MF Couple happy to be here from NW Burbs IL

Hey everyone wanted to take a second to make an introduction thread after setting up our profile. No idea how happy we are we stumbled across this site, we have been jumping through hoops with facebook pages and dating sites and none of it compares to the first 5 mins I spent lurking these forums!

Sorry if i derail myself a bit
I'm always horrible with these sorts of things
Guess I'll share a lil about us
We are a 26 and 29, a younger but stable, loving couple, we have been together for 10+ years and have 2 children together. We are both secure in our relationship and over the years we came to the decision that we would both like to expand our relationship and invite another woman to join our relationship. We aren't a couple who are just simply looking for "a good time" we love eachother with everything we have but we still have this love we want to share with another. We want to find that special someone that just fits ye know? That third partner to share in your trust and love, to share each others' passions and company, to make eachother happy.
Had to remind myself to keep this short

I am sure i am forgetting a multitude of things i wanted to put down in this introduction so if there is anything you would like to ask us, or anything i may have forgotten that would have been helpful to include please feel free to let me know here or in a message!

I'll end it here for now, you guys have no idea how overjoyed we are to have found this fine place, like an oasis in the desert, and we couldn't be any happier to be here!
Thank you all for taking the time to read this for those that have and we hope you all are having a great day!
 
Welcome to the boards.

The "hoops" you're experiencing are possibly less about the places you've been posting, and more what you are trying to engage in. You should definitely read and spend some time thinking and talking about "So someone called you a unicorn hunter," as well as doing a search on these boards for "triads," and "thirds."

HBB, otherwise known as Hot Bi Babes, are arguably the most sought-after people in all the polyverse. Many, if not most (myself included) will have nothing to do with a couple seeking to date as a unit. It's a recipe for spectacular failure and heartbreak for the "unicorn." Triads that start like this end, in pretty much every case I've witnessed, heard about, and read about, horribly and explosively (and not because the "unicorn" is a bad person, but because this kind of relationship is unrealistic, at best, and often devolves into what could be considered repressive, confining, and/or emotionally abusive).

We get many, many couples here who write almost the exact same intro you do, and you'll get the same advice: date separately. If one of you finds a bi girlfriend and that GF happens to also click with the other of you, that's great. The very few triads that go well form naturally, and have a much higher chance of working out well for all parties involved.
 
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Welcome to the boards.

The "hoops" your experiencing are possibly less about the places you've been posting, and more what you are trying to engage in. You should definitely read and spend some time thinking and talking about "So someone called you a unicorn hunter," as well as doing a search on these boards for "triads," and "thirds."

HBB, otherwise known as Hot Bi Babes, are arguably the most sought-after people in all the polyverse. Many, if not most (myself included) will have nothing to do with a couple seeking to date as a unit. It's a recipe for spectacular failure and heartbreak for the "unicorn." Triads that start like this end, in pretty much every case I've witnessed, heard about, and read about, horribly and explosively (and not because the "unicorn" is a bad person, but because this kind of relationship is unrealistic, at best, and often devolves into what could be considered repressive, confining, and/or emotionally abusive).

We get many, many couples here who write almost the exact same intro you do, and you'll get the same advice: date separately. If one of you finds a bi girlfriend and that GF happens to also click with the other of you, that's great. The very few triads that go well form naturally, and have a much higher chance of working out well for all parties involved.

First off thank you for the welcome as well as the reply!

We already understand the hurdles that are ahead of us, and I have actually already read that article about a month ago but i appreciate the info none the less! It made alot of great points, and i completely agreed with the part about how most couples are only seeking out a third to fill the gaps or repair their own relationship. Therefore this becomes a situation where the "unicorn" is being molded into something they arent in order to patch a relationship that seems to be failing.
I completely understand this and could see how this happens regularly. HOWEVER this has NEVER been our intention, nor do we have any gaps or flaws in our own relationship that we need to shove a unicorn into in order to repair. Again I understand that when a majority of "unicorn hunters" pull the same schemes, and cause the views of couples seeking a third to become jaded however i do not believe that me and my wife should be automatically prejudged based SOLELY on the fact that we simply wish to expand our relationship, kinda feels like prejudice in a community that should be more understanding to peoples wants and needs in life than mainstream society.

