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AylaA

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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum. This is my first post, so bear with me.

Short history of my dating life so far.
Had my first boyfriend at age 16, and I was in a very traditional, monogamous relationship with him for 5 years. I had no idea anything other than this was possible, or hadn't given it much thought. We were both virgins when we met, so obviously the sex wasn't great to begin with. However, I grew, matured and learned and wanted to explore new things. He didn't. Eventually we broke up (for unrelated reasons), and I spent 9 months being single. I was getting over the break-up and uninterested in dating at that time.

Fast forwards, 9 months later. I met a new guy, my current boyfriend. He was the one who first introduced me to the concept that there might be more than monogamy out there. At that time I just wasn't ready for something like that. I had only ever been with 1 guy before him, and my self esteem was too low to be able to handle competing with other women for his affection (how it felt at the time). But I was intruiged, and fascinated by this new way of thinking. We (i.e. he) dated others for the first year and a half of our relationship, but I eventually made it clear that I needed monogamy for the time being. However, I knew that eventually there would probably come a time when I'd like to explore my sexuality, and I was happy to know that if that time came, i'd be with a guy who'd be open for that, and would give me the freedom to explore. After all, I let him do his thing for 18 months without restrictions. I handled the jealousy and insecurity on my own and didn't burden him with it.

Right now we've been together for 6 years. We own a house together and plan on having a family one day. I'm 28, he's 29. Throughout the relationship he put the open relationship back on the table multiple times, saying he'd love for me to reconsider. I always promised him that if one day I felt secure and confident enough, and I felt that our relationship was strong enough, I'd gladly allow him to date others again. And about 6 months ago, I felt as if I was ready. Mostly because we as a couple were getting stuck in a rut, hardly having sex anymore. For the first time, I realised that having an open relationship could benefit me as well. It wasn't just about him having his freedom, I could date as well, explore new things, experience new people.

I told my boyfriend about how I was feeling and said I was on board. I thought this would be something that brought us closer together. I pictured us having new relationships, bringing people home, being one big happy family. Suddenly however, everything seemed to change. He became cold, distant and cynical towards me. Whenever I go out on a date, he gives me the cold shoulder for hours or sometimes days after. He's incredibly hypocritical about all of it. He insists on reading my text messages to other men, but won't allow me near his own phone. When he reads the messages (I don't allow this anymore now, but at the start I did), he gets angry at the things I write and gives me a bunch of rules on what I'm allowed to talk about. He finds silly excuses to be angry at me (like wearing a pair of earrings he gave me to a date, or wearing his favourite dress with someone else). He wouldn't let me have anyone over at our house, which I thought was fair until he insisted on having his dates over and even telling me to make sure I'm gone so he has the place to himself. He called me a slut several times. He's big on communication and transparancy from my side, letting him know where I am and what I'm doing, with who, when I'm coming home. But he sometimes spends the night away without getting in touch at all.

About a month ago, we had a big fight, almost broke up (my initiative), and I told him that the only condition for getting back on track is that the drama needs to end. At this point, I've re-discovered myself and my sexuality. My confidence is through the roof and I've met some amazing people, who I'm not willing to cut out of my life and return to monogamy.
He agreed and talked openly for the first time about his own insecurities. I thought we were back on track, because the past month has been amazing. It was finally going the way I pictured it. We were telling each other about the people we're seeing, and I mentioned several times that I'd love to get to know his other girl and see if we can be friends. His jealousy dimmed down a lot and there hasn't been much drama.
Until last night...

2 things happened.
1. The girl he's been seeing apparently doesn't know he has a girlfriend. She thinks we broke up but are still living together because of the house we bought. He wants to pursue this thing with her, but he doesn't know how to recover from this lie. It made me question a lot of things about his committment to our relationship. He must have known she'd find out eventually, unless he doesn't actually see us staying together in the long run anyway.
2. I spent last night with a guy I've been seeing for a while. My boyfriend hasn't met him and has no desire to, but last night when he dropped me off at home, my boyfriend looked out the window to get a glimpse of him. As soon as I came through the door, I could sense his bad mood. He was ice cold again. He started commenting on the other guy's appearance, said that he couldn't believe I was sleeping with someone who was that much uglier than him, and that the fact I would settle for someone that unattractive made him feel repulsed by me. Then he proceeded to tell me he's falling in love with that other girl and wants her to become his main girl. I went to bed, blocking the conversation because there's no way to talk to someone when they are acting like this. He sent me a text a few minutes later, breaking up with me. I went over to him to talk about things, find out if he was serious. He said he was, that he was over me, had no feelings left for me at all. I went back to bed, where I broke down in tears. He followed me, and suddenly claimed that he didn't want to break up at all. He was just testing me to know if I still cared about him.

