Triggers and trying for newbies - Beautiful relationship in the balance. Guidance Nee

BleedingHeart2

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Community, I need your help.

Like so many of you here, I acknowledge the powerful wants and needs about myself and choose to share them with my partner — knowing that only by sharing these truths and working with them, can we have a truly fulfilled life together. But - while, I know that I lie somewhere in the spectrum of desiring openness and sex with more than one, I am new to this, and I kindly, and urgently request your guidance.

After close to a year, with who I will refer to as my “queen”, we are deeply interlocked in love, with real plans to change the world, start a family and more. But - today after fears, frustrations and anxieties around openness have built up and risen to intolerable levels, we’ve found ourself in dire threat of complete collapse.

Tonight we have time set aside for an immensely important talk, a life changing talk and we need your help.

My queen is incredibly fun and enjoys sex parties and has proclivities for some openness, but finds herself being mostly monogamy oriented in our relationship. I find myself further on the side of non-monogamy. While I’ve had genuine compersion in events that include myself, other men and my queen, she’s nearly always had immense triggering reactions to events, or even the thought of possible events that include us and other women.

She doesn’t want to feel this way. She is trying so incredibly hard not to. We’ve deeply talked through these triggered events from a place of compassion, love and understanding and put real guidelines in place to reduce or stop the triggers from occurring again. But the reactions continue. Immense anxiety is crippling her from recurring thoughts of the past, and possible future events. We meditate, we read books, I reassure, she is seeing a therapist to try and work through these fears, we have closed the possibly of openness now and only leave open learning about it — but the discussions are so triggering for her, we are on the absolute brink of collapse.

We have established that I need to have sexual connections with others for me to be truly fulfilled in the long run. I know it’s true, and I feel by not having at least a version of that - we put our possible future marriage at very real threat of collapse. We’ve also discussed how, having this, in a way which we both feel secure and good about, could incredibly strengthen and protect our relationship. It has been intense work to get to this point. She understands this conceptually, but the feelings in her body strongly fight against it. She cannot sleep at night, she can barely work during the day, she is showing physical signs of exhaustion and distress - she feels she is on the verge of a mental breakdown.

I am exhausted as well. Not on the level of my queen, but this is terrifically intense and frustrating as the conversations that we conceptually resolve come up again and again because the fears and anxieties remain. I also feel, if we are to get through this — the things that are established and agreed upon now will become foundations in our relationship and so it is critical that they are based in the full truth, whatever that may be.

After reading articles on polyamory yesterday, I questioned if only non-emotional sporadic sexual connections was in fact enough for me in the long term. I explained calmly that I still feel like this is the case but I can't say for certainty yet that this is true and that I needed to bring it up now so that we can look at it in the light and decide how to proceed.

This destroyed her.

She’s clearly considering leaving. Tonight we will discuss, and the outcome likely decides that. She loves me incredibly, but she doesn’t think she can do this. I am asking her that we learn more and try and see if we arrive somewhere that feels good for us. There are real time constraints at play, we must decide if we are willingly to try. We know if we do, it will take work and time. Time she feels like she doesn’t have if this takes long to figure out.

We request your guidance and support…

- Is it possible for her to overcome this and be actually happy about it given how she is feeling now?

- What can help her to overcome it? What can I do? What should we read? What should we do together?

- How do we handle my admission, that I don’t know enough about open relationships yet to say firmly that unemotional sporadic sexual contact with others is enough to fulfill that need?

- How do I better understand my needs around this, and give my queen the security that I will not evolve into something that is outside of what is acceptable for her after we build a life together.

- In the past, some events with other women and her were very triggering to my queen and there were things I needed to have done different. We talked these through and put strategies in place to protect from them in the future — but haven’t tested them in the real world yet because there’s currently so much fear around this in general. What do we do so she can have trust in me and actually dissipate energy from the past?

- Is there any of you who have experienced this and made it through who might be willing to take us under your wing and discuss further?

Thank you all, sincerely.
 
It sounds like she's not going to be happy for you to pursue anything with other women, and there's no magic wand you can wave to change that. Perhaps you need to ask yourself the inverse of all the questions you've listed.

- Is it possible for you to overcome this and be actually happy about being monogamous?

- What can help you to overcome it ("it" being the desire for other women)? What can she do? What should you read? What should you do together?

- How do you handle your admission that you want sexual and/or romantic contact with other women and move past that into a fulfilling monogamous relationship?

