Mono girl heartbroken over poly woman (very long)

blaze777

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I (26F mono) met a 41 year old poly woman in August. She added me from a dating app, knowing I was monogamous. (She added me because she found me cute.) She has a boyfriend and I was very suspicious at first. I asked a lot of questions and assumed they just wanted me as a 3rd, like a lot of people on those apps do, but that didn't seem to be the case. She did say IF I wanted him involved, then he could be. I am lesbian, btw. I did not want him to have any involvement.

Bear in mind we are in separate countries. She is in America and I am in England.

So, throughout these months, she made me feel very special and so loved, something I have been craving for a long time. I usually just have short flings of sexting girls with not much else to it. She would make me feel beautiful and cared for, for the most part. She'd send me so many songs to listen to. It could be ones important to her, or ones that she said were "us", so I would really have to listen to the lyrics. She'd send me things to watch and send me multiple snapchats of her, and videos throughout the day, and tell me about random things. It was really cute. I don't usually go for older women, but she was crazy hot, beautiful, intriguing and not the typical 41 year old. She definitely seemed younger. (She is bipolar and potentially autistic.)

She'd beg for my attention and was sometimes needy if I didn't respond for a while, because she's a brat. She gave me a lot of attention. At night she would get very horny. She used to send me nudes a lot.

She drank every night. She would often tell me she loved me and we had a few nights where we said the most deepest things to each other. It felt so intimate and surreal. I was falling for her from very early on. She even told me she was addicted to me, as I was to her. This only ever really seemed to happen when she was drunk, though, so I was always like "Are you sure you're not just saying this because you're buzzed rn?" She would deny, but part of me feels it was just that.

Some arguments happened because I would get jealous of her speaking to other people, and sending them nudes, etc. She would also hate when I would talk about me talking to other girls. She did not want to hear it. Some days she seemed jealous, other days she wasn't bothered if I had other girls. I don't know how that works for someone who is poly. I've been trying to understand the world of poly, but I can't seem to, unfortunately.

She was pretty new to poly when I met her; before her current boyfriend, she was with an abusive husband for 18 years, who controlled her. I think that's what made her lean into poly, because she has full control over whatever she does now.

There were a few red flags along the road. She seemed to intentionally hurt me a few times, knowing how upset it made me. She would act oblivious and uncaring. Then if I expressed the hurt it made me feel, she would bring up her ex, how she's heard much worse from him and compare me to him. It was gaslighting and manipulation. She would then give a phony "I'm sorry," but never really seem to mean it.

For the last 2-3 months she started to act differently towards me, wasn't sending me selfies and videos like before, less nudes... She wouldn't send them spontaneously anymore, and would even avoid when asked. She wasn't sharing songs with me or anything like before, barely initiated the convos, had less enthusiasm and wasn't all that lovey with me. She began to stop saying I love you first. (SHE USED TO SEND MULTIPLE VIDEOS OF HER SAYING IT. It started to feel like she was just saying it with no meaning attached to it, like it was a fun thing for her).

Anyway, I felt the vibe and energy change, and every time I questioned her about it she would be so nonchalant and gaslight me into thinking it hadn't changed. It made me feel crazy. She always had excuses, which i would respect. But something was definitely off. I realised it was because she had started talking to another girl, a girl who lives in her state. That is when the energy changed.

Skip to now, we argued just after Christmas because I was trying to engage sexually with her because it had been a while, and she kept avoiding with jokes and would give me false hope about how she was going to do something, but never did. At this point she hadn't sent me nudes for over a week and she told me that she had sent other people them. That broke me. I said she's "just a whore" out of anger and how she doesn't love me anymore and that someone's replaced me, I can feel it. Every time I said these things she wouldn't deny anything, and it only made me feel worse. I cried so much. She became so cold and said "I would" when I said "You would just carry on sexting them anyway". She had no care for how I felt. I stopped talking to her for a few days. Her snapchat score of course carried on going up and up, a lot.

Skip to a few days ago, I messaged her. She kept leaving me on seen. I apologised for what I called her. She was very upset with it, it hurt her a lot. (Her ex always used to call her that.) I felt very bad... but at the same time, it feels true because of how promiscuous she is. I wanted an apology from her because the other day she said, "I'm sorry you feel that way," as I was really hurting because of her behaviour towards me. I said that isn't even an apology, it's what narcissists say, and it's a form of manipulation! She did not care. (I think she's learned a lot of these traits from her ex.)

After me wanting things to go back normal and her not showing me any form of love or affection, she revealed to me that she was going to be staying with that girl she'd been talking to since October...a day before she's going there?! She then says they are dating.

