Monogamy, polyamory, jealousy, and cross roads

Beancandy

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I have been in a situationship that I could really use some advice on. To start, me and my partner matched online exactly 2 years ago in September. We didn't go on our first date until November and we really clicked instantly. He asked me to be his girlfriend in February and we remained monogamous for a full year and some change.

In October of last year, I expressed feelings of regret, an emptiness concerning my sexuality as a pansexual woman, and seeking experiences and connections with other women, so proposed having an open relationship. We laid down a few boundaries, but now reflecting on it, didn't lay down enough boundaries, expectations, and comfort levels and how often we should revisit those conversations, as our thoughts and feelings changed over time.

The open relationship was very one-sided, in the sense that I started seeking different people to meet and go on dates with. Inevitably, over the course of six months, I have a partner now, with a few dates under my belt. But overall our communication was great and our relationship was thriving in every way.

Seeing that this was our first experience with trying anything other than monogamy, there was inevitable jealousy and frustration. That only came when I asked about just hanging out with an old high school friend. (He and I had done theater together in high school some years back.)

Admittedly, I wasn't being attentive to his intrusive thoughts and expressions of jealousy from the dates with my friend, which over time left a bad impression on him and turned into resentment and anger.

In combination with his cis friends hounding him to try to meet someone, he made the plunge. So at that point we were 6 months in. I have one partner and my friend who just enjoys spending time with me. He, on the other hand, wasn't doing anything other then messaging one women here through text, as well as actively looking in dating apps, but overall, not taking things too seriously, which was emotionally manageable for me. But soon, over the course of a month, things moved very quickly (at least from my perspective) from texting. A week later they met and had dinner, skip a week and they are now meeting at his place, skip another week to finally proposing sex.

The transition from "She's only a friend; I am not interested in sex with her," to "I have her paperwork and we are going to be sleeping with each other our next meeting," was very jarring and fast for me. Of course, considering this was my first experience going through those feelings, I wasn't showing my best colors and was consistently having intrusive thoughts and bouts of anger/sadness over the jealousy I was experiencing. After the initial meeting, they proceeded to have sex another 3 times over the course of a month and half, before we reached an emotional breaking point.

The consistent neglect and disregard for my feelings was at this point being done out of spite and jealousy because of the negative thoughts he was having still. He basically told me because of my disregard of his feelings, and the fear of him losing me to a woman, he felt that finally going through with it could possibly push down those feelings. But rather then a supportive and reassuring approach after he started, what I actually received was reassurance one moment, but then, in the same breath, because he was tired of seeing me cry and be in distress would tell me to "Just deal with it," "This is something you'll have to get over on your own."

After a month and a half me breaking down crying far too often, and the dynamic placing strain on our connection and overall relationship, he decided to cut off his partner for good. But that same night he gave me an ultimatum of choosing him or one of my partners (with which I had built a genuine connection at this point, being months and months in). This choice felt extremely unfair and heartbreaking, considering I told him from the very beginning that this was what I wanted. It felt unfair for him to make me choose.

I never gave a direct response, but he could tell I didn't want to choose, and this set him off, because it felt like I was choosing her over him. Since then, we have been in limbo. We are not dating publicly, but still spending most of our days together going on dates, and overall moving as if things haven’t changed. But because of all of the mental and emotional stress from a month and a half of crying and consistent heated arguments. as well as him admitting that he used a whole person as a weapon to get back at me because I wasn't being attentive to his feelings regarding the man, as well as maliciously detailing his sexual experiences with her and actively telling me the things that get him off that I just can't do for him (he would always say women didn't threaten him but men were a different story), I haven't felt the spark or wanted to sleep with him or my partner. It's been 3 months since then and I haven't hardly had sex with either of them because of how romantically and emotionally disconnected I've been feeling from my primary relationship.

The crossroads I am at right now is simply deciding if the trauma I felt for so long has left too much of a wound for me to try again with him. He expressed about 2 weeks ago that he is only interested in a polyamorous relationship with me as his primary partner that he would build a life with and marry, but also have other connections, sexual or not.

In theory, this sounds like exactly what I want right now, because of my yearning feelings of exploration and meeting different people, as well as the life stage I am at, being 24. But because I was never properly reassured or validated, and given time to adjust to the changes and feelings (mind you, he was coping for months, while I only had 3 weeks), I am still struggling with the insecurity and jealousy. But I know I can grow from this. It's just that I am afraid, to say the least.

