Only 19, But Facing A Serious Situation

MrDurrant

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I’ll be honest, this is going to read like a life story, but I am in need of advice, and I need to give the full story. I’m worried that for some people there might be something that will cause upset, so I’m going to put a trigger warning in regards to sexual abuse.

Also, this is going to be a long post. Sorry in advance.

I don’t really know where to start, but I get the feeling it stems from before my current relationship.

So in 2010 I moved to a new school and within a month I had a girlfriend. It lasted a few weeks, she broke up with me, and within a few days I was in another relationship. Then it happened again, and again. I actually got through 5 girlfriends in about two months (I’m not proud of it). Only two of these relationships actually felt…fulfilling, and I ended up being a bit one-and-off with them, extending beyond this “rebound month”.

One of my girlfriends was amazing and supportive and really understood me, and I really understood her and loved her, and we were happy…mostly. Unfortunately, she fell in love with her best friend and left me for her. We remained close, though, and ended up like brother and sister (sadly this fell apart a couple of years ago, though we’re slowly working on rebuilding our friendship).

The other relationship wasn’t so nice in the end, but started off great. Again, we really understood each other and got on. She had a few psychological problems, but we made it work. She was quite sexually minded, despite our age (this was still in 2010, so I was 13) and was often trying to pressure me into sex or other sexual activity. It culminated during the summer holidays, after we broke up for the last time, and she…

Not being dramatic, but it’s hard to write this. I find it hard to talk about, and failed to bring it up when I was seeing a therapist a year ago, but she raped me. We were both 13, and she raped me. There, I’ve said it. Sorry if that brings up anything for anyone else.

Okay, so that happened, and I ended up with the other girl I mentioned but that didn’t end well for me because she left me.

From August 2010 until October 2011 I didn’t have a relationship. Plenty of crushes, sometimes multiple crushes at the same time, but never a relationship. In October of 2011 there were two such crushes. A boy and a girl (I’d known I was bisexual since March 2010, though I recently worked out I’m actually pansexual). The boy was soon to be moving to Australia, so I wanted to confess how I felt about him, but at the same time my feelings for this girl were increasing and I was confident she had feelings for me, too.

It was pretty much confirmed at his going-away party, during spin the bottle when she seemed very willing to kiss me, yet not so willing to kiss anyone else (including her boyfriend at the time). She stuck close to me the whole evening. I ended up staying round the boy’s house overnight, and when morning came and I had to leave I really wanted to kiss him on the cheek and tell him, but I was still thinking about the girl.

The next evening I started to text her, and we ended up getting together over the phone. She broke up with her boyfriend the next day, but he didn’t get the message so thought they were still together. My ex and her girlfriend called my new girlfriend a cheat quite quickly, though this was all sorted out within the week.

The first two years went brilliantly; they were pretty much perfect. I felt at ease and comfortable, felt like I would never have to worry about anything again. She even helped me overcome what happened when I was 13, and we had sex and were (and are) very sexually active and open to trying new things.

Things changed a bit when we moved to Sixth Form. There was a girl in my “Philosophy & Ethics” class who I became really close friends with. Too close, really, and in the end we nearly started a relationship, despite me having a girlfriend. Fortunately, with the help of my girlfriend, I stopped anything from happening, though it did cost me her friendship and she ultimately moved away. But it wasn’t a matter of me preferring this girl over my current girlfriend. I liked her as well, and actually had a crush on her. I didn’t want to leave the girl I was with, yet I also wanted to be with this other girl. I was sixteen when all this was happening, and was admittedly very naïve when it came to relationships.

This situation was defused, and we worked through it, saw it as a little stumble. Things were going really well until March of the same year when I developed feelings for another girl: one of my girlfriend’s friends. This time was different in the way it affected me. The feelings seemed stronger (probably weren’t) and I had a dream of being with his girl and telling her I “couldn’t bring myself to” break up with my current girlfriend.

It really screwed me up, and I convinced myself I couldn’t possibly have feelings for two people. If I had feelings for a new person, surely my feelings for my girlfriend had gone away. So I broke up with her, and I still feel bad that I did.

At the same time, I discovered I had feelings for another girl, and somehow I didn’t find this strange. I’m still confused why I went along with this, but didn’t accept that I could have feelings for multiple people in terms of my girlfriend. I was confused at the time.

