Tight Lipped Wife

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We are new to poly and we are loving it. To my amazement my wife is getting into it. She grew up in a strict religious home and was very reticent at first to participate. The problem is that she is very shy when it comes to sharing the new experiences she has with her BF. If she is learning and liking something new I want to know what it is so I can do it for her too. It's like pulling teeth to get her to tell me anything, especially about the bruises. Some of them are fairly easy to figure out. The bruises that I can't figure out is the bruises she gets on her back. She gets these matching bruises just under her shoulder blades that are 2 1/2 inches long and one inch wide running parallel to her shoulder blades. I'm guessing it's from his fingertips but, my imagination can't figure the rest. Any ideas? Has anyone had these kind of bruises? I'm guessing it's something her religious background won't let her tell me. Probably pretty kinky. My curiosity is killing me. If she likes it I want to do it for her too! Your thoughts...
 
Yes, maybe back off with that. She may not be comfortable sharing that level of detail with you. Whilst some poly people incorporate this type of Fetish for giving and receiving intimate details of other liaisons (I personally do), many people do not. It certainly isn't a "given".
 
If she doesn't want to tell you, she's probably being private, not "tight-lipped". Which may be attributed to her religious background, or may just be a part of her personality. A lot of people are uncomfortable discussing their sex life with others.

Her relationship with her BF is pretty much just that -- her relationship. There's no obligation on her to tell you anything about it, though occasional status updates might be helpful.

If you want to improve your sex life with her, try to find out what she likes and enjoys. Ask and observe. She may not want you to do what he does, because, after all, you are two different people and presumably she values you for your uniqueness.
 
Yeah, don't try to bring her other relationship into yours. It's kind of uncool to pry. Just work on building your own sex life with her.
 
Whoa!

I see I struck a nerve. I just wanted to know if anyone knows or experienced the bruises I described. I gave our background just to introduce ourselves. I see the error of my ways. I need to stop asking. I still would like some help with the bruises. Am I wrong to ask for help there?
 
Why do the bruises matter? Do they bother you? Is it strictly curiosity? If it's just curiosity, I'd say you just need to accept that she wants to keep it private. If it bothers you, then maybe you need to discuss setting up some boundaries to keep their sex life from affecting you/your relationship. If she is open to that.
 
Maybe the guy has a hide-a-bed with a thin mattress and the bruises are from the bed rungs. Maybe they're from elaborate bondage gear. Maybe it's not the sex--maybe they're skydiving and the bruises are from the straps. I agree with the others--her private sex life is hers, so long as she's adhering to any agreements (i.e, safe sex practices, etc) that you have in place. Her desire to keep the details private may or may not have anything to do with her religious upbringing, and the bruises may or may not be something kinky. I don't want my partners sharing our sex lives with their partners if we're not all involved with one another (and even then, our one-on-one encounters aren't to be shared in gory detail). I am not someone else's porn, and I am not having sex for an outsider's pleasure. It's a deal-breaker for me in relationships,and all my partners have been aware of this. If they've been involved in relationships with full disclosure policies that include graphic sexual details, then we simply realize we have our own boundaries and go our own ways, no hard feelings.

It sounds like you and your wife need to talk about what you will and won't share (both about the sex lives you have with other lovers, as well as what you can share with other partner's about your mutual sex life). And, consider respecting not only her boundaries, but those of the metamour, as well.

As far as "if she likes it, I want to do it for her, too," it's worth noting that people are different, and she may not want or need whatever it is from you that is giving her bruises (assuming it's anything sexual at all). You are you, you are not him. Your sex life with her is yours, not theirs. I do some things with some lovers, and not with others, for a lot of reasons. Some things feel natural with some people and not others. As an example, I have a partner with which I do some pretty heavy BDSM stuff, and we're both switches. It's natural because it's a dynamic we have and something we both get off on and enjoy. My ex-GF, who I was with simultaneously as my current partner, and I didn't engage in any BDSM because it just wasn't our dynamic--it wasn't her interest and she wasn't enthusiastic about it, so it wasn't any fun. But, we still had fun sex in many other ways that I didn't necessarily have with other partners. Each relationship is different, and people are different.

Concentrate on finding your own groove with your partner. If you want to try something new, try it (if she's on board, obviously). Don't try to replicate something going on in an entirely different context--find what fits your relationship, your context. It will be wildly more successful.
 
I need to stop asking.

Correct.

When someone says they don't want to share a part of their personal life that means they don't want to share it and you need to back off. That is, if you have any respect for this person at all.

I still would like some help with the bruises. Am I wrong to ask for help there?

You're kind of stuck in a loop, looks like. The bruises are not the issue that is going to help your relationship... respecting your partners boundaries is.

You might consider going to a BDSM site to discuss the finer points of bruising.
 