When I hurt, I hurt deeply, especially when it's from the people who say they care for and love me. I am struggling with my decision because I want things to be done right this time, but I am afraid of the same outcome.

I have fears that I'll get hurt again, even though he has expressed to me the things we will actively do better and has apologized for what was done and said over that period.

So tell me-- what do you guys think?
 
I have been in a situationship that I could really use some advice on. To start, me and my partner matched online exactly 2 years ago in September. We didn't go on our first date until November and we really clicked instantly. He asked me to be his girlfriend in February and we remained monogamous for a full year and some change.

In October of last year, I expressed feelings of regret an emptiness concerning my sexuality as a pansexual woman, and seeking experiences and connections with other women, so proposed having an open relationship. We laid down a few boundaries, but now reflecting on it, didn't lay down enough boundaries, expectations, and comfort levels and how often we should revisit those conversations, as our thoughts and feelings changed over time.

The open relationship was very one-sided, in the sense that I started seeking different people to meet go on dates with, and inevitably over the course of six months have a partner now, with a few dates under my belt. But overall our communication was great and our relationship was thriving in every way.

Seeing that this was our first experience trying anything other than monogamy, there was the inevitable jealousy and frustration. That only came when I asked about just hanging out with an old high school friend. (He and I had done theater together in high school some years back.)

Admittedly, I wasn't being attentive to his intrusive thoughts and and expressions of jealousy from the dates with my friend, which over time left a bad impression on him and turned into resentment and anger.

In combination with his cis friends hounding him to try to meet someone, he made the plunge. So at that point we were 6 months in. I have one partner and my friend, who just enjoys spending time with me.

He, on the other hand, wasn't doing anything other then messaging one women here through text, as well as actively looking in dating apps, but overall not taking things too seriously, which was emotionally manageable for me. But soon after, over the course of a month, things moved very quickly (at least from my perspective) from texting. A week later they met and had dinner, skip a week and they are now meeting at his place, skip another week, finally proposing sex.

The transition from "She's only a friend; I am not interested in sex with her" to "I have her paperwork and we are going to be sleeping with each other our next meeting," was very jarring and fast for me. Of course, considering this was my first experience going through those feelings, I wasn't showing my best colors and was consistently having intrusive thoughts and bouts of anger/sadness over the jealousy I was experiencing. After the initial meeting, they proceeded to have sex another 3 times over the course of a month and half before we reached an emotional breaking point.

The consistent neglect and disregard for my feelings were at this point being done out of spite and jealousy because of the negative thoughts he was having still. He basically told me that, because of my disregard of his feelings, and the fear of losing me to a woman, he felt that finally going through with it could possibly push down those feelings. But rather then a supportive and reassuring approach after he started, what I actually received was reassurance one moment, but then, in the same breath, because he was tired of seeing me cry and be in distress, he would tell me to "Just deal with it," This is something you'll have to get over on your own."

After a month and a half me breaking down crying far too often and the dynamic placing strain on our connection and overall relationship, he decided to cut off his partner for good. But that same night, he gave me an ultimatum of choosing him or one of my partners (with which I had built a genuine connection with at this point, being months and months in). This choice felt extremely unfair and heartbreaking, considering I told him from the very beginning that this was what I wanted and it felt unfair for him to make me choose.

I never gave a direct response, but he could tell I didn't want to choose. This set him off because it felt like I was choosing her over him. Since then, we have been in a limbo, not dating publicly, but still spending most of our days together, going on dates, and overall moving as if things haven’t changed. But because of all of the mental and emotional stress from a month and a half of crying and consistent heated arguments, as well as him admitting that he used a whole person as a weapon to get back at me, because I wasn't being attentive to his feelings regarding the man, as well as maliciously detailing his sexual experiences with her and actively telling me the things that get him off that I just can't do for him (he would always say women didn't threaten him but men were a different story). I
haven't felt the spark or want to sleep with him or my partner. It's been 3 months since then, and I haven't hardly had sex with either of them, because of how romantically and emotionally disconnected I've been feeling from my primary relationship.

The crossroads I am at right now is simply deciding if the trauma I felt for so long has left too much of a wound for me to try again with him. He expressed about 2 weeks ago that he is only interested in a polyamorous relationship with me as his primary partner that he would build a life with and marry, but also have other connections, sexual or not.

