Polyamory and Cheating, can you work them out

Cam

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I have been a lurker, but I feel like I would be better served to spit this out.

My wife and I have been married for 3 years, this last weekend actually. I had caught her and my best friend in bed together, a couple of times, after a lot of drinks. That was over a year ago and everything was going great. Until three weeks ago, she came home from shopping on a Saturday morning and informed me that she "thinks" she is polyamorous. We have both been mono our whole lives, I have pondered it a few times, but never acted.

(An aside, we have both been cheated on by every partner we have ever had, I have never cheated myself, but she has admitted to a few "indiscretions". She is jealous, like come home drunk, mistake something, and beat the shit out of you for something that no one can figure out later, JEALOUS. I do a lesser, much more passive-aggressive (I know unhealthy as hell) degree am also extremely jealous. I believe she has trust issues, I feel like I am a little too fast and loose with the trust. We even had gone so far as to open our phones to each other and would regularly swap at random times to keep it open.)

After a fair amount of discussion and some playful texting we decided to try a random threesome to see if (if you don't see it coming yet, you're either naive or not nearly cynical enough) the jealousy issue would be too much for either of us. I had suggested the best friend, because I had already offered the threesome as a "you should have just asked" situation. However, he was unavailable, so she said she knew someone. We probably shouldn't have, but as we almost always do, we poured booze on the situation. It was fun, and we had fun, but I ended up fast asleep in the spare bedroom (our marital bed is supposed to stay sacred, that is a hard fast rule), when I woke up first, I found them asleep in my bed.

As communication is a necessity and dishonesty and hiding stuff has no place in polyamory, we had a chat. I learned that the first guy, my buddy, wasn't two isolated instances it was a full blown affair. The next guy, wasn't random, not even, they've been texting, even as far as some "I love yous" for a week (still font know the facts there, not sure it matters, my money is on 3 weeks). I still know that she loves me, I know I love her, I trust that she does not want to hurt me, but I do not trust that she will be honest if she thinks she made a deal breaker. (I do not feel that I have any deal breakers left in the bag) She did apologize, and promise not to hide things, henceforth.

Next is jealousy, that funny little green man telling you to act a fool and be a jack@$$. We spent this last weekend all together, they work at the same place, but her and I are the same shift, where he is on an opposite. Everything was fine until sex. Sex with three, apparently all insecure people with feelings, is a bad freaking idea, do not do it! We neither one can stand the other having a turn, and she has no idea how to split attention, it was disastrous both nights. To make it worse, he is a lot bigger than me (like he should be proud), she said she was nervous and wanted to spend the night alone with him after we had been at it for a while, because she didn't want it to be painful between them. I am dealing with the thoughts of being replaced and useless not that she is getting used to "king rhino". However, I do want to do this for her, she is my soulmate - not kidding. So the next day after I got over being butt hurt, I offered to try all three of us sleeping cuddling together. That didn't go well either, my turn made him jealous, his turn (quite literally) may have traumatized me, and none of us felt better in the morning. I even woke up before the alarm and was playful, but was later told that it felt obligatory. - (there, I'm the husband god damn right <- unhealthy I know) I vehemently oppose being a cuckold.

Now this week is a big deal for her. She holds a high level HR position and they're doing some sort of year planning thing where she will be gone, pretty much, all week. I have asked for couple time where she put her fucking cell phone (don't even get me started on that damn contraption), down and spend an evening being "just" with me. I feel like she dropped the ball, we had a stay date on Thursday, she was on her phone texting him, (apparently they were having issues with titles and commitment), so I was there for her. Saturday and Sunday were as described above, (our anniversary weekend mind you). Last night she was so stressed out and exhausted from work that she barely ate, and was, again, on the phone. I do not expect her home until late tonight, as she has organized a planning event and it it an hour away, ending late. Tomorrow is her one day this week that he is available for her until next Monday or Tuesday. All of this leaves me Thursday, I have a decent dinner planned, and I will be coming up with a few ideas, depending on her energy level, to try to spend quality time together. I am trying.

So, my question, am I being a spoiled brat because I am not used to this? How do you tell someone, after being nice the first 5 times, that you need more time with them and their attention without screaming and acting like a fool? I know she is busy, but this poly stuff sucks for me right now. Sex and NRE is another huge issue, I know I cant compete, I know that he is exciting, but I was not happy with the frequency of our coupling before this. I know that I need to put forth more effort to make me more exciting or appealing, but we have 4 kids, jobs, a new house, and more pets than I want to think about taking care of. This is a lot to deal with.

