NE Ohio Gal Curious About MFM Dynamics

LibertyBelle

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Hello out there! :) This is super long as I am very wordy but bear with me. :rolleyes:

I'll start by saying I would be new to poly but consider myself pretty openminded. Ultimately this may not be a good fit for me but I am all about exploring right now and seeing what is a good fit.

A little background: always crushed on guys growing up and definitely physically attracted to them but never dated much. Casually dated a few guys in college but even less dating after I graduated (eons ago, mind you :p). Never thought about dating women until I realized I had a crush on the captain of my hockey team (I was in my late 20s). I was open to dating women - love is love to me, regardless of gender - and I was physically attracted to some though I don't know if I was sexually attracted to them, in hindsight.

Dated numerous women over the years - couple months here, a year there, etc. I don't think bisexual was on my radar then though I wish it had been. I never stopped being attracted to men. I just found myself on a path that I blindly followed for a while. I loved the women I was with but there was very little in the way of a sex life. Looking back now I wonder if I didn't feel like women were a "safer" option for me than having to navigate things with men.

Almost all of the women I dated were masculine, or butch as it is sometimes referred to in the gay community. I like masculine energy in women and would not even be attracted to a man that exhibited feminine energy (preferences are ok I hope??). Anyways, some of my partners even started transitioning to male, one now lives completely as a (transgendered) male.

Fast forward to present time. ;) I had been living with my female partner for 10 years and we were going to get married in October. In the last year I have really done a lot of soul searching about relationships, sexuality, gender, etc. My now ex-fiance and I even saw a sex therapist a few times to try and rekindle things but eventually faced the fact that there was nothing there to build on. We are great friends and companions but for us, that was not enough reason to get married.

For me, the closer it got to the wedding, the more anxious I became that I was not sexually satisfied and could I live the rest of my life without passion or desire, something I feel has been lacking in all of my relationships. It was hard to walk away from something that was financially and emotionally stable but I feel I must explore what is out there. I don't believe in soul mates or that we are meant to have only 1 true partner in our lifetime. I understand that some people feel this way but I feel for me, that would be a disservice to the partners that I have had, all of whom I loved in some fashion that was meaningful to us.

Now I am trying to navigate dating men (at 45! :eek:) and feeling woefully inadequate. I have been approached by numerous married men thru dating sites and I am open to that only if they are in an open relationship and their spouse knows. Most have not been and some weren't honest about that either. I get that after 20+ years things become stagnant in a relationship, sex drives vary greatly, etc. and they are looking for some satisfaction. But respect me enough to give me the info up front so I can make an informed decision. I figure (hope?) the poly community would be better about that than your average citizen. ;) And I am open to dating within the context of someone already being partnered with one or more people as long as everyone is on board.

For some reason I am most curious about MMF relationships, possibly because I have dated women and I am not looking to do that again, or at least, not right now. In my mind (with no practical experience, I realize), an ideal situation would have me in a relationship with 2 bisexual men, as I would want all 3 of us to have relationships with each other. That appeals to me more than a V because ultimately, I think I would want us all to live under the same roof. I know that is way down the line and I don't truly know why I am fantasizing about this in my head. Believe it or not, in my mind, it has less to do with sex and more to do with compatibility, varied interests, etc.
 
Hi Liberty Belle,

I am going to hit the "!" in the corner of your OP to get a mod to move your thread to our Relationships section, where it properly belongs. This section is more for simple requests for dates, for the people who mistakenly think this is an online dating site.

Your story is interesting and I'm sure you'll get some comments, feedback, advice.
 
Oy! Thanks, Magdlyn! :) I don't even think I found the Relationships section yet, or didn't realize this should go there. :eek: LOL

Hi Liberty Belle,

I am going to hit the "!" in the corner of your OP to get a mod to move your thread to our Relationships section, where it properly belongs. This section is more for simple requests for dates, for the people who mistakenly think this is an online dating site.

Your story is interesting and I'm sure you'll get some comments, feedback, advice.
 
No worries! In this section no one is allowed to respond unless we are interested in dating the person who posted. lol But you can't be expected to know that.
 
Hi Liberty Belle!

I know I’m not the only person here with a MFM dynamic, so I hope you get some good feedback. My situation is a V, rather than a triad, as my fellas are both straight. One identifies as poly, the other as open-minded mono, but neither have partners other than me right now (or are likely to in the near future; my husband, MonkeyMan, considers himself too busy with his career and co-parenting to date). Their lack of romantic or sexual interest in each other has not turned out to be a barrier to us cohabiting, though. (I’m speaking a little ahead of myself here, as RacingSnail is moving in next summer.)
 