Neither of these girls wanted me, and my guilt made me think about my now-ex-girlfriend. We had started a friends-with-benefits agreement, she had a rebound boyfriend…and I was jealous of him. I soon realised I still loved her, and we got back together. She broke up with him about a week later.

We were apart for about a month, in the end, and now we look back on it as a “break”. What complicates this is that I ended up joining a dating site in this time. I had no luck here either, but when we got back together I continued to use it to try and find new friends, and I met one person. Not long after, I closed the account, but kept talking to this new person.

I was, admittedly, an idiot, and didn’t tell my girlfriend about this until November last year, and by this time I was practically cheating on her with this new person. Over two years I got closer and closer to this person, and we flirted a lot and pretty much started a relationship. This other person was also polyamorous, and explained it to me. After some more talking we worked out that I was polyamorous, too, and actually had a predisposition to multiple relationships, which I felt explained what had happened in my relationship.

I told my girlfriend about this in November, and understandably she didn’t take it well. I cut off contact with this new person, but talked to my girlfriend about polyamory, explained what it was. It took her a while to come to terms with it, and there have been trust issues since (though we are getting better). She recently told me she was finding it hard to separate the polyamory from the cheating and that’s what her problem had been, and in the future she might be able to fully accept that I’m polyamorous.

But she has also told me that she doesn’t like the idea of sharing me and is worried what effect this will have on our future plans (we want kids, and to travel the world, get married, etc.). She said that if we did, she’d want to be friends with them, would prefer it if they lived with us, would prefer if it was a guy.

In a recent development I told her that I sometimes fantasised about if she was a boy and what it would be like, and she told me that she is gender neutral, but likes to shift from male to female sometimes; we started a new thing so sometimes she’s male sometimes she’s female (depending on how she feels) and she wanted to treat these two personas as different people. In a way I have a boyfriend and a girlfriend, but they’re the same person. It seems to satisfy my polyamory a little, but it’s not the same.

She’s still really uncertain about it, and I understand that, but I don’t know if she’ll actually ever feel comfortable enough. I definitely don’t want to force her, but I don’t really know what to do about it. I know that I’ve made a mess of some aspects of the relationship, but I am working to repair that.

The advice I’m seeking, I suppose, is how do I avoid screwing things up again? How do I control my needs whilst I wait for her to make a decision regarding her standpoint? And if she decides “no”, how do I put myself into a monogamous mindset?

I don’t ever want to hurt her, and live my life on a “consent” basis: I won’t do anything in my life unless she’s okay with it. It’s a rule I set myself. What I know for certain is that I love her with all my heart and can’t see myself ever being without her, but there’s the need, I suppose, for something more.

After all of what I’ve just written, I’m willing to hear whatever you want to say about any part of it. I just need a fresh set of eyes on the situation to help me understand this.

And please feel free to ask questions (in fact, I encourage it, as I’m worried I haven’t quite written everything I need to).

Thanks in advance to everyone who replies to this, and sorry for the length of the post.
 
Forgive me, but at 19 you are young to tie yourself down. If you truly feel you are polyamorous, then you need to explore that. By all means, work with her to get her comfortable with the idea if you love her, but rather than make it some nebulous time in the future - set specific goals together to work toward. That way, you'll have a definitive answer at a set time. That way if she can't manage it, then you'll both have a chance to move on with your lives and find someone truly compatible. You don't necessarily have to have an answer in a month, but maybe a year or so? I would recommend the book More Than Two - each chapter has questions you can answer separately, and then come together to share your responses.
 
Thank you for your honesty.
My girlfriend and I consider ourselves mature for our age, but we are still naive, especially in regards to polyamory. I think the idea of setting ourselves goals is a good idea, and I will definitely talk to her about it.
Thank you.
 
Forgive me, but at 19 you are young to tie yourself down. If you truly feel you are polyamorous, then you need to explore that...

Thank you for your honesty.
My girlfriend and I consider ourselves mature for our age, but we are still naive, especially in regards to polyamory.

Just because you are young and exploring doesn't mean that you don't have a strong sense of self and who you are. Everyone is naive when it comes to exploring something challenging.

