Wife Doesn’t Seem Interested in Sex… with Me

pailythorse

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Good morning,

My wife and I have gone an entire year now, to the day, without having any sex. This has not been a conscious decision on my part and it’s not part of any pre-established relationship dynamic or kink we have. It is also something that I feel effects me negatively.

A little background…

My name's Luke. (M/35)

My wife, Laura (F/33), and I have been together for 12 years, married for 7. We are in an openly polyamorous arrangement where she has a separate female partner, Linda (F/23). Laura and I had a perfectly good and normal sex life through most of our relationship. We did have a period of about a year just before the pandemic where we seemed to be a bit distant and the amount of intimacy decreased.

Midway through 2020, we discovered what we call “Dirty Twitter”. These were porn focused accounts on Twitter that she stumbled across. Her and I both created separate accounts, and shared them with each other, to explore this side of Twitter. For almost the whole next year, this heavily increased our sex drives and we were more intimate than maybe any other time than perhaps the very beginning of our relationship. We experimented more, we flirted more, we had sex more. That part of our lives was great.

Shortly after the start of this period is around the time my wife realized she was falling in love with her best friend, Linda. By the end of 2020 they'd be an official, although long distance, couple and we had decided together to open our relationship. Our close sexual bond continued while she began dating Linda remotely. They certainly had their own private sexy times together but it never seemed to interrupt ours.

About 8 months into their relationship, Summer of 2021, Linda came to visit for the first time since they'd been a couple. Linda had spent time at our house during quarantine as a roommate but they weren't out to each other then. They did have physical intercourse for the first time together that week. It seems that after thought our sexual connection started to wane. It made some sense to me - NRE, new experiences, having firsts, etc. - that our connection might take a backseat at first. She generally just seemed less engaged about sexual things with me. We only had sex on a handful of occasions over the next four months or so. Then it stopped entirely. From fall of 2021 until February of 2022 we had no sex at all.

This dry spell was both concerning and frustrating for me. I tried to talk to Laura about it on multiple occasions and, depending on her mood, she sometimes seemed open to the discussion. I want to say we did actually try and initiate sex once during this dry spell and she was unable to get into it at all. Anyway, when we'd discuss it she'd tell me that her sex drive was just lower than mine, she'd say she just hadn't been in the mood, and she'd bring up how bad the one time we tried to have sex during this period went, with her being uncomfortable and all. I was frustrated that I wasn't getting the answer I wanted but I really did try and understand where she was coming from and made all my best efforts to put this sort of thing behind me until she initiated.

In February of last year, she did initiate and we did have sex and we both seemed to enjoy it! Everything worked great, we were both happy with it, and there was an understanding that we'd ended out dry spell and this sort of thing would happen more frequently. That was the last time we've ever had sex.

Unrelated to all of this, Linda moved in with us in March of last year. The first few months she lived at the house reminded me of the couple of months the year prior where their relationship got a lot more attention for a while. Again, this made sense to me. With Linda and Laura in the same house, it became somewhat clear, that they're still sexually active with each other. At first, again due to NRE and all the feelings of newness, this wasn't that concerning to me. Throughout the year though, I felt myself feeling insecure and lonely in my position on the V. I've mentioned this to Laura on multiple occasions and Laura continues insisting there's nothing wrong with me or our relationship, she says that she's just not in the mood as much anymore and it just so happens that when she is in the mood, she's with Linda, not me.

The longer this goes on and the more and more nothing changes, the harder time I have believing that Laura and I are just missing each other when the opportune time arises. The insecurity and jealousy this has brought up within me has led to some disagreements and spats between Laura and I, the most recent being last week, but it's nothing we haven't made up for almost right afterward.

For her part, Laura seems mostly happy to just drop it and it seems like if I never mentioned or engaged in sexual thoughts or encounters ever again, it'd be too soon for her. I just have not seen even an inkling of a spark of her sexual attraction to me in the next year.

Aside from this one issue, I think we're doing pretty well. I'm genuinely happy about our poly arrangement. Laura asked me recently what I'd do if her and Linda broke up and upon being forced to think about it, my answer is that I'd be kinda crushed. I like our dynamic as the three of us and I love the way that Laura and Linda feel for each other. I think over the time we've experimented with this I've genuinely found compersion in their relationship. I get along well with Linda, although I've not really talked to her about this as it seems between me and Laura.

I have tried time and time again to put this behind me and just come to some acceptance that the sexual nature of our relationship might just be dead. When I do try and confront that, it kind of bothers me. I hate the idea of thinking we'll never be sexually intimate again. I can accept mismatched sex drives and I can accept this not being near as big a priority for us as it has been in the past. I have a harder time accepting that we're just done with this though.

I suppose I also struggle with how Laura communicates about this. She regularly insists its nothing about me personally that has caused this and that there's absolutely nothing I could do better to change her lack of interest in our sexual relationship. I even went as far as to asking her if maybe her sexuality had shifted and maybe she wasn't attracted to men sexually anymore. She refused to accept this premise and said she was still sexually attracted to men and to me, just that she hadn't been interested in actively having sex in a while. The couple of times I've brought up the discrepancy between how little we're having sex and how regularly her and Linda seem to be, Laura insists that I'm overestimating how much they have sex.

