Poly-Curious Couple First Steps?

AndrewKatie

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Hello everyone.
We're a married couple who've just had that opening discussion about considering looking into poly dating. We're not entirely sure yet what we're looking for, only that we know we're not into casual sex hookups, and that we'd be looking for someone to date jointly. Beyond that, we'd just like some advise on where to start learning more.
 
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Make separate OKCupid profiles and both look for people to date.

And I'd abandon any rule you think you need too. But that is just me.
 
Welcome to the world of polyamory. For starters, most of us experienced poly people would recommend not dating as a unit. It's so hard to find a "woman to share," a "third," who will love and lust for you equally, and vice versa.

So many pitfalls. Do a tag search here for "unicorn," or "unicorn hunters" to see the stories of woe. Here is one comprehensive thread:

http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62800
 
Maybe we need to clarify a bit more. We're not looking for an "open marriage" or to date other people separately. This is something we're only interested in doing together. We've talked about possibly seeing another couple or singles. We're trying not to rule out any combination of sexes/genders though.
 
Maybe we need to clarify a bit more. We're not looking for an "open marriage" or to date other people separately. This is something we're only interested in doing together. We've talked about possibly seeing another couple or singles. We're trying not to rule out any combination of sexes/genders though.

Dating as a couple is possible. I have known several that did is successfully including myself. We did it with respect to the other person and respect to ourselves.

We ended up in a dual couple quad..

As we progressed we became more flexible, and continued to show respect to individuals... we did eventually date as individuals, which ironically turned into a double coupling.. hah

It can be a hard road. Dating as an individual is easier.

So first steps, OKC works for most people I know, it never did much for me. I only had one successful OKC date, and it turned into the quad I am in haha.. Join some poly meetup groups.. Find like minded people, in real life, and start expanding your social circles. Thats one thing we (as a group) did well. I would say 99% of our friends are poly, or poly friendly.. it makes meeting people who are interested in that type of relationship easier.

I did better in person, in bars, or playing sports.

There is a lot of anti couple mantra on this site. Dont take it too personally. What you describe can be healthy and work. But it is a harder road statistically.. :)..

Good luck
 
People do lots of things that aren't "easy" or "common" and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just good to know what you're getting into, so that you won't be too deflated if it takes years to find someone who enjoys both your company.

Be cautious of "couple privilege" i.e. treating each other better than you treat the newer member of the union. It's an easy trap to fall in, thinking you need to "protect" your relationship.

Another thing to consider is, what happens if you find someone you both like and who likes both of you, and you date them for a while... but then the love falls off between them and one of you, but not the other. Do you force the other to break up with someone when there's still lots of love? Do you accept the new dynamic?

It's very hurtful to make someone give up something they've come to cherish, and it inevitably leads to resentment. It can really erode the bond you share, and make you hesitant to try again, for fear of falling in love with someone only to have them taken away again.

May I ask, what are your reasons for wanting to date as a couple rather than individually?
 
(Andrew here)
I really don't know how else to explain/clarify it. Dating other people separately just isn't something we're interested in. Our initial interest was piqued by the sexual aspects of a polyamorous relationship, but we're not interested in hooking up with strangers just for the sake of a threesome (etc). We've read many of the stories here and elsewhere about couples who end up "using" a third or other couple as a sex toy, and we don't want to do that to anyone.

I suppose our outlook in this is similar to our attitudes about single dating. We're not out looking for Mr/Ms/Mr&Mrs Right to get into a permanent triad/qaud right away. We'd like someone to make a connection with, to get to know, and, yes, have sex with. If such a relationship grows into something more over time, then we're open to that. In the meantime, we feel like this lifestyle/lovestyle is something that would make for a good adventure and something to strengthen and enrich our existing relationship.
 
My advice listen to people who have years heck some with a decade or more experience who are trying to help you both avoid the heartache we hear over and over again on these and other message boards or based upon their own real life experiences.

If I had a nickel for every newbie couple who thought they had it all figured out...

In another words you came here looking for advice. Folks here have offered done kind helpful advice yet you don't want it because it is not what you want to hear.
 
So after some more research and discussion, digging into many good points brought up around this forum, we've realized that what we're looking for is less of a relationship and more like "friends with benefits," someone (or someones) to play with on occasion. Upon deeper reflection, we're not sure we'd ever be completely comfortable with integrating another person or people into our lives. There are many factors and pitfalls for such things that we hadn't thought of before.

We realize that what we're looking for may not really be considered "polyamory" at all. We'd like to thank everyone who chimed in for their advice. We would like to ask one more thing: Given that we've figured out more of what want, does anyone here have advice to point us more in the right direction to learn more?
 
