I am heartbroken, I really need you nice people's advice, please.

Victoria

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Hello,

My situation is pretty complicated. I will do my best, because I am in desperately need of advice. You may need popcorn too.

BACKGROUND: After 15 years of monogamous marriage, I decided to give my husband a hall pass. This is why: He has cheated in two previous marriages. Since the beginning of our relationship, we talked openly about his internal struggle with feeling he was non-monogamous by nature. It has been a fantasy of his to have more than one woman (like sister wives) but he never acted on it while married with me.

ABOUT ME: 25 years ago or so, I had a relationship with a woman that lasted 6 months. That has been my only experience. It was good, so I guess I am bi-curious.

4 MONTHS AGO: The hall pass was given. (He did not honor my request to have it with someone from out of town.) He got involved with someone from the place he volunteers once a week. He said he was going to visit his brother out of town, when in reality, they have a 5 days’ vacation planned. When I found out, he reminded me he had a hall pass and I honored the fact that I did gave it. Later I agreed to meet his "friend" and found out she was a nice person. She explained to me that her husband and she had been involved in having threesomes before. She liked me a lot and expressed to my husband she wanted to be with me, too. Physically she is not my cup of tea at all, but wanting to give my husband the fantasy of a threesome, I accepted the experience. Although it was fun and overall good, I never really got any further than feeling I was taking one for the team.

Soon afterwards, they both confessed to me they had fallen in love since their vacation and wanted to extend their relationship to having a threesome now and then, and time for them two alone. I started to struggle accepting this. I started to feel pain and hurt about them both feeling this way and I started feeling bad about myself (self-esteem, self-worth). I communicate with both my feelings of hurt, knowing they were in love. I gave him the hall pass as an act of love; this evolved into having a friend with benefits with the threesome. Falling in love was never part of any agreement. I also noticed they both have been developing a stronger connection with daily phone calls that were sexual in nature (she likes to masturbate for him). I express my discontent with it and ask them both to please not see each other alone. I expressed that I may consider working on myself and my pain to accept their relationship, but I needed time to adjust too many feelings.

Her husband got terribly upset because he wanted to see my husband and her having sex. He has a voyeurism kink. Something my husband will never say yes to. Then we (my husband and I) found out she was recruiting for her and her husband's kink when she met my husband and flirted hard, offering him an escapade to cash his hall pass. In talking to my husband and her, we found out that with this experience they were both polyamorous, they can love more than one person at a time. I wish his "feeling in love" was just infatuation, I do not know. They are both married and neither wants to get divorce and get together.

My husband says that he loves me, and doesn't want to lose me, but his feelings and attraction for her are very strong. Then I found out they got together behind my back. They both swear it was not sexual, just missing each other’s company. The feeling of betrayal, backstabbing, lying, cheating, and excruciating pain created a big drama between the four of us for a while.

I do not know if I should divorce my husband, even though I love him with all my heart. I am thinking about divorce daily now and have started to feel resentment and at times hate for them both.

There is also this particularly important piece of information. My husband and she do not want me or her husband to have any other partners. They want to be the only ones with two partners. She told her husband that if he seeks another woman to have a secondary, she will divorce him. My husband said, he cannot even think about me having a relationship with any other man. That is a hard no! He recognizes the hypocrisy of his position, but he said can’t help it.

RECENTLY: we went to a bar and a guy started flirting with me from afar. My husband got so upset he wanted to go punch that guy for looking at me.

CURRENTLY: 5 weeks ago, my husband let go his relationship with this woman at my request (but I do not know for sure). There is no trust left in me. We agreed to try to mend our relationship. I agreed to consider in the future, when we are back to a better place, having another threesome but NEVER again with her. It has only been 5 weeks, and he asks if I would consider bringing her back into our lives, because that dynamic made him very happy, and he loved me more for being willing to do it. I said to him that every time he mentions that he still loving her is very painful and I feel deeply hurt by the notion HE loves another woman.

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. You that are polyamorous please help me. HOW do I get over him loving another and accept it without so much pain? It is breaking me. I am on anti-anxiety and antidepressants now. I feel I have no self-love, and I should just divorce him, although I love him much. He has been my only love for 15 years.
 
Please ask him to come to one of these forums and seek advice on being able to have a mutually open polyamorous relationship. There is no obligation on you to do any work until he starts that. Any sexual or romantic interactions he has with others until he does that could be counted as plain infidelity by you, if you choose to.

As different as we are here, I don't think any of us would agree that as our best selves, we cheat to meet our "polyamorous needs" while in a monogamous relationship, and also unwilling to consider our partners seeing other people.
 
Dump him. Seriously. Imagine: No more doing things you don't want to be doing. No more having sex with people you don't want. No more being lied to. And no being told YOU cannot have what HE has.

