Well that sucked...

This only bugs me just now.

Um. How exactly do you KNOW what "another man" tastes like...?

:confused:

Just to clarify something. I wasn't necessarily referring to any kind of body fluids or anything. I have been kissing this woman for 16 years...this is the first time I could "taste" something different. That is all I meant. I wasn't trying to be gross...I had such a rush of emotion it kind of just came out. I felt really bad after the fact. I am a human experiencing this situation for the first time. It took me by surprise. Also...she kissed me when we went to bed that night. I didn't approach her because I didn't know how to act.
 
I have to agree with Queenoftheasylum - it's probably the way in which things were said that caused the problem.

I would agree with this. I wish I could express how crazy this all is. She probably was just very comfortable coming home and kissing me. She loves him, she loves me. I love her, I love him (in a different way) as well. We have an amazing relationship together (the three of us). He is the best friend outside of my wife that I have ever had which brings me to a question for anyone who would like to answer...

BF and I are planning a joint date with her for Valentine's day. Joint flowers and all to show our solidarity as a unit. We both know she will love it. I also know that one of her fantasies is to make love to both of us together. Would this be something I should try and talk to him about or in anyone's experiences should it be something just left to chance if it ever happen's at all?

To be honest I've never had a threesome. I'm very open sexually but I've only had one partner at a time. I know he has had a lot of experiences in his past and the idea wouldn't be completely foreign to him...just don't know if it is something that I should pursue for her and the betterment of our three way relationship. There is a part of me that thinks exploring this would help me better "accept" (that isn't the right word...just can't think of the right one at this time) their relationship. She is really hinting to me about it...I don't know if she is to him but I don't want to approach him if he has already told her no.

I do know in the past during their affair that he wanted her to try with us so he could be with her...but that was with different motives in mind.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
 
... I also know that one of her fantasies is to make love to both of us together. Would this be something I should try and talk to him about or in anyone's experiences should it be something just left to chance if it ever happen's at all? ...

There is nothing wrong with talking to him, even if he already said her no. There is nothing wrong with talking to him, evem if the only thing you say would be, that you know about her wish and might consider the possibility one day.

Explore your feelings first. You should WANT both of them in bed. My guess is, if you have a problem with shared kissing, you are not ready. Don't let her push you by her hints. See how it goes with a shared date and flowers, see if you are jealous of him kissing her in front of you, and leave a threesome for next year. If she hints again, tell her you are not ready.
 
I asked her last night if she has ever talked about the idea with him like she has me. She said she's mentioned it but he has brought it up way more than she ever has.

I guess part of me is thinking if I see them intimate with each other it would help alleviate some of my anxiety about it. If I share in that intimacy with them then I may strip the power away from some of my fear.

The thought of fulfilling one of her biggest fantasies is extremely arousing to me...we've even fantasized about it verbally while I pleased her.

Maybe I should approach him and just casually bring it up and see what he says. I don't know...how does the subject just come up? Ugh. This has been such a crazy experience...just all so new for me and I'm processing so many new thoughts and feelings I've never had before. I was at lunch with him yesterday and I looked at him and even had this thought flash through my brain "I think I could kiss this guy!" I've never looked at a man like that before. I almost couldn't look at him the rest of lunch...I got nervous. I've never had that kind of feeling with a guy before.

Honestly the thoughts and images that are coming up in my head are scary, new, exciting, thought provoking... really just a new and amazing stage of life I never thought I would encounter. It's amazing to me in just a couple short weeks how my thoughts and views have changed on our arrangement. Six months ago I would have laughed a person off about this (I've grown a lot since then and now realize love manifests in different ways for different people) ...today I'm actually thinking it's a great idea! The human heart is a crazy thing!
 
I asked her last night if she has ever talked about the idea with him like she has me. She said she's mentioned it but he has brought it up way more than she ever has.

I guess part of me is thinking if I see them intimate with each other it would help alleviate some of my anxiety about it. If I share in that intimacy with them then I may strip the power away from some of my fear.

The thought of fulfilling one of her biggest fantasies is extremely arousing to me...we've even fantasized about it verbally while I pleased her.