Respectfully, I feel like she's underestimating it when put on the spot in a discussion. We don't have a huge place, you can sometimes tell when other people in this house are sexually active. There's also been snippets and conversations where they've discussed or been open about sexual encounters they've had. I don't know the true amount of how frequently they're engaging but the impression I get from the outside is that it's relatively consistent.
Again, I do understand their relationship is different and their sexual experiences probably invoke a lot of different feelings.

None of this stops the feelings of jealousy and insecurity though. None of this stops the fear I feel when I consider that maybe Laura and I are no longer sexually compatible.
I'm sorry, I know that was a lot. I hope I was clear and fair in presenting our dynamic and some of the relevant details about what's going on. Do y'all have any advice? Have y'all seen this sort of thing before? Any thoughts on how I should proceed? I'm going to remain very open to any and all feedback and I'm happy to clarify if there was anything unclear to y'all.
 
Yeah, it sounds like she has transitioned to a sexless relationship with you without your consent. She's now gaslighting you into believing that it shouldn't be a big deal if you are truly evolved enough to accept that she has no obligation to have sex with you.

She isn't obliged to, but nor are you obliged to provide platonic companionship and financial contribution to a lesbian.
 
Yeah, it sounds like she has transitioned to a sexless relationship with you without your consent. She's now gaslighting you into believing that it shouldn't be a big deal if you are truly evolved enough to accept that she has no obligation to have sex with you.

She isn't obliged to, but nor are you obliged to provide platonic companionship and financial contribution to a lesbian.
While I’m not sure how I feel about the tone of this reply, I think it does really get to my worst fears of the situation.

I do worry that one option here is that I’m being manipulated and taken advantage of. I don’t believe that’s the case, I have too much faith in what our relationship means to the both of us, to believe it’s gone that far wrong.

It is certainly the outcome I’m most afraid of though. 🫤
 
I'm only going by what you said. Your relationship has become sexless, she's still having sex with Linda, and when you raise the issue, she doesn't think it's a big deal.

It really doesn't matter if she truly believes a lack of sex shouldn't outweigh all the other good things or she really doesn't care and is using you. Either way, she's okay with the lack of sex and seemingly has no plans to try and change it (not saying she has to). You're not okay with it.

That is where the problem lies.

As a Queer woman myself, I recognise her story as the beginning of a tale that ends "and that's why I didn't know I was a lesbian until 40".
 
It sounds like you and Laura are done as lovers. I think you've been fair about it. And I too was thinking "Oh. Late in life lesbian thing" and like perhaps Laura herself is not ready to own that?

Whatever the reason, you seem ready to let this transition to a new shape. Like exes and friends. Sad about it, but kinda ready to move on romantically?

Is that true?
 
Umm, frankly? I’m not sure.

I am certainly saddened by that proposition - crushed, even. The thought that my partner and I may have just naturally reached the end of our road is very rough to hear.

I hear what y’all are saying and I do question the value of a completely sexless relationship, if that’s destined to be the case moving forward.

Yeah, that’s a lot to think about…
 
I'm only going by what you said. Your relationship has become sexless, she's still having sex with Linda, and when you raise the issue, she doesn't think it's a big deal.

It really doesn't matter if she truly believes a lack of sex shouldn't outweigh all the other good things or she really doesn't care and is using you. Either way, she's okay with the lack of sex and seemingly has no plans to try and change it (not saying she has to). You're not okay with it.

That is where the problem lies.

As a Queer woman myself, I recognise her story as the beginning of a tale that ends "and that's why I didn't know I was a lesbian until 40".
Your reply was blunt but it was truly honest and fair.

I do appreciate it. Thank you.
 
Umm, frankly? I’m not sure.

I am certainly saddened by that proposition - crushed, even. The thought that my partner and I may have just naturally reached the end of our road is very rough to hear.

I hear what y’all are saying and I do question the value of a completely sexless relationship, if that’s destined to be the case moving forward.

Yeah, that’s a lot to think about…

There's this weird side of polyamory that's almost anti-sex. Like people have become so intent on proving that it isn't just about getting as much sex as you can, that they start to feel like sex shouldn't be a motivation for relationships at all. Especially where you have the freedom to pursue sexual relationships with others.

I meet people, many of them poly, who are genuinely shocked that an absence of sex would be a dealbreaker for a civilized person who genuinely loves or loved their partner. I clearly remember the first time I heard it because it was someone suggesting to a sex repulsed asexual that poly people are more likely to be okay with never having sex with a partner.

I don't think we differ much from the general population in that respect in that for a lot of us, no sex will inhibit the level of intimacy and commitment in a romantic relationship.
 
Another thing to note, I suppose, is that the opening of our relationship was done to conform to her new feelings of intimacy for someone else.