I don't know if there's much to share, in terms of resources for looking for fwb's as a couple. Go to swinger's events, use OKC, or just proposition open-minded friends, be honest and straightforward about what you're offering, use protection, and have a good time!

Understand, though, that one or both of you could still develop feelings for whomever you get involved with, even if that's not your plan, and therefore you could still find yourself coming right back around to facing these potentially thorny issues of what it means to have romantic entanglements with more than one person, aka polyamory. If that day does come, I encourage you to break out of the mindset that you'd need to integrate someone into your lives and see them together in order for it to work... since, as it happens, that's exactly the strategy that's least likely to work, as has been pointed out (I wrote a post that's what I consider to be the most coherent I'm likely to ever get on the topic here: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214564&postcount=23)

Best of luck.
 
I would suggest SLS.com for that.
 
So after some more research and discussion, digging into many good points brought up around this forum, we've realized that what we're looking for is less of a relationship and more like "friends with benefits," someone (or someones) to play with on occasion. Upon deeper reflection, we're not sure we'd ever be completely comfortable with integrating another person or people into our lives. There are many factors and pitfalls for such things that we hadn't thought of before.

We realize that what we're looking for may not really be considered "polyamory" at all. We'd like to thank everyone who chimed in for their advice. We would like to ask one more thing: Given that we've figured out more of what want, does anyone here have advice to point us more in the right direction to learn more?

Whether you two want to share a "lover" whom you both love, and vice versa, or a "friend" you both fuck, it comes down to, why share? Scenario: If this someone is visiting from out of town, and one of you isn't home (working late, traveling, whatever), do the two people together need to sit 3 feet apart on the couch for hours til the 3rd person gets home? Does this person get to text or IM or phonecall or PM with one of your couple? Go out for a sandwich as a twosome? Do they ever get one on one attention, in other words, or must EVERYTHING be done in the spirit of threeway togetherness, all the time?

You probably didn't read the thread I linked to, or the So Somebody Called You A Unicorn Hunter? article, or you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking.

BTW, Andrew, thanks for identifying yourself in one post. According to our rules here, members should all have individual accounts, or at the very least, ID themselves as "Andrew" or "Kate" in each post. This is a polyamory board, and we discourage couple-centricity and couple privilege.
 
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Whether you two want to share a "lover" whom you both love, and vice versa, or a "friend" you both fuck, it comes down to, why share? Scenario: If this someone is visiting from out of town, and one of you isn't home (working late, traveling, whatever), do the two people together need to sit 3 feet apart on the couch for hours til the 3rd person gets home? Does this person get to text or IM or phonecall or PM with one of your couple? Go out for a sandwich as a twosome? Do they ever get one on one attention, in other words, or must EVERYTHING be done in the spirit of threeway togetherness, all the time?

You probably didn't read the thread I linked to, or the So Somebody Called You A Unicorn Hunter? article, or you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking.

BTW, Andrew, thanks for identifying yourself in one post. According to our rules here, members should all have individual accounts, or at the very least, ID themselves as "Andrew" or "Kate" in each post. This is a polyamory board, and we discourage couple-centricity and couple privilege.
I think they've acknowledged that they want a very casual sexual relationship. Less what the majority of us would call FWB and more what we would term Booty Call. I don't mean that as a slur on them, I'm pleased they've acknowledged that poly is "too much" for want of a better term. It just means that they know they want threesomes so probably wouldn't arrange the meet at a time they won't be there. They'll be pleasant and hospitable but the relationship wouldn't carry the typical expectations that comes from a friendship.

If you consider a scale representing all the possible relationships you could have with another person, going from most casual, non commital to highly emotionally, legally and practically entangled, friendship would be quite high on the list. My suspicions are that the OPs will find their comfort level is closer to acquaintance we have sex with or the widely used term, Fuck Buddy.
 
I think the swinging scene is more up your alley Andrew. There you can find singles and couples who would be awhat you're looking for.

There is nothing wrong with being swingers.
 
I guess there are some people who can just fuck a stranger and go home. Maybe they can do this for years, or decades... What if you find a "stranger" to fuck at a swinger's party, and he/she wants to "play" separately, and every time you go to a party, you fuck this same person, until they start to seem special, and no longer a stranger, or even an acquaintance, eventually a friend, eventually (what with all the sex sharing) a... gasp! lover? I understand swingers can often be friends. Before the fucking people sit down and have drink, a snack, conversation... it's more like a date than just picking up a prostitute on a street corner. A group date, maybe, but really, you don't just walk in, strip off your clothes and grab the closest naked person and stick a dick in a hole. Right?

Really.