I almost think that if I added someone, that pool by the way is the Mohave desert, that I would be better at this, as I would have a distraction. I do know though, that if I were to do that now, it would only damage my marriage, I need to be "okay" before I make any decisions in that area.

I am on a roller coaster of emotions. Any wise words would be greatly appreciated.
 
..I had caught her and my best friend in bed together, a couple of times, after a lot of drinks....She is jealous, like come home drunk, mistake something, and beat the shit out of you for something that no one can figure out later, JEALOUS. I do a lesser, much more passive-aggressive (I know unhealthy as hell) degree am also extremely jealous. ....as we almost always do, we poured booze on the situation....

...I am on a roller coaster of emotions.

You'd be on a roller coaster of emotions no matter which shenanigans were going on in your marriage. This isn't about polyamory, nor is it about cheating. Really, how much more needs to get out of hand in your life before you see the golden gateway to Shalom Bayit right in front of you? Nothing is going to put your marriage on an upward path until you both start taking a good hard look at why you're drinking so much. If your wife is doing most of the drinking, why are you so attracted to her and to this situation? The extreme jealousy, resentment and sense of abandonment are all symptoms of a much deeper issue here.
 
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Agreed that the alcohol needs to go. If nothing else, sex and intimacy decisions should be made when fully sober since you can now see that it has only hurt and not helped.

Also, no more threesomes. You guys have found out that it doesn't work and causes jealousy, so just don't do it. Some things shouldn't be forced.

It's also not unreasonable to expect some dedicated quality time with your partner. Sit down and have a discussion about expectation and boundaries on both sides, and then stick to those boundaries. And by boundaries I mean each of your own personal boundaries. What YOU are willing to accept and not accept, and what SHE is willing to accept and not accept. And then if someone crosses your boundary you can choose to stay or go, or do whatever behavior based on your boundaries. That way it isn't one person dictating to the other how to act.

But also, it seems to me like you guys are rushing this. You jumped full on into the relationships when it sounds like you didn't communicate about it enough and for long enough. I know that she already had the affair going on, but either way, it sounds like you guys need to take a deep breath and SLOW DOWN.
 
Wow. I'm very sorry you struggle. You sound like you are in poly hell.


You also have a lot going on even without the poly stuff:

  • we have both been cheated on by every partner we have ever had
  • I have never cheated myself, but she has admitted to a few "indiscretions".
  • I had caught her and my best friend in bed together, a couple of times, after a lot of drinks.
  • She is jealous, like come home drunk, mistake something, and beat the shit out of you for something that no one can figure out later, JEALOUS.
  • I do a lesser, much more passive-aggressive (I know unhealthy as hell) degree am also extremely jealous.
  • I believe she has trust issues
  • I am a little too fast and loose with the trust.

Are you saying your wife cheats on you and hits you? If so, I am very sorry. Nobody deserves abuse. You deserve to be treated well. :(

So, my question, am I being a spoiled brat because I am not used to this?

No. You are human. There's enough problems going on here without you calling yourself names like "spoiled brat" on top of it. Please do not do that. Seek to TAKE AWAY from your load. Not ADD.

I learned that the first guy, my buddy, wasn't two isolated instances it was a full blown affair. The next guy, wasn't random, not even, they've been texting, even as far as some "I love yous" for a week

So she and your best friend had a long cheating affair behind your back and the times you caught them were not isolated moments.

And basically she was already dating/cheating with the new BF before you guys Opened the marriage. So... like she's now having her next cheating affair in the open with you assisting? You got snowed?

Or you guys all resolved the cheating thing and THEN decided to try being together? :confused:

The whole timeline there sounds messy and awfully fast. :(

How do you tell someone, after being nice the first 5 times, that you need more time with them and their attention without screaming and acting like a fool?

How about....

"I need more time with you with you actually PRESENT. I have asked for you attention nicely the last 5 times. This is becoming a big problem for me. Could you be willing to be more present and put away the phone? (List the behaviors you want her to stop/start doing.) "​

She's either going to answer "yes, willing" or "no, not willing" to change her behavior. If no, then you could move on to the next step. Which may be "I cannot do this any more like this. I no longer want to participate." Or you don't bother asking a 6th time and just skip ahead to that next step.

I get that it can take time to get used to new things, but at the same time? There's only so many second chances. After trying something for X times, if it isn't working out or improving a little bit?

You could stop doing it. Especially if choosing to participate is making you feel bad.

