first heartbreak in nearly a decade.. am confused, embarrassed, sad.

banjowall

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i began seeing someone romantically that i have known since i was a teenager. i overlooked a lot of red flags. both my live-in partner, my sister, and one of my other partners voiced concerns. i feel like i am broken for feeling so heartbroken despite these red flags and knowing deep down it was doomed from the beginning.

i am very close with my sister. he (M) is my brother-in-law’s best friend. we are close and grew up together. last summer while visiting them, M spoke up about being attracted to me. it turned into a magical night that makes me confused (i will talk more about that). he told me he loved me that night. the next few weeks, he said he wanted to marry me, didn’t want to have kids but could see himself having them with me. i told him that i don’t have a lot of time and was clear that i wouldn’t be abandoning my relationships, becoming mono, etc. i needed space/time away from that experience to come back down to earth and look at the situation. he also broke it off with his fiance. i thought time would be best for us both.

despite advice not to, i continued connecting with him (sent text/voice/video messages to each other multiple times a day). he made me feel so good. made me appreciate myself - told me how light and refreshed i make him feel. i felt like he appreciated every part of me. he had bought a house and made me key and explained i was always welcome and could have any space in his home. three months later, i decided to give it a try.

the first month or so into the relationship, i was in the clouds. his family was ecstatic that we “finally got together”. we leaned into some kinks we hadn’t discussed with anyone before (“daddy”, “baby/good girl” type stuff). he went down on me a lot, rubbed me, kissed me everywhere. i felt like i could disappear from everything in his arms. he felt like a safe space for me.

we got into heated discussions after he would become aloof. i once knew so all about his days - he text/video/voice chatted me so much. when i voiced concern over the distance, he explained he needed to see me more. i literally did not have enough days in the week. it became difficult to navigate. he began seeing his ex (everyone knew about the situation - she and i had also talked).

the warmth i felt faded unless we were physically together (about twice a week). we didn’t have to have sex when we were together. talking and laughing was as easy as it had always been when we were in person. then the sex definitely changed. there was much less focus on me. it became difficult for him to orgasm - it became centered around that.

red flags (i think) i ignored:
* the first time we had sex, he pressured me a lot. i told him it wasn’t a good idea, he was still with his fiance. i hate to say he “wore me down” because the night was magical, but he pushed for about an hour.
* the first time he stayed with his ex, he didn’t tell me though i was clear that it was fine - i just didn’t want to be surprised. he shared his location before we started seeing each other in person (i never asked for this and never shared my location with him), so that was the only way i knew. when i asked why he didn’t tell me he had stayed. he explained that he had been asleep and that i took the opportunity away from him.
* before we started seeing each other, he hooked up with his ex a lot. he said he would pretend like it was me to help him orgasm and pulled her hair. i asked for clarification (like… she wanted that, right?) but it felt weird.
* he said that i berated him and told him to “shut up”. i know that can’t be true. another time, he said i was being hostile (via messaging) when i wasn’t.
* when having a hard time orgasming, he became audibly/visibly frustrated, bit my arm, and said something like, ”i’m not gonna be able to cum if you don’t slow down, i keep telling you”. i like seeing bruises from sex but this felt different. when he said he didn’t remember biting me, i decided not to bring it up more.
* whenever i explained to him that the change in our communication bothered me, he would accuse me of trying to “change him”

our final conversation was about the last asterisk. i told him i needed a day to think and that i would contact him tuesday. he was surprised hearing from me, said he didn’t think i wanted to be with him anymore. i told him that i re-read our convo and didn’t see me express any indicatication of that. he said he “didn’t like that” regarding me re-read our conversation. i said i was touching base to see if he wanted to talk - like i said i would. he said his ex stayed the night (no big deal) because she had to do laundry (weird detail). he said he wasn’t happy and didn‘t like how i had been talking to him. he said we needed a break. i was expecting an apology - he had been so short and cold.

i hung up on him. i was shocked and upset. i keep thinking i shouldn’t have hung up on him. i’m surprised/sad that he hasn‘t tried to contact me after talking everyday since the summer.

is this normal to feel so connected to someone that you can logically see isn’t a good fit/possibly toxic? i wish this was a stranger or new person. not someone i will definitely be seeing again. not someone i already trusted.
 