In theory this sounds like exactly what I want right now, because of my yearning feelings of exploration and meeting different people, as well as the life stage I am at, being 24. But because I was never properly reassured validated, and given time to adjust to the changes and feelings (mind you, he was coping for months while I only had 3 weeks), I am still struggling with the insecurity and jealousy. But I know I can grow from it. It's just that I am afraid. to say the least.

When I hurt, I hurt deeply, especially when it's from people who say they care for and love me. I am struggling with my decision because I want things to be done right this time, but I am afraid of the same outcome.

I have fears that I'll get hurt again, even though he has expressed to me the things we will actively do better and has apologized for what was done and said over that period.

So tell me-- what do you guys think?

I think he should consider if he wants to try again with you. You really haven't been great here.
We laid down a few boundaries
What were these rules?
The consistent neglect and disregard for my feelings were, at this point, being done out of spite and jealousy because of the negative thoughts he was having still.
I'm not sure what he should have done. Who said you get to set the pace? You see, for a lot of us here, once you decide to "open," we'd be expecting dates and sex to occur. It sounds like he got some STD results from her. So at this point is the problem just that it wasn't going at your chosen pace?
this choice felt extremely unfair and heartbreaking, considering I told him from the very beginning that this was what I wanted and it felt unfair for him to make me choose.
Why is it unfair? You can't handle him having other partners, so why should he handle you having them? You may not have given him an ultimatum, but you made it really difficult for him to date, while enjoying multiple relationships yourself. That doesn't show you in a positive light.
He expressed about 2 weeks ago that he is only interested in a polyamorous relationship with me as his primary partner that he would build a life with and marry, but also have other connections, sexual or not.
You've not shown yourself to be compatible with that and that is the ultimate factor. He hasn't either, but we are talking about you. You can only change yourself.

Some of the ways you think are really self-centered. I'm not saying he's perfect, but you managed to still keep the two relationships/friendships that challenged him, but it was made impossible for him to continue his. That says something.

And the way you talk is as if you think the things you want are right, the right way to do this, and that's a really hard mindset to change, especially if you're of a certain age (ignore me, I'm a boomer) and listen to the kinds of messages that tell "strong women" what they "deserve" in their heteronormative relationships.
 
I think it all boils down to both of you being new to polyamory and struggling with fears of loss, which is what jealousy really is. Neither of you believe your partner is capable of being committed to the other, while building relationships with other people at the same time.

I am going to give everyone nicknames for ease of reading.

Your bf: Eric
Your gf/partner: Heather
Your high school male friend, Bob
Eric's new gf: Bonnie

You felt Eric moved too fast with Bonnie, from texting to sex. Eric was fine with you dating Heather, but got overwhelmed when you reconnected with Bob, even though it wasn't sexual (at least yet).

Many, if not most, men who open a mono relationship with their female partner feel better about her dating a woman than if she were dating a man. There is the whole patriarchy behind these feelings. FF relationships aren't "real;" a man fucking "my woman" is competition and I feel like a cuckold; etc. But men need to get over this. Modern polyamory is a woman-led movement. The whole point is women have sex with whoever they want, men as well as other women, just as men were allowed to do. Polygyny is still legal in some countries. Polyandry is much more rare.

And everyone will differ as to what feels more threatening: their partner having emotions towards another, or having sex with another.

Maybe you took longer than three dates to have sex with Heather. You felt like Eric and Bonnie moved too fast for your comfort. But it is quite common in this day and age for people to have sex on the first, second or third date.

It's much easier in a poly relationship to be the one dating others. Once your partner starts to date, you'll go through those early fears and jealousies. But you won't conquer your fears by attempting to micromanage your partner's dating style. You can request they move more slowly, but they might not be comfortable agreeing with your request.

It's understandable how Eric got frustrated with your melt-downs and went from reassuring you to wanting you to "get over it." Of course, you can't just "get over" feelings. You have to work through them. Maybe venting here helped. Maybe reading more about the common speed bumps in polyamory would help. I recommend the books Opening Up, Designer Relationships, and Polysecure.
 
Your partner possibly felt he had to disconnect from you emotionally to deal with you having other partners. For me (I'm more mono-leaning, and I learned this the hard way) I have to disconnect quite a bit in order to even WANT to pursue others. Frankly, if I'm given enough impetus to actually start going off with someone else, I'm probably on my way out of the original r'ship.

Your partner's "cis friends" (that was an odd note, do you feel the trans community would've advised him differently?) urged him to find someone of his own because, most likely, he communicated to them that he felt a power imbalance. As in, "because my partner has two sources of love/sex, they don't need me as much as I need them, as they are my only source of love/sex." This can create a scarcity mindset around love/sex and cause a great deal of resentment.

