what have I done wrong?

blablablu

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This is a reflection, a confused post to get a wider idea of what went wrong and to see if I am being unreasonable here. None of my friends are poly. It is incredibly difficult having to explain the intricacies of what happened and how I felt in this relationship with people who do not accept the idea of polyamory. It would be really helpful to get opinions from other polys about this.

I am a bisexual androgynous AFAB in my 30s. This is the story of my first poly relationship that did not go very well.

Two years ago I started dating this guy who is also bi. I knew that he'd just broken up with his gf with whom he'd had an open relationship. They were primary partners and everyone else that they'd see was just for sex, with no emotional involvement. They could only have sex with their same sex.

So, a lot of rules there. It sounded a bit controlling to me, and like the girlfriend agreed on having an open relationship only because she really liked the guy.

Anyway, we start dating. His intentions were not immediately clear; it was important to him to keep things 'magical.' He said sharing information about other people he was seeing could take a toll on the 'magic.' I thought that not knowing would suit me okay, and I went with it, not knowing that this would have bigger consequences later on..

After a few months of dating, I managed to make him comfortable enough to share information about his other partners, saying that it was important for me to know, as it was part of his life, after all, and because it was important for me to understand where my place was in all of this, and whether I wanted to keep seeing him. This felt really scary, as we were already emotionally involved, and the sex was amazing and we had a lot of things in common. Things felt really exciting.

He opened up a bit, sharing that he had a number of sexual partners, and two other partners that he had emotional bonds with. He disclosed what these partners did, their names, etc. Nothing too intimate. It was enough information for me and he asked whether this was all okay with me and if we could keep seeing each other. I agreed to keep seeing him, as it sounded like he was being open and honest, even if I felt that there was still a little bit of anxiety in sharing, worrying that things wouldn't work out, or that he would be asked more. His previous relationship didn't work because his previous gf started to be controlling and asked and shared a lot of details, and this eventually made them both upset and paranoid.

I was also seeing other people at the time. I have dated other people while seeing him, but I never had the same emotional intensity with them. But I thought it didn't matter and that every relationship looked and felt different.

Half a year goes by like this and it's all fine. Sometimes I get upset if he disappears for a few days without getting in touch, without giving explanations and it was me having to figure out that he must have been busy with someone else. In the meantime, he has a big break-up with one of the partners with whom he has an emotional bond. That is because this person started to feel very jealous of me and of the time we spent together, especially because while he is with me, he disappears and does not text them back for days.

Another few months follow, and he meets another person, with whom he initially says that he doesn't have an emotional bond. But after a few months, he tells me that this partner said they loved him, and he said it back. This new person becomes the other person that he sees the most, apart from me. He splits his time between the two of us, and now and then he spends time with the other occasional sexual partners and ONS. I stopped being referred to as 'my favourite partner,' which always made me cringe anyway, as my guts knew that this could change. I am not given priority. I have to face more weekends of him vanishing, knowing that he is spending time with this other partner. I kept myself busy, but the crippling feeling of being forgotten and the lack of checking in makes me spiral and I stop feeling secure.

After a few months in, there is talk about meeting as he wants to have a threesome with us. The meeting does not go well, there is a no PDA veto placed from his other partner, and things feel pretty tense. I feel observed and scrutinised. The place and circumstance chosen to meet are not great, chosen a bit clumsily and I think this had a huge effect on how things went.

This is when it all started to feel on edge. The general tension between this weird V makes me feel like I am missing important pieces of information and from this point on, everything starts to feel on his terms and it goes more and more towards this: 'I can give you just this amount of time. I am spending my birthday away with my friends, I am going on holiday with this other partner,' which could be a normal reinforcement of boundaries perhaps, but it felt imbalanced. Maybe because I never reinforced mine? But I wanted to spend time with him whenever it was possible, as we were long distance and because I liked our time together! If I knew I had some time to go on holiday, I wanted to go on holiday with him, spend my b'day with him, go see my family with him.

I communicated my feelings of insecurity and asked whether it was possible to be a little bit more communicative and whether I could know a little bit more about the nature of his new relationships, whether I could meet my metamours (either 1-1 or with him present) and spend some time altogether. But the responses I'd get would always be surrounded by a huge sense of anxiety and of wanting to keep things as they were; alternating weekends and dividing holidays and knowing very little about the other partners.

