Was this like one of the biggest "lead on" ever or?

Better safe then sorry, specially since with polyamory that extra openess is required and I should not wait to know relevant information like that.

Whether in a monogamous context or a polyamorous context? Asking people out properly and seeking consent is being respectful.

I'm glad to hear in future you want to establish consent/clarification from the start and be asked out/ask people out appropriately. And no more of this weird stuff.

It could land YOU in hot water.

But I mean, compared to this, is like a whole side of her I didn't even suspect and I think because she was "familiar" I felt safe. This is definitly something I would not just let happen if I hadn't felt that security, which was obviously misguided.

7 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. "Mr. Stranger Danger" can happen, but it is more likely to be someone you know. They use that familiarity to gain access.

Wow that's a crazy story Galagirl, glad nothing bad happened out of it. I mean it was already bad as it is, but still...

That's what I told Bob. I was sorry this happened and I hoped he would get help. But I was glad it was HER breaking into his house in the night. She had NO business being there. Nobody could argue that. Not even her parents.

Had he kept trying to "let her down easy" and met her somewhere and she assaulted him at her home or wherever? Or she seduced him and then flipped it around to call it rape? He would have been in deeper shit.

Galagirl
 
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You have received a lot of good feedback that I agree with.

I just wanted to add that, this sort of behavior seems to be a phase that some girls (me included) go through as they "discover" their own sexuality (I use "girls" intentionally here; a "woman" should know better.:rolleyes:) Especially if they are not "traditionally beautiful" and doubt themselves. Overly aggressive sexual advances, trying to stir up trouble in relationships, getting a rise/response from men, seeking drama - these activities feed the ego and make them feel "powerful" and "sexy". No, it isn't right and wouldn't be tolerated if a man were to behave the same way...I am sorry that you fell victim to this sort of "sexual predator", but glad that you didn't aggressively pursue the opportunity, hopefully if this ever happens again your "Spidey-sense" will recognize the pattern.
 
Yup. I'm with Jane. That "type" happens and it is not ok.

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It's specially bad because at one point I was her to go to emotional support....

Sometimes that's another way to make you feel "special." You know... because you are the ONLY person they can possibly confide in blahblahblah..

It's ok to be there for someone and it's ok to ask someone for help and a listening ear.

But when they go OVERBOARD with it? Too much, too strong, too soon? Making you be soooo "special?" Going to the land of inappropriate behaviors?

I really do hope your Spidey senses start tingling.

Galagirl
 
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You have received a lot of good feedback that I agree with.

I just wanted to add that, this sort of behavior seems to be a phase that some girls (me included) go through as they "discover" their own sexuality (I use "girls" intentionally here; a "woman" should know better.:rolleyes:) Especially if they are not "traditionally beautiful" and doubt themselves. Overly aggressive sexual advances, trying to stir up trouble in relationships, getting a rise/response from men, seeking drama - these activities feed the ego and make them feel "powerful" and "sexy". No, it isn't right and wouldn't be tolerated if a man were to behave the same way...I am sorry that you fell victim to this sort of "sexual predator", but glad that you didn't aggressively pursue the opportunity, hopefully if this ever happens again your "Spidey-sense" will recognize the pattern.

Thank you so much for your response JaneQSmythe, I understand where you are coming from and that might be the case here.
She has a very attractive face and body (to be honest that also contributed for the issue).
However self esteem issues are there for sure. Her mother is horrible to her, incidentally I heard conversations so i can attest to that.

Once we were talking over the phone and her mother barged in her room (probably drunk again) telling her I didn't wanna talk to her, why would I want to talk with someone so pathetic that should have been aborted.
Stuff like that happened daily and her father, who is a way more leveled person was away overseas most of the time due to his work.

Now she is living alone in college, and is likely she is "fishing" for affection elsewhere, even if is superficial. Kinda sad, but I didn't need at all to be caught into it. I mean, she can do it with fuckboys for all that I care. But calling me a special person in her life and doing that kinda shows lack of respect.
 
Yup. I'm with Jane. That "type" happens and it is not ok.