My heart shattered. I had a panic attack. My gut was right all along. That's why she hasn't been into me anymore. She stopped saving my selfies to chat like we'd both always done. She never complimented me anymore or made me feel good about myself. She just love-bombed and discarded me.

I asked why didn't she tell me all this time and she came up with a lame excuse about how upset I've been with my ex best friend, so she obviously didn't want to hurt me even more. BUT this was happening even before my friend issues. All she did was use me and abandon me when something better came along. During all of this and me being so upset, spilling my heart out with paragraphs, she was the most nonchalant disinterested person ever. She only sent me a single sentence or a few words to each thing. She didn't take ANY of it in and was only responding selectively. I wanted reassurance, i wanted SOMETHING that would make me feel better. She gave me nothing.

I said "You didn't save my selfie because you don't find me attractive anymore," and she didn't deny it. I was practically begging her to just be straight up and ADMIT and tell me she's not into me anymore. I don't know why she just couldn't do that! She left me hanging there with false hope and slow replyies to me as I'm overthinking and breaking down. It was like i was speaking to a brick wall! It hurt like nothing else I have experienced before.

She told me she does love me, but why won't she say what changed?! She said this is a bad time of year for her, she gets seasonal depression and is stressed about money, etc. But how does that equate to not showing me the same love and attention she once did? Because this new girl is getting all of that! How is that even fair? Nothing ever gets resolved with her because she shuts down and stonewalls me and then it's always me having to say sorry.

I am truly heartbroken. I never thought I was going to get this attached to her. I never want to be attached to anyone else ever again. She knew how broken I already was from my past. She promised me she'd never hurt me and that i could trust her. She was my safe space :'(

I uninstalled Snapchat so we can't speak anymore, because it only breaks me more. Knowing that she's now staying with this girl she's known for less than me really kills me. I thought poly people are supposed to show everyone the same amount of love and attention and have no favourites? I was replaced and it fucking kills me. That has always been my biggest fear. I was played, betrayed and lied to. It wouldn't have hit me so hard if she was just straight up and honest with me and told me from the get go, instead of stringing me along, completely oblivious, as I tell her how much I love her and want her. I really don't know if i can heal and move on from her. I feel so in love with the image she portrayed herself to be (as well as my own delusions). 😭 I feel so humiliated.

She was the only person I spoke to daily. I'm incredibly lonely and now i am even worse off. i wish i never accepted her add in the first place. 4-5 months of my life was wasted. She meant more to me than what I did to her. She isn't going to miss me, I will be the one missing her and that is the sad truth. She got bored of me. It was clear as day.

I'm sorry for how long this is, it's felt good to vent this all out. If you've somehow read all of this, thank you so much for taking the time to. I know I have been toxic myself in this. I'm not saying everything has been her fault. But I need to know if her treatment towards me was normal...

Edit: Here is part of the conversation we had before I went no contact: (swipe)
 
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No, her treatment of you was not "normal," and it wasn't what you'd call typical polyamory. It sounds like you're pretty clear that you became involved with a narcissist who used you and then discarded you. Sadly there are a lot of narcs out there, and if you're out in the dating world, you're bound to run into them from time to time. You saw the red flags. She showed her true colors.

You will heal. Be glad it was only 4 months and only online. If you were dating irl it could've been much worse.

I know this pain feels like it will never end. But rest assured it will. Look up information on narcissism. There are some good supportive sites and lots of information online.

The takeaway from this is to trust your gut. When the red flags start waving, run, don't walk, away.

She found your vulnerable areas, your loneliness, your good heart, your abandonment issues, and entertained herself by pushing all your buttons and watching you fall apart. This kind of thing is fun for narcs, as you noticed.
 
No, her treatment of you was not "normal," and it wasn't what you'd call typical polyamory. It sounds like you're pretty clear that you became involved with a narcissist who used you and then discarded you. Sadly there are a lot of narcs out there, and if you're out in the dating world, you're bound to run into them from time to time. You saw the red flags. She showed her true colors.

You will heal. Be glad it was only 4 months and only online. If you were dating irl it could've been much worse.

I know this pain feels like it will never end. But rest assured it will. Look up information on narcissism. There are some good supportive sites and lots of information online.

The takeaway from this is to trust your gut. When the red flags start waving, run, don't walk, away.