Please, please, please, please, PLEASE read some of the stuff that happens during threesomes in real life. Dan Savage floats questions about this stuff all the time. Fantasy doesn't equal reality.

People feel left out. People think they're doing fine, and then look over and see their partner and the other person seriously into each other and flip out. Other people are fine with it. You may think you're ready, and if you are still in a fragile state (optimism doesn't equal healing!), this can set you back.

My advice is to not do this as a gift for her, or unless/until you're 110% ready. If you still want to move forward, I think a LOT of talking needs to happen. Discuss what the plan is if anyone feels left out. Can you call a break? Can you leave the room and expect some one-on-one time later? What do you think you'll need if that happens to you (and what does everyone else want)?

Personal anecdote: I almost conceded to a camping weekend with Chops and Xena (back in the early, extremely emotionally-fraught days of our relationship) that would have possibly involved a threesome. Looking back now, I'm so, so glad I didn't. I would have been doing it for Chops, and neglecting my own emotions, and I think I would have done even more damage to my relationship with Xena than my resentment and push-pull stuff already did.
 
Just to clarify something. I wasn't necessarily referring to any kind of body fluids or anything. I have been kissing this woman for 16 years...this is the first time I could "taste" something different. That is all I meant. I wasn't trying to be gross...

More than once, earlier in our relationship, my nesting partner has told me I smell or taste like another partner (not to be "gross," and she wasn't upset, it was just a fact, and it seemed to me she'd prefer to not taste it). The smell or taste is not from his or her mouth. It's from his or her scent, shampoo, soap, hair product, deodorant, possible cologne, and especially the unique body odor/sweat-- armpits or, more likely, the crotch, from giving him or her oral sex. In other words, their pheromones.

I often have my other partners visit me here in the home I share with my nesting partner/gf. I generally try to remember to at least wash my face and hands with soap after the other person leaves, and before I kiss or cuddle my gf. She doesn't require me to shower.

Now several of my present or past male partner(s) often love going home with their beards having soaked up my essence like a sponge, and tell me they prefer not to wash (since they are usually single...) so they can smell me on themselves for a few hours or a day! I smell fucking good, apparently. lol But I digress!


I had such a rush of emotion it kind of just came out. I felt really bad after the fact.

You feel the way you need to feel! Don't beat yourself up mentally over how you FEEL, you can't help your FEELINGS!

No one here has recommended reading the excellent books More Than Two (there's a website by the same name that came first), or Opening Up. You said in your intro thread that so far you 3 are just "seeing how things go," but that is a terrible plan, or lack of plan. These things must be done delicately, as a witch once said. ;)

Joining here was a GREAT first step to getting information on turning a cheating affair into a healthy V dynamic. Now, read those books, ask your partner and metamour to read them. Discuss the topics. IMO, you're playing White Knight with your wife and seem a little too submissive to her, when she is the one that cheated! Maybe this is a common dynamic between you two. If you're to continue to grow in a loving healthy relationship with her, and to learn to love your metamour, information and courage and self love are your friends.
 
BF and I are planning a joint date with her for Valentine's day. Joint flowers and all to show our solidarity as a unit. We both know she will love it.

So carry out this plan and stop there. It's enough. And she will love it.

Leave the threesome for next year or even two years down the road. It is not necessary, esp if you are all still in "healing from cheating affair" mode. Grand gestures like threesomes aren't going to make the healing go faster. And there's a risk it can wreck a fragile thing you have just started to build.

Where's the fire?

Galagirl
 
I guess part of me is thinking if I see them intimate with each other it would help alleviate some of my anxiety about it. If I share in that intimacy with them then I may strip the power away from some of my fear.

The thought of fulfilling one of her biggest fantasies is extremely arousing to me...we've even fantasized about it verbally while I pleased her.

