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I need to understand how this whole money thing is remotely ok. How ironclad is this fundraising effort against claims of malfeasance?

Collecting money for a legal defense fund is allowed. Jesse Jackson Jr,. Scooter Libby, Mike Honda, Duke Cunningham, Tom Delay, Bob Nay, William Jefferson are just a few of the many people who have established legal defense funds while serving in various federal offices.
 
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Collecting money for a legal defense fund is allowed. Jesse Jackson Jr,. Scooter Libby, Mike Honda, Duke Cunningham, Tom Delay, Bob Nay, William Jefferson are just a few of the many people who have established legal defense funds while serving in various federal offices.

I think that this is different from setting up a legal defense fund while merely serving in a federal office.

It's like if an elected official were to say, "OK if I vote the way you want me to, it's going to open me up to get sued, so I need you to give me money, just in case that happens, if you want me to vote your way."

And especially in a situation where their Gofundme effort is likely to bring in a LOT of support, probably more than they'd need for lawyers and fines... I'm sorry but I have serious concerns about the ethics, legality, and the vulnerability to challenge. In an election like this, these people should almost be sequestered like jurors or something. I'm stunned that this is being allowed to happen.
 
... I have serious concerns about the ethics, legality, and the vulnerability to challenge.

I'm no attorney, but the defense funds are legal and as long as there are receipts that show how the money was spent, I don't see an ethical problem nor how anyone could challenge the fact that every penny indeed went to legal expenses. Millions are raised in campaigns and how do we know for sure that the funds were spent ethically and legally? I suppose that it's similar in this case.
 
I'm no attorney, but the defense funds are legal and as long as there are receipts that show how the money was spent, I don't see an ethical problem nor how anyone could challenge the fact that every penny indeed went to legal expenses. Millions are raised in campaigns and how do we know for sure that the funds were spent ethically and legally? I suppose that it's similar in this case.

They have other expenses as an organization other than their legal defense fund, I'm sure -- e.g., website design, construction and hosting... and who knows what else. I don't know if they pay themselves for their time or if they are volunteers. So long as they are not paying themselves a very large sum for their time, I see no ethical problem in getting a non-profit wage or salary. Surely they will do well to decide wisely about how they use any donated money!

I and my partner recently created a non-profit corporation, but we've never yet brought in enough money to even consider paying anyone for their time, so I'm yet not fully informed about the legal details about such things. I'm not on the board of directors, so I think I could get a salary if we brought in enough to pay one. I think maybe board members are not allowed to be paid for their labor. Not entirely sure. (We'll investigate this when it's a meaningful question.)
 
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"I’m happy to admit the online growth and reach of climate science denialists and conspiracy theorists terrifies me. Why?

The problem is not that these sites exist but that not enough people seem to know the difference between actual news, fake news, partisan opinion and conspiratorial bullshit. One of those people is the president-elect of the United States."


https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-conspiracy-culture-of-climate-science-denial


The result is that millions of people in America think that the most basic questions of current climate science are unsettled -- such as (a) Is global warming happening? and (b) Is it caused by human activities?

Given both the scientific data and the readily observable changes to our climate, this means that millions of Americans are living in a dangerously delusional fantasy world.

Perhaps they don't believe in thermometers, but do they believe their eyes when they see the houses in Alaskan villages sinking into the melted permafrost?
 
"I’m happy to admit the online growth and reach of climate science denialists and conspiracy theorists terrifies me. Why?

The problem is not that these sites exist but that not enough people seem to know the difference between actual news, fake news, partisan opinion and conspiratorial bullshit. One of those people is the president-elect of the United States."


https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-conspiracy-culture-of-climate-science-denial


The result is that millions of people in America think that the most basic questions of current climate science are unsettled -- such as (a) Is global warming happening? and (b) Is it caused by human activities?

Given both the scientific data and the readily observable changes to our climate, this means that millions of Americans are living in a dangerously delusional fantasy world.

Perhaps they don't believe in thermometers, but do they believe their eyes when they see the houses in Alaskan villages sinking into the melted permafrost?

"They" will only believe what they are told to believe. This is a cult we are talking about. There is no logic. There is no believing one's eyes.
 
"They" will only believe what they are told to believe. This is a cult we are talking about. There is no logic. There is no believing one's eyes.

Indeed. Those who value reasoned discourse attempt to engage these folks with reason and pretty soon the room is spinning like word salad in a word salad spinner.