  • stop trying to poly with these people
  • stop participating in the marriage
  • stop living in the same house.
  • stop trusting her

Just... stop. So you can be free from all the "up and down" roller coaster drama. So you can be free from being hurt all the time.

When someone says they love you but do hurtful behavior toward you? That's not loving behavior toward you. :(

I know she is busy, but this poly stuff sucks for me right now. Sex and NRE is another huge issue, I know I cant compete, I know that he is exciting, but I was not happy with the frequency of our coupling before this.

I think that could have been resolved before Opening the marriage. Now there's still that old problem along among all the other old problems. Along with these new ones. :(

I almost think that if I added someone, that pool by the way is the Mohave desert, that I would be better at this, as I would have a distraction.

Not really. The old problems of
  • not enough sex with my wife
  • coping with wife cheating
  • coping with wife hitting
  • coping with kids, pets, house, etc

would all still be there. The new problem of "coping with wife's inattention" would still be there.

And the new person is a wild card. They could be neutral in terms of adding to your stress load or they could also add more problems to the pile.

I do know though, that if I were to do that now, it would only damage my marriage, I need to be "okay" before I make any decisions in that area.

I think that is the heart of it all. You guys were NOT ok in yourselves or in the marriage before Opening.

  • If you guys are spread thin with 4 kids, jobs, a new house, too many pets...
  • And on top of that your wife is cheating on you/hitting you/coming home drunk...
  • And on top of that you are too selfless? You keep on trusting her when she keeps on dinging you repeatedly?

There were already big problems/big stressors here before you guys Opened that can damage you/the marriage. :(

You don't sound like you guys relate in a healthy way.

I am on a roller coaster of emotions. Any wise words would be greatly appreciated.

If I were in your shoes? I would stop. If someone is cheating on you/hitting you... those are good reasons to stop associating yourself with them. Stop living in emotionally/physically volatile conditions.

Love is not enough to sustain a healthy relationship. There must be other things like respect, keeping promises, etc. You don't sound like you get that in this marriage. :(

It sounds like loving her "up close" is damaging to YOU. So I would bow out of this. Separate for time to clear your head, and move on to divorce.

You can keep on loving her if you want to. But from a safer distance away so all these behaviors aren't dinging you.

There has to be a point where you say "I love you a lot. But not even for you will I keep doing things that hurt me."

I think being in this marriage is hurting you. :(

Breaking up isn't fun. But when all the choices stink? I think you could go with the least stinky choice. If you cannot eliminate all the stink? At least REDUCE the stink and the things stressing you out. Like...

  • Stop doing group sex with wife and her bf/cheating affair partner/whoever he is.
  • Bow out of the (cheating affair in the open/poly thing/whatever kind of relationship this is) so you can no longer be cheated on / hurt by it emotionally.
  • Stop living together so you are not getting hit and being hurt physically. Make sure the kids are safe.
  • Find some of those pets new homes so there aren't so many.

I think you could seek to TAKE AWAY from your stress. Not ADD. I think you could seek to begin your healing process from all this... not seek to linger in the stink. YKWIM? I think you could walk away from the roller coaster.

Nobody deserves to be hit/cheated on/ abused. You deserve to be treated well. If your wife will not treat you well, YOU could treat you well and get away.

Again, I'm so sorry. :(

I hope things get better in time for you.

Galagirl
 
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Ok, the hitting thing happened one time and was because she thought she had caught me cheating. I was not, but things got out of hand.

She had an affair over a year ago. New bf started as an affair. I asked her to slow it down, I think they pulled the I love you stuff back. I don't even know what to ask them to do. I got a bit of an its too late to break it off vibe when I brought that part up.

She does not physically abuse me, that was intended to be a way to say how extremely jealous she is. I'm not exactly a wimpy guy.
 
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Thank you for clarifying.

At the same time... Maybe hitting you one time is enough times for you to decide you don't want to be here. Nobody deserves to be hit. Even if you are a physically strong guy? That's not ok or a healthy way to behave/solve problems. :(

There's also a long list of other behaviors that don't sound great. A lot of things sound out of hand. :(

What's the last straw to you? And are you approaching that point, at that point, or past that point? :confused:

I don't even know what to ask them to do. I got a bit of an its too late to break it off vibe when I brought that part up.

I don't know if http://felislunae.org/relationships-love/coming-clean/ could help you any.