Good morning, sunray, and thanks for sharing some of your story. :) Do you think once next summer is upon you, a schedule of sorts will be set up for one-one-one time? That might be pretty common but I still have a lot more reading up on poly so forgive me. :eek: I could see the need to go on dates, etc and further the bond with each partner. Hopefully that makes sense; I haven't had coffee yet. :p

Hi Liberty Belle!

I know I’m not the only person here with a MFM dynamic, so I hope you get some good feedback. My situation is a V, rather than a triad, as my fellas are both straight. One identifies as poly, the other as open-minded mono, but neither have partners other than me right now (or are likely to in the near future; my husband, MonkeyMan, considers himself too busy with his career and co-parenting to date). Their lack of romantic or sexual interest in each other has not turned out to be a barrier to us cohabiting, though. (I’m speaking a little ahead of myself here, as RacingSnail is moving in next summer.)
 
I know of a few different MFM V’s that live together. I don’t personally, know of any triads in that configuration. My boyfriend and husband are both pansexual and occasionally enjoy threesomes with me. It’s fun, but both of them have acknowledged that they aren’t romantically interested in each other, so a triad is off the table. Eventually living together isn’t off the table, though. Not everyone has to be in a relationship together in order to live together comfortably. The other guy I am seeing is in a V and lives together with his wife and her other partner.
 
For some reason I am most curious about MMF relationships, possibly because I have dated women and I am not looking to do that again, or at least, not right now. In my mind (with no practical experience, I realize), an ideal situation would have me in a relationship with 2 bisexual men, as I would want all 3 of us to have relationships with each other. That appeals to me more than a V because ultimately, I think I would want us all to live under the same roof. I know that is way down the line and I don't truly know why I am fantasizing about this in my head. Believe it or not, in my mind, it has less to do with sex and more to do with compatibility, varied interests, etc.

Hi LB, now that we're in the right place!

I know you are completely new to the idea of polyamory. I hear that you're bisexual.

I think you are getting ahead of yourself in your fantasy about 2 male live-in partners, who are bi and into each other, right off the bat.

And you wouldn't be in a MFM "relationship." You'd be in 2 relationships, one with each guy. And they'd be in a relationship with each other, in this triad scenario. It's a lot to expect, to find a long term triad where all 3 people love and desire each other, forever... It's not just "a" relationship, it's 3 Vs stacked up.

You and GuyA
You and GuyB
Guy A and GuyB
and then the threeway relationship


Probably once you start dating, you could tell your potential partner(s) you aren't interested in monogamy, right away, to make sure they are OK with that. Some men just want casual sex and won't mind if you have other partners. Some men are strictly mono and want a mono gf. Some men actually understand the concept of polyamory (or are willing to learn), and are in a place in their life where they can date and come into relationship with a woman who is not monogamous. He may be mono himself, or he may be poly and want you as well as another gf or two. He may be bi, he may be straight. It's much more common, in MFM relationships, for the guys to be straight and just into their shared hinge. Or maybe only one is bi, and he finds men to date and have sex with outside the V. (So many variables!)

If you find a bi guy, and he's interested in you and also in men, you 2 could "seek a male unicorn." But the unicorn (either male or female) is hard to find, nearly impossible. It's much more likely 2 guys will like each other as friends only.

And of course, you could continue to date women... why rule out being eventually in a relationship with one of each gender? (That's what I like myself, being bi. I live with my female partner of 10 years, and we both also date men.) Of course there are women out there who have strong healthy libidos. (I do, lol)

Anyway, it's fine to fantasize about being the "wife" of 2 men. Some women here have found and created that reality (I haven't seen a triad here where all 3 desire each other.) But since you're new, I'd say it's best to keep your options open and take each guy as an individual. Maybe you'd at least like "kitchen table poly" where each partner is cool with meeting their metamour, hanging out as a threesome sometimes. But, on the other hand, not all one's lovers are going to click, so this doesn't always happen.

Feel free to ask anymore questions here...

Also check out morethantwo.com. It's a good thorough searchable site for polyamory topics, not a discussion board.
 
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Thank you, MsEmotional, for the insight. :) I'm really pondering what you said about not everyone having to be in a relationship to live comfortably together - good advice!