Sometimes that's another way to make you feel "special." You know... because you are the ONLY person they can possibly confide in blahblahblah..

It's ok to be there for someone and it's ok to ask someone for help and a listening ear.

But when they go OVERBOARD with it? Too much, too strong, too soon? Making you be soooo "special?" Going to the land of inappropriate behaviors?

I really do hope your Spidey senses start tingling.

Galagirl

Yeah, I felt it was too soon also. But i was really happy we had worked up those issues we had before and got caught in the wave.
I had been resenting her for some time, and finally feeling things change i felt immense relief and let my guard down.
Back then my GF told me she might had a little thing for me too, though she never showed this much at all. So my thought was she might be acting on old feelings too, thus I didn't view the proximity as abnormally as I should have.

Also when she was here, she started inviting me for a lot of things like comic con, visiting her in the city where she is studying (probably for a sleep over), and to a music festival. I took those as signs also... thinking she wanted to reconnect and while by itself it was not a clue of her wanting more then hang out, when taken in with the other clues... well, starts seeming that way, specially the sleep over.

We gonna meet in comic con next week, and that is unavoidable now. More people are going, including my GF so i think it will be fine, I will just keep my distance.
 
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Hello, thank you for your reply. Could you elaborate on what you said? It was me that was rejected not her...

Oh...I guess I misunderstood. I thought she was coming on to you and you told her no so she denied it.

The important thing is you didn't do anything wrong.
 
Once we were talking over the phone and her mother barged in her room (probably drunk again) telling her I didn't wanna talk to her, why would I want to talk with someone so pathetic that should have been aborted.
Stuff like that happened daily and her father, who is a way more leveled person was away overseas most of the time due to his work

That's terrible.

But still not a reason for to sign up to be like her "free therapist." Not your job.

Could tell her this stuff her mom does is not ok, and encourage her to see someone at the college health center. People trained to deal with this age group and all its problems.

Actually if she comes on to you again at the comicon, you can tell her that.

"This is not ok behavior. I told you I am not interested. STOP hitting on me. I encourage you to see someone at the college health center if you have issues."​

Expect denial again, but enough times of that "lather rinse repeat" loop and she may stop bugging you because she's too embarassed to go for another round.

Alternately -- be boring and flat.

She might want to have a "fight" about who is really the one hitting on who. Going for the "indignant and innocent" act again. If she's looking for attention, even making drama and getting a rise out of you works. Negative attention still counts as attention.

Be boring instead. If she does denial/innocent again when you call her on it?

"Oh? That's nice. Is this the ___ booth? " spoken as flat and boring as you can make it. No rise out of you, and no attention on her either. Attention the comicon.

"Oh? Then I misunderstood. Is this the ___ booth? " spoken as flat and boring as you can make it. No rise out of you, and no attention on her either. Attention the comicon.

If you have to converse like at a group dinner at the comicon? Tell her long boring stories about the chores you have to do at home. Things that are dull. Be non-exciting, non-sexy, non-interesting.

Hopefully she seeks someone else to bother. Shoo!

Galagirl
 
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Yes, from what I have heard she will see a therapist next year. She didn't debrief much the actual things she will talk about, but at least she will be seeing someone. Hopefully it will help her, but who knows. Also i studied psychology, thus I guess there is a bit of assumption I can help people out like that or something, but back then she would only search me for commiseration most of the time, so I stopped helping.
She acknowledges this too, at least...

Well, being plain and boring was actually my plan all along. I will mostly avoid talking directly with her, and when is needed I will reply in sentences as short as I can. It will be a bit hard cause I usually am very enthusiastic about things, plus me and her have things in common so it will be kinda hard to ignore, but is for the best...

The biggest problem is that we will be with friends and I want to be enthusiastic with them, so I will expect her to intervene in those lively conversations and it will be weird to just start being boring all of a sudden
 
The biggest problem is that we will be with friends and I want to be enthusiastic with them, so I will expect her to intervene in those lively conversations and it will be weird to just start being boring all of a sudden.

