Trouble In My V Triad Relationship

SW1231

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I need help guys. I am a married woman of six years, together for eight. I have had a girlfriend for almost 17 months, who sleeps with both of us, but she is platonic with my husband. That dynamic is very good for the three of us. My husband and I are very much in love, and we have two daughters together. My girlfriend and I are also in love. That is not the problem. We always agreed, that if another man came along, who was super cool, acceptable of our current relationship, and not a threat to it, that it was completely cool for her to explore a new dynamic outside of her dynamic with my husband and I.
We'd been together solidly for about nine months when she met a man, who lives out of state, he is also poly, and was in a triad himself, for some months. It seemed perfect! I was excited for her! She had spent many years with an abusive man and is generally afraid of men, so the platonic thing with my husband has proven very easy, safe, and beneficial for her growth away from abuse and the like. This new man was also a really good thing for her. He showed her attention that was not negative, and there are no strings, he's basically perfect, if that makes sense.
The bulk of their contact is through text messages. There have been occasional phone calls, and they've seen one another only a handful of times. Not a threat, right?
My problem is this. She was enthralled in the birth of this new dynamic, and she'd explain that it was good for her, she needed it, that she couldn't have that with my husband, because, well, he's my husband. They don't see one another that way. So, for months, I would sit, in her presence, and watch her text back and forth with this new person, and I know it was so exciting. She'd share lots of stuff about their conversation, at first, saying how it'd be awesome to all maybe play one day. So, I felt OK, at times, like she knew I felt a little left out, or cast aside, but she did not really comfort me at all. And it made me feel SUPER uneasy. She'd say, we only text, I never see him, I spend all my time with you. She would say, this is something you'll just have to get used to. She'd say, I care about how you feel, and we can always talk about it. So, things would happen, to incite feelings of jealousy, like, her saying, I have to be able to decide when to respond to him. This is my thing. But she and I would be laying on the bed together, listening to music. I felt like she valued his attention way more than she valued mine, yet she and I were in the same room. We used to have sex, just her and I, all the time. That has definitely slowed down. We still play almost every Saturday night, the three of us. We refer to one another as girlfriends, and it does not feel like she is my girlfriend.
So, my behavior through all this has been less than desirable, I guess.....I have had times where I have been extremely frustrated, really sad, misunderstood, excited for her, super connected to her, in no particular order.
I told her that my problem has never been the existence of him. I have a problem when she is discourteous, and tells me I am being selfish, that I do not want her to have the attention of another man. She says, well, you have a husband, and I have to share him with you.
I am starting to feel a little nutty, and do not know what to do. I feel like I love this woman, and I have never shut her out of anything in my life. Because we have two very young children, 5 & 2, my husband and I sleep upstairs in our bedroom most of the time. When we all play, we sleep together and she sets an alarm to return downstairs before the children wake. We try to be cognizent of avoiding confusing situations concerning the kids. That has always been a very emphasized structure to our triad. I also make sure to spend lots of solo time with her. She is my girlfriend. My husband goes to bed early, so when kids turn in, I spend alone time with her, every night she is at our home. She has a room in our basement, and spent about four months living here, but has been in her own apartment for a little over a month. She still spends about 50% of her time with us. She is very close to my kids, they LOVE her.
Things have come to a head, and we have not spoken in two days. I am sad, and I do not know what to do.
 
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Hi SW1231,

It sounds like your girlfriend is caught up in NRE with this man from out of state. She does not want to give up her texting time with him, not even a little of it. You have tried to talk to her about it but to no avail. It seems to me that you only have two options. Break up with her, or stay with her and tolerate her neglectful behavior. Because she is neglecting you. Maybe when the NRE wears off, she will pay more attention to you? but that could take awhile. Months maybe, but maybe a year. Maybe two years. Or more. You have to decide which course of action is fair to you. And maybe there is no pleasant course of action.

Sorry you are going through all of this. It is obvious you are hurting.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
I am sorry you struggle.

Sounds like poly hell combined with bad cel phone manners.

If it is (You + GF) time together, but she's attached to her phone? She's not being PRESENT on your date.

I think you could ask her to put the phone away when you guys are having date time together and be PRESENT. That's not unreasonable or selfish. The other 50% of the time she's at her apartment. She can talk to her BF there freely at any time of day.

For the few hours she's on a date with you, she could FOCUS. If it is a several day date -- like a weekend overnight? If she needs a moment to say goodnight or whatever, that's reasonable. She could set a time for that, excuse herself, and then return to be PRESENT. In return, you could respect her privacy during those times and let her have some time/space alone during the weekend to attend to her other partner.

I have a problem when she is discourteous, and tells me I am being selfish, that I do not want her to have the attention of another man.

That sounds like her flipping it around on you and blame shifting. Rather than apologizing for being so attached to her phone when she's on a date with you. You could call her on that.

You seem fine with her having a BF. You just don't like (You + GF) dates being half assed because she's not really THERE. She's off with him on the cel phone.

If she wants to have cel phone/skype dates with him, that's cool. Just not when it's supposed to be (You + Her) date time.

You have not spoken for 2 days. For me it takes at least 3 days to cool off. So I would suggest waiting one more day.

Then telling her or emailing her something like...

"I'm willing to adjust to you having a new BF.

What I don't like is when you schedule a date with me and you aren't really HERE spending time with me, being PRESENT.

I don't mind you have cel phone dates with your BF. I just prefer you not schedule dates with me and dates with him on top of each other. Could you please be willing to keep dates separate? Could you please be willing to be PRESENT when it is date time with me and turn your phone off for a few hours?

