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yogiskeleton

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I'm 31F and fairly new to polyamory and have been finding that my situation is somewhat unique as a newbie than others due to the fact that my boyfriend and I entered in to our relationship together as two relatively single people who have polyamorous intentions. I say this is unique because the types of posts that I've seen here and around the internet regarding those who are new to poly seem to be from people who have been in monogamous relationships and have come together to explore new ways of love and relationships. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm having trouble finding others with my same perspective.

When John and I started dating in March we started off with a very strong connection however agreeing that we wanted to keep things casual as neither of us wanted to feel "trapped" in a monogamous relationship which was something we both had experienced in the past. We have had a lot of great conversations about how we look at life that have helped us to grow closer together as we both keep learning about how similar we are and how well we really mesh together on many different levels. It's been a wonderful 8.5 months.

In early October we sat down and had another conversation about us and shared that we love each other and had a beautiful night together. Polyamory was briefly mentioned but not exactly expanded on. A few days later I brought it up and we talked a little bit but we haven't really talked much about it since.

We have great, open, and healthy communication and I'm well aware that above anyone else in the world he is the most important person for me to be talking to about my feelings about everything, but I'm human and my anxiety makes it hard sometimes.

He's told me that he loves two people, me and his ex with whom he is still incredibly close with. To be fully transparent I don't actually know the full "extent" of their relationship at this moment. I did ask him during that second time bringing up poly if he would be willing to have our relationship be one where we share a little bit of information about people we are involved with outside of us, and he seemed really hesitant. I haven't brought it up again. I know that I should because it's been bothering me over the past few weeks. It's also important to note that he does talk to other girls and has gone on dates, but I know literally nothing about those events.

To go back to the beginning of this post, I'm struggling to find resources and help and advice on how to navigate my relationship with him and how to focus my life and work through my emotions. I'm finding it so complicated to try and describe coherently which is why I have been struggling with talking to him about it. Sometimes the closest way I can describe what I'm feeling is an insecurity or jealousy but it doesn't really make sense in my head because I shouldn't feel those ways because I'm also on dating sites and talk to men and women and have been getting myself to the point where I am setting up dates with others.

There just seems to be so much information and assistance for people who have transitioned from monogamous relationships to poly in some form or another but nothing for someone like me. I keep reading things about people who were first established as a couple that expanded into a V or a triad, etc. I've read things about people who become a third in a couple. I've read accounts of people who are solo-poly who don't want any defined sort of relationship. I keep finding myself feeling uncomfortable and it is absolutely not because I'm trying to do something that I don't actually want to do. It's more that I just don't know what I'm doing.

Thank you for reading.

yogiskeleton
 
Greetings yogiskeleton,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

Jealousy and insecurity are not always logical. Sometimes they just happen, or the reason is an emotional/subconscious one. Here are some links that may help:

What's at the root of your insecurity or jealousy? Is there a buried fear in there somewhere? fear of abandonment? something else? What kind of experiences have you had in your past that might feed into these uneasy feelings now?

Hopefully we can help.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

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Hi Kevin,

Thank you for your reply and for the links with helpful information.

I do have a fear of abandonment that stems from previous romantic and platonic relationships in which I was deemed to be too much to handle due to my mental health. I have bipolar II disorder so I often struggle with feelings of depression and anxiety. I do have a great support system in place with my therapist and psychiatrist and friends, but it's happened many times in the past that once I've gotten close and comfortable with someone new I've been insulted and abandoned. It's hard because with John I'm able to be comfortably raw so in a practical sense this fear of him turning out that way is ridiculous. He is kind and caring and respectful, he actively listens when I need an ear, and he makes an effort to help me work through things rather than just dismissing me and telling me that I should go talk to my therapist about it all instead of him.

I think a lot of my uneasiness comes from his involvement with his ex and I want to ask him more questions about it but I'm afraid of causing a disruption in our relationship. He told me once that he loves her but doesn't want to date her, and I don't want to press for him information in a way that makes him feel uncomfortable or anything like that. I think I have this sort of assumption that because he's known her for much much longer than he has known me that that means that she is more important to him than I am even though I have a solid knowledge and understanding that I am unique and special and important to him simply because I am Me.
 
I have always ID's as poly (never mono) and my now-husband knew that from the time we first got together (27 years ago) you can read about my(our) blunders in my Journey blog here.

Each relationship has its own learning curve. When I got together with Dude, he obviously knew that I was married and I "knew" that he would be dating others but we still had to learn how to be poly together in our own relationship. (More details in my Notebook blog here.)

There is no blueprint.
We all seem to make it up as we go along.
That is OK.
 
Hi Jane,

Thanks for the reply.

When your poly journey first started did you have anxiety? If so, how did you overcome it? I'm struggling with it, and again it's not because I don't want this kind of life. I think it has to do with feeling vulnerable with my love for John. I'm trying to break down my walls and my fears but they keep shooting up and locking me in.