Me and my wife are happily married, secure in our relationship with one another to be honest with eachother and have open communication about our needs and desires. If we decide as a couple that we are both mutually interested in taking the time, and patience to search for that 1 special person, who wants to join a couple, not just for sex, or to repair a failing marriage, but to simply be an equal part in that relationship, as long as all of us are comfortable and understanding of eachother, i mean a LT relationship will never last if their isn't some kind of a deeper connection and understanding of one another something more than just sexual attraction amirite? We know what it is we are looking for, not some plaything, not something we can mold to be like us or to fit into what we establish as the ideal relationship, but someone who can share in our life, and we can share in theirs.

Yet because of this stigma it seems that is attached to poly MF couples seeking a third, well a third woman because i get the feeling the reply would have been fairly different if it were a man we were searching for. So because of said stigma, even tho we know what we want, we will just get told that we are better off doing something that makes US feel uncomfortable and is not what we are searching for as a couple? because....well just because?

We are not looking to each have our own partners and go off with them on our own to have our own private side relationships
this does not interest us and never has
even if there is some slim prospect that i or she could somehow find a bi chick who may be willing to join a couple?

just as unicorns are defended for their right to not be pressured into being someone they aren't or to be turned into those mess of emotions used as a tool to keep a marriage together. (which again i completely agree that this happens when it shouldn't and that it is not yours or theirs or anyones fault for these stigmas to exist but the couples themselves creating these bad reputations.
but do we as couples not deserve the same respect and rights? to not be forced or pressured into something that makes us uncomfortable simply because someone tells us to? or because its easier? or because there is some stigma attached to us couples in the poly community that is used against us and used to judge us before ever taking the 5-10 mins to have a conversation with those people and see what they are really all about?

We understand it won't be easy to find what it is we are looking for
we know it will take time, even years
but that's all a part of this crazy thing called life
and even if it took 15-20-35 years for us to finally find that special someone that gets us, that clicks with us, that understands
then its all worth it, and until then me and her will continue to fill each other's lives with love and happiness

also please do not take my reply the wrong way
i do appreciate your words of advice and i take them seriously
and i completely understand the points you are making and blame no one for our own uphill battle but the few bad eggs who always ruin it for the rest of the class.
It just gets frustrating when we do our best to be understanding and accepting of others peoples opinions and the way they want to live their lives, because who are we to tell you how to live? as a human being you deserve that simple respect.
and yet in return all we get told is
give up on unicorns and just have an open marriage and date seperately
it can be extremely aggravating when this happens everytime you reach out to the poly community, not even for help, but just to say "hi"
we are 2 who want to become 3
not 2 who want 1 on the side
not sets of 1 trying to become sets of 2
we share everything we have in this life with each other and if others can't respect our relationship enough to understand that and not try to change what gives us happiness then that's your opinion and your allowed to it but we won't sacrifice what we have just because we are automatically piled in with some stereotype.

again im sorry if im coming off as rude, or ranting i honestly dont mean to
and i really do appreciate this site, your opinion the info, and the poly community.
Am still thankful to have found this place and we wish you all nothing but the best
sorry i went on a bit of a rant there please don't take it personally and don't hold it to harshly against us i know you all wish for nothing more than to just help one another <3

P.S. i know my intro was horrible and it probably came off this way but we aren't necessarily here to hunt down unicorns or solely just to find a partner
mostly here because every other poly community we have been a part of simply to be more involved in discussions ended up being horrible, nothing but smut everywhere, no respect for a couples boundaries, or any members boundaries, nor any member seemed to take the time to read or learn anything about that person before message, just the usual dick pic and sext type messages hoping for an easy lay. so again we completely understand that there is a stigma that you have to be aware of.
i really really do appreciate this sites insight and will be the first to admit that even tho me and my wife our secure in knowing what we both want and are also aware that we must be understanding of whoever joins us wants, we are still fairly new (3-4 years) to the poly community, so we take the advice of people who have been living this lifestyle far longer than us seriously and respect what you have to say on the matter <3

" The very few triads that go well form naturally, and have a much higher chance of working out well for all parties involved" completely agree and this is actually the route we have been going down for the past year with a close and long time friend.

so sorry for the huge block of text
thank you so much greenacres for the warm welcome
the wise insight and words of advice
and most of all
for reading this mess of a reply
<3
 
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Greetings CodenameKottonmouth,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

I know it sucks to start off being grouped with the infamous "unicorn hunters," I personally try to judge on a case-by-case basis and there is no way to know how things will work out until you give it a try. As long as you are aware of the pitfalls and watch out for them, you have a chance I think.