I knew I was poly before I was ever in a relationship. One of the benefits of exploring this while you and your relationship are young means that you can grow and explore together and find out if this will work for the two of you, rather than find yourself in a situation years from now, settled down with a wife and family, and coming to the sudden realization that you have been fighting your "true self" all along.

For the record, I got together with MrS when I was 18 and he was 19. I knew that I was poly, learned that I was bi, and we figured it out over time. Got married when I was 22 and he was 23. In June we will have been married 20 years, and I love him more and more as time goes on!
 
I am sorry you were raped at 13. I hope you have healed from that.

I could be wrong, but the current situation sounds like this to me.

  • You were dating GF1.
  • You got involved in an online thing with GF2, who is polyamorous.
  • You acknowledge this was cheating.
  • You realized you yourself are poly, but went about this all in a wonky way.

In order to clean up the mess?
  • You break up with GF2.
  • You come clean with GF1.
  • She's struggling with the cheating start. She acknowledges might be able to accept you are polyamorous in future.
  • But she herself is not poly and she's not really up for sharing you or up for participating in a polyamorous relationship with you as the hinge person.

So this might be a deal breaker for her. You are worried/anxious about this and don't know what to do.
  • I think you could apologize to GF1 for how all this came about if you have not done so already.
  • Then give each other some time to come to terms. A month is plenty of time to me to decide. There's not need to drag it out. If she is sure she's not up for being in a new poly thing with you? Break up peacefully. Don't drag this out.

As you say, you cannot force her to participate in a poly thing if that just is not her thing. And some things one does not have to try to know they are not up for it. I don't have to try cocaine to know I'm not up for it, I don't have to try skydiving to know I'm not up for it, I don't have to try orgies to know I'm not up for them.

If she's not up for it? Respect her decision.

And here's the trickier one -- if she's all googly-eyes and you KNOW she's not really up for it but she's all "I'll do anything for you! Even that! I don't want to lose you!" the decent thing is to cut her loose. Do not allow her to do things she's not really up for deep down in an attempt to avoid feeling "breaking up grief and sadness."

Same goes for you.

Sometimes people, in their wanting to stave off grief, keep trying to fly a kite that just will not fly rather than take a step back and focus on flying the one that WILL.

Rather than force yourself into a mono mindset if that is not YOUR thing? Be ok letting the relationship between you change into something that DOES work. "Good exes and friends." Nothing wrong with that relationship shape if that fits the people better. Fly that instead.

Then neither of you has to lose each other, but each of you is now free to seek romance with more compatible people. She can move on to date someone who wants a mono-ship like she wants. You can move on to date someone who wants a poly-ship like you do.

At 19? Don't tie yourself down to one person so young. Either of you. Explore dating many people and what you might learn about yourselves in doing that. This experiences has already taught you a few things.

At this age you are often experiencing a lot of "firsts" and because they are firsts? They are louder, stronger, brighter and can FEEL hard to deal with. But really? It is not the end of the word to break up amicably and seek more compatible people. That's part of what the dating process is FOR and not everyone you date will be a long haul runner.

I see where you don't want to force HER to do anything... but apply the same to yourself. Don't YOU be twisting yourself into pretzels or try to be something you are not just to get to be with her romantically in a monoship that doesn't fit you right.

"Learning to accept one's personal limitations" is a good thing to learn while young. Spares you a lot of grief later.

Instead focus on what you CAN be together joyfully. "Friends" is a good thing.

That would be my advice.

Galagirl
 
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JaneQSmythe:
Thank you. We really want to make it work and stay together, we just don't really know where we stand on it right now. We're still healing from me cheating.

GalaGirl:
I could be wrong, but the current situation sounds like this to me.

  • You were dating GF1.
  • You got involved in an online thing with GF2, who is polyamorous.
  • You acknowledge this was cheating.
  • You realized you yourself are poly, but went about this all in a wonky way.

In order to clean up the mess?
  • You break up with GF2.
  • You come clean with GF1.
  • She's struggling with the cheating start. She acknowledges might be able o accept you are polyamorous in future.
  • But she herself is not poly and she's not really up for sharing you or up for participating in a polyamorous relationship with you as the hinge person.
That's pretty much it, yeah.
She says that she could come round to the idea and would even be willing to take part, but at the same time she says she's not really sure how she feels about it.