She might not actually know when the bruises occur :rolleyes:. I, personally, don't prefer to share intimate details of sexual experiences (no religious upbringing involved, just my personality). BUT I would routinely get these little bruises on my upper arms (I bruise easily) that we couldn't figure out...never have, even once we noticed them and started paying attention...just saying. :cool:
 
On the other hand, if she is doing BDSM, or some kind of rough sex, and the bruising is from that, it can bother the more vanilla partner a lot. Some people agree to try and avoid bruising, scratches, hickies, if it's really bugging the partner who isn't doing the bruising.

I am sorry you are feeling left out. Sometimes disconnects can happen with poly partners, that border on envy or jealousy, and that isn't easy to deal with!
 
If you are concerned about her safety and well-being, you can ask her if she is being hurt in a way she does not want. If she is hesitant or uncomfortable about sex talk, and is a bit timid, she might also be uncomfortable about telling a lover to stop something that hurts - especially if she thinks that she's not supposed to object in order to be "doing poly right." I don't think it is unreasonable to check in with her to make sure that everything she's doing is consensual. You can also befriend and/or talk to her lover to assess whether he is respectful of her boundaries or not.

Beyond basic safety, however, if I were you, I would trust that if she wants you to try something different than what you usually do, she will let you know. I would not recommend that you try to replicate whatever sex acts they're doing.
 
On the other hand, if she is doing BDSM, or some kind of rough sex, and the bruising is from that, it can bother the more vanilla partner a lot. Some people agree to try and avoid bruising, scratches, hickies, if it's really bugging the partner who isn't doing the bruising
If you are concerned about her safety and well-being, you can ask her if she is being hurt in a way she does not want. If she is hesitant or uncomfortable about sex talk, and is a bit timid, she might also be uncomfortable about telling a lover to stop something that hurts

While I agree with the sentiment, I am boggled by why you guys are bringing this into the conversation. He very clearly is envious that she's doing something that doesn't involve him and just wants to know what it is so that he can do it as well.

I know that, because that's what he unambiguously said.

I will never understand how quickly this board brings a perfectly non-abuse oriented conversation *straight* into an abuse conversation. It's practically an obsession.
 
While I agree with the sentiment, I am boggled by why you guys are bringing this into the conversation. He very clearly is envious that she's doing something that doesn't involve him and just wants to know what it is so that he can do it as well.

Sure, I just thought it was a relevant tangent, while we were on the bruising subject. You know, conversation. Sometimes it flows.
 
I will never understand how quickly this board brings a perfectly non-abuse oriented conversation *straight* into an abuse conversation. It's practically an obsession.

Hey, I'm a woman and the sad fact is that society has taught me to always be on my guard about personal safety. You'd have to be constantly bombarded by sexism and/or threatening behaviors throughout your life to understand, I suppose.

However, I wasn't suggesting the OP's wife is being abused. She is new to poly, was hesitant at first, and is now coming home with bruises that she doesn't want to talk about. Yes, she comes from a conservative background so she might just be uncomfortable talking about sex, but there is also the possibility that she isn't used to speaking up for herself in a sexual arena. Conservative religions usually teach that women shouldn't have sexual desires beyond pleasing their husbands, so she could be going along with poly, having extramarital sex, and taking part in sexual acts not for her own enjoyment as much as to make her husband happy. The bruising could be due to some kind of BDSM practice or rough sex, and having safewords is no guarantee that a timid person would say "stop" before they've gone further than they wanted.

Since most of the responses focused on telling the OP to basically mind his business, I wanted to point out that one valid reason to ask her about her sex life with the boyfriend would be if he is concerned about her safety, but beyond that, to allow her privacy if she doesn't want to talk about it. That is all.
 
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There's a difference between "jumping to abuse" and "being aware that abuse is possible and being on guard against it." Unfortunately, abuse is more common than people realize, partially because we don't talk about it as a society, and we don't publicly recognize many of the types of abuse like yelling and manipulation. I'm inclined to side with nyc in the sense that "don't ask" isn't always the best policy, depending on what you know about her personality and background. But I would approach it by saying to her: "I just want you to know, you don't have to do anything you're not 100% comfortable with, either with me or with someone else. I hope you have the trust to discuss with me anything that you're uncomfortable with. I noticed these bruises, and I'm just needing some assurance that you're not being hurt against your will." And then trust that if she needs to talk about it, she will.

Anyway, my thoughts on the BDSM aspect are basically... "If you have to ask, you probably wouldn't do it right." While it is possible for people to learn to be kinky, it always seems to be a struggle. When you're on the receiving end of something that the giver doesn't enjoy giving for its own sake, it's not half as much fun as receiving something that pleases the top in and of itself. In vanilla speak... blow jobs are always more fun when the person giving the blow job loves giving blow jobs. Someone can learn how to give good blow jobs, and even learn how to fake enjoying it, but it's never the same as someone who actually enjoys it.

So if you're interested in doing kinky things with your wife... check in whether that's because you're really interested yourself, or is it because you're envious that she's getting something from someone else that you're not giving her? Are you anxious to prove that you're still valuable in her life, despite not giving her these things? What are some other ways you can assure yourself of your value in the relationship without mimicking what someone else is doing?
 