I am glad that you could join our site and I hope you'll keep us posted.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

Notes:

There's a *lot* of good info in Golden Nuggets. Have a look!

Please read through the guidelines if you haven't already.

Note: You needn't read every reply to your posts, especially if someone posts in a disagreeable way. Given the size and scope of the site it's hard not to run into the occasional disagreeable person. Please contact the mods if you do (or if you see any spam), and you can block the person if you want.

If you have any questions about the board itself, please private-message a mod and they'll do their best to help.

Welcome aboard!
 
Greetings CodenameKottonmouth,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

I know it sucks to start off being grouped with the infamous "unicorn hunters," I personally try to judge on a case-by-case basis and there is no way to know how things will work out until you give it a try. As long as you are aware of the pitfalls and watch out for them, you have a chance I think.

I am glad that you could join our site and I hope you'll keep us posted.
Sincerely,
Kevin T., "official greeter" :)

Notes:

There's a *lot* of good info in Golden Nuggets. Have a look!

Please read through the guidelines if you haven't already.

Note: You needn't read every reply to your posts, especially if someone posts in a disagreeable way. Given the size and scope of the site it's hard not to run into the occasional disagreeable person. Please contact the mods if you do (or if you see any spam), and you can block the person if you want.

If you have any questions about the board itself, please private-message a mod and they'll do their best to help.

Welcome aboard!

Thank you as well for the warm welcome!
sorry for the late reply
and it's alright we completely understand why the stigma is there and it doesn't bother us too much just a hurdle we have to be aware of

Also green acres i would like to apologize once again if my reply came off as a bit abrasive or anything i honestly didn't mean for it too
I slightly misunderstood what you were trying to say and never corrected myself so please don't take it personally or anything like that we have genuinely been giving thought to your words of advice adn didn't just completely disregard them.

Hope you all are having a great day and are all doing well!
Will be trying to browse the site a bit more than we have been able to but life gets hectic as I'm sure you all can relate too.

Thank you guys again for the warm welcome and advice
means alot <3
 
Welcome Codename.

The best way to have a fruitful experience here is not so much to post one "what we are looking for" thread, but to join in the many discussions and become part of our forum community. You seem like a sincere and good person, so post more! Just be you - don't post as a couple looking for a third, just write from your heart as the individual you are. Our community is indeed a treasure, but only because the people are individuals first and foremost and because each person here is "real" and sharing thoughts that are sincere, like yours. It's great that you and your wife have a good relationship, but we want to know who you are. That was kind of what GreenAcres was getting at. Yes, you and your wife are a couple and it's fine if you want threesome sex, but relationships are always one on one, even when three or more people are involved.

I hope you stick around and post more.
 
Welcome to you, Codenamekottenmouth.

You and your (unnamed) wife are operating as a unit. A 2 person unit. You opened an account as a "couple," but I see a man posting for both of you. We recommend each member of a couple have their own account. If you insist on sharing one, at the start of each post, you or your wife must identify yourselves. We members here can't just address a plural you.

You will not find "a third to join our relationship." As unified as you and your wife feel you are, you are actually two people. The best you can do is find a bi woman who will like YOU, as a person, like YOUR WIFE, as a person. And then, as you hope, be sexually attracted to each of you. And ultimately somehow, fit into your lifestyle (and your house) seamlessly.

As much as you feel like a single unit with your wife, you are each individuals, not clones of each other. Your hypothetical gf will relate to each of you as individuals. There will be several relationships going on, not just a triad.

You + your wife
You + new gf
Your wife + new gf
You + wife + gf

Your gf will never be an equal to you two, since she can't be legally married to either part of a married couple. She will automatically be at a disadvantage. She will also be at a deficit since you two have been together since you were teenagers, have had 2 children even, and she will be brand new. She will also have her own history, her own living quarters, maybe her own children and an ex husband. She will have a lot of catching up to do.