- How do you better understand her needs around this, and give her the security that you will not evolve into something that is outside of what is acceptable for her (ie monogamy) after you build a life together?

Some incompatibilities are so basic that there's no way to work around them. You need to work out if this is one of them.
 
You sound like you are engaged and want to talk about being married at some point. And you also do some sort of swinging or kink or whatever "events" and you also want to talk about polyamory.

I mean this kindly ok? :eek:

Sometimes, it's best to STOP.

A person who is initially compatible won't automatically be deeply compatible. And it is best for both persons to figure that out before marriage, before children, before big life merger things.

These are STRONG reactions:

we have closed the possibly of openness now and only leave open learning about it — but the discussions are so triggering for her, we are on the absolute brink of collapse.

but the feelings in her body strongly fight against it. She cannot sleep at night, she can barely work during the day, she is showing physical signs of exhaustion and distress - she feels she is on the verge of a mental breakdown

Could STOP. Could accept this is strong a "Nope. not for me!" thing to her.

Does she have to keel over and be sent to hospital for nervous breakdown over it? :(

We have established that I need to have sexual connections with others for me to be truly fulfilled in the long run.

And you can have that. Just not with her in the mix.

I know it’s true, and I feel by not having at least a version of that - we put our possible future marriage at very real threat of collapse.

Or it means you have done the work of the Engagement period SUCCESSFULLY and avoided disaster marriage.

To me engagement ends successfully in one of two ways. The people do the work of deep conversation about religion, politics, career, kids, lifestyle, and much more. Some take a premarital class at houses of worship, county extension offices, online, etc to help them do the work of the engagement time. You are ENGAGED in doing those "deep compatibility" talks after all. (Just that in your case, it will also include talking about whatever "proclivities" and "events" and "poly stuff" too. )

1) The couple finds that ARE deeply compatible. They end the engagement period by moving on to planning a wedding and getting married.

I sometimes see some couples just LEAPING right to the wedding planning without actually doing the work of engagement. I always wonder why they shortchange themselves like that? They seem to spend more time picking out centerpieces and colors for the reception party after the union ceremony, than contemplating the actual marriage union, contemplating if it is going to be solid enough, if there are enough common values, wants, to be deeply compatible long haul etc. The party is on one day. The union is supposed to last much longer, right?

2) The couple finds that they are NOT deeply compatible. They end the engagement and spare themselves the cost (emotional, mental, financial, spiritual, etc) of a wonky marriage. They decide to be good exes and friends instead -- a shape that might fit them better than doing wonky marriage together. While maybe not the hoped for success of #1, it is STILL a success!

I think a BAD way to end the engagement period is "get married anyway, we'll sort it out later!" Making a mess of it, possibly bringing children into the mix.

Don't be afraid to have the talks you need to have during the engagement period. But if you are discovering that no... you want very different things in life and it is not long haul compatible?

Rather than her stressing herself and bending into pretzels? Or you stressing yourself out and bending into pretzels? All to "save the future marriage?"

Think about saving the well being of the PEOPLE instead. The marriage doesn't HAVE to happen.

Approaching marriage all tangled up and not really fundamentally compatible is not the way to enter a union in good faith. :(


She’s clearly considering leaving. Tonight we will discuss, and the outcome likely decides that. She loves me incredibly, but she doesn’t think she can do this.

It is OK for her to decide to leave and STOP so she can be well again. Her consent to participate in things belongs to her.

I get you might be disappointed with choice. But it is not ok to force someone to do stuff that gets them THIS upset. She is allowed to say "I love you a lot. But not even for you will I do stuff that hurts me." Just like you could say it if it where the other way around.

I encourage you guys to do your soul searching, but STOP banging heads on wall trying to force it if you already know deep down what the answer is. Do not pretzel yourselves. Could be willing to change the conversation tonight from "How do we make a marriage fly ANYWAY?" to "If we are not compatible enough for marriage, can we share friendship ok?" instead.

You don't have to stop being in each other's lives, but you have to STOP trying to "square peg round hole" if that is what is happening here. Her health sounds like it's taking a huge ding already! :(

Sometimes the most loving thing one can do is become willing to let go and STOP so that the hurt and suffering can end. :eek:

I'm not sure if that's the guidance you were hoping for. But I hope you consider it. I can imagine this is hard on both of you. Don't make it HARDER.