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Hey, I'm a woman and the sad fact is that society has taught me to always be on my guard about personal safety. You'd have to be constantly bombarded by sexism and/or threatening behaviors throughout your life to understand, I suppose.

To understand why people insist on throwing abuse into a topic where it is not necessary? I have no doubt that my life experiences and social conditioning differ from people who have this natural instinct to bring up abuse as if it were the topic at hand, even though it isn't.

This poster is in no way expressing concern for his partners safety. He merely wants to replicate what someone else is doing because he feels left out.

I guess if people bring in the abuse topic (or the coercion topic) as a PSA, not related to the topic at hand, I kind of get that. But it seems like a sticky topic or something would be better... to get it out of the system.
 
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I'm still fairly new around here, but abuse was the first thing I thought of and I'm not one to jump to that conclusion at all. That said, I agree that it wasn't something he was coming to from his own perspective. The danger is that he could run with that and use it as an excuse to badger her into talking about what she doesn't want to talk about. Better safe than sorry...here meaning bring up the abuse angle for a quick, but significant check...then move on. He's an adult. Surely he wouldn't misuse that information.

Honestly, Marcus, it reads to me like people were trying to exhaust all the discussion topics to make sure everything was hit on (no pun intended), not belaboring the abuse topic. We come here because, in part, we like to discuss things. Perhaps over discuss things even. It happened to be one of the paths not discussed yet.

To me (and ymmv), the poster sounds both like he's genuinely curious about the new activities AND that he wants to replicate what someone else is doing because he feels left out. He's got to do the hard work of sorting out which it really is (or both) and what the best thing to do in service to the relationship is.

So if you're interested in doing kinky things with your wife... check in whether that's because you're really interested yourself, or is it because you're envious that she's getting something from someone else that you're not giving her? Are you anxious to prove that you're still valuable in her life, despite not giving her these things? What are some other ways you can assure yourself of your value in the relationship without mimicking what someone else is doing?

Couldn't agree with this more. You've got to be yourself. Don't attempt to mimic something you're not really into as a way to grasp the limb at the edge of the cliff just so you can hang on.

Anyway, my thoughts on the BDSM aspect are basically... "If you have to ask, you probably wouldn't do it right." While it is possible for people to learn to be kinky, it always seems to be a struggle. When you're on the receiving end of something that the giver doesn't enjoy giving for its own sake, it's not half as much fun as receiving something that pleases the top in and of itself. In vanilla speak... blow jobs are always more fun when the person giving the blow job loves giving blow jobs. Someone can learn how to give good blow jobs, and even learn how to fake enjoying it, but it's never the same as someone who actually enjoys it.

This I take issue with in part, but not entirely.

Yes, faking something you're not into is bad. Yes, people work better when their external play actions fit their internal self-identity (e.g. a D-type acting like a D-type). But BDSM is filled with asking questions and exploring things you don't know. And there's no true or false test on the range of kink. People can fit all up and down a spectrum from light to heavy...from emotional to emotionless...from high protocol to totally informal. This guy might very well enjoy kink if he was exposed to it. Hell, I've met people at gatherings claiming they were entirely vanilla who were on their knees and performing commands by the middle of the night. There's a lot of education that goes on in BDSM, so I don't think you have to know it all from the onset. I do agree that you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. If power exchange isn't for you then it simply isn't.

Having said all that, I do feel that since the new BF "got there first" (i.e. engaged in kink first), everything afterwards seems like jealousy and catching up, though I'd love to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that because he loves his partner, he's genuinely interested in what she is learning. If you really want to get into the lifestyle, perhaps try it with someone else. That too could come off as manipulative though.

Accept that loving her includes respecting her privacy and not sharing everything. Would you read her personal diary if she told you not to? Would you force her to cuddle you when she just said she wanted to go into the living room and read a book alone? Of course not. When and if she's ready, she'll tell you.

Take SC's advice and take steps to assure yourself of your value in the relationship, without regard for what she's got going on in her other relationship.
 
Honestly, Marcus, it reads to me like people were trying to exhaust all the discussion topics to make sure everything was hit on (no pun intended), not belaboring the abuse topic. We come here because, in part, we like to discuss things. Perhaps over discuss things even. It happened to be one of the paths not discussed yet.

That is a very diplomatic way to put it and I respect your effort to put for a viable argument for both sides of the disagreement.

Who knows, perhaps the insistence on dragging it into a conversation about abuse could help this unsuspecting poster find his way into a conversation he needed to be in. Perhaps by injecting concepts of abuse and coercion into every conversation is just a preventative measure. I'm wrong very often, this could very well be one of those times.
 
I don't think you're entirely wrong about there being a repetitive script, by any means. I just think it gets brought up so often because it's on a list of possible issues, whether it truly applies or not.
 
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