New Poly Advice Please

TransBabyPoly

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I've been reading through this forum a bit and am curious about your thoughts with on current situation. (Strap in, it's a long one.)

About 11 months ago, my partner, Red (32f) of 11 years blindsided me (36MtF) that she was poly and wanted to open the relationship. (We lived together the whole time.) It was a full ultimatum of "this happens, or it's over." After a few hours of contemplation and talking, we decided to hold off until I was able to process this and see if poly was for me. (I'd never considered it before,) She encouraged me to talk to other people, set up dates, etc., but I was struggling with it because I was still processing and learning about the poly world.

About a month later, she invited a coworker (Blue) and her girlfriend over to just hang for a double date. Two days later, the Blue's gf broke up with her. Red invited Blue over so we could cheer her up by hanging out. We all clicked and hung out a lot for about 2-3 weeks. One day, Red asked me if I liked Blue, because she was crushing on her, and I answered honestly, yes, but needed time to process these new feelings and situation. Two hangouts later, Red asked Blue to be in a triad with us.

I was shocked and hurt by this... which should have been red flag #2.

The triad started well, but Red was all about Blue. She quickly became Red's focus in every aspect. After about two weeks, I talked with Red and explained that I was still having issues with the situation. We decided to have a full meeting. Blue was very understanding and agreed my feelings were valid, as she was getting overwhelmed as well. This didn't seem to register with Red. For the next couple weeks, it was hot and heavy with sexual activity. Then, out of nowhere, Red came to me and said she wanted to deescalate with Blue. When I inquired why, she stated was that it had moved too fast and she hadn't had time to really get to know her... so she did... kind of.

Blue was kept at arm's distance from then onward, until about 3 months ago. During that time, she and I became a lot closer, and Red and I started to fade. When I approached Red about it, she stated she just wasn't sure with Blue. She wanted to date other people, but not break it off with Blue. (She never did, as far as we knew, but she always liked to mention she was talking with somebody new and how much she liked them, which changed every few weeks.)

Now in the ~ last month, Red finally pulled the trigger and ended it with Blue. Blue was crushed, as she was trying to repair that side of the triangle. Blue and I stayed together. It got messy for a bit. My relationship with Red was struggling very badly at this point. (I feel mostly because I was thrown into something I wasn't ready for yet. I take full responsibility for getting myself involved, anyway.)

During the shakeup of the ~ last month, about two days after breaking it off with Blue, Red asked if it was okay to go out dating other people without me. I was hurt and confused. Two days after dumping somebody and their original partnership on VERY unstable ground, they wanted to go be with other people. Okay... I was in a separate relationship at that point, and figured it was only fair. (I did have my hang-ups still, going from mono to triad to poly so quickly. I never really had time to process a lot of the chaos that went with it, including my first threesome, her being romantically involved with someone else, etc. I voiced these concerns, but still gave my blessing, as previously mentioned.)

Red and I began to have more issues (including financial) and we decided that I should get my own place, because her name was on the lease and her parents would help her cover rent, but not if I lived there. (Her parents and I never got along.) We stressed very strongly to each other that we were still partnered, all discussed ground rules were still in place, etc.

And finally, why I'm here for advice (sorry for the long backstory, but feel it's relevant):

I got back from a business trip late on a Saturday, gone since early, early Tuesday. Red mentioned she'd scheduled a hangout with a new person (Green) she'd started talking to about a week before I left on the trip on Sunday. She stressed it was completely platonic because she was in no emotional or mental state to date and that Green was aware of this. I moved out on Wednesday. By Sunday (one week after first meeting and first time I've seen her in person since moving) Red told me that they were going to pursue a possible romantic relationship. I asked if that was why I hadn't been able to see her, because she's been "so busy lately," and she confirmed it. I inquired if we could have a couple evenings together because I missed them. Again, busy schedule, because they made plans for every day except Wednesday (one week from move) and a "maybe Saturday if she doesn't want to do anything." This hurt.

So when she came over Wednesday, I broke down. I relayed that I felt pushed aside and not an important part of her life anymore, that I was worried this was the end. She mentioned that Green (they're still not official yet) had stayed over every night since I left at that point, which is why she was so busy. Big hurt there.

We decided to do an overnight Friday into Saturday anyway, because we needed the time together (but only if her new roommate, Purple [not in the romantic scene with this] didn't have band practice, so she and he could hang, out since they hadn't had the chance because of the new friend). Purple did not have practice, so there was no overnight for me on Friday. I had a random brain worm that evening at around 9 p.m. and while we were texting, asked her if Green was over there. She said yes, she'd just showed up. My heart just dropped.

So that brings us to Saturday (just yesterday). Red came over 2 hours after we had planned. I explained that I really felt blown off, dismissed, and extremely hurt. We'd had plans, and I was shoved aside because of Green. She agreed it wasn't right and apologized. We continued on our day together.