So? It's comicon. Break off into subgroups. Attend panels on your own. So you can be enthusiastic with other friends or other fans with her not around.

In big group things avoid sitting next to her. If you do get stuck next to her or in an elevator or group dinner or whatever? Be boring. Be tired from "comicon-ing."

Don't skip doing what you need to be doing just because "it will be weird."

It's already BEEN weird around her.

Galagirl
 
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There are a couple of things I haven't seen anyone mention here yet:

You say you were at a party when this happened. Is it possible that

- This girl might have been drunk or under the influence of some substance when the making out occurred? Then later when she sobered up, regretted her actions and tried to flip things around for that reason, claiming she hadn't meant anything by it and you'd taken her all wrong.

- She might have been trying to "tempt" you into something in order to assert some imagined "claim" on you as her old friend/emotional support person; to feel sexy and powerful in the moment; or to see if she could get "one up" on your girlfriend.

You say she didn't realise until afterwards that you are poly. So when she understood that your girlfriend was okay with you being with someone else, whatever game she was playing lost its appeal and she had a change of heart. (She may not even consciously realise what she was doing, or why.)

i.e. Shame is a powerful emotion and can cause people to enter into a state of denial.

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There is also this: You hadn't seen this girl for almost three years... and a lot of life experiences can happen, and people's emotional and mental make-up can change dramatically between the ages of 17 and almost 20.

I'm not going to attempt to diagnose anyone over the internet, but as you no longer really "know" this girl in the way you did, you also don't know if perhaps she might be suffering from some kind of personality disorder or mental issue that didn't exist or wasn't apparent when you knew her before.

- Self esteem or body image issues may be partially to blame for her "testing" the waters then regretting/denying her part in this. Anyone can be susceptible to issues of self esteem, but it's common in those who've been in emotionally or sexually abusive relationships.

- Bipolar disorder (manic phase) can cause a person to act out sexually in a way they wouldn't otherwise, then feel shame about their actions later.

- People who have grown up in abusive households - especially with mothers who are emotionally abusive and manipulative (as you say this girl's mother is) can develop a range of issues in later life including borderline personality disorder. Borderline people have tenuous attachment and can alternately idealse a friend or lover, only to abruptly devalue them for spurious or illogical reasons. Likewise, this phenomenon can be seen in people with other disorders such as narcissistic personality disorder and dissociative identity disorder.

NOTE: I am NOT saying this particular girl is dealing with ANY of the above issues... however I'm pointing out that even though you USED TO know her very well, you haven't had contact for a few years and do not really know her anymore, nor do you know what she's been dealing with in the meantime that may have changed her.

There is also this:

I just wanted to add that, this sort of behavior seems to be a phase that some girls (me included) go through as they "discover" their own sexuality... Especially if they are not "traditionally beautiful" and doubt themselves. Overly aggressive sexual advances, trying to stir up trouble in relationships, getting a rise/response from men, seeking drama - these activities feed the ego and make them feel "powerful" and "sexy".

Immediately after leaving high school, I too went through a phase of getting drunk/stoned at parties and clubs and allowing men to "paw" me and make out with me, for no other reason than I wanted to experience everything and to feel like I had some kind of sexual power/allure over men. I would always stop them if things threatened to lead to actual sex. Highly immature of me, I realise. Not to mention potentially dangerous. To this day, I'm not quite sure what my mindset was, or if I was just a prick-tease or the victim - maybe both?

However, feeling like a sexual being was something I felt I'd missed out on/had to catch up on, due to being raised in a conservative environment which included 12 years of Catholic schooling, during which I'd never had an actual boyfriend. I was/am also on the autistic spectrum, though I didn't know that until many years later, so even though I was intellectually mature/intelligent, I was still quite emotionally volatile and unsure of myself and my boundaries.
 
There are a couple of things I haven't seen anyone mention here yet:

You say you were at a party when this happened. Is it possible that

- This girl might have been drunk or under the influence of some substance when the making out occurred? Then later when she sobered up, regretted her actions and tried to flip things around for that reason, claiming she hadn't meant anything by it and you'd taken her all wrong.