Hello banjowall,

It sounds like you were heavily affected by NRE with M -- and then the NRE wore off, prompting M to worsen his behavior, and prompting you to see M's true colors. By no means is this unheard-of, NRE (and its disappearance) can have that effect on people. Don't beat yourself up about this, you haven't done anything wrong (made some mistakes, yeah, but everyone makes mistakes).

The best you can do now is to try to distance yourself from M, as much as reasonably possible under the circumstances. I know there are going to be times when you have to see him, if you find yourself face to face with him just be polite, and excuse yourself when you get the chance. This breakup is difficult and awkward. Hopefully others will post here, so that you get the help that you need.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Just from reading your post (and knowing nothing from his side), it sounds like M hunted you down, coerced you, love-bombed you then started gaslighting you, devaluing you and attempted to triangulate you with his ex-fiancee. These are some traits of a narcissist. It sounds like you are much better off without him.

Avoid him at all costs, even if he is in your circle of friends. If he is true to form, he will probably try to reel you back in, in a few weeks. That is part of their toxic game. Resist!

I'm sorry you feel broken. I understand. I went through something similar a couple of times. My narc and I dated for 2.5 years. After he devalued me, I broke up with him and took a 6 month break from dating. Then I knew the red flags to watch out for in the future.
 
I think it can be hard when you start dating someone you've known since you were young, and you find out that they are totally different than how you perceived them to be for so many years. It can feel bewildering and confusing.

But the truth is in every detail of your post.

both my live-in partner, my sister, and one of my other partners voiced concerns. i feel like i am broken for feeling so heartbroken despite these red flags and knowing deep down it was doomed from the beginning.

I get that you feel guilty and broken. That's okay. What if you think of those feeling as just FEELINGS--things that will pass? Not a deep truth that you are broken. Just a shitty feeling that will go away with time.

When someone experiences abuse, it is normal to feel like it was your fault and that you should have known better. Especially if you were warned and didn't heed the advice. But abusers wouldn't have anyone to abuse if they weren't good at getting people to override their own instincts and their own internal alarms at all the red flags.

i am very close with my sister. he (M) is my brother-in-law’s best friend. we are close and grew up together

When an abusive person is someone you have known and trusted a long time, it can be hard to grasp the reality of who they are in a dating context.

. last summer while visiting them, M spoke up about being attracted to me.

That sounds cute and I can relate to you being excited about this...

it turned into a magical night that makes me confused (i will talk more about that).

What you reveal about this later is exactly what I would have guessed.

he told me he loved me that night.

Too soon, not healthy! Normal people do not do this on the first night they get together with someone, even if they've known them for years. ESPECIALLY if they've known them for years and have family connections!

the next few weeks, he said he wanted to marry me, didn’t want to have kids but could see himself having them with me.

No. Way too soon. Healthy people do not do say this stuff so quickly.

i told him that i don’t have a lot of time and was clear that i wouldn’t be abandoning my relationships, becoming mono, etc.

That is a normal reaction on your part.

i needed space/time away from that experience to come back down to earth and look at the situation.

He actively did not want you to take time/space to think things over, right? Because then you would see how messed up the whole thing was.

he also broke it off with his fiance. i thought time would be best for us both.

I bet you must have felt guilty that he broke up with his fiance, and like he was pressuring you to get serious with him in her place. Again, I bet he did not want you to take time to think about things clearly. You sound mature and thoughtful.

despite advice not to, i continued connecting with him (sent text/voice/video messages to each other multiple times a day). he made me feel so good. made me appreciate myself - told me how light and refreshed i make him feel. i felt like he appreciated every part of me.

That's okay, don't beat yourself up about this.

he had bought a house and made me key and explained i was always welcome and could have any space in his home. three months later, i decided to give it a try.

