Hi KC43,
One thing that comes to mind is that a good sex therapist (not just a regular therapist) could probably help you. You could even invite Hubby and/or S2 to go to sex therapy sessions with you.
Here's a Ted talk that might give you some inspiration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kMyyRBZkqVU ... River mentioned it in
Sexual Shame - History & Consequences.
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OP):
"Doing anything sexual to a partner that hasn't been done previously requires consent. If I don't say it, he can't say it's okay to try it."
Maybe some things could be done cautiously? or a little at a time? so as to give the other person a chance to say, "Sorry, I'm not comfortable doing that."
I've never personally been bold enough to say, "I'd like to have sex right now, is that okay?" I just try to cautiously initiate, and resolve to cancel if the other person resists. Of course, I'm also pretty boring in the bedroom and don't try to mix it up.
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"Am I the only one who finds it difficult to talk about sex with sexual partners?"
No, it's difficult for me too. Although, not nearly as difficult when sex isn't actually happening (at that moment).
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"How do you bring up sex-related stuff to your partners?"
I just, bring it up out of the blue. "So, I was wondering about ..." It seems to be easiest (for some reason) when she and I are driving somewhere in the car.
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"How do you make suggestions about things you'd like to try when you aren't sure how your partner will react?"
"So, I was wondering if we could try ..." Something like that. Since I seldom feel the urge to try something new, I don't have a lot of practice at bringing it up.
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"Is there any hope here, or should I just resign myself to paint-by-numbers sex with my guys for the duration?"
Can you bring up little things at first? Minor things? Things that don't raise your discomfort levels too high to talk about them? Maybe in that way you could get practice, and gradually work up to heavier things ...
I'm thinking one thing you'd like is for the guys (Hubby and S2) to initiate more on their own. Perhaps you could piece together a compromise? Sometimes you initiate sex and/or something new, sometimes they initiate sex and/or something new.
Could the same thing apply to talking about sex? Sometimes you start the conversation, sometimes they start the conversation? 50/50?
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KC43):
"I don't always have anything particular in mind, because I don't always know what even exists as possibilities. I just know I don't want the same thing every single blasted time."
One word ... FetLife.
Re (from
KC43):
"The last [counselor] heard me say 'Talking about sex with my partners is scary, and difficult almost to the point of being impossible,' more than once; repeated it to show she'd heard me; and then said, 'Well, just talk to them about it.'"
Hmmm. That's not a very good counselor.
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KC43):
"So which is it? Is it hot and sexy when a woman is assertive sexually and verbalizes or shows through action what revs her engine in bed? or is it a bad thing because it makes her male partner feel like less of a man when the woman takes charge?"
I think that would depend on the man. Personally I'm not a big fan of assertiveness in bed, from either partner. I like gentle sex. Some assertiveness, okay. But not to the point of taking over.
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"Should I believe S2 and Hubby when they say they want me to be more assertive, or should I stick with the status quo because that way I won't turn them off or get negative comments from them?"
I think you should write that down or print it off, and read/deliver it to Hubby and S2. They should know about it if they're sending you mixed messages. And even if they're not, I think they should be aware that it's a fear you have.
I know I'm very late showing up on this thread and a lot of this ground has already been covered. I just thought a slightly different angle of view might help. Sorry to hear about S2 downgrading the relationship.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.