She found your vulnerable areas, your loneliness, your good heart, your abandonment issues, and entertained herself by pushing all your buttons and watching you fall apart. This kind of thing is fun for narcs, as you noticed.
Thank you for your reply and advice

I'm not even sure if she actually is poly. She told me she wouldn't really class herself as that. I tried to know exactly what she was and what she wanted, and she gave no actual answers. Basically, she has a boyfriend, they both speak to people, she has actually slept with a girl (and I guess the other girl was last night). He hasn't done things irl with another girl, yet. But I've seen on his reddit that he seems to be a swinger, looking for people for him and her to swing with in local communities. Also the fact that she wanted to swap partners in bed with the woman she slept with. She even sent him nudes and I wasn't ok with it.

Also, I know that I've made her seem like this terrible person. I don't think she is a narcissist. She just seems to shut down during any form of conflict or when I tell her how something hurt me. She is still a lovely woman, just has a lot of flaws. I think I took this all as much more serious than she ever did. I really wish I could understand polyamory, and even be poly myself, just so I wouldn't feel these negative feelings. I'm a very insecure, possessive and jealous person. I hate it. Maybe my own behaviour made her disinterested.
 
Narcissists can be extremely charming and very sexy. That is the honey they spread around to entice their victims.

In case it isn't obvious, I had a serious relationship with a narc. It was about 10 years ago, irl, and he lived in the next town. It lasted 2 1/2 years. He took me in good. But eventually I was demoted and discarded. He also played the "I'm poly" card, but really, he just enjoyed gaslighting and triangulating me and others. You are now being triangulated with this new woman she went to stay with. Really. Check out some narc sites.



 
Narcissists can be extremely charming and very sexy. That is the honey they spread around to entice their victims.

In case it isn't obvious, I had a serious relationship with a narc. It was about 10 years ago, irl, and he lived in the next town. It lasted 2 1/2 years. He took me in good. But eventually I was demoted and discarded. He also played the "I'm poly" card, but really, he just enjoyed gaslighting and triangulating me and others. You are now being triangulated with this new woman she went to stay with. Really. Check out some narc sites.



I'm sorry you've dealt with one, that must've been awful.

I've already looked into what a narcissist is for years, after dealing with my ex best friend who was definitely one. I even told this woman about her and she said thought so too. I just read the first article and it really doesn't shout as her being a narc. She was actually more of a pushover. Wasn't entitled, goes out of her way to help people, she does have empathy etc. She's definitely still got toxic traits though, with all the mental illnesses she has, she would. I'm also toxic 😅 but from what I've known of her online, she doesn't seem like a narcissist.
 
She added me from a dating app, knowing I was monogamous. (She added me because she found me cute.)
You were a fun challenge! Fuck up the mono chick!
She made me feel very special and so loved, something I have been craving for a long time. She would make me feel beautiful and cared for, for the most part. She'd send me so many songs to listen to. It could be ones important to her, or ones that she said were "us", so I would really have to listen to the lyrics. She'd send me things to watch and send me multiple snapchats of her, and videos throughout the day, t she was crazy hot, beautiful, intriguing...
Sounds like love-bombing. Narc behavior.
She is potentially autistic.
My ex was autistic and I excused his unfeeling behavior because of this, until other autistic friends pointed out this was not how they acted in relationships.
She'd beg for my attention and was sometimes needy... She's a brat. She gave me a lot of attention, was very horny. She used to send me nudes a lot.
Narcs can seem insatiably horny and make one feel desirable above all others, at first.
She drank every night. She would often tell me she loved me. We had a few nights where we said the deepest things to each other. It felt so intimate and surreal. I was falling for her from very early on. She even told me she was addicted to me, as I was to her.
Narcs "mirror" the emotions of their victims.
This only seemed to happen when she was drunk, so I was like "Are you sure you're not just saying this because you're buzzed?" She would deny, but part of me feels it was just that.
But she made you question your own perceptions. An older woman taking advantage of a younger one. Emotional vampire.
She would also hate when I would talk about me talking to other girls.
Not very poly of her.
She has full control
That's what they need and enjoy. Dangle you like a kitten on a string.
red flags
Red flags.
She intentionally hurt me a few times, She would act oblivious and uncaring.
No empathy, getting pleasure from causing you pain.
if I expressed the hurt it made me feel, she would bring up her ex, how she's heard much worse from him and compare me to him. It was gaslighting and manipulation. She would then give a phony "I'm sorry," but never really seem to mean it.
You said it, gaslighting, manipulation. And she's insincere. When narcs give up and are ready to devalue you and demote you, they stop trying to appear normal and loving.
she started to act differently towards me, wasn't sending me selfies and videos, or sharing songs like before, had less enthusiasm. She began to stop saying I love you first. (SHE USED TO SEND MULTIPLE VIDEOS OF HER SAYING IT. It started to feel like she was just saying it with no meaning attached to it, like it was a fun thing for her.)
Love bombing followed by manipulation and devaluation.