Normal people do not make a key for someone who has not yet committed to a relationship with them. This feels manipulative of him. Sounds like a way to try to pressure someone who is (wisely) on the fence about them.

the first month or so into the relationship, i was in the clouds. his family was ecstatic that we “finally got together”.

I can see why this was fun for you. "Love-bombing" is certainly a tactic abusers use. The family pressure and feeling like it was "destiny" to get together with a childhood/teenage friend...I can see why that is both appealing, and a lot of pressure to override your inner sense that something was very wrong.

we leaned into some kinks we hadn’t discussed with anyone before (“daddy”, “baby/good girl” type stuff). he went down on me a lot, rubbed me, kissed me everywhere. i felt like i could disappear from everything in his arms. he felt like a safe space for me.

I can understand how wonderful it feels to have good sexual chemistry with someone and finally be exploring some kinks you haven't had a chance to explore yet. The daddy/little girl dynamic can cause some confusing feelings, I'm guessing (maybe it's embarrassing to explain this dynamic to other people after the relationship has gone very wrong and/or you feel like you did something wrong/should have known better). The power dynamic in that kind of kink can be very confusing when the daddy/dom turns out to be abusive. (To be clear, I am personally a big fan of consensual power exchange and I don't mean to sound like I am judging you; I am just trying to point out feelings you may be having).

Maybe just take from this the experience that you learned more about your kinks and in the future, you can seek out new/other partners for a similar kink dynamic if you want?

Maybe also, feeling like you could "disappear from everything in his arms" is actually not a health way to feel? Like, you shouldn't need to disappear. Like, that sounds like he had a lot of control over you (and some of it was fun but some of it wasn't).

The only other thing I would ask about is, is there a reason your other partners aren't doing some of this for you--going down on you a lot, making you feel like you are in a safe space? Maybe something to work on with them?

we got into heated discussions after he would become aloof. i once knew so all about his days - he text/video/voice chatted me so much. when i voiced concern over the distance, he explained he needed to see me more. i literally did not have enough days in the week. it became difficult to navigate. he began seeing his ex (everyone knew about the situation - she and i had also talked).

Love-bombing, followed by emotional withdrawal to make you hungry for his attention again. Abuse Tactics 101.

the warmth i felt faded unless we were physically together (about twice a week). we didn’t have to have sex when we were together. talking and laughing was as easy as it had always been when we were in person. then the sex definitely changed. there was much less focus on me. it became difficult for him to orgasm - it became centered around that.

That sounds annoying at best...

To be continued in my next post...
 
red flags (i think) i ignored:
* the first time we had sex, he pressured me a lot. i told him it wasn’t a good idea, he was still with his fiance. i hate to say he “wore me down” because the night was magical, but he pushed for about an hour.


Yeah, I thought you were going to say that. I enjoy a good seduction myself...but I don't like the sound of this guy, at best. At worst...ugh.

A normal person would be cool with you saying no / asking to take it slower. Especially since you'd known each other so long.

* the first time he stayed with his ex, he didn’t tell me though i was clear that it was fine - i just didn’t want to be surprised. he shared his location before we started seeing each other in person (i never asked for this and never shared my location with him), so that was the only way i knew. when i asked why he didn’t tell me he had stayed. he explained that he had been asleep and that i took the opportunity away from him.

Sharing his location BEFORE you were dating and when you didn't ask for that--again, too much too soon. Seems manipulative, like he was pretending to be all open so of course you'd be crazy if you didn't trust him.

Everyone is poly so he's allowed to see his ex...all he has to do is tell you...a pretty normal poly thing...but instead he deliberately made it extra confusing for you. And then blamed YOU for being upset. He fell asleep and YOU took the opportunity away from him, how exactly. LOL.

Cue the entrance of gaslighting: right on schedule for the Abuse Tactics 101 playbook.

* before we started seeing each other, he hooked up with his ex a lot. he said he would pretend like it was me to help him orgasm and pulled her hair. i asked for clarification (like… she wanted that, right?) but it felt weird.

