My partner and my meta don’t communicate

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My metamour, Leo, would rather be monogamous (I know this because we’ve talked about it in confidence), but tolerates my partner, Isabelle, being polyamorous, because he’s afraid that if he tells her how he really feels she’ll leave him. Isabelle doesn’t know this, or at the very least is in denial about it. I hate this situation, and I know it’s unhealthy, but I don’t know what to do—I’m afraid that any way I try to interact with it will go horribly wrong.
Short of breaking up with Isabelle, which I’d obviously rather not do, what are my options?
 
Are you close friends with the meta? Or is the polyship the only reason you associate?
 
Are you close friends with the meta? Or is the polyship the only reason you associate?
We’ve been friends since before I started dating my partner. Actually, it’s quite possible we’d be closer if I wasn’t dating Isabelle.
 
Reframe it - Leo is making an autonomous choice to stay with Isabelle because breaking up seems a worse option than tolerating polyamory.
I agree. The bad thing (probably) is, she doesn’t know. (Although, can you really know that?) But, that is their relationship problem.

Question: What part of the situation does impact you and how? Where does your discomfort come from?

Maybe you can find something under your influence there…
 
I agree.
The bad thing (probably) is, she doesn’t know. (Although, can you really know that?) But, that is their relationship problem.

Question: What part of the situation does impact you and how? Where does your discomfort come from?

Maybe you can find something under your influence there…
That’s a very good question. I guess the reason it impacts me is that I care about Leo. I want him to be happy, and I don’t think he’s happy in this situation.
 
That’s a very good question. I guess the reason it impacts me is that I care about Leo. I want him to be happy, and I don’t think he’s happy in this situation.
Oh yes, that’s hard.

Maybe you can help him explore options, if he is willing.
 
Hello blue,

Isabelle is polyamorous. Leo is monogamous. Leo doesn't want to be in a mono/poly relationship. All this, to me, adds up to Leo needing to break up with Isabelle. But the key thing, here, is that none of this is your responsibility. You are polyamorous. Isabelle is polyamorous. You are satisfied with your relationship with Isabelle. All that, to me, adds up to you not needing to do a thing. This is for Leo and Isabelle to figure out. And if their solution is to choose not to communicate, well, that's their business. Let them work things out in whatever way they prefer, even if it's not healthy. Your best move is to just distance yourself from that situation.

Easier said than done, I know.
Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
If I understand it correctly, though, Adam is not monogamous, at least not at the moment - his partners are Isabelle and Blue. So he would need to break up with both or renegotiate agreements with one of them and break up with the other one, if he trully wanted to be monogamous ;)
 
Oh. I didn't think Leo (not Adam) was involved with blue. Maybe I misread that.
 
Edited to delete because of nickname mess-up.
 
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I'm sorry you struggle. Let me repeat back what I understand in my own words. You correct me if I get it wrong, okay? I've put it in blue just to block it off.

You are participating in a poly V with Isabelle (hinge) and Leo (your meta.) In other words, Isabelle is dating the both of you.
You and Leo have talked. Leo confided that he doesn't really want to be doing a poly V. He'd rather participate in a monogamous thing. But he is doing this because he’s afraid that if he tells Isabelle how he really feels she’ll leave him.
Isabelle doesn't know Leo feels this way, or she knows, but isn't doing anything about it.
You hate being put in the middle like this. You think it's an unhealthy dynamic. You also don't want to break up with Isabelle.

Is that about it? If so, then, in your shoes, I think I would do this: Tell Leo you are sorry he's struggling, but it really wasn't fair to tell you about it. You cannot be an impartial ear, because you are one of the people INSIDE the poly system. In future, you'd prefer he talk to Isabelle directly about problems with Isabelle, or air it out with people OUTSIDE the system, like a counselor or other friends, to get his thoughts in order before talking to her. Don't tell you, because you are not a "regular friend." You are his metamour and INSIDE the system.

Now that Leo has told you this stuff, and made it your business, does he plan to inform Isabelle, or not?