So here I am. Loving my new life, enjoying the opportunities that arise. But every time I let my guard down for a moment, he seems to want to drag me down.
I'd prefer to continue this relationship, because I love him very much. Any advice on how to talk to him about this and handle his behaviour would be much appreciated. But any insight on the long term potential is also welcome.
 
I don't know if the relationship can be salvaged. Your boyfriend is lashing out in an inappropriate and abusive manner. My suggestion would be individual counseling for both of you.
 
This sounds really terrible. Hypocrisy abounds from your bf.

Polyamory isn't a great band-aid, however, for a relationship that has cooled sexually. You say you and bf were no longer having sex. So you thought you'd get yourself some sex with others. And so would he. But now there is a huge chasm between you.

It is true that is it more fun, or just easier, to be poly if your nesting partner isn't seeing others. Your bf seems to think he should get all the fun of seeing others while you sit at home. But he's out of luck. You want to date too, you are enjoying it.

He insists on reading your texts to others, but you can't look at his phone.
He thinks your OSO is too ugly for you to date, and criticises your taste.
He tells you what you can and can't say to an OSO. What you can and can't wear on a date.
He tells you you have to tell him where you're going and when you'll be home, but he stays out all night without telling you where he is or when he will be home.
He calls you a slut, but his behavior (non-mono) is not slut-like, in his eyes.
You can't have OSOs over, but he can! And you better get out of the house to give them privacy!

Basically, he's acting like a disrespectful asshat. If I were in your shoes, I'd be falling out of love with a man who is such a fucking disrespectful hypocrite.

It's odd you made him wait so long to open the relationship, and now that it is finally open, he is handling it so badly.

You need to put your foot down. You decide what kind of behaviors you require from him to make this thing feel balanced, fair, respectful, adult. He's acting like a spoiled little brat.

If he can't or won't comply, then you decide if you need therapy, individual or couple, or need to call it a day and split.
 
Welcome!

Hi Ayla:
Get rid of the picture you had in mind! It's truly part of Monoromantacism to me, just my opinion of course.

Your bf sounds a bit young... As Maggy shared above
He needs to grow up through counseling or lots of reading about ethical p.
State your needs, Lady, and go from there. But if you do love him enough to raise your SO through this Polylearning... Take your time and remember to relax and reset often. Or tough love.. Let him go and see what comes back!
Nice to meet you by the way
 
Your partner's behaviour is the epitome of hypocrisy and in many ways, downright verbally and emotionally abusive (he calls you a slut, dumps you then says it was just a "test" of your feelings for him?)

What it sounds like is this:

Your bf wanted "poly" or non-monogamy - as long as it only applied to HIM.

Once you finally agreed and began to date, he found he couldn't handle the shoe being on the other foot. He does sound like a jealous, emotionally manipulative and unstable person (at least in the context of your newly-opened relationship), and while in some ways it's understandable, the above attitude and behaviours need to stop, asap!

I have no idea how much your bf knows about the philosophy (rather than just the practice) of polyamory, but I feel he needs to read, research and possibly attend some kind of counselling IF you wish to salvage this relationship and/or he wishes to overcome his vile behaviour and enjoy a healthy and respectful poly life into the future, irrespective of his/your relationship status.
 
There's a difference between being insecure and being emotionally abusive. Yes, you have a house together which complicates things, but people who own property together split up all the time.

As Dan Savage would say. . .

DTMFA
 
I'm sorry you struggle.

A while ago, you wanted to break up.

Now he broke up with you to "test" you. Love doesn't have to be tested or proven. It is shared. Is he sharing loving behavior with you? Nope.

Do you enjoy how he behaves lately? Nope.

Do you trust him? Nope. You learned he lies to the new GF, and wonder if he lies to you.

At this point in time, you sound like you want to try to stay, you just want the bad behavior to stop. The thing is... it isn't stopping. :(

So here I am. Loving my new life, enjoying the opportunities that arise. But every time I let my guard down for a moment, he seems to want to drag me down.

Could keep enjoying your new life. Continue to poly with people that do not drag you down. Could break up with the guy that drags you down and be free of him. If he's a drag to be with, why be with him?

Do you want to be in a relationship where you have to be "on guard" all the time? Probably not.

You Opened because the relationship was becoming blah. It went from blah to worse. It sounds like he wants Open for him, but Closed for you. And you want Open for both. That's not compatible wants. Add the mean stuff?