While it could happen this way, it is INCREDIBLY unlikely to. Threesomes, and triads, almost never allay insecurity or jealousy--they magnify it. This is going to be graphic:

-What if his penis is bigger? What if it bends differently and seems to please her more? What if her orgasms look and sound different with him than they do with you (hint: they do, I promise)? What if they seem like they're better?! What if they kiss differently (again, they do), and what if it seems like she's enjoying it more? What if he does something with/to him she didn't ever do with you? You get the idea. What if you cum first, and they want to keep going? What if he gets more penetration time/oral sex/whatever? Or she is more (seemingly) excited for that with him than you?

And that is just the beginning. I've been in threesomes. A lot of them. And, even with no cheating and no jealousy, even with no trust issues, they can still go really sideways.

And, again, I am going to suggest you think about the possibility that all this is hysterical bonding. I've been through that, too, and it is crazy-making, passionate, and all kinds of messed up in terms of what sounds like a good idea. Essentially, it's an intoxicating cocktail of hormones and emotions, and is pretty well understood psychologically. It is what makes couples think it'll all be so okay, so fast, and that everything is fine just weeks after an affair. It masks the issues with a desperate need to physically reconnect. it's common to see a huge spike in sex drive and sexual activity, adventurousness and new sexual acts, sexual emotions that may not have been felt before, and an over all lowering of inhibitions. Think of it as one of the stages of grief--it's definitely in the same ballpark.

For the healing couple, this can be a good thing. It can be a time to reconnect and rekindle the flame of passion. But, it will end, and the trust and communication will still be broken. And, if you do something like a threesome, it can kill those hormones really, really fast (generally in the middle of it, and I am not even sure if you can imagine how badly that can go), and further damage the relationship as the reality of pain and betrayal comes crashing back in.

You two have not healed. You have not healed. In two months, it is very likely you will be in a very different place. Poly? Possibly. That would be great, and possibly the best outcome for all involved. But, very possibly not.

I am not trying to be a downer. And I get that you want to do this right now, and that it seems really urgent, and that you want to believe your relationship will heal differently, that you will heal differently, than the millions of people who go through infidelity. And, there is a really tiny chance you might, but, again, it's really unlikely. The stages of grief, which apply to cheating as much as death, are pretty established for a reason. The far more likely scenario is that you will, at some point, come down from this "high," and that crash is going to be incredibly hard if you and she don't work on the actual things that will heal you, rather than the band-aids that seem like a fast, hot fix.

Fantasies are great (aside: when one of my LTR ex's cheated on me, the sex life and fantasies got CRAZY--and wow, do I regret every fucking minute of that now). Keep this in fantasy world for at least 6 months. Read up on healing from cheating, rebuilding trust, honest communication, etc. Do the footwork first, the threesome later.
 
Threesomes, and triads, almost never allay insecurity or jealousy--they magnify it.

I wish I could disagree with you...but I'm sure you are right. I don't have ANY experience in this area. I like to be very playful and experiment sexually...but I've only done things with one partner at a time. I haven't approached either party with "real" discussions of a threesome. I am trying to let my own emotions settle down to what my own new "normal" is.

It's been such an emotional roller coaster. I wish I could explain even just my connection with Navy. It's crazy. When my wife and I first met him...both of us knew there was something special about him in our lives. Maybe with this all in the open now my emotions are just out of whack. I don't know. As crazy as it sounds... it's kind of cool experiencing these new feelings.

As for my wife and I healing...we are starting to. We have talked about many of the issues that made her dissatisfied in our marriage...some were issues I knew about, some were not. I aired out my issues...and for the first time we are TRULY on the same page. Healing together. We are bonding in ways we never had. It's truly an amazing experience. Even she has expressed to me how nice it feels to be with me again. It's been such a journey!
 
Glad to hear things are looking up for you guys.
 
Well.... there are lots of things going on. Biggest one I posted about in another thread so I won't rehash it here. We did go on our "date" the other night and it was very lack luster. It felt awkward. Stella was excited but Navy didn't seem to be into it. He seemed excited when I approached him about the idea but he sure didn't seem excited when we were on the date. I'm glad I didn't try to force anything. My excitement for this v is starting to wane, that's not a good thing. I've lost trust in Navy. I won't expand on this here. Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who encouraged me to take my time and not force anything. You were absolutely right!!!!!
 
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