I decided to end things as it all started to feel one-sided, but I wonder whether I could have done anything differently. He feels like it was a very abrupt break-up, and he is really sad about it. But he is also not doing anything to mend it or to propose a different solution, a different way to spend his time or disclose information, which makes me feel even more rejected and taken for granted.

This is also making me wonder whether I am poly or not, or whether I have just had a really difficult first experience with someone anxious and avoidant.

I know that this does not really goes into much detail, and that I have missed a lot of hues, but I would appreciate any outside perspective on this, any advice or comments. I'm happy to respond to questions, if any of you has got any.

Thank you!
 
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I'm sorry this happened. I hope you feel better for airing out here. FWIW, I think you are seeing clearly enough. You are simply grieving the break-up, because all break-ups come with some grief, even when they are the best choice in a situation.

From your post, it seems like he wasn't a great hinge. Not wanting to say how many partners he had because it would take a "toll on the magic" sounds weird to me. If you are considering dating him, knowing how many other people he's dating helps you set realistic expectations for how much time he has to offer you, and what kind of relationship.

I'm going to use generic colors as names. From what I could understand...
  • He recently broke up with his Red, because Red didn't like his way of going.
    • Was he cheating on agreements he had with Red?
    • Why did he chase you so fast after that break-up? On the rebound?
    • While dating Red, he had a number of sexual partners, and two other partners that he had emotional bonds with, Orange and Yellow. Yellow used to be the "new one," until you came along.
  • He started dating you, BlaBlaBlu.
  • He didn't want to tell you at first that he had at least two sex partners and two emotional-bond partners, maybe especially the sex partners. He was splitting his time across at least five people. Eventually he tells you that you are one of the five.
  • Yellow gets jealous that you are the new person now, and they break up.
  • Then he starts dating Green, the latest new person. And now Green gets all his attention and you get the short end of the stick.
  • Then he wants you, Green, and him to share group sex. It goes really weird then.

To me, he sounds spread too thin, and gets NRE for whoever happens to be the latest New Shiny Person. While you were that person, it was more fun for you. When he moved on to NRE for the next person, it became a drag for you.

I decided to end things, as it all started to feel one-sided, but I wonder whether I could have done anything differently.

It sounds like you did the right thing for your own health and well-being by breaking up with him. I don't think you could have done anything differently, other than not take up with him in the first place. Not wanting "to spoil the magic" reads like "let me pull the wool over your eyes." It's like he wants to chase the NRE high, and talking about "real things" takes him out of that headspace. And what matters is HIM having a good time, one-sided, just like you say.

Group sex is not a requirement in polyamory. It's a thing on its own. I would have skipped meeting that meta to talk about group sex.

I wonder if this guy is harem-building.

He feels like it was a very abrupt break-up, and he is really sad about it. But he is also not doing anything to mend it or to propose a different solution, a different way to spend his time or disclose information, which makes me feel even more rejected and taken for granted.

It doesn't matter to him if it was abrupt. What does he expect you to do, keep participating in things that are meh to you, just so he retains dating access to you, and it is a "less abrupt parting of ways"?

If this is a pattern for him, using the NRE high to avoid dealing in break-up feelings so he doesn't feel yucky, I guess he's going to seek the next new person now. That's how you entered the picture when Red broke up with him. That's how Green entered the picture when Yellow broke up with him, or at least that's how it sounds.

This is also making me wonder whether I am poly or not, or whether I have just had a really difficult first experience with someone anxious and avoidant.

To me, you seem up for poly. It's just that your first experience was with someone really messy, and because you are new and inexperienced, you didn't know how to vet/check for that. Sometimes, even with the best vetting, a weird one slips in and all one can do is end it fast and get out. It's okay to chalk this up to a learning experience. Heal from the break-up, and then move on when you are ready to date other people.

Galagirl
 
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Hello blablablu,

I don't think you did anything wrong. Your only "crime" was that you wanted/needed more than he could offer-- more of his time, more transparency. You were in a V, which meant you got "half of him," while he got all of you, plus one whole additional partner. You felt like this was unfair, and your feeling was/is totally understandable.

I don't know whether polyamory is right for you. Maybe it would be okay if your partner made himself more available to you. And then, the way his other partner treated you when you met them just made the situation worse.

As I said, I don't think you did anything wrong. It's just that this situation, along with all its details, was a poor fit for you. I don't think your ex was very attentive to your needs. I hope you find a more nurturing partner in the future.