He was successful in finding another partner, who you call the "human weapon" (jeez I hope he at least treated them decently, though the fact he told you about sex with them in graphic detail seems disrespectful to you both.) But that seems to have backfired, causing more strife and disconnection.

Maybe your partner doesn't really want a polyship, but sure a.f. doesn't want to be mono in a polyship? Maybe you would rather just be the only one with multiple partners? Hey, not pretty but honest. That way you don't have to deal with your own jealousy and insecurity, just reap the validation of having multiple partners. I get it...Who wouldn't want that?

You guys are young, you're going to get better at this. But sounds like a lot of resentment and instability happening here. Maybe time to take a step back and get very honest with yourselves and each other.
 
I think he should consider if he wants to try again with you. You really haven't been great here.

What were these rules?

I'm not sure what he should have done. Who said you get to set the pace? You see, for a lot of us here, once you decide to "open," we'd be expecting dates and sex to occur. It sounds like he got some STD results from her. So at this point is the problem just that it wasn't going at your chosen pace?

Why is it unfair? You can't handle him having other partners, so why should he handle you having them? You may not have given him an ultimatum, but you made it really difficult for him to date, while enjoying multiple relationships yourself. That doesn't show you in a positive light.

You've not shown yourself to be compatible with that and that is the ultimate factor. He hasn't either, but we are talking about you. You can only change yourself.

Some of the ways you think are really self-centered. I'm not saying he's perfect, but you managed to still keep the two relationships/friendships that challenged him, but it was made impossible for him to continue his. That says something.

And the way you talk is as if you think the things you want are right, the right way to do this, and that's a really hard mindset to change, especially if you're of a certain age (ignore me, I'm a boomer) and listen to the kinds of messages that tell "strong women" what they "deserve" in their heteronormative relationships.
Thank you I appreciate you being very candid and direct with your thoughts. I see my mistakes now after posting on a few forums and getting many different perspectives and I think this is boiling down to letting go and doing some self reflection. Thank you thank you thank you.
 
Your partner possibly felt he had to disconnect from you emotionally to deal with you having other partners. For me (I'm more mono-leaning, and I learned this the hard way) I have to disconnect quite a bit in order to even WANT to pursue others. Frankly, if I'm given enough impetus to actually start going off with someone else, I'm probably on my way out of the original r'ship.

Your partner's "cis friends" (that was an odd note, do you feel the trans community would've advised him differently?) urged him to find someone of his own because, most likely, he communicated to them that he felt a power imbalance. As in, "because my partner has two sources of love/sex, they don't need me as much as I need them, as they are my only source of love/sex." This can create a scarcity mindset around love/sex and cause a great deal of resentment.

He was successful in finding another partner, who you call the "human weapon" (jeez I hope he at least treated them decently, though the fact he told you about sex with them in graphic detail seems disrespectful to you both.) But that seems to have backfired, causing more strife and disconnection.

Maybe your partner doesn't really want a polyship, but sure a.f. doesn't want to be mono in a polyship? Maybe you would rather just be the only one with multiple partners? Hey, not pretty but honest. That way you don't have to deal with your own jealousy and insecurity, just reap the validation of having multiple partners. I get it...Who wouldn't want that?

You guys are young, you're going to get better at this. But sounds like a lot of resentment and instability happening here. Maybe time to take a step back and get very honest with yourselves and each other
 
I didn’t realize I was using cis incorrectly but thank you that’s not at all what I meant. I should have just said straight and mono leaning.
 
I'm sorry you struggle. I hope you feel a bit better for the vent. As to what I think, to me it sounds like this. (I could be wrong in my impressions. You are the one actually there. You know what you deal with.)

You and "Eric" met in Sept 2021 and started dating in Nov 2021. He asked you to be his GF in Feb 2022. You two were monogamous for a year and change.

In Oct 2022, you suggested having an open relationship. Not enough preparation, not enough boundaries or check-in times, both jumping in kinda blind.

You found a GF, "Heather." Then you wanted to hang out with your HS friend "Bob" and Eric got vocal, since that's a guy and not a woman. He could not hide it any more. He doesn't really want to be doing this.

You weren't attentive and maybe caught up in NRE for Bob. Eric started feeling jealous, resentful, angry. Or maybe you WERE attentive, just that Eric wants over-the-top attention, and doesn't like you having other people in your life.