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... and completely unrelatedly, this:



THE NEW ANARCHISTS
DAVID GRAEBER
New Left Review 13, January-February 2002

https://newleftreview.org/II/13/david-graeber-the-new-anarchists


This article is about a decade and a half old, but it's just as relevant today as ever.
 
I've been reading and watching lots of stuff about trump. I'm now thinking that this man's election is the worst thing that has happened to America in my 50 years of life. He's very dangerous and profoundly unfit for the presidency.

I can only hope that somehow he can be kept out of the office.

He's not only dangerous to Americans but also to the whole world, since he would be commander and chief of the U.S. military. This is a job he's not merely unqualified for but which he can only blunder at to the most dangerous extent imaginable.

He is a sociopathic narcissist (and bully) -- plain and simple. But he's also a very bitter, angry, disturbed person who should not be allowed to run a taco stand on the border.
 
Apparently -- as in "based on comments regularly made by thought-shapers on this site" -- sincere doubt of ideals like faith & hope & trust is CYNICISM, which of course cannot be tolerated by any Right-Thinking People. :eek:

It's fine to have ideals. Problems quickly arise when people assume that by airily invoking the Sacred Words they are doing any more than nothing to bring some Nirvana into actuality -- I'd contend they are doing LESS than nothing, because the empty act frees them from any actual effort in the direction they espouse.

The single most important thing we are teaching our children is how to be gullible idiots. Pick an article:

"fake news" "young people"

I can understand why I hear the forty- & fifty-somethings around me blather on about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide or how the Clinton Cartel murdered a snoopy FBI agent -- we're halfway to senility (& some of us have enough trouble distinguishing TV programs from infomercials).

Speaking as a guy who began designing a crtitical-thinking seminar in 1986, I'm disappointed... but not surprised.

(FWIW, we shelved the project after a few years, when we figured out that Aleister's Axiom held & the only people who'd take the course were the ones who didn't need it. :rolleyes:)
 
It's fine to have ideals. Problems quickly arise when people assume that by airily invoking the Sacred Words they are doing any more than nothing to bring some Nirvana into actuality -- I'd contend they are doing LESS than nothing, because the empty act frees them from any actual effort in the direction they espouse.

Are you suggesting that real doers just do things and never talk about them (or the ideals which inspire these acts) while all talkers (and writers) ever do is yammer on pointlessly?
 
It's fine to have ideals. Problems quickly arise when people assume that by airily invoking the Sacred Words they are doing any more than nothing to bring some Nirvana into actuality -- I'd contend they are doing LESS than nothing, because the empty act frees them from any actual effort in the direction they espouse.

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The Electoral College votes today. I'm not too optimistic about the ability of the Hamilton Electors to change this election, but I sure do admire them for taking their appointment seriously and doing their intended job. It's been a fascinating election season.
 
Oh dear...

The Russian ambassador to Turkey was just assassinated in a museum in the capital of Turkey, by a gunman who was shot dead after posing dramatically and yelling something about how people are dying in Aleppo.

This is the kind of event that world wars are made of. Fuck. Buckle up, folks.
 
From my Facebook:

"Trump is such a Russian toy that I'm beginning to wonder if inside of him are a series of progressively smaller white nationalists."
 
Are you suggesting that real doers just do things and never talk about them (or the ideals which inspire these acts) while all talkers (and writers) ever do is yammer on pointlessly?
Seriously?? :rolleyes: What I'm saying is that we are now in a Clap For Tinkerbell world, & it's infecting even sites such as this. Maybe it's irony that, by trotting out this lame "misunderstanding" -- a propaganda tactic -- you have attempted to undermine, even bury, my point.

If you've done it unintentionally or unconsciously, that does NOT improve the situation.

Go back & reread my post -- it's not that long. Go slowly, so you don't miss any words or punctuation or suchlike niggly nuances.

Okay, got it? Now read it again, just to be certain.

You might notice that I said NOTHING about philosophers or strategists or any other architects of analysis & thought.

I say the "social media" world demonstrates the OPPOSITE of that.

This shows that the Right Wingnuts have won. They have succeeded in making a FACT-BASED intellectual sphere lessimportant than one that is FAITH-BASED. (Remember that term??)