Green kept popping up in conversation. At one point, I mentioned that I felt like the new relationship was happening very fast and I wanted Red to be safe. She agreed and even mentioned she was concerned she was being love bombed. (Which she absolutely is. The biggest tell for me was when she said Green offered to pay off her debt, which is in the thousands...) We talked more throughout the day and nailed down days we could hang out and spend much-needed quality time together, just the two of us. Yay, progress, right?

Not really. It hit me today that those days are all days that Green is going to be out of town. Our new scheduled date night? Same date night as Green and her wife. When I asked about this, I was told, "Well, it's just easier that way, because she's busy at that time, anyway." So basically, my schedule with my original partner is now based around this new relationship.

So, all in all, I know this is a lot to parse. But here's my main issues that I'm struggling with and would like some outside perspective:

A. Do you think it's NRE for Red when it comes to these new partners?
B. Am I wrong for being hurt and feeling like I'm being cast aside?
C. Were all the warning signs from the beginning, where I felt pushed when I wasn't ready, correct, and should I consider ending it fully?
D. Am I overthinking this?

P.S. Blue (from the triad) and I are doing well. We're adjusting nicely and healing from what went on with that crumbling of the triangle with Red. She's worried about my emotional health, but doesn't want to get involved or sway me either direction, which I respect so much.
 
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Afterthought I forgot to mention: Each time we've hungout with this new setup, she was texting her a lot. When they hang out, I'm lucky to get a response.
 
I'm sorry this is happening like this.

Your original partner, "Red," sounds like they behave poorly. (I'm going with generic color names because it's hard to write without them. If you'd like something else, I'm happy to go with it.)

You have now moved out. You could call it a trial separation for a lease. You can date however you want on your side. Red can date however they want on their side, nd they STOP oversharing all this stuff with you about their other partners/new dates.

See what life is like on your own. Date your other partner, "Blue," and whoever else, even Red. But limit Red to one regular date night, and if they blow it off or cancel, wait til next time. Don't go "chasing" Red or begging for scraps of attention.

You will naturally see if they put in energy here, or not. You will see if they treat you well, or if you are just their back-up plan when they are bored/have nothing else going on.

Slow all this DOWN on your side of things. Maybe consider talking to a counselor to help you process, if you can avail yourself.


At the end of the lease, hopefully you will have some clarity on whether or not you even want to repair and reconcile with Red, or just break up, unless you ALREADY know you want to end it with Red.

A. Do you think it's NRE for her when it's coming to these new partners?

Probably. Does it even matter? NRE is not a reason to behave so poorly toward you, Blue, or others.

B. Am I wrong for being hurt and feeling like I'm being cast aside?

No, because you HAVE been cast aside and hurt by Red's reckless, impulsive behaviors, and hurt by some of your own "going along with it" stuff. I get you were blindsided and kinda railroaded into some of this. Maybe you even went "deer in the headlights."

You do take responsibility for going along with it before. But that doesn't mean you have to continue going along with it NOW.

Pump the brakes. Reflect. Do you even LIKE this wonky poly with Red? Or would you rather have healthy poly instead, with calmer, more reliable and compatible people, who go more at your speed? Or would you rather not do poly at all? There's nothing wrong with monogamy, if that's what you prefer.

Is this even a healthy relationship with Red?



C. Are all the warning signs from the beginning of where I felt pushed when I wasn't ready correct and I should consider ending it fully?

You can't MAKE Red stick with monogamy. But that doesn't mean you had to sign up for some new deal, and certainly not THIS wacky or this hurried.

If you wanted to do poly on your own, would you pick out someone who rushes you, pushes you, treats you poorly? No? Then why does Red get a free pass on all that?

You've already moved out. If you need more time to think and reflect, treat this like a trial separation and see about talking to a counselor.

If you know you want to break up? Break up, then. Don't drag this out.


D. Am I overthinking this?

No, you are not.

I'm actually kind of wondering if you moving out last Wednesday was what actually LET you start thinking this out from a calmer frame of mind, instead of Red keeping you cranked up every minute to where you couldn't even think straight.

It might actually be HEALTHIER for you over here in your new flat away from Red and their behaviors.

Think on it, now that you are in your own space... If you broke up with Red, there would be the usual sadness that comes with all break-ups. But after that, would it feel like a RELIEF?


P.S. Blue (from the triad) and I are doing well. We're adjusting nicely and healing from what went on with that crumbling of the triangle with Red. She's worried about my emotional health, but doesn't want to get involved, or sway me either direction, which I respect so much.

Blue sounds like a better-quality partner, to be honest, more respectful and considerate of you.

Galagirl
 
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Afterthought I forgot to mention: Each time we've hung out with this new setup, she was texting her a lot.