With sincere sympathy and regards,
Kevin T.
 
To me he sounds spread too thin and all NRE for whoever happens to be the latest New Shiny Person. While you were that person, it was more fun for you. When he moved on to NRE for the next person, it became a drag for you.
This ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️
 
Thank you @GalaGirl.
To go into detail, in order:
  • He recently broke up with his ex Red because Red didn't like his way of going.
    • Was he cheating on agreements he had with Red?
    • Why did he chase you so fast after the break up? On the rebound?
Technically, he wasn't cheating, as he was following the agreements with Red, but trying to find circumventing small ways to not be controlled.

The chase after the break-up was a bit circumstantial because we happened to meet at that point, but he took no time to process the break-up and he was still sleeping with Red often when we started to date. He was in his 'I can finally do whatever I want' phase.
To me, he sounds spread too thin and gets NRE for whoever happens to be the latest New Shiny Person. While you were that person, it was more fun for you. When he moved on to NRE for the next person, it became a drag for you.
This was also my impression at the time, or what I was scared and worried about, but he was really good at keeping the excitement and the highs in our relationship for quite a while before things started to feel a bit more rocky. So I thought I was just being insecure and that my anxious attachment was triggered.

And what matters is HIM having a good time.
But this, eventually, was the conclusion that I reached.
I wonder if this guy is harem building.
And also THIS!! He craves a lot of attention.

To me you are up for poly. Just that your first experience was with someone really messy. And because you are new and inexperienced, you didn't know how to vet/check for that. Sometimes even with the best vetting a weird one slips in and all one can do is end it fast and get out. It's ok to chalk this up to a learning experience. Do your break up healing on your own, and then move on when you are ready to date other people.

Galagirl
Thank you. This is really nice to hear.
 
Hello blablablu,

I don't think you did anything wrong, your only "crime" was that you wanted/needed more than he could offer -- more of his time, more of his transparency.
I hope this is not a crime!! It cannot be! More is better, right? Isn't that one of the reason poly exists? To have more intimacy? More love? More connections? :)

You were in a V, which meant you got "half of him," while he got all of you, plus one whole additional partner.
When I pointed this out, he responded by saying that I should also try and imagine how hard it was for him to manage two or more people's needs. And I got that, but at the same time I wanted to scream: ARE YOU FOR REAL??

I hope you find a more nurturing partner in the future.

With sincere sympathy and regards,
Kevin T.
Thanks a lot, Kevin.
 
I also wonder what the side of his story would be. And I would LOVE to speak to his other partner and see what they think. But is it my place to do so? I should probably just leave it. But the relationship left me second-guessing myself and needing to know that I am not/was not making it all up in my head.
 
I hope this is not a crime!! It cannot be! More is better, right? Isn't that one of the reason poly exists? To have more intimacy? More love? More connections? :)
I agree with what others have said about this guy trying to juggle too many people, and possibly being a NRE addict or harem builder.

But as for your above question, yes, more love is possible with polyamory, from multiple people. But you don't get the dibs on all of a poly person's time. They do have others to share their love and time and other resources with. If you need more, you need to date more than one person too.
 
If I were going to guess...

I also wonder what the side of his story would be.

Probably whatever lets him think that he's a "nice guy" and continue his one-sided pattern. What he's doing works for him.

And I would LOVE to speak to his other partner and see what they think. But is it my place to do so?

It's not your place to do so, and you already know what Red and Yellow think. They got tired of him and his behaviors and they broke up with him. Green is prob still in NRE, twitterpated with him, and believes the "My exes are crazy" stuff.

When ALL the exes are "controlling" or "crazy," or whatever it is he calls them, the common denominator is HIM. It's not like he'd be honest and say "I'm messy and I hinge poorly. Want to date me?" It's easier to blame the ex.

I should probably just leave it. But the relationship left me second-guessing myself and needing to know that I am not/was not making it all up in my head.
Is that what he used to tell you, that you were making things up in your head? Not seeing things clear? Too sensitive? Things like that? If so, it may be the remaining echoes of his voice. You JUST broke up. He had you off balance.

You didn't make things up. You were there. You observed and experienced poor behaviors firsthand.

  • Not telling you right away how many partners he had.
  • How he favored and maybe even love bombed you when you were the New Shiny Person
  • How he switched his attention to the next New Shiny Person
  • How he'd disappear for days with no communication.