You set a time limit. You could tell Leo you encourage him to talk to Isabelle directly within the next 2 weeks, or else you will tell her yourself. You can hold his secret for that long, no longer. Leo either does or does not deal with his business. If he wants all three of you to talk, you'd be up for that option too. But this can't drag out. It's not fair to ask you to keep secrets that are hurting someone (Leo himself) or could hurt someone else (Isabelle). You are also hurting now with this knowledge.

Depending on how Leo responds...

A) You wait. Hopefully Leo takes personal responsibility and talks to her within the timeframe.

B) After waiting 2 weeks, or if Leo chooses this, you and Leo ask Isabelle for a time to talk all together. When the appointment comes, you give him a chance to talk first. And if he still doesn't, or wimps out, you lay it on the table. Leo told you that he doesn't really want to be doing poly, but is putting up with it because he's afraid Isabelle will dump him. He overshared with you, and you feel uncomfortable participating in this poly V, now that you know Leo may be doing things he doesn't really want -- like he's doing poly under duress. You and Leo wanted to talk to Isabelle and sort all this out.

C) After waiting 2 weeks, if there is no movement from Leo, you just tell Isabelle. Leo told you he doesn't really want to be doing polyamory, but isn't telling Isabelle because he's scared she will dump him. Instead, he told you. For what purpose? You don't know. But now YOU are uncomfortable participating here, if he's basically doing stuff he really doesn't want to be doing. You told Leo this made you uncomfortable and that you'd prefer he talked to Isabelle directly, and gave him 2 weeks to own it and do it. But he hasn't, and you don't want to drag things out. So now you are informing her.

D) You bow out. Isabelle does nothing/already knew/is okay with Leo doing poly under duress and harming himself. You are not okay participating like that. So even though you don't want to, you break up with Isabelle because you do not feel like doing wonky poly. You prefer it is on the level, with all parties consenting.

There might be other options, but those are all the ones I can see.

Even if other people want to be doing wonky stuff, YOU don't have to.

But yeah. Being put in this position-- it just stinks. I'm sorry this is happening. :( Sigh.

Galagirl
 
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I’m sorry, I messed it all up!
It’s Leo - Isabelle - blue, no Adam involved at all! Sorry!
 
I’m sorry, I messed it all up!
It’s Leo - Isabelle - blue, no Adam involved at all! Sorry!
There's an Adam in another thread and a Blue in yet another, so all these nicknames are overlapping. Maybe people should start taking their nicknames from the other end of the alphabet: Xavier, Yves, and Zack.
 
Thank you all for the advice, it’s really helped me wrap my head around the truth of the situation. Also that I probably should have gone for a different screen name, sorry about that.

My conclusions:
Leo and Isabelle’s relationship issues aren’t my business or my responsibility (the issue in question being that Leo’s relationship dynamic with Isabelle looks very similar to poly under duress, even though Isabelle doesn’t seem to realize that). However, Leo has involved me in the situation by telling me about it. It’s unfair for him to ask me to keep a secret this significant from our shared partner. I’ll explain to him that I don’t feel comfortable with this, and talk with him about options for moving forward.
 
Yup. It isn't really your business, but then Leo made it your business by telling you all this and involving you.

It would be best if Leo would own it and talk to Isabelle, and stop involving you in their dyad stuff in the future. But if he's not gonna own it, you are gonna solve your part of it -- knowing stuff you don't want to know and then helping Leo to keep Isabelle in the dark.

You can tell Isabelle. And there, she's not in the dark. And then it's back in the (Leo + Isabelle) dyad where it belongs, and not with you. They can take it from there.

If people don't like how you handle this, they could not tell you more secret things in the future They will learn you have firm boundaries around secret-keeping: you will NOT keep a secret that is hurting someone or could hurt someone.

Keep your own life simpler.

I don't know how Leo will react/respond to you being firm about your boundaries. When this has happened to me, it's run the gamut from being mad, to scared, to relieved, to a combo.

Stand firm. You do not have to do wonky stuff and avoidance stuff, even if other people want to do that.

Galagirl
 
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