trouble with threesomes

econjob

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Hi all!

First time poster.

I (TM25) have been in an ENM relationship with my bf (M27) for about a year. Early on, he said he felt it was important to him that we have group experiences, in part to maintain sexual excitement and build a deeper connection. I was very open to this, and he was the first (and only!) partner I have had threeways with. I am also the first partner he has had where threeways have really been an option.

Since then, we've had several hookups with other people, as well as some one-on-one hookups on our own. Unless there's some other extenuating factor, I'm usually pretty chill about his hookups, and he is supportive of me pursuing similar (although I've been less inclined to do so while he's town, so far). However, when we have threeways, I run into a few problems.

For complete context, I'm more of a bottom and he's strictly a top. We also look very different and have very different "types."

I'm generally happy to hook up with individuals who are less my type, but we have found it difficult to find people who are into both of us, in part because I'm transgender. We've even had one hookup with a cis gay bottom who said he was cool with it and then clearly was not during the hookup.

This has started to stress my bf out, as he feels it's really important to him to have these group experiences with me. In turn, I feel a lot of pressure to find people, even though I often feel it's less "for me," and more for him, especially when it comes to finding other bottom-leaning individuals.

The other problem I have when hooking up with other bottoms is the end. Generally my bf does a pretty good job of trying to include me, but it's just logistically more complicated with two bottoms than two tops near the... end of things lol. I often find myself not wanting to "watch" my bf and the other person having sex at that point, so I end up closing my eyes and/or zoning out for the last portion of it. He'll check in to see if I want to get off after, but at that point I often feel too disconnected and uncomfortable to want that. After the other person leaves, I feel a bit cold and very disconnected to my partner, while in contrast he has lots of warm fuzzy feelings and really wants to connect. I then get frustrated and annoyed by his attempts to cheer me up.

So, I guess my questions are this: a) any tips for dealing with finding people who are going to more compatible for both of us? and b) how can I start to manage my coldness/discomfort at the end of the threeway?
 
This isn't a poly problem. It's a group sex problem. You are learning that it's just not fun for you, if not harmful to your relationship, because you disconnect. If you continue doing this for your partner, you will eventually leave.

You need to let your partner know how this makes you feel and that you no longer want to be a part of group sex. He can do that with others, but you aren't into it and don't want to participate.

You can go find someone who is interested in you and he can be with people interested in him. Trying to find someone you both are interested in, who's also interested in both of you, and a switch, is a very big order that probably won't get filled.

Save your sanity and feelings and don't participate in group sex.
 
This isn't polyamory. I don't see any love for new partners here. Your pansexual cisgender bf wants group sex with you (a trans male), and with other gay or pan men (trans or cis, I assume). You aren't too into it, but you're being "a good sport" and giving it a try.

The uncomfortable group sex dynamic has been addressed by others.

Besides this being a group sex problem, it's a common problem with gay trans men. Gay cis men may not be into having sex with you, since you don't have a penis.

I am non-binary, and I have tons of trans friends and acquaintances, both male and female and gender-non-conforming. My nesting partner is a trans woman. She had to have a lot of patience to find a decent pansexual male poly-friendly partner. Eventually she did, just as you did.

Since I present as a slightly butch femme, I have had no trouble finding straight, bi or pan male partners. (Aside: I am also a switch.) But I have talked to gay trans men whose dating pool is small. They need to find pansexual men to date (or at least hook up with). This takes time.

My recommendation is to honor your own self. Express your feelings. Never do sexual things you don't want to do! Don't do group sex with bf just to please him. Don't practice self-harm by doing uncomfortable sexual things and disassociating. Please.
 
Gently... if sharing group sex with this BF and other bottoms is not fun for you? Stop sharing group sex.

Your body is yours to manage. Your consent to do things or not belongs to you.


Don't you find it odd that your BF expects you to the be group-sex organizer for him when you don't especially enjoy these encounters? Why can't he do his organizing himself?