Meanwhile, if you find her, there will be NRE. You and/or your wife will be infatuated with new girl. This could cause upset between the 2 of your original couple. New girl will be so exciting and fresh, so much to explore.

Do you imagine, in the vein of togetherness and her "joining your relationship," all your sex, and all your dates now be as a threesome? Will you miss one on one intimacy with your wife? Will new gf want one on one intimacy with one or the other of you? What if one of you is sick or tired, or distracted with work, for a week or a month? Will they be jealous if the two non-stressed ones are enjoying more one on one time together, staying up late, going out on dates, etc? What if one of the women becomes pregnant and isn't in the mood for sex for months on end, and after the baby is born? What of togetherness then?

You won't move her in on the first date. Eventually if and when you find her... she will bring her own stuff, furniture, housewares, decorative objects. And her kids, if she has any. And her dating history and family history. She will also need to bond with your children. Will you trust her to be a second mom? Will your kids want that and accept her discipline?

What if she wants to have a baby with you? You can't be their legal father in most states, and your wife can't be their co-mother. Special arrangements will need to be made.

What about "coming out" to your family, friends and co-workers? Will they accept new girl? Will she be viewed with suspicion and treated poorly and not invited to family or work functions? Will you be seen as a womanizer and a creep, and your wife pitied?

I also get the idea you seek a poly-fidelitous arrangement where your new gf can't have any other lovers of her own. One more requirement...

What happens if your new gf first seems equally interested in both of you, but ends up preferring one? What if one of you loves her, but the other becomes disenchanted after infatuation passes? Is she out on her ass? Is that fair to her, or to the one of you that cares about her more? No. It isn't. And we get those kinds of stories here all the time (though we do lack dick pix).:rolleyes:

Even though you two have spend long hours talking this over, you still have unrealistic fantasies about how things will go. It's good you anticipate it could take 35 years to find such a perfect bisexual woman to "join your relationship."

I've been practicing polyamory since 1999. I never date a person that requires me to date their partner as well. I find it creepy.
 
I don't think that there is anything astronomically impossible about any of this. I do think that while having some idea of one's wants and needs before establishing connections is good, so is a certain degree of flexibility. In other words, not getting TOO set in precisely what you are trying to find, but having a sort of general idea, especially one more rooted in what you're preparing to offer another person or people, and then just opening the cosmic doors and seeing what the universe sends your way.

And I think that this approach is not only applicable to polyfolk looking to add to whatever they have, but monofolk or singles looking for whatever.

And I also think that the better connections are formed in person, so if you can join any real life communities, that's probably a great idea. I don't see this site as a dating opportunity site so much as a discussion forum, a sharing of ideas, even though I've seen several other posters in my area including one I'm talking to a lot (but with no intent to date)...I've had some success with dating sites, but I also had an NRE bomb blow up in my face with someone who turned out to be scared of emotional attachment despite saying so many things contrary to that on his profile and in initial dates. I think there's potential for good and bad with OLD. But fetlife doesn't make a good dating site and I don't really think this place does either. Just my 2 cents. Look for in person opportunities if you can.

As for what Magdlyn said about those individual relationships... I had a boyfriend and he courted in a couple, and we've got four people with different relations and interactions going on, but it's working really nicely. It could be said that I'm the "unicorn" for the married couple, but she also has my boyfriend as her boyfriend, too...it can shake out to be as simple or complex as it be, and what you get out will depend on what you put in, methinks. *shrug* Just keep your expectations fluid and enjoy the adventure. :)
 
And I also think that the better connections are formed in person, so if you can join any real life communities, that's probably a great idea. .... But fetlife doesn't make a good dating site and I don't really think this place does either. Just my 2 cents. Look for in person opportunities if you can.

Just interjecting a plug for OKCupid, which is not Fetlife, not this forum and not Tinder or any other hook-up focused app. A lot of poly people have found great success on OKCupid precisely because it affords the opportunity to know who in your area is open to polyamory, unlike most "in person" places. Most of us poly people never go to poly functions or join any kind of official poly community and are people you'd never know were poly if you met us in person. OKCupid is the most active and poly-friendly dating site and many of us have made some great connections that started there. I'm not discounting "in person" as a way to meet people and that way may indeed be the most fruitful for some, but "online" is a wide and varied source, Fetlife and here being just two of many places you can meet other poly people. OKCupid is generally considered the place to go if you're looking online to date other poly people in your area.