For example, people who deride others for being CYNICAL or PESSIMISTIC... then use these context-free damnations to denounce the messenger... & any subsequent statement no matter how bland... & in fact to make clear that anyone who appears to be defending the messenger &/or beginning to sound at all like the messenger will face similar judgment.

Defending verifiable FACTS in dank caverns like Twitter & Facebook won't make any short-term difference. I'm gonna run with that analogy: a big (possibly huge) hole in the rock, with dozens or hundreds or maybe even thousands of people, & damned little light. When you've got even a few who find it "fucking hilarious" (channeling Gerald Broflovski here) to randomly let out a shrill scream, or kick someone who's unaware of his atacker's presence, or expound confidently about how you all must preemptively attack the "enemies all around," nobody who remains quiet or speaks in a calming manner will be noticed.

And I can pretty much guarantee that anyone who attempts to disagree with the trolls or Loud Talkers won't gain many friends, & in fact will likely be among the first "enemies" targeted.

Anyone who was on PMM in 2001 saw this transition, & that was really primitive compared to Social Media 2017, so I figure the outfall will be much worse, & much quicker.

We've entered a world where it's of prime importance to publish/post/retweet a story FIRST even it's total bullshit (& in fact is ludicrous even to the uninformed).

Far less important are fact, truth, veracity, information. The anti-intellectuals have won, in part due to wide support from those who somehow still fancy themselves as Brights. (The truly bright ones are the ones who self-check. "I believe, O Lord -- help me in mine unbelief!")

For instance, every time someone launches a Fake News or parody item without clearly indicating that it's meant humorously is complicit in swaying the thinking processes of anyone downstream in reposts/retweets/bccs.

Matter on fact, I'm reminded of a statement I made years ago while studying information theory. Back then, I warned how this new World Wide Web thing would always run the risk of swamping people in so much data that they could no longer think clearly enough to properly process the information it contains. (The ability to distinguish data from information is a vital critical-thinking skill.)

By accident, after I started thinking about this, I happened to read a 1979 :eek: novel. Norman Spinrad's A World Between posited a world where all citizens were hyperconnected. The narrative mention that every once in a while, a citizen literally walks away from his (yeah, it's mildly sexist) computers, & winds up living in a leanto deep in the woods, freed from the barrage. The syndrome is called media cafard. I've always felt Spinrad's Epic Fail was in not exploring this further.

Can you do anything until you walk away? Sure -- in every Comments area you can access, post calm factchecks of obvious bullshit, & accept that you're gonna get flamed to a crispy stump. :D Consider creating disposable accounts only for these calm points of actual information, in faint hope of encouraging others to actually THINK.

And if it's NOT bullshit, then resist every urge to nitpick: leave off on their grammar or delivery or less-than-spotless command of English. Every statement of "I generally agree with what you're saying but you suck for HOW you're saying it" gives strength to the marching morons.

Most of you are city kids. Ever seen a fly-bottle? An ingeniously simple device.
Flies enter the bottle in search of food and are then unable to escape because their phototaxis behavior leads them anywhere in the bottle except to the darker top where the entry hole is.

In use, the bottle is stood on a plate and some sugar is sprinkled on the plate to attract the flies, which eventually fly up into the bottle, whose trough is filled with beer or vinegar, into which the flies fall and drown.
Actually, the flies don't drown outright. They get damp, swim around... & are pushed under by the other damp flies. It's mildly horrifying.

I am a drowning fly.
 
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I only disagree in the sense that I think how things are said can often make a difference.

If you know your audience, that is.

Mainly I don't think that being confronting or challenging gets people anywhere. Nowadays nobody cares about facts or data or information. They care about how the message, and the person delivering it, makes them FEEL. While I have had people stand up against me and argue, the ONLY tactic I have found to deploy to get them to settle down and stop fighting me and listen, is to soothe their egos. To calm the fight impulse in 'em.

But I think that while the internet has changed the terrain a LOT, there has always been this thing where being right and knowing facts and repeating true things... Look I think it's a fallacy to think of it as two (or more, or vastly more) sides where even though both think they're right, only one really is, and they'll duke it out with debate until one wilts under the assault of logic and factual information, and admits to being wrong, whereupon the entire herd accepts the Rightness of the Victor.

That's not how this works. That's now how ANY of this has EVER worked.

I can't name a time in human history when people were NOT flailing around in the utter unshakable belief of the absolute rightness of some completely incorrect and not remotely factual BULLSHIT. When have we ever not done that? Usually we're killing each other over it. And we totally still do.