Galagirl
 
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Hello BleedingHeart2,

It sounds like at least one of two things is going on with your queen here. One possibility is that she has some extreme trauma in her past that she has not yet sorted out. In which case, we need more information here about what happened to her in the past, and how she has tried to cope with it so far, in order to be of help to you in telling you what to do. Another possibility is that she is hardwired for exclusive monogamy. If this is the case, then the two of you are probably incompatible. I actually suspect that both possibilities are the case. She is having awfully strong reactions to open/poly, one possibility alone doesn't seem to be enough to explain them. I know you don't want to break up; however, that may be what you have to do. :(

With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
I think you have a shot. But, I'd strongly suggest you halt the processing and move towards acting on your desires.

See, you can read every poly book in the world and still find that it isn't the relationship style for you. Or, you can find that many of your fears were unfounded and it suits you better than you could ever imagine.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum


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After close to a year, with who I will refer to as my “queen”, we are deeply interlocked in love, with real plans to change the world, start a family and more. But - today after fears, frustrations and anxieties around openness have built up and risen to intolerable levels, we’ve found ourself in dire threat of complete collapse.

I know it’s just a nickname but are you the king to her queen. The reason I ask is because you’re clearly more interesting in serving you’re needs and wants rather than your queen. I mean pushing the/ your queen to the point of mental collapse doesn’t sound loving or in the service of the queen.

My queen is incredibly fun and enjoys sex parties and has proclivities for some openness, but finds herself being mostly monogamy oriented in our relationship. I find myself further on the side of non-monogamy. While I’ve had genuine compersion in events that include myself, other men and my queen, she’s nearly always had immense triggering reactions to events, or even the thought of possible events that include us and other women.

This is slightly confusing to me. She likes sex parties and or swinging as long as the focus is on her and that it doesn’t spawn romantic feelings and she’s a very jealous queen that doesn’t want to see you interact with another woman.


We have established that I need to have sexual connections with others for me to be truly fulfilled in the long run. I know it’s true, and I feel by not having at least a version of that - we put our possible future marriage at very real threat of collapse. We’ve also discussed how, having this, in a way which we both feel secure and good about, could incredibly strengthen and protect our relationship. It has been intense work to get to this point. She understands this conceptually, but the feelings in her body strongly fight against it. She cannot sleep at night, she can barely work during the day, she is showing physical signs of exhaustion and distress - she feels she is on the verge of a mental breakdown.

We have established ?? I think maybe there’s too much interwoveness going on that each of you needs to decide what’s best for you as individuals and not as some sort of collective.

Could you give me an example of how having this could incredibly strengthen and “ protect “ your relationship. I think you need to both read a bunch of threads from way back in this forum to see if that’s actually true.

Personally i think her gut or body is telling her and you all you need to know.
Right now your her brain and your brain have presented nice intellectual arguments that make sense in a vacuum but don’t feel right in the practical world. The question is how much time and money and misery are you and she willing to invest to come up with coping strategies and behavioral modification techniques for the mental distress?

After reading articles on polyamory yesterday, I questioned if only non-emotional sporadic sexual connections was in fact enough for me in the long term. I explained calmly that I still feel like this is the case but I can't say for certainty yet that this is true and that I needed to bring it up now so that we can look at it in the light and decide how to proceed.

I think it’s way to early to decide what or how much of what you’re going to need or want. The bottomline is life is too short to settle. If you think you’d even like to try full blown kitchen table/ communal poly then that’s what you should be going after. Sorry to say but you might have to find a new queen or maybe a few lady’s in waiting.
 
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...i think her gut or body is telling her and you all you need to know.

THIS

To say that there is some deep, dark problem because she doesn't want her man fucking other women is Poly Bubble thinking beyond the pale. 95% of the women on this planet don't want that, so how is this some huge mystery? OK, yes, she has gone to sex parties and has a taste for the sexually adventurous, but that doesn't mean that she would be cool with her man desiring, let alone loving, other women. I've been to quite a few sex parties that involve both poly and swingy people. There are all manner of ways to enjoy a sex party, so just because someone enjoys the scene now and then doesn't mean that she wants to go whole hog with non-monogamy in her everyday life. This is a huge incompatibly in a relationship, on a par with kids vs. no kids. It's something that should come up in the first year and it has. Question asked and answered. Both of you need to respect her gut reaction.
 
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