Could just let the relationship go and stop trying to keep it going.

I'd prefer to continue this relationship, because I love him very much. Any advice on how to talk to him about this and handle his behavior would be much appreciated. But any insight on the long term potential is also welcome.

Love is not enough. There must be respect and good treatment also. I see where you love him. I do not see where he loves you, respects you, and treats you well.

To me it sounds like you have already tried talking and asking him to change his behaviors to no avail. They aren't changing. You could accept it. If you must love him, could do it from a far away and not up close dating him. Then he cannot ding you any more with his bad behaviors.

How I would handle those mean/nasty behaviors is to walk away. You have worth, dignity, and value. If someone is treating you with less than loving behavior? Could get out of the line of fire. Then you cannot be dinged. Could accept this is not a safe person to love up close.

You deserve better treatment. If he doesn't treat you well and stop dinging you? YOU treat yourself well and get away from the dinging.

He said he was, that he was over me, had no feelings left for me at all.

Believe him. Let it be over.

He followed me, and suddenly claimed that he didn't want to break up at all.

So he lies to you. Stay broken up.

Or he's telling the truth. He loves you and THIS is the best treatment he can offer you. Which is YUCK. Stay broken up.

He was just testing me to know if I still cared about him.

That doesn't mean HE actually cares about YOU. He sounds cruel and like he enjoys causing and then watching your pain.

About a month ago, we had a big fight, almost broke up (my initiative), and I told him that the only condition for getting back on track is that the drama needs to end.

He's not meeting your condition. The drama/mean stuff continues. So break up and stay broken up. Even if he comes around with some "sweetie pie honey bunch" stuff just to lure you back in to the mess.

No more getting back together. Follow through on your word. Because if you do not, all you teach is that you will make some noise after he behaves badly. And the noise is ignorable because you keep sticking around despite bad treatment. This is not a nice guy. Keep away.

No break up is like "Yay! Let's make cookies!" So there will be some short term sadness to process. But at least in the long term? You have hope of a better tomorrow.

Staying in this sounds like stink in the short term, stink in the long term, and no relief in sight. Do not do that. :(

Galagirl
 
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Hi AylaA,

I'm sorry you're in such a bad spot with your boyfriend. He is acting very unfair toward you. You don't want to leave him, and you don't want to go back to monogamy. This leaves you with one of two choices. One, accept that he is going to act like this, and get used to it if you can. Two, have big fights and drama with him, as you try to resist his behavior. For I don't know how to convince him to stop acting like this. He seems to be determined to continue his bad behavior. Just know that you haven't done anything wrong, you don't deserve this bad treatment by him.

With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
My boyfriend hasn't met him and has no desire to, but last night when he dropped me off at home, my boyfriend looked out the window to get a glimpse of him. As soon as I came through the door, I could sense his bad mood. He was ice cold again. He started commenting on the other guy's appearance, said that he couldn't believe I was sleeping with someone who was that much uglier than him, and that the fact I would settle for someone that unattractive made him feel repulsed by me.

Just. Wow. XXXX. That.

I'd be LIVID if one of partners said that about any of my other partners. They don't have to find them attractive, they don't have to like them, but to tell me I am repulsive? wow.
 
I would not seriously entertain the thought of having children with someone like that. Sure, it's possible he may have some kind of epiphany, but he seems a long way from that. Obviously he is very immature, selfish, and uncaring.

1. Lying about your relationship to other women is disrespectful to the both of you. It is unlikely the relationship will recover from that lie. Given his level of immaturity it is likely he will blame you for that breakup. That will most likely lead to more abuse.

2. If a partner told me they were repulsed by me I would leave. Granted, he probably wasn't really repulsed. He is trying to manipulate you in an abusive manner (seems to be a trend).

He always wants to drag you down. You only notice it when you are not fooling yourself. He doesn't want you to be happy doing poly. When you are pretending everything is great he ramps it up to make sure you know.

Abusive guys tend to be the most insecure because they are afraid you will find out what a real loving relationship is supposed to be like. Instead of changing themselves they prefer to manipulate their surroundings.
 
You think you love him because you had six good years together. My guess is that during that time neither of you experienced a significant health issue, a job loss and long-term unemployment, or other significant challenge. Now you are finally experiencing a challenge, and he is showing that he is not up to it. He is not being supportive of you or your needs, and instead of communicating his insecurity directly, he is acting in a manipulative and abusive manner. You think you love him, but until now you'd only seen how he handles fair weather situations.