From here https://www.charliehealth.com/post/things-narcissists-say-in-an-argument-and-what-they-really-mean#:~:text=Common control tactics in narcissistic,of empathy, and power dynamics.

"Common control tactics in narcissistic abuse include manipulation, emotional exploitation, gaslighting, alternating between idealization and devaluation of the victim, isolating from support networks, blame-shifting, lack of empathy, and power dynamics."
I felt the vibe and energy change, and every time I questioned her about it she would... gaslight me into thinking it hadn't changed. It made me feel crazy. ... she had started talking to another girl, a girl who lives in her state. That is when the energy changed.
Gaslighting makes you feel crazy, question reality.

She would give me false hope about how she was going to do something, but never did... someone's replaced me. She became so cold and said "I would" when I said "You would just carry on sexting them anyway". She had no care for how I felt. Her snapchat score carried on going up and up, a lot.
Triangulation.
She said, "I'm sorry you feel that way," as I was really hurting because of her behaviour towards me. I said that isn't even an apology, it's what narcissists say, and it's a form of manipulation! She did not care.
Manipulation. Lack of empathy.
She was going to be staying with that girl she'd been talking to, a day before she's going there?! She says they are dating. That's why she hasn't been into me anymore. She never complimented me anymore or made me feel good about myself. She just love-bombed and discarded me.
Again, narc behaviors.
All she did was use me and abandon me when something better came along.
Triangulation. Discarding you. And on to the next victim!
During all of this and me being so upset, spilling my heart out with paragraphs, she was the most nonchalant disinterested person ever. I wanted reassurance, i wanted SOMETHING that would make me feel better. She gave me nothing.

It was like I was speaking to a brick wall! It hurt like nothing else I have experienced before.
Lack of empathy.
She told me she does love me, but why won't she say what changed?! She said this is a bad time of year for her, she gets seasonal depression and is stressed about money
Lies. Blah blah blah. Blame-shifting. Word salad.
New girl is getting all of that! How is that even fair?
It's not fair. You were discarded and triangulated, for her pleasure.
Nothing ever gets resolved with her because she shuts down and stonewalls me and then it's always me having to say sorry. She knew how broken I already was from my past. She promised me she'd never hurt me and that i could trust her.
She pinpointed your weak areas and used them against you later. For fun!
Knowing that she's now staying with this girl she's known for less than me really kills me. I thought poly people are supposed to show everyone the same amount of love and attention and have no favourites.
Well, poly people can have hierarchies, but respect of everyone's feelings and needs is required, just the same.
I was replaced and it fucking kills me. That has always been my biggest fear.
Your biggest fear, and she played you.
I was played, betrayed and lied to. It wouldn't have hit me so hard if she was just straight up and honest with me and told me from the get go, instead of stringing me along. I feel so in love with the image she portrayed herself to be...
Exactly what I went through. It hurt so much. He went from so loving and sweet to making me feel like he was using me when it was convenient for him, while he'd actually lost interest in me as a person. He never actually saw me as a person. He did a 180 from perfect lover to monster.
I feel so humiliated. She meant more to me than what I did to her. She isn't going to miss me...
Narcs have no soul, no center, no actual human emotions. They just need attention as fuel. They tire easily and move on to the next victim, usually by cheating, but it's even easier when they pretend to be polyamorous (while being incapable of actually loving).

She got bored of me. It was clear as day.
I know I have been toxic myself in this. I'm not saying everything has been her fault. But I need to know if her treatment towards me was normal...
I am not sure if you were really toxic, or if she just threw you off kilter so much, and blame-shifted onto you, and gaslit you so much, she manipulated you into thinking you were the toxic one.
 
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Regardless of any possible diagnosis, you were smitten for a while, and it sounds like she was with you, too. But her interest waned quicker than yours and rather than calling time on the flirtation at that time, you both let it drag on until it became dramatic, and now traumatic for you.

Is this "normal poly"? Hell no. Honestly, this sounds like some grown up version of teenage relationship drama - she is fickle with her attractions, and you're really wanting a (mono) girlfriend. Throw in some kink play and you've got this mess on your hands. Honestly, call it a day. She's not compatible with you as a long term partner, and that's okay. Let go. Forgive yourself for staying this long (I speak from experience as I have had significant/bad breakups and know I could have left sooner and it would have been healthier). Learn from this about what you don't want in the future. Learn to leave early before those red flags pile up.