If it is a longer weekend overnight, I can respect you need some time to yourself over the weekend to say goodnight, check in and attend to you other partner. I am willing to respect your privacy for that if you tell me what time you need to yourself when we plan the weekend dates.

Could you please be willing to talk to me about a workable solution to this problem?"​

Galagirl
 
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So, for months, I would sit, in her presence, and watch her text back and forth with this new person, and I know it was so exciting. She'd share lots of stuff about their conversation, at first, saying how it'd be awesome to all maybe play one day. So, I felt OK, at times, like she knew I felt a little left out, or cast aside, but she did not really comfort me at all. And it made me feel SUPER uneasy. She'd say, we only text, I never see him, I spend all my time with you. She would say, this is something you'll just have to get used to. She'd say, I care about how you feel, and we can always talk about it. So, things would happen, to incite feelings of jealousy, like, her saying, I have to be able to decide when to respond to him. This is my thing. But she and I would be laying on the bed together, listening to music. I felt like she valued his attention way more than she valued mine, yet she and I were in the same room.

My guess is that she's seeing these times as times you spend together but not TOGETHER.

No different than when my husband and I are in the same room but we're doing different things. We might even both be at the dinner table but he's gaming with his brother I'm gaming with my gf. Just because you're in the same room with someone doesn't mean they see it as date time.

I think you need to communicate the need for one-on-one personal time. That you don't mind her texting and communicating except when you have set aside time for the two of you to bond.

If you haven't really specified this time as you and me bonding time, she may feel like you're just complaining about her communication in general, and feel defensive that you want her to stop all the time.

I'm not there for the conversations but often they go something like this:

"YOU are doing this. YOU are doing that. YOU are making me feel this way."

And that results in the type of responses you're getting.

Focus on I statements.

"When you're on the phone with him during times I considered our private moments, I feel neglected. Can we talk about setting aside some time [frequency] for just you and me where we don't talk/text to others."

(basically what gala said :p )


ALso, NRE is real, and during the first few months of a relationship people are always CAUGHT UP in the excitement. It does wear off. It does slow down. Remember you probably felt that way when you first met your husband and your gf too. Sometimes we just have to be a little patient with people too.
 
Really NOT the right Forum for this...

This is a thread for the Poly Relationships section. SW1231, you could tap the red triangle with the ! in it on the top corner of your post, and a mod will move it for you. You'll get more feedback that way.
 
We spoke a few hours after I posted my original message. It was not tense, or angry, but soft and tender. We said things to one another that we needed to say, and we each feel so much better. This is my first poly relationship, and hers, too. We were also really close friends before we began dating. We know one another well. I love her deeply, and she feels the same way. We have come to agree that we didn't do enough to protect our relationship before the addition of new persons. Rookie move, I know! But, every day is a school day. It is important for me to realize that her excitement was in the fore front, I very well may have handled it the same way, had I been in her shoes. I also know that the way I reacted was out of line. We chose to forgive and put it behind us with the trust that this small but of turbulence has led to a deeper level of support and understanding for one another.
We should have been more clear with one another about parameters, what's ok/not ok, etc. I am delighted to say that we are in a good place, once again.

You guys are awesome.....thank you....
I am sure I'll be back. We women are insane. Ha!!
 
So your gf has agreed to be more present with you when you're "on a date," and only text with her LDR bf when it's not supposed to be quality time for the two of you? Is that what you are saying?

I saw your post in the "ask a triad" thread though... I see what YOU really want is for your V with hubby and gf to become a full triad, to the point you are encouraging them to have sex more, with or without you, and to the point where, when your hubby embraced gf, you took her arms and wrapped them around him. (!)

It sounds like you're pushing your agenda (nixing communication with the long distance bf, and encouraging, almost forcing, gf and hubby together) on everyone. It sounds a little controlling, to be honest. It almost sounds like you want to be in the middle of any love or sex or energy exchange your partners have, pulling the strings.

Women who have been abused can be rather passive. Are you slightly abusing gf's autonomy under the guise of "helping her?" I can't say, but adding all the factors together, I wonder.
 
What I am saying is that yes, we have come to a place of understanding when it comes to balancing time, presence, etc. Her LDR is not her boyfriend, they are friends who occasionally get together for sex. When they first started talking, the NRE was very high. We did not do enough, either one of us, to protect our relationship, before adding any dynamics with new persons. More discussions should have occurred, in the very beginning, and we're both at fault because of it. There wasn't enough clarity.

As far as becoming an triad, as opposed to a vee, is something I have fantasized about, and when I described what it felt like to see my husband snuggle with her, it came from a feeling of comfort and happiness to see how their relationship has evolved. They are similar in personality, and do not open up to people as easily as I do, so it was lovely to see them share that moment. Her arms were around him....I just showed a gesture of pleasure by pulling them tighter. It was not a loaded move on my part. We've been together for 17 months, so this isn't a new dynamic between the three of us.

I have never "encouraged" them to have sex more, I have only told them that I am not opposed to them sleeping together without me being there. It isn't something they are interested in, and that has always been ok with me.

My only agenda is to achieve the most open environment possible, and however our vee, triad, etc. evolves is really up to the universe. It's out of my hands.
Both of us were in abusive marriages, but mine ended 10 years ago. Hers ended 18 months ago. Her wounds are much fresher.

I have never nixed communication between her and anyone, I only expect to not be treated as if I am not in the room, when she and I are alone. Answering a quick text doesn't bother me, none of that does. Having a 25 minute back and forth conversation when we're hanging out does bother me, and now all of that is behind us.

I've also tapped the red triangle, asked a moderator to place it in the correct forum. That was my first post. I'm a newbie. To all of this. Excuse my greenness, Magdlyn.
 
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