You could make a longer list, if needed. But no, you didn't make it up. You were THERE.

Galagirl
 
I can't see that he did much wrong.

Some people want parallel poly. Some people don't want to share much about their other partners. Some people do not want to meet their metamours.

If he didn't insist on you being monogamous, harems have nothing to do with this situation.

It just sounds like bad timing and incompatibility. I wouldn't use it to say you can't ever do poly. Just move on and don't be encouraged to think of this guy as predatory or a terrible person, he isn't. He just didn't want the same things as you.
 
I agree with what others have said about this guy trying to juggle too many people, and possibly being a NRE addict or harem builder.

But as for your above question, yes, more love is possible with polyamory, from multiple people. But you don't get the dibs on all of a poly person's time. They do have others to share their love and time and other resources with. If you need more, you need to date more than one person too.

I didn't expect all of his time, but for him to be more open and communicative. On my side, I could have been clearer with what I needed since day one but my naive mistake was to think that we all share a similar feeling of common sense and we are able to imagine how other people feel/might feel.

I was dating other people, but just with a different level of intensity and generally I do not fall in love very easily.
 
If I was going to guess... probably whatever lets him think that he's a "nice guy" and continue his one-sided pattern. What he's doing works for him.

You already know what Red and Yellow think. They broke up with him. Green is twitterpated with him and believes the "My exes are crazy" stuff. When ALL the exes are "controlling" or "crazy," or whatever it is he calls them, the common denominator is HIM. It's not like he'd be honest and say "I'm messy and I hinge poorly. Want to date me?"


Is that what he used to tell you? That you are making things up in your head? Not seeing things clear? Too sensitive? Things like that? If so, it may be the remaining echoes of his voice. You JUST broke up. He had you off balance.

You didn't make things up. You were there. You observed and experienced poor behaviors first hand.

  • Not telling you right away how many partners he had.
  • How he favored and maybe even love bombed you when you were the New Shiny Person
  • How he switched his attention to the next New Shiny Person
  • How he'd disappear for days with no communication.
Thank you so much for taking time to reply and type all of this out.

Yes, he said his exes had 'explosive' reactions and it was not bearable to continue the relationships because of how their reactions made him feel (guilty, controlled, and like he was walking on eggshells).

He didn't say I was making things up in my head, but tried to avoid and bypass any kind of discussion that felt difficult, any time I needed to talk things through. He'd say that instead of having these conversations, we needed to have a "good time" to reconnect and feel closer, which I partly agreed with. I think that both things are equally important.

But it is really helpful to find words to explain what happened and to be able to talk things through with him when we feel ready to. If ever.

Thank you again for your time.
 
I can't see that he did much wrong. Some people want parallel poly. Some people don't want to share much about their other partners. Some people do not want to meet their metamours. If he didn't insist on you being monogamous, harems have nothing to do with this situation.

It just sounds like bad timing and incompatibility. I wouldn't use it to say you can't ever do poly. Just move on and don't be encouraged to think of this guy as predatory or a terrible person. He isn't. He just didn't want the same things as you.

I understand having different needs, and I have a tendency to give the benefit of the doubt to people. I do not think that he is a terrible person, just that there is a lot of anxiety there and worry to ruin things, to lose control and to lose the benefits he gets from his relationships.

Parallel poly for sure, but if one or more relationships become serious there has to be some kind of communication and understanding of everybody's needs. Otherwise it's all focused on the needs of one and everyone else has to go with it? Whenever I tried to ask whether his other partners were struggling with this, he'd respond vaguely and say 'They are, but for different reasons to yours.' It's really hard to get a picture of what your role is in the whole scenario and really difficult to feel secure.
 
I understand having different needs, and I have a tendency to give the benefit of the doubt to people. I do not think that he is a terrible person, just that there is a lot of anxiety there and worry about ruining things, losing control and losing the benefits he gets from his relationships.

Parallel poly, for sure, but if one or more relationships become serious, there has to be some kind of communication and understanding of everybody's needs. Otherwise it's all focused on the needs of one and everyone else has to go with it? Whenever I tried to ask whether his other partners were struggling with this he'd respond vaguely and say 'They are, but for different reasons than yours.' It's really hard to get a picture of what your role is in the whole scenario and really difficult to feel secure.

Usually, the person in the middle, the hinge, is expected to manage their own relationships.