At the same time, I feel slightly conflicted. I want to at least try a polyamorous relationship, but my level of commitment to my girlfriend makes me wonder if I would actually be comfortable engaging in one. I'm worried that I'd find myself neglecting a new partner, or just wouldn't be happy with them.

But I don't want want to lose her in that romantic sense. We may be young, but I'm sure she's the person I want to be with. It's just the knowledge that, at some point, I'm going to meet someone else and want to be with them as well.
 
She says that she could come round to the idea and would even be willing to take part, but at the same time she says she's not really sure how she feels about it.

What's that mean? She could come around to the idea of participating with you in a Poly V, and could even be willing to take part in sex threesomes? But at the same time she's not really sure how she feels about it?

IF she's not sure, it's not a "joyous yes" to me. Anything less than a "joyous yes" is a "working no." Makes decisions way easier. So I'm hearing "working no" from her.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME

  • Sounds like you know for sure you want to be in a polyship. Or try to be.
  • She sounds fairly sure she doesn't want to share you with anyone, and "working no" on being in a poly V or threesomes.

Rather than agonize? I think you guys could accept that at this time you two do NOT have compatible wants. Be sad, but end it. Take a break for a year. See other people.

Really guard against twisting selves into pretzels just to keep flying the romance kite right now.

IN FUTURE

After you both explore dating elsewhere? If you change your mind or she does? You can always get back together at THAT point in time if both want to and you have more compatible wants. You had what you call a "break" before. This time let it be more of a planned break.

I think people have this idea that there's "a right one" out there for them. But IME, there are many right ones, at different times.

If she's the right one for you, but this isn't quite the right time? Be ok with that. Take a break.

Galagirl
 
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For the record, I got together with MrS when I was 18 and he was 19. I knew that I was poly, learned that I was bi, and we figured it out over time. Got married when I was 22 and he was 23. In June we will have been married 20 years, and I love him more and more as time goes on!

My story is much the same, though TheKnight and I got together at 16 and discovered poly together. I'm not saying that ya'll's relationship is going to be anything like that, though, because it *doesn't* work that way for most people, I think - and part of the reason that it *did* work out for us was that we were on the same page as far as poly.

From the way you describe it, though, I'm not sure that your gf is as completely mono as other people on the thread have - most *really* mono types wouldn't even talk about the whole live-in poly concept as a possibility, let alone one they were willing to consider cautiously.

A lot of people would suggest you read More Than Two together, and that's not a bad idea, I'd actually suggest you read The Game Changer first - memoir instead of instructional, but I think the story of getting together and staying together too young with someone loved but deeply incompatible might be relevant.
 
Before the polyamory became an issue we'd already discussed the possibility of threesomes in our future. I think the cheating and polyamory coming up around the same time really shook her, and she's still finding it a little difficult to separate them. Her opinion on "sharing" me only really came out after this happened, and I can't help but wonder if, had the cheating not happened, her opinion would be very different.

Right now it feels like the only thing we're not agreeing on is the polyamory. I keep putting it down to her still healing from when I cheated on her, and she's worrying that if we start a polyamorous relationship then I'll end up preferring the other person and leave her for them.

I'm worried that if we start a polyamorous relationship then I'll end up neglecting the new partner, or won't enjoy it. Over the last four years I've completely dedicated myself to my girlfriend

She's starting university in October, and she'll be a two hour drive from where I live. Currently we live about 30 minutes away from each other, though don't necessarily see each other much as neither of us have our own transport yet. Part of me wonders if we should stick together but use this time to relax a little and experiment, engage in an open relationship or something, but I'm unsure and probably confused.

It probably seems like I'm desperately trying to stay with her no matter what, and in a way that's probably true. She's made it clear that if I fuck up again then we're done, even though she loves me with all her heart and wants a future together. I don't want to leave her because I feel like if that happens she'll never take me back, even if it is just a break.
 
It may turn out that you guys take a break and get back together.

It may turn out that you guys take a break and do not get back together.

Let the future deal with itself. Focus more on the PRESENT.

She's starting university in October, and she'll be a two hour drive from where I live.

Given that data? You guys could shelve the whole poly thing for now.