Do you dump your favorite swinging partner to "protect the primary relationship?" At what cost?
 
I guess there are some people who can just fuck a stranger and go home.
Clearly there are, or swinging wouldn't be a thing. The OP(s) have already come to the conclusion that they're probably not cut out for poly, so there's no need to chide them for not being cut out for poly.
 
I guess the difference is the assumption between the people involved that it stays at swinging opposed to casual sex with a poly person where they will usually be open to more. Not that they will push for it but they wouldn't rule it out.
 
Clearly there are, or swinging wouldn't be a thing. The OP(s) have already come to the conclusion that they're probably not cut out for poly, so there's no need to chide them for not being cut out for poly.

I wasn't chiding them. Just speaking generally. I get that some people can "fuck a stranger" using certain techniques to avoid emotional intimacy, such as avoiding eye contact, and mouth to mouth kissing. I did have a cpl dates with a guy who had a primary lover and a cpl other sex partners; he and I had sex a cpl times, and then he told me he could no longer kiss me, he could only kiss his gf. I guess to make her special and perhaps unconsciously, to avoid pair bonding with me. But I felt insulted and dumped him. Also, it seemed it would be so awkward to not be allowed to kiss a mouth, but put your lips elsewhere on the body, to kiss and suck!

So, I wonder about this OP couple, do the plan to take steps to actively AVOID intimacy and "feelings?" Because it seems to me if you don't do things to actively avoid feelings, they will develop.

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Unless you are someone who is naturally detached, I spose.... unfeeling? Hormones released during sex, or foreplay, CAUSE feelings. This is why we have "new relationship energy", or infatuation, which seems to rise up on its own, hard. Overwhelming. So, how does one avoid that? Do swingers just naturally treat others as mere bodies, and try NOT to see the person/ality inside the body?

I mean, I get "feelings" happening when I see someone attractive. Even if there's no chance of sex, I ... feel things for them. I don't just imagine fucking them, I want connection, conversation, laughter, hand holding, cuddling on the couch watching TV or a movie, the joy of discovering shared interests (other than having sex), etc.

This is just a ramble. I just wonder if the OP couple has thought about any of this.
 
(Andrew here)We'd like someone to make a connection with, to get to know, and, yes, have sex with.

So after some more research and discussion, digging into many good points brought up around this forum, we've realized that what we're looking for is less of a relationship and more like "friends with benefits," someone (or someones) to play with on occasion. Upon deeper reflection, we're not sure we'd ever be completely comfortable with integrating another person or people into our lives.

We realize that what we're looking for may not really be considered "polyamory" at all.

I'm of the mind that only the people in the arrangement get to decide whether it's polyamory or not, assuming consent all around. It's a minory opinion, as many people are very quick to dictate what is and is not poly, but I believe that it's your life, so it's your call.

Some people argue that calling it poly when it "isn't" makes it confusing for potential partners. I think it's far more confusing to call something "poly" and then assume that everyone knows exactly what you mean, since there's as many ways to do poly as there are people in poly relationships. Either way, you have to explain exactly what kind of arrangement you're looking for, so who cares what you call it?

I think they've acknowledged that they want a very casual sexual relationship. Less what the majority of us would call FWB and more what we would term Booty Call. My suspicions are that the OPs will find their comfort level is closer to acquaintance we have sex with or the widely used term, Fuck Buddy.

I think of Booty Call and Fuck Buddy as someone where sex is the only purpose of spending time together. By the description above, they do want someone to make a connection with and get to know. They haven't said anything to give me the impression that they don't want the "friends" part of FWB.

What they don't want to give up is couple privilege. Integrating someone and making allowances for emotional attachment is more work than just being friends with someone with the occasional roll in the hay. But I don't see non-monogamy as an all-or-nothing dichotomy. There's full integration, there's fuck buddies, and there's a whole 3 dimensional grey area in between.

I get that some people can "fuck a stranger" using certain techniques to avoid emotional intimacy, such as avoiding eye contact, and mouth to mouth kissing.

Lots of people don't have to use "techniques" to avoid emotional intimacy. Indeed, many people have to work hard to actually form emotional intimacy, with distance and lack of feelings being the default. For the most part, males have an easier time at it, but I also know females who can enjoy a good fuck without the slightest inclination to hang out otherwise.

That being said, most people know which camp they're in. Or at least, they can figure it out if they take the time to think about it.

I think if a couple is going to enter a FWB or FB arrangement, it is important to be aware of the risk of developing feelings, and to have a contingency plan for if that happens. For example, some swingers have a personal boundary that if they start having feelings for someone, they end the arrangement of their own free will, because they've prioritized their partnership.
 
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