  • If you asked wife if she's willing to be more present, spend more time with you in a more balanced way so you can be in a poly thing ok? And she says no, not willing? She's not willing then. You aren't going to get that here.

  • If you asked wife if she is willing to end it with her BF and she said she is not willing? She's not willing then. You aren't going to get that here. A return to Closed where it is just you and her.

  • If you asked wife to stop cheating, and she is not willing/able? You have traded (cheating in marriage) for (potential cheating in a poly situation.) It isn't like poly is "cheater proof."

So this is what you have being offered to you:

  • A poly situation that will not be changing any time soon that brings you down and feels like riding an emotional roller coaster.

That is what you have at this time. That doesn't mean you have to keep on going with that ride if you don't like it. You decide if that is a tasty sounding offer or not. If not? You can choose to get off the roller coaster.

It is never too late for you to bow out. Your consent to participate in things belongs to you, not other people. It is ok to say "I thought I could do this, but after trying I find I cannot. I have to bow out for my own health and well being. Staying in this hurts me mentally/emotionally."

I wonder if you are feeling stuck. Something like...

(I don't want to be doing poly here with these people like this) vs (I don't want to separate/divorce. I love her.)​

Is that where you are at?

What's your desired outcome?

Galagirl
 
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GalaGirl,

I think you and I come from different worlds in regards to the hitting thing, that one doesn't register, please let that go.

As far as your second portion, therein lies the heart of it.

Here is where I sit. I have asked for one on one time so that her and I can work on bonding and rebuilding trust. I also know that the trust thing will sting for a while. She has said that Thursday and this weekend are mine. I will need to be firm about a no cellphone rule for my alone time, I really hate that thing.

As for the willing to break it off with the bf that the cheating started with. I honestly do not know, and what scares me is I am afraid she does not know. I would like to think that it may not be easy, but she would choose our family.

As for leaving, if we make progress and the situation starts to improve, I will not even consider leaving her. There is a literal lifetime of information that I can not possibly hope to share on here that makes that decision easy. What isn't made easy is getting used to poly after being mono, and doing it with dinged trust. My desired outcome is to terrorize the staff at some poor unsuspecting nursing home with my wife, if there is a third wheelchair, well I am wrapping my head around that one.

I do want to thank you and Breathe and Fallen for the thoughtful words. I am using you guys, and anyone else that wants to join in as a clarifying tool. It's a little like therapy, or racquetball. Everything I have to explain, or maybe even challenge, not only makes me feel better about how I feel about it, but it helps me really analyze how I feel, and how I think she feels. I do not think she is careless in this, maybe a bit selfish. I do believe that if I can constructively show this to her it may help us both.
 
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Agreed that the alcohol needs to go. If nothing else, sex and intimacy decisions should be made when fully sober since you can now see that it has only hurt and not helped.

Wow, guess I did make us sound like raging alcoholics, and we may have been close at one point in time. But I just meant that we had drinks during the time. The decisions made were made long before hand. That is not to say that alcohol did not exacerbate this particular issue.

Also, no more threesomes. You guys have found out that it doesn't work and causes jealousy, so just don't do it. Some things shouldn't be forced.

Absolutely and we all three agree to that one. I would be open to re-visit in the future, the very distant future, and after all of my other issues are gone. I would also need everyone involved to have the ripcord option. "If it doesn't work for one, its over, everyone stops." But that is most likely a discussion for sometime next year.


But also, it seems to me like you guys are rushing this. You jumped full on into the relationships when it sounds like you didn't communicate about it enough and for long enough. I know that she already had the affair going on, but either way, it sounds like you guys need to take a deep breath and SLOW DOWN.

That is what I have been saying, I need to get her to pump the breaks.
 
I think you could frame that "please slow down" discussion in a way that emphasizes that you aren't asking her to slow down because you want to control her or her relationships, but that you really do want this to be successful, in which case, you need to process and wrap your head around some things. Remind her that she has had months or more getting used to the multiple partner thing since she has seen other people for that amount of time (I'd be delicate about wording there since it could come off as "yeah, remember how you cheated?!" and sound like picking a fight). But basically, she's already been seeing people and has this nice sweet set-up with multiple partners that are into her, where as this was more of a surprise and sudden change for you. So slowing down isn't a bad thing, it's actually progress to a good outcome.
 
Hi Cam,

It sounds like your wife's cell phone is a problem all by itself. That is, her excessive cell phone usage is a problem. I take it she is using it to constantly contact these other guys (I take it there are two guys she contacts) and ignore you. Add that on top of the kids, house, pets, and other things, and you probably want to grab that phone and throw it against a wall.