If dates with Red are boring because they have their head all up in the phone, not really being PRESENT, you have every right to end the date early and go home, cuz boring/bored.

You don't have to put up with crap dates. Your time is valuable. Don't fritter it away on boring dates with Red.


When they hang out, I'm lucky to get a response.

To me, text is asynchronous communication to begin with. Leave your text message and then go about your business. Expect them to contact you when they get around to it.

It's not "real time" communication, even though some people treat it that way. If you are going to have a texting date or a phone date, you set an actual date and time for a texting date or a phone date.

Your time is valuable. Don't fritter it away waiting for random text attention from Red.

Galagirl
 
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Thank you for your responses. Your insights have paired with my own introspection with this situation and have given me some wonderful paths ahead on how to navigate this.

I know I shouldn't have gone along with things because I felt pressured or thrust into situations. That is 100% on me and the amount I've learned cannot be measured with words.

Also, and I'll be totally honest here, I gave up thinking "maybe we can make mono work still..." within the first week or two of her wanting to open up and my research into poly began. What hurt was the constant pressure to open up with very little work done to detangle the extreme mono lifestyle we had.

With that said, I think the hardest part that I'm dealing with and why I decided to open up for assistance is because it's coming from a long history of being mono. 11 years is a long time to be so deeply intertwined and then thrust into this situation. I know the next bit of time is going to hurt, no matter what ultimate decision is made about the relationship...and that just sucks. They were such a huge part of my life and now it's suddenly gone.

(Also, Galagirl, your nicknames for them were spot on, well done lol)
 
I edited your OP to add names for Red, Blue, Green and even Purple. That should make it easier to read for our members.

I can see why Red is a good name for her, being all hotheaded and impulsive. And Blue is calmer and seeming (so far) to be more reasonable. Of course, Blue is your New and Shiny, and you might have NRE for HER. And she might be on her best behavior. So she seems good in comparison to Red and her sudden plunge into dating Blue, then Green.

I wonder if Red will be sampling Purple next. She's got what I call "kid in a candy store" syndrome. That's pretty common with people new to poly.

I'm sorry your 11-year relationship is suddenly falling apart. Where there any warning signs prior to opening up the relationship? Sometimes people use the "polyamory" term, when all they really want is a stepping stone to finding someone new before breaking up with an old partner. So Red tried Blue, found her wanting, started treating you like shit, and is now being love-bombed by a possibly sketchy Green, who is offering to give her thousands of dollars after a week or two of dating. WTH?
 
GG nailed it, as usual. I'd like to add......


It was a full ultimatum of "this happens, or it's over.
This is most telling of how Red felt about you and your relationship. My guess is she isn't poly. She's just done with you, but the 11 years together feels like an investment that she cannot be responsible for. The whole "throwing away 11 years" shit that clouds people's heads. If she plays nice, tells you she loves you and wants to be with you while moving on, it is way easier for her. If you become unhappy and leave her, then she won't feel as guilty for hurting you.

It's convenient that you have another too... as that takes pressure off Red because she knows you aren't alone.

"It's my way or the highway" is never a way to show you love a person.


A. Do you think it's NRE for Red when it comes to these new partners?
Maybe, but it's no excuse.
B. Am I wrong for being hurt and feeling like I'm being cast aside?
Nope.
C. Were all the warning signs from the beginning, where I felt pushed when I wasn't ready, correct, and should I consider ending it fully?
Yep.
D. Am I overthinking this?
Not at all.

I hope you find your happy place. I don't think it will be with her, unfortunately.
 
Hello TransBabyPoly,

What about the idea of doing a mono/poly situation, where you still have one partner (Red), and Red has multiple partners? Is that a compromise that the two of you could live with? Not that mono/poly setups don't have their difficulties, but I thought it was at least worth mentioning.

I definitely don't think Red should have invited Blue to be in a triad with you, without consulting you first. This was done without your consent. A big no-no in polyamory. And then I see that Red got totally caught up in their NRE for Blue -- to the extent that they neglected their relationship with you. It is not surprising if you were unhappy with the situation. Continuing to read your first post, it seems to me that Red has a hard time making up their mind.

You seem to have a tendency of going along with Red's ideas and desires even when it's something you don't want, or at least something you're not ready for. That is something you may want to explore here, is there a way you can get better at sticking up for yourself? Red isn't great at sticking up for you.

Reading further into your first post, it sounds like now Red is caught up in their NRE for Green. NRE seems to be a big deal for Red, it consistently convinces them to neglect their relationship with you. I would say it's okay, NRE doesn't last forever, but I feel like before their NRE can fade with one partner, they already have NRE with another partner. Honestly, this makes them a bad partner for you.

You are not wrong for being hurt and feeling like you're being cast aside. That is in reality what is happening to you. It's NRE, yes, which helps explain it, but doesn't excuse it. It's up to you whether you break up with Red of course, just don't kid yourself about how Red is treating you, they are not doing right by you. You are not overthinking this.