So what is the goal? That all of humanity will somehow find enlightenment and truth and somehow agree and world peace will ensue? Ya think? Well that is bloody optimistic of ya, but I doubt I'll see it happen in my lifetime. Maybe if we're lucky the aliens will show up and set us all straight or something.

We're all drowning flies, my friend. And have been since the dawn of human social history. This is nothing new. Social media just lets us whip out our wrong bits and make sure more humans get to see them waving in the breeze, dude. Instead of being a dumbass for your tribe or your town or maybe making the local papers, your stupidity can go "viral" now. Isn't that just delightful?
 
I see where you're going, of course, & I've long hoped for some sort of rationalist utopia to appear.

I also understand that the word "eutopia" means "no-place" -- that is, "doesn't exist."

A core problem, as I've decried for like 30 years, is the ever-encroaching demand for immediate gratification. Compare the number of people you know who talk about getting rich in the stock market or Powerball (or when the next POTUS delivers Paradise-on-Earth), yet can't be bothered to set aside ten bucks a week in a nice safe 401(k).

I knew lefty Californians who voted for Reagan just so they could say they were part of the winning team. Since, I saw that happen with Bush II & with Trump.

With social media, many people would rather have the hottest story, & be the first to blatt it around, with no need for factuality. Or thinking.

And besides bragging rights, such virtual lip-flapping is simpler. Why bother with all that tough stuff like discourse, compromise, logic, rationality? So now we have the dominance of this --
Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.
IRL, real fixes & progress has a way of being limited in efficacy, time, & scope, yet everyone continues to demand this stuff happen instantaneously, & perfect for all eternity -- consider Obamacare. And as I've previously said, this nation's democracy was intended to have lots of "friction" in the form of checks-&-balances, state-versus-Fed, three branches, & so on, because a lack of "gridlock" points us directly toward autcratic dictatorship, QED.

Discussion takes time & effort, it's messy, & not everyone will be satisfied.

Better, apparently, to let it be crowdsourced, which (like any form of consensus decisionmaking) really means the outcome will be determined by the loudest, angriest voices, & acceded by the fearful.

Why ought people think when they can just repost?

I take solace in random Mencken. Rather than retype (I'm lazy) or paraphrase (he deserves better), I'm gonna break my own rule.;)
Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.
All of us, if we are of reflective habit, like and admire men whose fundamental beliefs differ radically from our own. But when a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or count himself lost.
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
The pedant and the priest have always been the most expert of logicians—and the most diligent disseminators of nonsense and worse. The liberation of the human mind has never been furthered by dunderheads; it has been furthered by gay fellows who heaved dead cats into sanctuaries and then went roistering down the highways of the world, proving to all men that doubt, after all, was safe—that the god in the sanctuary was finite in his power and hence a fraud. One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent.
The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding their heads in shame.

What should be a civilized man's attitude toward such superstitions? It seems to me that the only attitude possible to him is one of contempt. If he admits that they have any intellectual dignity whatever, he admits that he himself has none. If he pretends to a respect for those who believe in them, he pretends falsely, and sinks almost to their level. When he is challenged he must answer honestly, regardless of tender feelings.
It is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false.
 
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Seriously?? :rolleyes: What I'm saying is that we are now in a Clap For Tinkerbell world, & it's infecting even sites such as this. Maybe it's irony that, by trotting out this lame "misunderstanding" -- a propaganda tactic -- you have attempted to undermine, even bury, my point.

If you've done it unintentionally or unconsciously, that does NOT improve the situation.

Perhaps you mistook my actual, legitimate, sincere question for a "rhetorical question"? It was not. And I think there was sufficient uncertainty or ambiguity for my question to be legitimate.

I'm an activist. I do stuff intended to create social change. I've been around people who like to think of themselves as activists who can't stand talk about theory, tactics, philosophy, etc. SERIOUSLY. In fact, these types see all talking as a pointless evasion of action. Forgive me if I've beecome over-sensitized to this phenomenon so that I may sometimes see it where it is not. I've grown weary of this splash of mud in my face.

Perhaps this is because ours is now such an anti-intellectual culture ... and I'm a thinker, writer... theorist, etc. In other words, I'm what they used to call a "nerd". But some of us nerds actually do stuff. We really do.
 
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