You already broke up with GF2 and came clean. Finish with rebuilding trust and bring stability back.

http://felislunae.org/relationships-love/coming-clean/

Rather than keep fueling instability and anxiety with all these "what if this? what if that?" things. Just make a firm decision to shelve it til after October. At that point the distance is going to make you have to deal with it anyway, so deal with it then.

Then you both are free to enjoy the time you have now free from all this stress and anxiety.

Could agree to enjoy a Closed thing from April to October.

Could agree that when October comes? Both can enjoy seeing each other still + seeing other people freely then. It is not cheating on agreements. It's agreeing to stop "going steady" or "stop dating exclusively" or whatever it is you want to call it.

You take THAT time to explore whatever concurrent dating thing you want to explore and sort out your fears/worries with you ability to balance your needs with the needs of two partners.

That's not fucking up again. That's taking the bull by the horns and making a plan for how you want to be spending April - October and how you want to be spending the Fall.

Galagirl
 
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You guys could shelve the whole poly thing for now.

You already broke up with GF2 and came clean. Finish with rebuilding trust and bring stability back.

http://felislunae.org/relationships-love/coming-clean/

Rather than keep fueling instability and anxiety with all these "what if this? what if that?" things. Just make a firm decision to shelve it til after October. At that point the distance is going to make you have to deal with it anyway, so deal with it then.

Then you both are free to enjoy the time you have now from all this stress and anxiety.

Could agree to enjoy a Closed thing from April to October.

That sounds like an idea. Thank you. We've pretty much just decided to go to counselling soon. Looking like next week right now, and we're going to focus on healing.

Again, thank you so much for that piece of advice.
 
Re (from MrDurrant):
"Right now it feels like the only thing we're not agreeing on is the polyamory."

Later on down the road, that one little thing could turn out to be one big thing. What happens when she decides she wants you to be monogamous with her, and you try to comply but then find yourself falling in love with someone new? Do you hope you can suddenly convince your existing partner to embrace polyamory after all? What if you can't? What if she puts her foot down and says, "No, I want us to have a monogamous life together. Please jettison that new person." Will you have the strength to do as asked? Will you have a secret affair with the new person? What happens if you get caught? Like a snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill, this one little problem could gain size and momentum. I don't mean to suggest that you should break up with her now, but I do mean to suggest that the polyamory disagreement is something you can't afford to take lightly.

That aside, it sounds like you'll have a long-distance situation on your hands when she starts attending the university. Do you have plan for how to cope with that?

I'm afraid I am something of a wet blanket; sorry about that. I don't have much to offer in the way of advice, but I do wish you the best and hope things turn out okay.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Thanks for the input, Kevin.

My girlfriend and I are kind of putting the polyamory in the back seat for the time being, just whilst we heal from the cheating. We're worried it will just confuse us and make it harder.
Once we think we're sufficiently healed (we're aware how it's often impossible to heal 100% from something as serious as unfaithfulness) then the polyamory will become something to think about again.
I'm hoping we have time before she moves to at least start talking about it and understand how we feel about it then.

As for the long-distance, we've already discussed regular Skype chats. As it is, we don't see each other as much we'd like, often only once or week or over a weekend.
Her mother has offered to give me lifts whenever she visits, so it shouldn't be too different.
But I think we'll end up discussing it more when we bring up the polyamory again.

There's no need to apologise. Your comment about how it could snowball was actually helpful, and I'll be remembering that, especially when we get round to considering/discussing polyamory again.

Thanks again.
 
Not a problem; it sounds like you guys are working things out pretty well so far.
 
Thought I'd offer up a little update, following my counselling session on Friday:

Although we didn't mention the polyamory in our session (didn't really think the first session was the time, especially with us focusing on healing from the cheating). Anyway, one of the things the counsellor suggested was writing a list of "rules" for our relationship, identifying the boundaries so we can maintain them.
So when we got home we started to talk about it all and wrote it down, and also worked out the definition of cheating in our relationship. But then, to my surprise, she wanted to talk about the polyamory, and we ended up writing some rules about it.

So this is what we came up with:


"Polyamory
Though this is not being practiced, it is important we have these rules down now so that, if something should come up before we have taken the time to fully discuss it, we have rules to fall back on.