There are a lot of things working against you here. I get the impression that if just one of those things would recede, you would feel greatly relieved. Along those lines, I hope your wife will honor her promise to dedicate Thursday and the weekend to you.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Here is where I sit. I have asked for one on one time so that her and I can work on bonding and rebuilding trust. I also know that the trust thing will sting for a while. She has said that Thursday and this weekend are mine. I will need to be firm about a no cellphone rule for my alone time, I really hate that thing.

Sounds like at this time this is where to put your energy then. Work on rebuilding trust and how to proceed with this poly thing in a way that ALL of you can be ok with. Articulate clearly what you are willing to deal with and what the deal breakers are.

Hopefully she listens.

You seem to want to grow old with her. And you are willing to consider growing old with that "third wheelchair" person too. Is this a shared vision across all of you? I suppose that could be the next thing to sort out.

Galagirl
 
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Hi Cam,

It sounds like your wife's cell phone is a problem all by itself. That is, her excessive cell phone usage is a problem. I take it she is using it to constantly contact these other guys (I take it there are two guys she contacts) and ignore you. Add that on top of the kids, house, pets, and other things, and you probably want to grab that phone and throw it against a wall.

There are a lot of things working against you here. I get the impression that if just one of those things would recede, you would feel greatly relieved. Along those lines, I hope your wife will honor her promise to dedicate Thursday and the weekend to you.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.

She is only speaking to one person romantically. But she, and especially lately, seems to need to be on it constantly.

Here is a question for me to try to figure out, is that factual or my perception because of my circumstance.

Not actually sure, she has always been on the thing, it's hard to quantify. But I am quite certain that I am much more sensitive to it.
 
Is this a shared vision across all of you? I suppose that could be the next thing to sort out.

Galagirl

She has expressed that she wants to find a second "permanent" relationship. She said she basically wants a second husband. Waiting to explore that little bit until I have being poly down.
 
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So, which is true, then?


....as we almost always do, we poured booze on the situation.

Wow, guess I did make us sound like raging alcoholics, and we may have been close at one point in time. But I just meant that we had drinks during the time. The decisions made were made long before hand. That is not to say that alcohol did not exacerbate this particular issue.

I don't really need an answer, but consider that at very least, alcohol doesn't seem to be helping your situation in any way.
 
So, which is true, then?






I don't really need an answer, but consider that at very least, alcohol doesn't seem to be helping your situation in any way.

Was going to be snarky, but hell, I don't know anyone. Do I drink every night, no. Do I drink more than one time per week, yes. Have I had a drink before 5, I've had a drink before 8 - AM. Do I regularly take breaks from it, yes. What more do you want to know.

I actually meant having drinks while playing around. That was after we had made a conscientious and sober decision. Did it help? Helped take the edge off of a very different situation. I get that we were forcing it, none of us have any idea what it is that we are doing.
 
Hi Cam,

You sound like you're in an awful situation. It sounds like you're struggling to keep your relationship together with 4 children and pets on the line, whilst trying to accomodate your partner's desires in all of this, and trying to accept affairs as part of normal life. After all, both your partner and you have been cheated on by all your previous partners, and now, your partner has cheated on you as well.

Affairs are terrible and can crash relationships. Recovering from an affair is tough. Polyamory is tough. Doing both together? Very tough. I have a lot of respect for what you're putting yourself through for your marriage, Cam, but in your situation, I think I'd feel like shit. I mean, you got together, fell in love and I presume reassured each other you'd never cheat because you both know what that feels like, and here she is, cheating on you multiple times and having you find out by introducing her affair partner to you for a threesome. Yuck!

Affairs break bonds of intimacy and trust. Feeling insecure after an affair is common. After all, you've been lied to many times, been introduced to poly by being lied to about the third man... it can be hard to trust anything at all right now. You said it yourself - you feel that your wife would not be honest about deal-breakers. I wonder if this leaves you in the awful position of wondering how many deal-breakers she has broken without telling you. I wonder if your attempt at polyamory is in fact because of this - perhaps you feel you are agreeing to polyamory in an attempt to know about the deal-breakers; after all, if you lay down too many rules, you may feel she could just break all the deals without telling you. In essence, I wonder if you have considered, Cam, that you may be being held hostage to the dishonesty of the affair and the fear that your wife will choose her affair partner over you. It may not be the case, but my condolences if you feel there's an element of truth to that.