All that said, I've become friends with a great person here and we are forming plans to meet up in person. There are a few people here that I'd love to meet in person, having "known" them on the forum for awhile. I think that if a person is open to dating or friendships and not attached to one or the other, Fetlife and this forum are really good places to get to know people who have similar sensibilities. You have to be willing to let the friendships marinate, so in that sense, no this isn't a dating site where you meet someone and bam, you're having sex with them. But if you're a cool cat and able to allow relationships to evolve naturally and slowly, unattached to outcome, online communities can be great resources for getting to know new people and eventually meeting up in person.

BTW, all of this applies to looking for "a third" as several people have already pointed out. Successful relationships happen because the individuals are drawn to each other and are able to let things evolve organically. No matter if two, three, four or more people are involved, relationships always happen one on one.
 
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Agree. OKC was the one I was using when I met first the guy who wound up being a spectacular failure on multiple levels (*sigh* Still miss him though, the sex was great)...but I also met the Analyst there, and Hefe and Fire have profiles there. I've found that, locally, there's a lot of crossover between OKC and Fetlife, too. Sometimes people will even include a link to their fet profile or their fet name in their OKC profile.

The only gripe I've got about OKC is the same gripe I have about online dating in general. I feel that it nudges the mentality in a superficial direction. There is the photo swiping interface, but beyond that, everyone there finds themselves imagining the perfect relationship thing they are trying to establish, and advertising accordingly, then those who browse on the receiving end of your profile have expectations and want you to be "as advertised" and you know, sometimes I think there's just a chaos factor to human interaction that isn't accounted for. Women are saying "there needs to be chemistry" and men are asking, "What exactly does that mean and how do I make it happen?" I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted at first, and thought I could do casual sex, so I put that out there. The guy that didn't work out, he said he was looking for love. When we came together and had mind blowing sexytime, I was the one who caught feels and he was the one who (it turned out) only wanted casual with me. We both felt a little tricked, I think. It's easy to think you know what you want, but sometimes that all goes right out the window once you're actually interacting in the flesh.
 
I don't think that there is anything astronomically impossible about any of this. I do think that while having some idea of one's wants and needs before establishing connections is good, so is a certain degree of flexibility...

As for what Magdlyn said about those individual relationships... I had a boyfriend and he courted in a couple, and we've got four people with different relations and interactions going on, but it's working really nicely. It could be said that I'm the "unicorn" for the married couple, but she also has my boyfriend as her boyfriend, too...it can shake out to be as simple or complex as it be, and what you get out will depend on what you put in, methinks. *shrug* Just keep your expectations fluid and enjoy the adventure. :)

Flexibility and fluidity are crucial, yes. However, this couple seems set on a certain configuration, a bi woman to "join their relationship," seemingly unaware that it won't be their (the two of them) relationship, but their (the three of them) relationship. Or more literally, relationshipS.

I was in 2 semi triads that both blew up, as the majority of them do. Never again. People are humans, not pawns or toys.
 
I'm definitely tracking the potential pitfalls. Though I think that there are just as many singles out there looking for just one partner who have this whole preconceived image of what they think they want...

And to the point, at least they are looking to form a relationship-thing instead of just looking for a sex toy to spice up the marriage. At least that's what's in their minds. This is why I'd think that becoming part of some kind of in person community, or at least talking to people online for a good long time without pushing too forcefully toward a goal might be best. Let it come together a bit more organically if possible.

For instance, I could think of several couples I already know in the local kink scene that I imagine I could be part of on either a casual or a serious basis without too much trouble. But me joining in hasn't even been a twinkle in anybody's eye, a thought in our heads, as we've all been getting to know each other, we're just people and more people in the group becoming friends.

I would much prefer to have a relationship with BOTH people in a couple, I really don't think I would enjoy being in a V, unless we (metas) were at LEAST very close friends. But that's me. *shrug*
 
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