Thank you for the input lunabunny!
Nope that is not possible, because she stayed five days in our house. It was in the last three we bounded more (the party was in the second), plus she didn't want to drink any alcoholic beverages while she stayed here, neither do we do any drugs.
On the fourth day my sister wasn't home and I spent most of the day with her in my room.

To add to that, she didn't seem at all negative when she left. She hugged me a lot before leaving, and, we stared at each other eyes for a good while , when she was going away by cab.
Then she sent me a message saying she had a great time and she still missed me, hoping she had stayed longer and we could meet soon.

That's one of the things that made me feel more was going on really, five days with a person is more then enough I reckon, unless there is something going on underneath. I usually think for me one to three days is more then acceptable and if someone stays too long I start craving my privacy.
That's not something that happened while she was here, and is one of the tell signs for me to know I am starting to develop other kind of feelings.

- She might have been trying to "tempt" you into something in order to assert some imagined "claim" on you as her old friend/emotional support person; to feel sexy and powerful in the moment; or to see if she could get "one up" on your girlfriend.

You say she didn't realise until afterwards that you are poly. So when she understood that your girlfriend was okay with you being with someone else, whatever game she was playing lost its appeal and she had a change of heart. (She may not even consciously realise what she was doing, or why.)

i.e. Shame is a powerful emotion and can cause people to enter into a state of denial.

That's actually one of my GF first reactions. She might be ashamed and didn't want to acknowledge things.
It might even be subconcious and I thought about it too, but there is no way to know unless she opens up.

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here is also this: You hadn't seen this girl for almost three years... and a lot of life experiences can happen, and people's emotional and mental make-up can change dramatically between the ages of 17 and almost 20.

I'm not going to attempt to diagnose anyone over the internet, but as you no longer really "know" this girl in the way you did, you also don't know if perhaps she might be suffering from some kind of personality disorder or mental issue that didn't exist or wasn't apparent when you knew her before.

I know she suffers from several issues, that's for sure. Her lack of maternal love and father absence create for sure a problem in the area of emotional development. She herself admitted back then she used to dress/act certain ways, etc to draw atention.
However seems now is her looks that she is using, as she told me of certain risky sex behaviour she was part in.

I think she still suffers from that, even if she tried to play the "I am now a more mature person" game with me.
I am not sure if bipolar would be it though, I know she had a depression last year around the start of her college which in turn made her break up with her obsessive boyfriend.

I dated someone I believe was BDP and I am not sure if it would meet that description. But I guess there are different levels to it. My ex idolized me at first and by the end of the relationship I was treated very poorly like I didn't matter. I don't think she ever did that.

I talked with her about a certain message I sent in her birthday last year which she never replied. She told me she never got it, and she seemed genuinely surprised. It seems her then bf was jealous of me because she used to talk about me a lot and he had deleted messages from her.
After that she thought I didn't care too. Can't say for certain if that was what happened, but me and my GF already had a feeling he was too controlling, so it isn't far fetched.


Immediately after leaving high school, I too went through a phase of getting drunk/stoned at parties and clubs and allowing men to "paw" me and make out with me, for no other reason than I wanted to experience everything and to feel like I had some kind of sexual power/allure over men. I would always stop them if things threatened to lead to actual sex. Highly immature of me, I realise. Not to mention potentially dangerous. To this day, I'm not quite sure what my mindset was, or if I was just a prick-tease or the victim - maybe both?

However, feeling like a sexual being was something I felt I'd missed out on/had to catch up on, due to being raised in a conservative environment which included 12 years of Catholic schooling, during which I'd never had an actual boyfriend. I was/am also on the autistic spectrum, though I didn't know that until many years later, so even though I was intellectually mature/intelligent, I was still quite emotionally volatile and unsure of myself and my boundaries.

Yes it is a classic pattern to be honest. I have heard many stories of that kind, where girls end up in risky behaviour cause they can and want to feel freedom. Yet, all they get is excess. It is likely a phase, but still, I need to protect myself I guess.
Is not like it will pass in few weeks or so, it could go on for a few more years.
 
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