Poly is hard sometimes. You know what's even harder? Life -- all the challenges that come with having kids, financial struggles, job responsibilities, parents getting older and needing your help. Do you want to face all those challenges with someone who's only nice to you when things are easy and he's getting his way?

You could try counseling, but it sounds to me like this guy is just a jerk. He's not even *trying* to communicate honestly, be fair to you or deal with his shit.
 
Oh honey no. You deserve so much better. Leave this guy, now.
 
I'd prefer to continue this relationship, because I love him very much. Any advice on how to talk to him about this and handle his behaviour would be much appreciated.

When you're forever in the position of having to "handle his behavior," you know that it's time to seriously consider ending the relationship. You don't have to wait for every last shred of love to have been blasted away by the discord before you choose to part ways. Breakups are wrenching because we love these people. If we didn't love them so much, walking away would be a breeze. But you don't have to wring out every conceivable possible "solution," suffering the indignities of the friction while you do, before you choose your peace of mind over "love." My own experience is that absolutely no "love" of any kind or any shape or any duration is worth trading in my own serenity.
 
Hi everyone,

I'm back with an update.
FIrst of all I'd like to thank all of you for your replies. They all felt incredibly supportive and insighful, and that was exactly what I needed at this time.

I had been keeping all your replies in the back of my mind the past few days - the opinion that this relationship shouldn't continue was pretty unanimous - and going back and forth on whether to leave him or not.

Then last night, the decision was pretty much made for me.
He asked me to go to a festival with him last night. I asked whether he was going there thinking of meeting new women, in which case I wouldn't join him. He assured me he wasn't. In the car over there, he then admitted he was meeting a girl from Tinder there. I would have to pretend to be 'just his roommate' because she doesn't know he has a girlfriend. I was already pretty upset about this, but it got worse when 10 minutes in the meet with this girl, he sent me a secret text asking me to leave so he can be alone with her.
I didn't feel like hanging around and witness him seducing another girl, so I took off. It was 1am, and I was alone at the festival. Luckily, a few minutes later I found out that one of the guys I've been dating was at that same festival. I went to meet him after informing my boyfriend and arranging to meet him by the car at closing time so we can drive home together.

At 2am I got to the car, to find out he has taken off without me. He had finished his 'date' before I did and didn't feel like waiting. I told him to turn around and pick me up. He did, but he was in an aweful mood. He told me I was being disrespectful for meeting up with this guy right under his nose (same guy he called ugly a few days earlier) and making him wait for me. He got so wound up that he pulled over in the middle of a pretty bad neighborhood and told me to get out of the car. It was 2.30am at that time. I refused, and then he SLAPPED me! I've never been physically abused in my life, and I refuse to tolerate that kind of behaviour.
In shock, I got out of the car and he drove off without me. I called that guy from the festival and he picked me up, took care of me and drove me to my parents' house.
Today, I went home, packed my bags, picked up my dog and put an end to a very toxic relationship.
I feel free and relieved and absolutely convinced I'll never ignore these many red flags ever again.

Thank you all for your support and your great judgement calls.
 
Oh my goodness, Ayla! I'm so very sorry you had to endure that scene and your former partner's abusive actions towards you.

You absolutely did the right thing by leaving this relationship. I'm just glad you have supportive lovers and family around you at this time.
 
Don't let this guy back into your life, ever. You deserve someone who respects you.
 
Sorry to hear your ex-boyfriend treated you so badly. I think you made the right choice in getting out of his life, you will be happier. I hope he eventually comes to his senses, but, you no longer need to worry about that.
 
I'm sorry all that happened and he slapped you. But I'm glad you took fast action and got yourself out of there.

Abuse sometimes just gets bigger and bigger over time with the "breaks" in between shorter and shorter.

http://www.emergecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Picture-Educational-Piece-Cycle-Over-Time.jpg

Stay gone and be strong if he comes around doing boo hoo and making promises of a "better tomorrow" or whatever. Don't believe the "honey pie sugar bunch" stuff. That's just a stop on the merry-go-round.

https://www.teensagainstabuse.org/images/Cycle.jpg

You have inherent worth, dignity and value. You deserve good treatment -- not this. So good for you in getting out!

Galagirl
 
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Best Wishes Ayla.

Times may be hard now, but 10 years down the line, I'm sure you'll look on this moment and think, "thank goodness I left."

I don't think that makes it any easier right now. The urge to get back together with him may be strong, and he may come crawling or apologising. I'd suggest staying strong to your choice.

Your life is going to improve from here on out, though not immediately. Surround yourself with people who love you.

Good luck.
 
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