I want transparency and information sharing with John and I feel scared to ask for that information. Any tips on how to break through this?
 
I'm 31F and fairly new to polyamory and have been finding that my situation is somewhat unique ... I keep finding myself feeling uncomfortable and it is absolutely not because I'm trying to do something that I don't actually want to do. It's more that I just don't know what I'm doing.

Don't feel bad. I see it all the time. Check the link in my signature line.
 
I'm struggling with [anxiety], and it's not because I don't want this kind of life. I think it has to do with feeling vulnerable with my love for John. I'm trying to break down my walls and my fears, but they keep shooting up and locking me in.

I want transparency and information sharing with John and I feel scared to ask for that information. Any tips on how to break through this?

It's going to be different for people who struggle with anxiety.

Polyamory can only work with open and honest communication. Even if you didn't have a feeling of competition, I think it's only natural to want to know more about John's interactions with his ex, if only because you are want to get to know him more, his tastes, his interests, his friends. You love each other? Get to know each other better, so your love can grow and become more solid.

You could tell him you're just curious about his ex, how often he sees her, what they typically do together. Just as you'd be interested in any platonic friends of his, with whom he has history, so you are interested in her.

I can understand the feeling of being afraid to "ask too much" seeming like possibly prying and being off-putting, but you aren't in a casual relationship. Even though you're poly, once you exchange "I love yous," you're going to be on a different level.

This guy I used to date, and am now friends with, recently told me he and his wife never exchanged more than a passing sentence about exes of theirs. He never told her he dated me for 2 1/2 years, just before they met and went monogamous. I think that is really really weird. Both my ex husband and I, and my current long term partner and I have told each other all kinds of things about our exes.

This guy is struggling now with emotional and sexual intimacy with his wife. And no wonder, I think! They aren't deeply connected, their NRE has faded, there's nothing deep being shared, so things are fizzling in the bedroom too.
 
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Hi yogi S,

Maybe you could say to John, something like, "Honey, I would like us to share things with each other about the people we are seeing outside of us. Is that something we could consider? If we could do that, I think it might help me feel less anxious and afraid. I know you aren't going to leave me, but I have irrational fears about that due to how things have gone for me with other partners in the past. Could we talk about that? I think it would help me if you could tell me a little more about your ex." This way he won't feel like you are pushing, or interrogating. You could also tell him that you feel insecure about his ex because you know that he has known her a lot longer.

Just some thoughts,
Kevin T.
 
Maybe you could say to John, something like, "Honey, I would like us to share things with each other about the people we are seeing outside of us. Is that something we could consider? If we could do that, I think it might help me feel less anxious and afraid. I know you aren't going to leave me, but I have irrational fears about that due to how things have gone for me with other partners in the past. Could we talk about that? I think it would help me if you could tell me a little more about your ex."

That is wonderful and I'm going to say almost exactly that when we have our date tomorrow. Thank you! Those are the words I've been struggling to find.
 
I can understand the feeling of being afraid to "ask too much" seeming like possibly prying and being off-putting, but you aren't in a casual relationship. Even though you're poly, once you exchange "I love yous," you're going to be on a different level.

You're absolutely right, it's not a casual relationship. It's a healthy, loving bond that we share. It's the healthiest relationship I've had in a really really long time and so because of that, and because of how this is a new journey for me, I'm scared of screwing it up. I have to remember that this is new for him too in a way. With his ex, they had had a sort of an open relationship that ended up not working out. I think it was more of an issue on her part, but I've just realized that I don't know those details either. I plan on having that be part of the conversation as well.
 
You're absolutely right, it's not a casual relationship. It's a healthy, loving bond that we share. It's the healthiest relationship I've had in a really really long time and so because of that, and because of how this is a new journey for me, I'm scared of screwing it up. I have to remember that this is new for him too in a way. With his ex, they had had a sort of an open relationship that ended up not working out. I think it was more of an issue on her part, but I've just realized that I don't know those details either. I plan on having that be part of the conversation as well.

This is all very good. I don't have much to add, but I wanted to jump in and reinforce the importance of communication, especially when anxiety and other mental health concerns are present. Myself and my last two partners all had mental health concerns and huge problems with communication, which was one contributing factor in why I am currently partner-less. I need good communication (and reassurances) to feel comfortable too. Hope the conversation goes well.
 
Re (from yogiskeleton):
"That is wonderful and I'm going to say almost exactly that when we have our date tomorrow. Thank you! Those are the words I've been struggling to find."

Glad I could be of help. Let us know how he responds (if you're willing).
 
Well my dear friends I chickened out and didn't share my thoughts. I wanted to, clearly I did, but we had limited time together due to us both having to work this morning and there were other things to talk about and focus on since John is having a lot of stress at work. I didn't want to add to it.