I know of a few different MFM V’s that live together. I don’t personally, know of any triads in that configuration. My boyfriend and husband are both pansexual and occasionally enjoy threesomes with me. It’s fun, but both of them have acknowledged that they aren’t romantically interested in each other, so a triad is off the table. Eventually living together isn’t off the table, though. Not everyone has to be in a relationship together in order to live together comfortably. The other guy I am seeing is in a V and lives together with his wife and her other partner.
 
Do you think once next summer is upon you, a schedule of sorts will be set up for one-one-one time? That might be pretty common but I still have a lot more reading up on poly so forgive me. :eek: I could see the need to go on dates, etc and further the bond with each partner.

Besides open and honest communication, and safer sex, scheduling is the most important thing in poly. You and your partners figure out what works best. Maybe one person is available all weekend, or can come over 2 or 3 nights a week including during the week, while another person is busier with job, or kids, or eldercare, or any number of things, and can only see you every other week.

Maybe you'll really click with one person and end up living with them, but see other partners somewhat less often, since they live 25 (or more) miles away and just can't make the trip that often.

Maybe you'll spend years getting partners only to find there's initial compatibility but not long term compatibility, so you spend months building a relationship only to find out the person really isn't right for you, or you for him. Dating is hard... this has been my experience. I'm so lucky to have my longterm gf, but the longest I've dated a guy has been 2 1/2 years. And I've been on so many first and second dates only to realize it's going nowhere. And since i use OK Cupid to find people, I end up chatting with many people per week (when I am actively looking) but it never even gets to a first date.
 
Wow, you are right, Magdlyn, so many variables!! :eek: :D When you actually lay it out like that (and it's not just in my head-LOL), I can see how difficult it would be to have all of those factors in "alignment." I would always interact with a partner as an individual, not an entity. I have a twin sister and know all too well what it was like growing up and being thought of as one unit rather than 2 people (from friends, not family). Definitely food for thought.

Hi LB, now that we're in the right place!

I know you are completely new to the idea of polyamory. I hear that you're bisexual.

I think you are getting ahead of yourself in your fantasy about 2 male live-in partners, who are bi and into each other, right off the bat.

And you wouldn't be in a MFM "relationship." You'd be in 2 relationships, one with each guy. And they'd be in a relationship with each other, in this triad scenario. It's a lot to expect, to find a long term triad where all 3 people love and desire each other, forever... It's not just "a" relationship, it's 3 Vs stacked up.

You and GuyA
You and GuyB
Guy A and GuyB
and then the threeway relationship


Probably once you start dating, you could tell your potential partner(s) you aren't interested in monogamy, right off the bat, to make sure they are OK with that. Some men just want casual sex and won't mind if you have other partners. Some men are strictly mono and want a mono gf. Some men actually understand the concept of polyamory (or are willing to learn), and are in a place in their life where they can date and come into relationship with a woman who is not monogamous. He may be mono himself, or he may be poly and want you as well as another gf or two. He may be bi, he may be straight. It's much more common, in MFM relationships, for the guys to be straight and just into their shared hinge. Or maybe only one is bi, and he finds men to date and have sex with outside the V. (So many variables!)

If you find a bi guy, and he's interested in you and also in men, you 2 could "seek a male unicorn." But the unicorn (either male or female) is hard to find, nearly impossible. It's much more likely 2 guys will like each other as friends only.

And of course, you could continue to date women... why rule out being eventually in a relationship with one of each gender? (That's what I like myself, being bi. I live with my female partner of 10 years, and we both also date men.) Of course there are women out there who have strong healthy libidos. (I do, lol)

Anyway, it's fine to fantasize about being the "wife" of 2 men. Some women here have found and created that reality (I haven't seen a triad here where all 3 desire each other.) But since you're new, I'd say it's best to keep your options open and take each guy as an individual. Maybe you'd at least like "kitchen table poly" where each partner is cool with meeting their metamour, hanging out as a threesome sometimes. But, on the other hand, not all one's lovers are going to click, so this doesn't always happen.

Feel free to ask anymore questions here...

Also check out morethantwo.com. It's a good thorough searchable site for polyamory topics, not a discussion board.
 
Glad to know I'm not the only one who never gets to first dates on OKCupid (or PoF). :( And I agree, dating is hard. I never did much of it, kind of floated from one short(er) term relationship to another, and didn't look during the in between times. I see what you're saying about scheduling, availability, etc.