NO. NOT GOOD. 100% manipulation on his part. Yeah right, he had to "pretend she was you." Gross. Also, no need to tell you he pulls her hair, unless he is pressuring you to let him pull YOUR hair. (I enjoy having my hair pulled; I assume my partner sometimes does this with his other partners...he does not tell me about it, since it is none of my business and there is NO REASON to tell me that).

I'm glad you are concerned about his ex/current partner and whether she was consenting to the hair-pulling. You sound very kind and thoughtful. But even if she is happy with the hair-pulling, SURELY she did not consent to him telling you about it? Nor to him needing to fantasize about you while being with her? He is gross!

* he said that i berated him and told him to “shut up”. i know that can’t be true. another time, he said i was being hostile (via messaging) when i wasn’t.

Aha! Gaslighting. Emotionally abusive behavior. I had a relationship with someone who did this...accusing me of being hostile to them, accusing me of accusing them of things I never said...it is gaslighting. It is confusing. I spent hours reviewing our conversations feeling like I was crazy.

* when having a hard time orgasming, he became audibly/visibly frustrated, bit my arm, and said something like, ”i’m not gonna be able to cum if you don’t slow down, i keep telling you”. i like seeing bruises from sex but this felt different. when he said he didn’t remember biting me, i decided not to bring it up more.

I do not like this guy. I also like sex bruises and I don't mind some consensual biting...I do NOT like this guy.

He "doesn't remember" non-consensually biting you. Yeah sure. You decided not to bring it up anymore--bingo! His goal was to gaslight you into silence.

* whenever i explained to him that the change in our communication bothered me, he would accuse me of trying to “change him”

Hello abusive dude, I remember you from my own experiences.

our final conversation was about the last asterisk. i told him i needed a day to think and that i would contact him tuesday. he was surprised hearing from me, said he didn’t think i wanted to be with him anymore. i told him that i re-read our convo and didn’t see me express any indicatication of that. he said he “didn’t like that” regarding me re-read our conversation. i said i was touching base to see if he wanted to talk - like i said i would. he said his ex stayed the night (no big deal) because she had to do laundry (weird detail). he said he wasn’t happy and didn‘t like how i had been talking to him. he said we needed a break. i was expecting an apology - he had been so short and cold.

He is manipulative times 10. YOU had the power (healthy! good for you!) when you told him you'd think things over and get back to him on YOUR time. He desperately needed to reverse it so HE has the power--so he tells you he is "surprised hearing from you," poor sad man he thought you'd dumped him please feel sorry for him. You reread the convo and told him you never said that. He "didn't like that," i.e., he didn't like that you reread the actual proof and refuse to be gaslit.

He continues trying these manipulative power plays to get you confused, to put the control in his hands. "Coincidentally" mentions that his ex came over (no big deal you're all poly), included the detail "to do laundry" because he is trying to make you feel jealous and confused. Remember, he uses his ex as a tactic to control you--he wants YOU not her (he says). He wants you to feel all mad that his ex came over "to do laundry."

Then he flips things, accuses YOU of talking to him meanly and then breaks up with YOU--the only thing he could do to maintain control.

He wants you to beg for him to take you back.

i hung up on him. i was shocked and upset. i keep thinking i shouldn’t have hung up on him. i’m surprised/sad that he hasn‘t tried to contact me after talking everyday since the summer.

GOOD FOR YOU. You are awesome.

Block him everywhere and go on about your life. You sound thoughtful and emotionally healthy (despite your experiences with this guy). He is not emotionally healthy IN THE SLIGHTEST.

is this normal to feel so connected to someone that you can logically see isn’t a good fit/possibly toxic? i wish this was a stranger or new person. not someone i will definitely be seeing again. not someone i already trusted.

Well if you can avoid seeing him in your social/family circle, that would be awesome. Otherwise...please review what you yourself wrote and maybe lean towards understanding what happened in stronger terms than "wasn't a good fit/possibly toxic."

You didn't do anything wrong.
 
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