The takeaway from this is to trust your gut. When the red flags start waving, run, don't walk, away.

This ^^^ is what really matters here.
 
You were a fun challenge! Fuck up the mono chick!

Sounds like love-bombing. Narc behavior.

My ex was autistic and I excused his unfeeling behavior because of this, until other autistic friends pointed out this was not how they acted in relationships.

Narcs can seem insatiably horny and make one feel desirable above all others, at first.

Narcs "mirror" the emotions of their victims.

But she made you question your own perceptions. An older woman taking advantage of a younger one. Emotional vampire.

Not very poly of her.

That's what they need and enjoy. Dangle you like a kitten on a string.

Red flags.

No empathy, getting pleasure from causing you pain.

You said it, gaslighting, manipulation. And she's insincere. When narcs give up and are ready to devalue you and demote you, they stop trying to appear normal and loving.

Love bombing followed by manipulation and devaluation.

From here https://www.charliehealth.com/post/things-narcissists-say-in-an-argument-and-what-they-really-mean#:~:text=Common control tactics in narcissistic,of empathy, and power dynamics.

"Common control tactics in narcissistic abuse include manipulation, emotional exploitation, gaslighting, alternating between idealization and devaluation of the victim, isolating from support networks, blame-shifting, lack of empathy, and power dynamics."

Gaslighting makes you feel crazy, question reality.


Triangulation.

Manipulation. Lack of empathy.

Again, narc behaviors.

Triangulation. Discarding you. And on to the next victim!

Lack of empathy.

Lies. Blah blah blah. Blame-shifting. Word salad.

It's not fair. You were discarded and triangulated, for her pleasure.

She pinpointed your weak areas and used them against you later. For fun!

Well, poly people can have hierarchies, but respect of everyone's feelings and needs is required, just the same.

Your biggest fear, and she played you.

Exactly what I went through. It hurt so much. He went from so loving and sweet to making me feel like he was using me when it was convenient for him, while he'd actually lost interest in me as a person. He never actually saw me as a person. He did a 180 from perfect lover to monster.

Narcs have no soul, no center, no actual human emotions. They just need attention as fuel. They tire easily and move on to the next victim, usually by cheating, but it's even easier when they pretend to be polyamorous (while being incapable of actually loving).



I am not sure if you were really toxic, or if she just threw you off kilter so much, and blame-shifted onto you, and gaslit you so much, she manipulated you into thinking you were the toxic one.
All of this!

OP, The love bombing was the first BIG red flag. I know it feels good and makes you feel special but if you get this in the future, RUN!!! It's the red flag with emphasis. Do not continue with a love bomber. It always ends in abuse and emotional harm.
 
I'm a very insecure, possessive and jealous person. I hate it. Maybe my own behaviour made her disinterested.
Of course, these qualities can make you seem like a less than ideal partner prospect in any relationship. Jealous people can be very possessive and suspicious even in monogamous relationships. So you took on more, probably, than you were ready for. This could be something to look at in therapy to get to the root of.
 
This lady is very immature for someone in her 40s.

But it doesn't seem realistic to date someone online who lives on another continent so there is no realistic way of having an in-person relationship. Or at least, that kind of thing could be fun if you keep things light and casual, but getting that serious and intense and jealous is just a recipe for misery.

The fact that she let (or actively encouraged) that kind of emotional intensity develop in an online connection is sign of her extreme immaturity at best, her outright cruelty at worst. I think she took advantage of your relative youngness and vulnerability. However, it also seems like you were demanding, insecure, and possessive in a way that doesn't make sense for a purely online relationship with someone who is openly non-monogamous.

Regardless of whether she is poly, it makes sense that she got involved with someone she can actually meet in real life.

You too should be trying to focus on dating in real life. This level of online drama is not how healthy adults live their lives. I'm sure there are better things out there for you.

I'm sorry that you went through this.
 
Hello blaze777,

It seems like this older woman had strong NRE for you at first, but then the NRE kind of faded away. To put a finer point on it, she seems to have lost all feelings she once had for you, and now she feels nothing. Which is why she can say and do hurtful things to you now, and not care about it. She probably didn't admit she was replacing you with someone else, because she didn't want to deal with the hassle of you being upset. And she didn't think things through, so it didn't occur to her that you were going to be upset later on anyway.

I'm sorry you're going through this. The way she's treated you is not normal. I hope you can move on, and get some healing. I know you feel like giving up on love, and I don't blame you for that, but please don't give up. There are people out there who will love you sincerely.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
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