Plus I often find myself conflicted in things, and maybe some of you can understand this. I have all these thoughts, all the things I've outlined, but then he will say things and they disappear and my intrusive overbearing anxious thoughts fade into the background. While we have been seeing each other since March, it's only within the past month that I've actually been sleeping over with him instead of staying late and driving home even when we both have the next day off. It's gotten pretty consistent which we both have been enjoying on the weekends. John's recently started a new assignment at work that requires him to drive to different offices around the state throughout the month, occassionally far enough that he will stay in a hotel for a couple of nights. At one point last night he asked me about the possibility of in the future me taking a couple of week days off to go with him, saying "I was telling Bob about my weekend and mentioned that my girl stayed over and how nice it was, and Bob told me that you should come with me on one of my trips sometime because the company doesnt have any rules against that and will even encourage it sometimes." And I'll tell ya folks, knowing that he talks about me at work, calling me his girl and saying things that like about us, well it just made me feel so warm and loved and happy. It made the other things feel small for a bit even though they are still there and I know I need to share them with him to continue to foster our healthy communication and more importantly to not let them fester inside of me. I'll speak those truths to him soon, maybe Friday afternoon while I help him prepare for the "Friendsgiving" he is hosting for our group of friends. It will be a good light hearted time I think maybe. What do you all think?
 
Sure, Friday afternoon would be a good time. I think you'll know when it's the right time to tell him, like it'll be on your mind and it'll just come up in the conversation. Don't sweat the details.
 
I talked to John last night about the things that have been on my mind. He was open and receptive to the conversation which I am very thankful for. I let him know about some of my struggles, how my anxiety has been affected and what I've been feeling. I asked to have things more on the table to help me feel more comfortable and he agreed to try and be more forthcoming with sharing information such as saying "I'm going on a date with x" rather than saying he is going to spend time with a friend. I also asked him to tell me how many other people he is sleeping with, saying that I felt that was a fair request for me to make because it's good information to have especially with regards to safety. He sleeps with Jess (his "ex," who has been practicing poly longer than he has) as well as some friends that he hooks up with just for sex, and that the romantic connections he has are just with me and Jess but that he views our relationship as "basically a primary one." I told him that I consider our relationship to be primary and that I can admit that my struggles with actually scheduling dates/hook ups with other people come from my slight discomfort of this being a new situation for me and that I will gain a lot of comfort and security with sharing information. I told him that I've been just kind of acting on the assumption that he sleeps with Jess and other people but my anxiety has been stemming from that not really being stated facts. He understands that, and also understands the sort of heaviness I've been feeling and struggling to process because he felt that too when he first started practicing poly.

I feel so vulnerable in stating my needs, but I suppose that's more of a general relationship roadblock that I need to work and grow through. I was trembling with anxiety before I started talking out loud, spent more than five minutes giving myself a pep talk in my head. "You can do this yogiskeleton, just say 'can I ask your advice about something,' 'I need help with something I'm struggling with." We're going to keep talking about it all. I might go see him later this afternoon when he finishes up with the work he needs to do from home if the weather holds off and doesn't get too nasty as we're in Connecticut and who knows what this storm will bring.

For those of you that also struggle with anxiety issues, are there any key sort of phrases that you use to help open up a conversation when you have things to need to talk about?
 
Hi yogi S,

A lot of times it helps to arrange the right environment in which to have a conversation. Like, don't do it when either of you are tired or hangry (hungry or angry), also don't do it when there are distractions (such as things you need to do). Also it can help to decide ahead of time how long your conversation will last, put a limit on it and continue later if you reach that limit, also it can help to take turns talking and decide how long each turn will last (say five minutes). Some people recommend using a "talking stick." When you're holding the stick, you have the floor and can say whatever you need to, the other person will not interrupt and will not start talking until you hand them the stick. You don't always need to do all of these things, but these are some ideas.

It sounds like you and John had a really good initial conversation, that is good to hear. Hopefully you'll continue to have good conversations, sometimes it helps to schedule exactly when any one conversation will occur. Another thing you can do is, email each other with the things you want to talk about, and, type up a list to refer to when you have your scheduled conversation. Just some more ideas. I think you are doing a really good job so far.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks Kevin.

I am waiting to hear back from him about seeing each other either Tuesday or Wednesday. He said he's willing to talk about everything which is good. I'm also working on journaling so get some things written down with clarity so I'm not just emotionally exploding with no plan of where to go.
 
Journaling is good, you can get a lot from journaling which will help you to discover what you need to talk about, and how you need to talk about it. I am hopeful that you and John will be able to work this out.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
I'm hopeful too, extremely so. I don't really have any fears of it not going well in any sense, other than a panic attack rendering me mute. I've also been talking with my best friend about it today which has been helpful
 
Hang in there, you'll do okay. Sometimes the fears that we have make things more difficult, but John seems to be willing to take your fears into account, and he will help you.
 
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