It's good that you have Blue during this difficult time.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I edited your OP to add names for Red, Blue, Green and even Purple. That should make it easier to read for our members.
Thank you so much! I thought about doing this, and will in the future, but had a lot to pour out and failed. Will do better in the future ^_^

Blue is your New and Shiny, and you might have NRE for HER. And she might be on her best behavior. So she seems good in comparison to Red and her sudden plunge into dating Blue, then Green.
I have noticed that in myself since the move. I plan to have a talk with Blue in the very near future (our next meet) about the influx of attention, emotions, and everything.

Blue and I have been taking it slow since the Red v Blue thing first manifested. We discussed it privately and agreed to work on our side of the triangle, just like she was working on hers on Red's, and myself on Red's. When this all blew up, we reiterated during commiseration that we should continue going slow.

Thank you for pointing it out, though. It really does help solidify even more questionable feelings I've been having.

Sometimes people use the "polyamory" term, when all they really want is a stepping stone to finding someone new before breaking up with an old partner
This is something that's been on my mind since the beginning of the poly aspect. When inquired about such things, I got a solid "No." The way they worded the "No" is very telling.

is now being love-bombed by a possibly sketchy Green, who is offering to give her thousands of dollars after a week or two of dating. WTH?
Yup. I mean, heck, pull me and Blue back into the fold, make it a polygon, pay off our debts, and then we'll gladly heck off while you two do your thing ;) (j/k if the sarcasm wasn't there lol)

What about the idea of doing a mono/poly situation
Not possible. Blue and I are happy together, healing, and have begun our own discussion of dating outside us two (which we have communicated before, we were both just overwhelmed and never followed through). We are taking things slow, but know we care about each other, but are interested in the poly life...just not THAT poly life... *Edit: Just reread this...welp, that's telling...*

Thank you all for everything. It means so much to me that you are willing to take the time out of your lives to assist in freelance poly relationship issues <3 Will update eventually to finalize the "story" for anyone in the future :3
 
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Glad it helps you some.

I wanted to lift this up.

Not possible. Blue and I are happy together, healing, and have begun our own discussion of dating outside us two (which we have communicated before, we were both just overwhelmed and never followed through). We are taking things slow, but know we care about each other, but are interested in the poly life...just not THAT poly life... *Edit: Just reread this...welp, that's telling...*

It's too early to tell if (you+Blue) will go long term. But it IS sounding like Blue is more your style/speed, more considerate, more intentional.

All the stuff Red is doing it impulsive, fast, and go-go-go. Red is free to do whatever -- including take up with Green lovebombing them, becoming their sugarbaby, whatever.

But I think YOU need to back off and ask Red not to overshare. And you might have to come to terms that this relationship with Red is best parted rather than dragging out a break up.

11 years is a long run. You WILL mourn the end of this relationship. Yet it's ok to do your grieving separate and out of the way of NEW wackies so you don't take on more damage.

Green kept popping up in conversation. At one point, I mentioned that I felt like the new relationship was happening very fast and I wanted Red to be safe. She agreed and even mentioned she was concerned she was being love bombed. (Which she absolutely is. The biggest tell for me was when she said Green offered to pay off her debt, which is in the thousands...) We talked more throughout the day and nailed down days we could hang out and spend much-needed quality time together, just the two of us. Yay, progress, right?
Not really. It hit me today that those days are all days that Green is going to be out of town. Our new scheduled date night? Same date night as Green and her wife. When I asked about this, I was told, "Well, it's just easier that way, because she's busy at that time, anyway." So basically, my schedule with my original partner is now based around this new relationship.

Red is oversharing with you about Green. Look at how much.

Is it fun to be on a date with Red talking about other partners? Like the date is not (you + Red) but (you the captive audience so Red can go on and on about (Red + Green?))

It would have been easier for Red to say she can see you Tuesday, and that's it. Not tell you all this extra -- that it's when Green is busy elsewhere. Now that you know this, it's hard to unknow it.

Even if Red IS just using you for "filler" for when Red doesn't have anything else going on, YOU don't have to be available. YOU can decline.

I really think you could decide if you want to poly-date Red like this, or if you two just do NOT have compatible poly-practice styles and it would be best to cut your losses. Mourning 11 years is a big load as it is, but dragging it out and ending up back on square one, so it's like mourning 11 years, and then an additional X months or years of wonky poly? Don't get stuck in a sunk-cost fallacy. If this just isn't worthwhile, or you aren't getting enough return on your investment, it's okay to just quit.

I will be very curious to see how you are feeling one month into your new flat, three months into your new flat, where you can be AWAY from the Red rollercoaster and get to have pockets of peace and calm.

Galagirl
 
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