A lot of the time, people feel like communicating with their metamour will influence their metamour to not ask for things the hinge might say yes to. What I mean by this is that if you are unsure if your partner would agree to having kids with another partner, you can express to your metamour how much you'd hate that, then they'll never ask your partner to parent with them.

The actual issue is that you can't rely on your partner to stick to an agreement about the issue. That makes it sound like he's unreliable, but it could also just be because he doesn't know where he stands on that (or many) issues.

As uncomfortable as it is, sometimes people need to figure out what they want in the long term while they're already in a relationship. When they do figure that out, it might mean the relationship will end. Part of having relationships is learning to enjoy the moment, knowing it could end at any time.

The more you can be certain that your partner knows what they want, the more secure you can be.

I think you're deflecting by saying you're worried about him missing out on a good thing. I think you're worried he will make choices that will effectively exclude you. I think you should focus on whether you're past dating people who aren't sure what they want from their relationships. A lot of us are.
 
Usually, the person in the middle, the hinge, is expected to manage their own relationships.

A lot of the time, people feel like communicating with their metamour will influence their metamour to not ask for things the hinge might say yes to. What I mean by this is that if you are unsure if your partner would agree to having kids with another partner, you can express to your metamour how much you'd hate that, then they'll never ask your partner to parent with them.
I understand this. I wouldn't want to communicate in that way and be controlling. But inevitably the relationships are/get entangled, in the sense that no matter what happens, we are going to influence each other's lives, even if we do not talk directly about things. And the hinge has to well, be the hinge.
The actual issue is that you can't rely on your partner to stick to an agreement about the issue. That makes it sound like he's unreliable, but it could also just be because he doesn't know where he stands on that (or many) issues.

As uncomfortable as it is, sometimes people need to figure out what they want in the long term while they're already in a relationship. When they do figure that out, it might mean the relationship will end. Part of having relationships is learning to enjoy the moment, knowing it could end at any time.

The more you can be certain that your partner knows what they want, the more secure you can be.
I think that this is the core of the issue, yes.

I think you're deflecting by saying you're worried about him missing out on a good thing. I think you're worried he will make choices that will effectively exclude you.
I didn't mean that I was worried about him missing out on a good thing but that a lot of his behaviour and choices were made to avoid difficult conversations that would make things harder for him or that would potentially change the balance he found and the benefits he was getting from it.
I think you should focus on whether you're past dating people who aren't sure what they want from their relationships. A lot of us are.
This is definitely a big part of the core issue. Thank you
 
If he wanted very separate, parallel poly, and dates twice a month or whatever, there is nothing wrong with that. But he could have said so from the start, rather than calling it "magical."

Yes, he said his exes had 'explosive' reactions, and it was not bearable to continue the relationships because of how their reactions made him feel (guilty, controlled, and like he was walking on eggshells).

If more than one ex is actually like that, he has a partner-selection problem because he keeps picking this type out to date.

Alternately, they get mad at his poor behaviors, he's avoidant, and shifts the blame onto them, so they are the "unreasonable ones," rather than actually taking personal responsibility for his behaviors.

Either way, he doesn't sound great or compatible for you, especially if he avoids giving you clear communication about what kind of relationship he can even offer you.

He didn't say I was making things up in my head, but tried to avoid and bypass any kind of discussion that felt difficult, any time I needed to talk things through. He'd say that instead of having these conversations, we needed to have a "good time" to reconnect and feel closer, which I partly agreed with. I think that both things are equally important.

So he doesn't meet your needs because he avoids talking things through.

You might value a balance between having a "good time" and times for having difficult conversations, so you can clear up any potential misunderstandings or make sure you want the same things. But it sounds like he's all about the "good time" and avoiding the hard talks. He doesn't share that value.

I'm not sure you could have a long-term relationship and NEVER talk about problems.

I think you were right to break up with him. You're just not compatible.

But it is really helpful to find words to explain what happened and to be able to talk things through with him when we feel ready to. If ever.

I would not bother with this if I were you. You two are broken up now. He didn't want to talk things through when dating. Why on earth would he do it when you're exes? If you need more, you could journal, or process with someone else, like a trusted friend IRL, or perhaps a counselor. But you could pass on talking to him.

Galagirl
 
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No matter you may go for guess if you don't belief but there is no need to guess uf you have mind and sense to identify them.
 
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