Besides open and honest communication, and safer sex, scheduling is the most important thing in poly. You and your partners figure out what works best. Maybe one person is available all weekend, or can come over 2 or 3 nights a week including during the week, while another person is busier with job, or kids, or eldercare, or any number of things, and can only see you every other week.

Maybe you'll really click with one person and end up living with them, but see other partners somewhat less often, since they live 25 (or more) miles away and just can't make the trip that often.

Maybe you'll spend years getting partners only to find there's initial compatibility but not long term compatibility, so you spend months building a relationship only to find out the person really isn't right for you, or you for him. Dating is hard... this has been my experience. I'm so lucky to have my longterm gf, but the longest I've dated a guy has been 2 1/2 years. And I've been on so many first and second dates only to realize it's going nowhere. And since i use OK Cupid to find people, I end up chatting with many people per week (when I am actively looking) but it never even gets to a first date.
 
I have been with my husband Butch for 17 years and my other husband Murf for it 7 years in May. Both of my guys consider themselves monogamous. And they are both heterosexual.

We do not all live under one roof. My guys like being masters of their own domain. So I own homes with both and split my time 50/50 between the two.
 
Dagferi, thanks for sharing this. Longterm relations make my heart smile. :) Did you always know you were wired for poly relationships? Do your husbands wish they could spend more time with you (if you discuss this with them)?

I have been with my husband Butch for 17 years and my other husband Murf for it 7 years in May. Both of my guys consider themselves monogamous. And they are both heterosexual.

We do not all live under one roof. My guys like being masters of their own domain. So I own homes with both and split my time 50/50 between the two.
 
I have always been poly inclined. Before 17 years ago I was a serial monogamist. I am not enjoy casual sex so I went fron relationship to relationship instead of cheating. Butch is the one who pointed out polyamory to me

Just because someone is in a relationship doesn't mean they have to be the center of their partners life. It is healthy to have a life of your own. In another words.. Neither of my husbands need to be attached to my hip.

They are comfortable and like time to themselves. They both have hobbiesand friends outside of me.
 
Hi LibertyBelle,

As it happens, I am in an MFM V and the three of us all live together in one house. I have my own bedroom (with an attached bath) and spend a lot of my time in it, but both of us guys (het) are friends with each other, often watch stuff together on TV, and the three of us share our dinners together and often go out together. If you have any questions about our life together let me know, or really any questions about anything I'd be happy to answer.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks, Kevin, for sharing a bit of your story. I will keep you in mind when it comes to questions. I am curious by nature. ;)

Hi LibertyBelle,

As it happens, I am in an MFM V and the three of us all live together in one house. I have my own bedroom (with an attached bath) and spend a lot of my time in it, but both of us guys (het) are friends with each other, often watch stuff together on TV, and the three of us share our dinners together and often go out together. If you have any questions about our life together let me know, or really any questions about anything I'd be happy to answer.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I am the hinge in a MFM Vee that lives together where, like MsEmotional, they are up for the occasional threesome but not romantically or sexually interested in each other (but consider themselves best friends and "heterosexual lifemates"). We don't "schedule" alone time per se - if someone wants one-on-one time they ask for it, and our schedules are out of sync and flexible enough to accommodate requests.:rolleyes:

Our relationship is "open" in that there are no rules other than "safer sex" about dating outside of the Vee. Dude is always looking, I keep my eyes open for a female partner (for sex or a relationship), and MrS just drifts along and is happy with whatever life brings along. I believe all three of us appreciate being able to keep all options open and not having to strictly define our relationships with other people according to some predetermined role - other polycules are more comfortable with defined parameters of "where things stand".

JaneQ
 
Thank you so much for sharing this, Jane. :) It's fascinating how different the dynamics are within each household/V/triad but all seem to work smoothly and in the best interest of those involved.

I am the hinge in a MFM Vee that lives together where, like MsEmotional, they are up for the occasional threesome but not romantically or sexually interested in each other (but consider themselves best friends and "heterosexual lifemates"). We don't "schedule" alone time per se - if someone wants one-on-one time they ask for it, and our schedules are out of sync and flexible enough to accommodate requests.:rolleyes:

Our relationship is "open" in that there are no rules other than "safer sex" about dating outside of the Vee. Dude is always looking, I keep my eyes open for a female partner (for sex or a relationship), and MrS just drifts along and is happy with whatever life brings along. I believe all three of us appreciate being able to keep all options open and not having to strictly define our relationships with other people according to some predetermined role - other polycules are more comfortable with defined parameters of "where things stand".

JaneQ
 
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