He's been oscillating between half-truths, lies of omission, and outright lies. Pick up your self-worth, LEAVE, then go experiment with women or experiment with having a partner who actually treats you as an equal.

Trust me, two years from now you'll wonder what spell he had you under that caused you to think any of this was "love."
 
After 15 years of monogamous marriage, I decided to give my husband a hall pass. This is why: He has cheated in two previous marriages. Since the beginning of our relationship, we talked openly about his internal struggle with feeling he was non-monogamous by nature. It has been a fantasy of his to have more than one woman (like sister wives) but he never acted on it while married with me.

I don't get it. You gave him a hall pass to prevent him from cheating? What stops him from cheating on his non-monogamous agreements with you?

Physically she is not my cup of tea at all, but wanting to give my husband the fantasy of a threesome...

You are not obliged to give people their sexual fantasies. I suggest you stop doing that kind of thing.

I gave him the hall pass as an act of love.

I could be wrong, but you seem to think that "love is sacrifice," and here you are sacrificing lots to prove you are lovable and worthy.

Really? Love is simply shared. You don't have to go around "proving it" by giving hall passes, doing threesomes you don't really want as a a "gift" and all this other wonky stuff.

I am thinking about divorce daily now and have started to feel resentment and at times hate for them both.

It sounds like you want out. It's okay to divorce if you want a divorce.

There is also this particularly important piece of information. My husband and she do not want me or her husband to have any other partners. They want to be the only ones with two partners.

It doesn't really matter what she and her husband want. They are not in charge of YOU. You are.

And if you divorce, it still doesn't matter what they want, because you aren't his spouse anymore.

He recognizes the hypocrisy of his position, but he said can’t help it.

Well, YOU can help it. You can decide if you want to be here or not. Your consent to participate in things or not belongs to YOU. So if this feels yucky, you get yourself out of there.

You have to be able to say, "I love you a lot, but NO, not even for you will I do things I don't really want or stay in stuff that hurts me. I need to look out for my own well-being."

It's pretty fresh that he expects you to do all the work and adjustments of dealing in poly so he can poly-date her, but he's not willing to put the same labor in so you can date on your side. He wants a one-sided thing, where he gets most of the receiving.

That might be a great deal for him, but I don't see why that would be a great deal for YOU.

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. You that are polyamorous, please help me. HOW do I get over him loving another and accept it without so much pain? It is breaking me. I am on anti-anxiety and antidepressants now.

You have to take medicines to survive or endure being in this relationship? Wouldn't you rather be at peace? Divorce and walk away. Then you don't have to deal in all this pain or all this stress anymore. And later, if you decide to date, be with someone more compatible.

I feel I have no self-love, and I should just divorce him although I love him much. He has been my only love for 15 years.

So divorce him. Heal from this experience. And if you prefer monogamy, STICK WITH IT. There's nothing wrong with wanting that.

It doesn't matter if relationship models are monogamous, poly, kinky, swinging, or whatever. They have to be HEALTHY relationships. And you do not have health here.


In case it helps you:


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Greetings Victoria,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

I am inclined to tell you to divorce your husband. He is acting very hypocritical, he does not want you to have a relationship with any other man. He says he can't help it and maybe it just means that you and he are not compatible, but to me he is just making excuses. He is just looking out for his own selfish interest. He does not want you to do the same.

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The hall pass was given
Usually a hall pass is a one time hookup.

He did not honor my request to have it with someone from out of town.
He said he was going to visit his brother out of town, when in reality, they have a 5 days’ vacation planned
Soon afterwards, they both confessed to me they had fallen in love
Falling in love was never part of any agreement.
Then I found out they got together behind my back.
5 weeks ago, my husband let go his relationship with this woman at my request
It has only been 5 weeks, and he asks if I would consider bringing her back into our lives,
All of this proves your relationship is built on lies. Without trust you don't have a relationship. Love is not enough. He has shown you who he is and how he is going to treat you. Believe him!

There's so much more wrong with your story but the rest is irrelevant when it comes down to it... the things above are what you should be focused on.

Why would you want to be with someone who claims to love you, but violates your trust repeatedly without giving it a second thought? Trust is the bottom rung of must-haves in a relationship, and he can't meet that incredibly low bar.

Please rescue your self esteem, leave and go find someone who actually wants the same things you do.
 
You are beautiful and worthy of love. The fact that a guy flirted with you is also proof that you are desirable. Your husband sounds quite narcissistic and I wouldn’t be able to handle that. You aren’t in a poly relationship because you’re not getting any reciprocation. Personally I feel that you are in a broken marriage and it is not your sole responsibility to fix it. If he can’t meet you halfway then you have to do what is best for you. Best of luck, sending you love and positive vibes
 
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