Like I said in my first sentence, it sounds like you are in an awful situation. Your biggest question is "Polyamory and cheating - can you work them out?" It's a common question asked here on this forum. You may have seen this article, but the counsellor in here says "not in my 30 years of experience". I give a few counter examples here in post 2. You sound like you're going into polyamory with less than full enthusiasm and this reminds me of CTF's and dingedheart's life stories, both now many years down the line and regretting it unfortunately. Here's a very intelligent man asking polyamory.com if it is wise to give reassuring advice on how to do polyamory to couples who may end up divorcing despite trying polyamory.

The above examples tend to say that it's near-impossible to go from an affair to polyamory. My take on polyamory and affairs is - how healthy is your monogamy? If your monogamy had no problems, then you are both good at relationshipping and may be able to add a second relationship to your first relationship. If not, then I can guarantee you that adding multiple relationships is unlikely to fix the primary relationship in the same way that adding children is unlikely to fix a relationship. After all, if you can't do one relationship right, how can you possibly do two? Here's a relationship vulnerability quiz that I wonder if you'd be interested in doing with your wife, with the different scores that you and your wife get serving as a discussion point that may lead to improvements in your relationship. I'd be interested in you and your wife's result if you're willing to share.

It's not all doom and gloom, Cam. If your main aim is to hold the house together, kids, pets and all, I think you can do it. I just don't think polyamory is the answer. I think your wife and you would benefit from counselling. Having multiple relationships is not the problem (polyamory is not the problem) - I feel it's the insecurity you describe which is due to the lies and lack of trust.

In the end, Cam, I hope you get what you want most. I get the sense that you want your wife more than you want polyamory and that you are agreeing, hesitatingly, to polyamory in order to keep your wife. Perhaps you can give her polyamory in the future but not with this man, and I suspect your relationship will have to improve to the point where she feels she can tell you about deal breakers. If she is unable to do so, then there will always be some measure of insecurity, lies and mistrust between you that will be unhealthy for a monogamous relationship and that will, in my opinion, destroy a polyamorous relationship. My advice to your wife would be to fix her relationship with you first, before trying to manage several relationships.

Good luck Cam, best wishes, and if you have found my advice helpful, please consider giving us an update on things as they progress.

With warm wishes,
Shaya.
 
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You are pretty close.

As an update, I kinda went off of the wagon last week and lost my mind, it may be understandable, but to me, unacceptable. Her and I are working on us when it is my time. One of the hardest things to get your heart and head to accept is the half time situation. I used to have all of it, now I do not. There are countless insecurities and fears and jealousies to work through, but for now I am going to try to keep calm and put in the effort. If it works out, and I pray that it does, great. If not? Well, I will have to deal with that another time.
 
I thought I'd comment seeing how I was mentioned by name :D

Yes it's true I wasn't jumping up and down with enthusiasm when this was presented. I definitely think the demotion, displacement, and intrusion played a huge factor in that. Seeing and feeling a value add into my life, our life and that as a family as whole would have helped too.


One of the hardest things to get your heart and head to accept is the half time situation. I used to have all of it, now I do not.
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Good luck with that. See above ^. I think personality and preference play a big role here . How much less are you willing to take? I remember waking up the day after our wedding anniversary ( I slept in the basement falling asleep in front of the TV ) thinking is this as good as life gets ....is this what I have to look forward to.? Is she a great wife and partner right now ??
 
That feeling of demotion can happen even when people are already happily nonmonogamous.

Cindy & I started as virgins, & also interested in nonmonogamy. We had casual dates with others, & had even discussed suggesting it point-blank to a couple we'd been close to for a couple of years.

We were both halfway through undergrad at the time. It came out that more than a few of her "studying" night were spent having sex with Dan. Actually, Dan was a modeately cool guy, & I'd guessed there was attraction there even before Cindy figured it out. The sex didn't bug me half so much as the subterfuge & lying.

I told her I didn't want to be her "backup plan." Not asking for her treatment of Dan & me to be somehow "equal," but simply that I not be expected to be the only one to be available to help with projects & otherwise accept what scraps of time appeared. I told her I trusted her to take the lead in shaping how we'd deal with others in our lives -- after all, she was "first out the gate."

Down the road, I started dating Audrey. It was platonic but very close intellectually: she shared my love of science fiction, introduced me to dark beer, & taught me to read Tarot & play a good game of backgammon. Cindy had to (with my help) figure out how to deal with me not always being available at her convenience & that she wasn't my "number one" priority.
 
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