As written by [my partner]:
“If consent isn’t given by mate for a relationship to develop then that interest/relationship must be annulled.
Explain to the third that the relationship isn’t to go ahead, nor any sexual advances from either party.
The first party isn’t to be given abuse, or to be bullied, for her choice.
First party to be the primary mate/partner – held to be the most important.”

Joint discussion:

No secondary/tertiary/etc. relationship can exist/be initiated without the consent of the primary partner. Before this consent (or lack of) is given, then the primary partner will meet the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. as many times as s/he deems fit to familiarise him/herself with the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. so as to form a judgement on the potential relationship and ensure the emotional and physical safety of all persons involved.

Whilst the primary partner familiarises him/herself with the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner, ‘relations’ between the primary and the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner will remain as friendship, and this will be explained to the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner.

If the relationship progresses to a sexual/physical relationship then STI tests are to be taken of all new partners to ensure the safety of all persons involved. These tests would be repeated monthly. Condoms are to be worn with any/all secondary/tertiary/etc. partners. A discussion with secondary/tertiary/etc. partners is to be had regarding birth control so as to avoid pregnancies.

(These rules apply to both partners)

(The Primary Partner is free to introduce persons to their partner with whom they could see a relationship forming)"


What do you think of this? Have we thought this through well?
I understand there will probably be more to discuss in future, but is this a good start?
 
Sure, that's a good start. What else do you think you might discuss/add to it in the future?
 
What do you think of this? Have we thought this through well? I understand there will probably be more to discuss in future, but is this a good start?


TLTR

I think you could NOT agree to those as written. At this point in the journey? I think you could say

"Ok, you wrote some ideas down for poly agreements. That's nice, hon. Let's get through counseling for cheating first before we bring those out to look at with the counselor more closely.

For now I agree we are Closed. I'm not pursuing and I plan to decline anyone asking me out with 'Thanks, I'm flattered, but I'm in a Closed situation. So no.'"​

Finish healing from cheating first. And don't agree to anything polyamory related until you run it by counselor. That would be my TLTR.

LONG VERSION

After reading these agreements? I'm not all that sure that your partner really wants to poly. She seems to want to "protect" the relationship FROM poly or FROM whatever scary thing she thinks poly will bring.

it is important we have these rules down now so that, if something should come up before we have taken the time to fully discuss it, we have rules to fall back on.

"If something comes up" means WHAT?

  • Someone asks you out? I would imagine you would say "Thanks, I'm flattered. But I'm in a Closed situation."
  • If either pursues dating others while agreements are still Closed, it's cheating. You break up because there's already been cheating once.

What more "rules" are needed at this point in time? :confused:

What do you think of this? Have we thought this through well? I understand there will probably be more to discuss in future, but is this a good start?

I think the poly rules as written by your partner seem like a good way to say they are Open to poly but actually prevent poly dating from happening in practice. Let me repeat that draft agreement back in my own words one at a time so you can see how it sounds to me.

“If consent isn’t given by mate for a relationship to develop then that interest/relationship must be annulled.

Reads like:

If I agree to Open, but I don't consent to you developing something with your potential? Then you agree to dump your potential. (Actually, you could dump ME and move on to date the potential. That's always an option.)

Explain to the third that the relationship isn’t to go ahead, nor any sexual advances from either party.

Reads like:

You agree to tell your potential that nothing is going to happen and there will be no sexual advances made by either party if I don't approve. (Why would you agree to make me the boss of your other relationships?)

The first party isn’t to be given abuse, or to be bullied, for her choice.

Reads like:

You cannot complain and fuss at me if I don't approve your potential. (Why would you agree to give me an unlimited global veto and agree to give up your voice to complain if I abuse this power to my benefit?)

First party to be the primary mate/partner – held to be the most important.”

Reads like:

You agree that I come before anyone else. My wants come before anyone else's. Even before you and your wants. (is that the implication here?why agree to this?)

No secondary/tertiary/etc. relationship can exist/be initiated without the consent of the primary partner. Before this consent (or lack of) is given, then the primary partner will meet the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. as many times as s/he deems fit to familiarise him/herself with the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. so as to form a judgement on the potential relationship and ensure the emotional and physical safety of all persons involved.