A lot of poly hell stuff going on, from the sound of it, on some levels.


Eric started dating on his side mostly to "get even." Or to use sex with new people to "bury his feelings," (not great for Bonnie or for you), texting Bonnie for a month, and then dating and sharing sex somewhere in the second month.

Now the shoe was on the other foot -- you were feeling jealous, angry, sad, etc. Eric was coming at it like: "You weren't sensitive to me when I was there, so why should I be sensitive to you?"

Eric eventually broke up and discarded Bonnie and wanted you to do same with your partners -- dump them all and pick him. You didn't ask him to dump Bonnie and you didn't want to dump your partners. You want to continue with poly. Eric does not. He admitted that he used a whole person as a weapon to get back at you because you weren't being attentive to his feelings regarding your friend Bob. Eric also would maliciously detail his sexual experiences with Bonnie to hurt you. Eric would actively tell you the things that get him off that you just can't do for him. Basically a lot of mean-spirited and possible mentally/verbally abusive sounding stuff.

You feel traumatized by Eric and his behaviors.
Now you are trying to decide if you even want to keep trying with him.

Eric told you 2 weeks ago that he is only interested in a polyamorous relationship with you as his primary partner, that he would build a life with and marry you, but also have other connections, sexual or not. What's that even MEAN? He wants you putting him as your primary, loyal to him? And he does what, have other people on the side for just him?

What suddenly changed in Eric that he would be a GOOD and HEALTHY partner in general, or skilled at poly? Or is this just gonna be part 2 of wonky stuff?

You are afraid of Eric. Could listen to that fear and not go there again for more wonky. You could break up with him, heal from this traumatic experience, and go practice poly with people who are more up-front, less angry, and less prone to traumatizing you and "weaponizing" their interactions with others.

You are only 24. There's much life to live yet. You don't have to make any big promises here to Eric, especially if the first go-round was pretty ugh.

How about not promising anything at all, no relationship, no primary-secondary model, nothing? Then neither one of you is hurting the other one anymore. You just walk away.


When I hurt, I hurt deeply, especially when it's from the people who say they care for and love me. I am struggling with my decision because I want things to be done right this time, but I am afraid of the same outcome.

Eric says he loves you, but in actions he hurts you. When words and actions do not match believe actions. People can lie, and talk is cheap when not backed up by matching actions.

There's stuff you did that wasn't great either, but pointing fingers is pointless when neither one of you is happy here. It can be solved the fastest by calling it DONE and walking away. Then neither one of you hurts the other one any more. Both can be at peace.

Yes, breaking up comes with some grief, but that's to be expected and is normal in a break-up. And once healed from the break up, both are free to seek more compatible people.

If you basically vote "no confidence" in a 2nd try with Eric being any different? He kind of scares you? You worry it would just be signing up for more of same wonky with him? It's ok to decline and NOT SIGN UP. Just break up.

I have fears that I'll get hurt again, even though he has expressed to me the things we will actively do better and has apologized for what was done and said over that period.

So tell me-- what do you guys think?

It's ok to say you appreciate the apology. But no, you do not want to try again. You prefer to part ways and wish him well in his future connections.

You are not obligated to give people second chances. It's ok to just be done.

Maybe this helps you assess.


Aim for HEALTHY relationships. Not weird or wonky ones.


You deserve to be treated well.

It's ok to be new to poly, but if the experience with Eric left you TRAUMATIZED, it's ok not to sign up again with him, even if he promises he's changed.

It gets too close to the cycle of abuse, and this being the fake roses part of the honeymoon period. It's ok to get out of that.

Whatever lessons he learned, hopefully he treats his next partner BETTER than he treated you or Bonnie.

And for you? Whatever he does next, you are well out of it and safe. If you are scared of him and feel traumatized, it's ok to walk away.

That's what I think. You two are not compatible, and it would be better to just quit.

Galagirl
 
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Hello Beancandy,

It sounds like you and your partner have both experienced jealousy towards each other, like you both want to experience polyamory, but you do not want each other to experience polyamory. This has led to some revenge relationships, as you specifically want each other to experience jealousy, and find out how that is.

You need to let each other have some poly relationships, even if it causes some jealousy within you, you need to show each other that you are able to consent with each other having a poly relationship even if it makes you feel jealous. Do not let the jealousy stop you from consenting to your partner's having a poly relationships.

Do not stay with Eric if he is abusing you.
Regards,
Kevin T.
 
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