one way rollercoaster (UK)

Thank you so much for the continued responses - great to read. Forgive me for not quoting but it’s hard quoting and editing on my phone 😂.

To answer Mags question - yes, they’re romantically involved (sex), and have been ever since she’s had the consent for it. And yes it’s in our house - it’s a grey area on how comfortable I am with it but she knows what I’m ok with and what not and I trust her to respect my / our space accordingly.
He is married - his partner doesn’t know - the ethics there are 😬🙀🙊🔫🧨💣🔨 ..... not good basically. It’s an issue for us (me & E) but one C needs to address - ... as already mentioned feelings can’t be moved, behaviours can .... I’ve said my piece openly on how I feel on this but it’s not my place to interfere.

Interesting comments on rules and boundaries. So while I agree that ultimately you need to be free of rules and have general ideas and concepts of how you love and live together with shared values, coming from strict monogamy of many years for me a rule based approach provides a stepping stone. It ensures to some extend that you can get used to the opening up idea - the practice and theory can be hugely different And if you operate within boundaries to begin with I find that a level of trust is more easily maintained (and I’m saying this from the point of view where the other partner has introduced poly .... it’s not initially been a joint discovery) Of course there may be the couple who can go all out immediately, but if there is any niggling doubts “am I really poly?” Or “is this really working for me“ Having some guidance on what the out her partner is ok with I find can be helpful. Of course as you as a couple grow together explore n ploy more and what it means for your marriage, kids, family and social surrounding you should re-evaluate constantly and look to remove boundaries and rules wherever possible.
That’s where my heads at anyway .... we currently have rules we put in place before E&C got physical - I don’t feel they work particularly well, as I can feel that she’s coming up against them - she doesn’t want to cross them out of respect but actually as long as we remove them ahead of time (ref maintaining trust) I’d be quite happy to change things - have told her before and suggested we revisit numerous times ... but conversations are slow and it’ll take time.

One comment on Mags double standard on my exploring - as you said, feelings can’t be Easily controlled. in theory (rationally) she has no issues with me exploring things further. However things aren’t always as easy. Self doubts, depression,.... not easy to navigate ones feelings amongst all that. Hence slow communications as it can evoke difficult feelings for E. all very linked and complicated... support and patience is required as in most situations 😉
 
That is a problem with C's spouse being unaware ... he at least needs to have the poly talk with said spouse. As for what if any action you should do about it, that is a gray area. Other than that, I think you're doing fine, I agree with what you said about rules and boundaries.
 
That is a problem with C's spouse being unaware ... he at least needs to have the poly talk with said spouse. As for what if any action you should do about it, that is a gray area. Other than that, I think you're doing fine, I agree with what you said about rules and boundaries.

Not much more i can do apart from making my feelings known. I can’t go to her and break the news, that would be an utter disaster all round, all needs to be him. But I’m not sure he actually is poly. Think he’s together with his wife for the kids and long stopped loving her (I suspect he’s mono) .... Which in some respect is worse if they’re not clear about things. But I’m speculating here .... work in progress and given i don’t talk to him much apart from exchanging pleasantries, a topic that always only comes up through E. and then we’re back at the depression and negative self image....
 
Polyluke wrote:
But I’m not sure he actually is poly....... (I suspect he’s mono)

I would suggest that he is neither practicing polyamory, as his relationship with your wife is not being carried out with the knowledge and consent of all involved (i.e., his wife), nor is he practicing monogamy as he is married yet having a relationship with your wife. So he is practicing non-monogamy, by definition - just not "ethical" or "consensual" non-monogamy (which requires the knowledge and consent of all involved . Polyamory is a subset of consensual non-monogamy [CNM]). Essentially though, he is just simply "cheating" on his wife - opinions within the poly world vary quite a bit as to whether a poly person (who does have the consent of their other partners) should engage in a relationship with a person who is "cheating" on their other partner. The highest ethic would suggest that the poly person should not engage in these type of relationships, but situations do get very gray in the "real world" (in his case - staying together for the kids).

There is a strong argument to be made that humans are not a naturally monogamous species. And that the seeming normality of monogamy is merely a cultural indoctrination - and not really reflected in actual behavior (hence the high incidence of adultery, etc). For further information on this topic, see see Ryan's Sex at Dawn - available at Amazon (et al) in digital or hard copy formats.

Just a couple of thoughts.... Al
 
Thanks al, useful content and will check it out. Lots of food for thought.

One thing is for sure, things will take some time to work through
 
Hey Luke welcome to the forum.

The title of your thread caught my eye and I’m wondering if you feel you’re on the roller coaster by yourself ( one way ). Or things are mostly traveling in an upward trajectory and youre waiting for the big fall?
 
Hey Luke welcome to the forum.

The title of your thread caught my eye and I’m wondering if you feel you’re on the roller coaster by yourself ( one way ). Or things are mostly traveling in an upward trajectory and youre waiting for the big fall?

There’s a good question..... I very much feel it’s a one way journey with mood and feelings going up and down, yet I increasingly am also waiting for a fall while trying to ensure that the track goes on and goes back up eventually (metaphorically speaking).... But definitely loads of low points and some high points, hence the rollercoaster analogy
 
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