Reads like:

You cannot date potential unless I say you can date them. I can meet the potential as many times as I deem fit before I approve dating. You and your potential agree that I am in charge. I decided if the relationship is emotionally and physically safe for me, you, and the potential. (Handy way to NEVER approve... just keep "meeting" them over and over.)

Whilst the primary partner familiarises him/herself with the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner, ‘relations’ between the primary and the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner will remain as friendship, and this will be explained to the potential secondary/tertiary/etc. partner.

Reads like:

You cannot develop anything with your potential beyond friendship while I'm checking them out to see if they meet my approval for you and them dating. You and potential have to agree to this.​

If the relationship progresses to a sexual/physical relationship then STI tests are to be taken of all new partners to ensure the safety of all persons involved. These tests would be repeated monthly. Condoms are to be worn with any/all secondary/tertiary/etc. partners. A discussion with secondary/tertiary/etc. partners is to be had regarding birth control so as to avoid pregnancies.

Reads like:

IF I approve, and you and potential are to become lovers? You and potential agree that...

You get labs before sex happens and get labs once a month after that for "maintenance."
You have to wear condoms with everyone else to prevent STD/pregnancy. (Implied: You can never be fluid bonded with your other partner. Only me.)

(These rules apply to both partners)

Reads like:

Sure, these restrictive rules can be for me too. (Because I don't really want Poly anyway. I get to seem "fair" when really, its skewed.)​

The Primary Partner is free to introduce persons to their partner with whom they could see a relationship forming

Reads like:

Sure. Introduce potentials all you want. Because you agreed to give me a global veto and agreed that I can meet them as many times as I deem fit before I approve. I got the Foot Dragging Card. AND you also agreed NOT to complain about my choice if I say I don't approve. I get to seem "open minded" when really it is set up so I say what goes.​

While it is ok to form some agreements -- how flexible are they really? Is the potential just supposed to sign on to whatever you guys laid out before they ever even arrived? Even though these agreements affect the potential? Or do they get a voice in shaping these agreements?

Because if they do not get a voice in shaping agreements that affect them? And they have to go through all this "approval" veto thing just to even date you? And then your other partner is saying if/when you can date and how you and potential can have sex (with or without condoms)?

They might decide it is just too much of a pain in the butt to date you under these conditions you agreed to even though they initially thought you were cute. They don't know you all that well, so why bother? They may decline and move on to other potentials that are easier to date. And you may wonder why YOU never get to poly date even though you have some poly agreements with your existing partner.

I think these agreements as written don't support either of you poly dating in a healthy way. They seem to support NEITHER of you dating.

I think you guys might benefit from reading and doing some of these exercises.

http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/

when you are healed from the cheating.

But don't put cart before horse. Focus on healing from the cheating and shelve the poly talk for now. First things first.

When you are ready to make poly agreements at a time when BOTH are actually healed from the cheating, they might look different. And you can work with the counselor on forming them so they are actually fair agreements for healthy poly dating.

Galagirl
 
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I suggest the both of you read 'The Game Changer' by Franklin Veaux. It's about Veaux's struggles over years to accommodate his wife's concerns.

I ask you two to read this not because of the poly content but rather it points out how unthinking acceptance of norms, of wanting to make the other person secure at the expense of self, and not facing oneself honestly fucked up his marriage.

The both of you have the chance to really think about what you individually want from a relationship, to consciously choose and create together what you both want. This is a great opportunity, despite the painful painful way it came along. Now it's very possible you two might not be ultimately compatible. That's ok, it happens a lot. How else can one know what one wants except by trying?
 
If the relationship progresses to a sexual/physical relationship then STI tests are to be taken of all new partners to ensure the safety of all persons involved. These tests would be repeated monthly.

MONTHLY?!?! Do you have any idea what that costs? (most insurance doesn't pay for that level of testing outside of serious risk factors... and having a partner with a paranoid girlfriend doesn't count)


And that's on top of wholeheartedly agreeing with GalaGirl and Opalescent about how terrible a lot of the other rules are and how much you need to do some reading. If you go forward under these rules, you're either not going to actually get a second relationship (I know I'd run screaming from someone with these rules, and I'm not alone in that opinion!) or you're going to break someone else's heart and probably yours and your girlfriend's in the process.
 
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