I was very open to this, and he was the first (and only!) partner I have had threeways with. I am also the first partner he has had where threeways have really been an option.

Is that because he wanted the other people to organize group sex for him (since he didn't want to do it himself), and you were the first one willing to take on the role of group-sex organizer?

Why did you agree to do this job for him, anyway? Maybe you were willing to take it in turns. Does BF take turns? Or is it always on you?

Just because this BF is the first person you've shared group sex with, and you both were willing to experiment some, doesn't mean you are compatible for sharing group sex long term. Sometimes the experimenting reveals incompatibility.

You don't have to keep doing this with BF just because he wants to. Group sex is not a "one-person yes," like only one person votes yes and the rest fall in line. In a threesome, there has to be three people voting yes. It's not happening if only one person wants it; it's not happening if only two people want it; it has to be all three voting yes.

I think you could start voting no, because you had the experimenting time, and found out that group sex with this BF and other bottoms was blah for you.

I often find myself not wanting to "watch" my bf and the other person having sex at that point, so I end up closing my eyes and/or zoning out for the last portion of it. He'll check in to see if I want to get off after, but at that point I often feel too disconnected and uncomfortable to want that. After the other person leaves, I feel a bit cold and very disconnected to my partner, while in contrast he has lots of warm fuzzy feelings and really wants to connect. I then get frustrated and annoyed by his attempts to cheer me up.

Are you disassociating to cope with being in a situation you do not want to be in? It kinda sounds like it.

This has started to stress my bf out, as he feels it's really important to him to have these group experiences with me.

He's had some group experiences with you already. He's not entitled to more.

Maybe a review of the consent cartoons is helpful here.


You consenting a few times is not blanket consent forever.

He can't MAKE you share sex in ways you don't want to share it. You CAN decline to share it again.

Then BF gets to learn to deal with his disappointment that you will no longer be sharing group sex with him and other people, or organizing the encounters for him.

BF is responsible for feeling all his feelings and then doing his emotional management appropriately. It's not on you to "fix" his feelings FOR him, especially not by putting out for some group sex so he doesn't have to feel yucky... and meanwhile you feeling REALLY yucky doing it. What kind of business is that?

Are you a people pleaser, and struggle with that in this relationship? Or are you able to say, "No, thanks. I won't be doing that" with confidence?

In turn, I feel a lot of pressure to find people, even though I often feel it's less "for me," and more for him, especially when it comes to finding other bottom-leaning individuals.

That's where you get to say "No, thank you. I won't be sharing group sex. If you want group sex with others, I expect you to make your own arrangements for that activity with consenting partners. I'm not involved in it. I'm not sharing group sex with you, and I'm not the group-sex organizer for you."

The other problem I have when hooking up with other bottoms is the end.

Then keep your life simpler and don't hook up with other bottoms.

You deal with your other sex encounters. BF deals with his other sex encounters. That is FAIR. And you come together to share sex 1:1 with each other when you both consent to do that.

So, I guess my questions are this: a) any tips for dealing with finding people who are going to more compatible for both of us? and b) how can I start to manage my coldness/discomfort at the end of the threeway?

You and BF are not sounding compatible for sharing group sex. One way to solve it is to STOP. Then you deal with your other sex with other people, be it with one person, or more.

BF deals with his other sex with other people, be it with just one person or more.

And you and BF update your sex-health/risk profiles, and give informed consent before sharing sex with each other. Presumably you do this with all partners and are responsible about sharing sex.

Galagirl
 
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Hello econjob,

Threesomes tend to be complicated, I am not surprised to hear that you've had some difficulty with them. From your description, you might have better luck if the third person is a (gay male) top. Have you spent any time on FetLife? That might be a good place to look for people for your threesomes. Regarding your coldness/discomfort at the end of the threeway, I don't know of any tips/tricks for avoiding that, except for having a threesome that works for you (not just your boyfriend). You need to find the right threesome match for both you and your boyfriend, and that search may take some time. Sorry I couldn't be a better help than that.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
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