I have not personally developed a bond with anyone like that in the time we’ve been together, before being poly or after.

As a person, I’m open to the idea of being in multiple relationships and against the thought of one partner for life but I suppose I had not really considered that deeply for myself as I assumed I’d be happy with Laura for the rest of my life.

Yeah, I hadn’t really considered options beyond “fixing” our relationship…
 
Hello Luke,

You seem to be experiencing "dead bed." You might want to sit down with Laura, and have another heart-to-heart with her about the "elephant in the room."
  • We haven't had sex for a long time.
  • What seems to be the reason for this?
  • What would need to happen, in order for our sex life to be revived?
  • Should it be revived?
  • If it isn't revived, does this change our overall relationship with each other?
  • Should it change that?
  • Would it be okay if I went out in search of a new sexual partner?
And there may be other items you'd want to add to the list above; what I've listed is just what I've been able to think of off the top of my head.

I could understand if Laura happened to be in the mood only when Linda was around if that happened a few times. But a year? That's too much to be a coincidence. I would suggest that you say as much during your pending heart-to-heart with her.

She'll probably be put off by you bringing it up "yet again," but the two of you need to come to an agreement about, "What now," in light of the obvious fact that your relationship is no longer sexual. It doesn't mean the relationship itself is doomed, but it certainly implies that some changes are afoot. These changes are what needs to be discussed.

This is a rough situation; I feel for you.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Hello Luke,

You seem to be experiencing "dead bed." You might want to sit down with Laura, and have another heart-to-heart with her about the "elephant in the room."
  • We haven't had sex for a long time.
  • What seems to be the reason for this?
  • What would need to happen, in order for our sex life to be revived?
  • Should it be revived?
  • If it isn't revived, does this change our overall relationship with each other?
  • Should it change that?
  • Would it be okay if I went out in search of a new sexual partner?
And there may be other items you'd want to add to the list above; what I've listed is just what I've been able to think of off the top of my head.

I could understand if Laura happened to be in the mood only when Linda was around if that happened a few times. But a year? That's too much to be a coincidence. I would suggest that you say as much during your pending heart-to-heart with her.

She'll probably be put off by you bringing it up "yet again," but the two of you need to come to an agreement about, "What now," in light of the obvious fact that your relationship is no longer sexual. It doesn't mean the relationship itself is doomed, but it certainly implies that some changes are afoot. These changes are what needs to be discussed.

This is a rough situation; I feel for you.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
Thanks for the advice. We’ve certainly had sit down convos before but I do think it’s time to do it again and really hammer out how we proceed from here.

My biggest fear is that no matter the context of the conversation, I think I know what most of her answers are going to be. When we talk about stuff like this I get the impression she’s stonewalling me and hiding some of her true feelings but when I say that she gets very upset and says it’s my insecurity telling me that and I just need to trust her because she’s always being honest and isn’t holding anything back.

I don’t really always by that. I’m sure there’s time my insecurities cause me to read into something more than I should but I also consider myself pretty good at reading people and especially good at reading her and I still feel like she’s not always really facing these questions head on. And I can’t seem to get her to do that.

Idk if this could help prompt anymore guidance or advice, or just insight into our situation, but here’s what I think her answers would be based on the times we’ve had similar convos…

- We haven’t had sex for a long time. What seems to be the reason for this? - “I don’t know. My sex drive just isn’t as high as yours. The fee times I am in the mood, we’re not together.”

- What would need to happen in order for our sex life to be revived? - “I don’t know. Maybe if you tried ti get me in the mood more? I don’t know. Don’t worry, we’ll have sex again. I’m just not as into it as I was before.”

- Should it be revived? - Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever asked this directly. I get the impression she “wants” to be sexually intimate with me, or that she at least feels bad for not being that, but there’s never any action taken towards it. She did, after a recent argument, frustratedly state that she wished sex didn’t exist. That kinda hurt me a bit to hear her react that way. I see sex as a beautiful and important part of all relationships and I fully support her and Linda being sexual separately from me, but I hate the idea that this has caused her so much stress she’d just “wish away” the whole notion of it.

- If it isn’t revived, does this change the overall nature of our relationship with each other? Should it change that? - “No, and I don’t think it should. Our relationship is more than just sex.”

- Would it be okay if I went in search of a new sexual partner? - “No, I’d prefer you didn’t. I’d be jealous and I want our relationship to be enough for you.” At this point I’ll bring up how sex is a very big part of any relationship to me and how I don’t think it can be avoided to which she’ll revert back to “Don’t worry, we’ll have sex again eventually.”

I talked about it a bit in another topic on here. Let me see if I can just quote that…

Whenever me or my meta have brought up seeking other partners, my wife clearly gets nervous. She says that she isn’t sure she could handle that because she’d get jealous. She says she wants to be enough for each of us on her own and us seeking other people makes her feel like she’s not. When we bring up that this is what she’s done to us, she points out that she didn’t seek to fall in love with her second partner, it just happened. She feels like us active looking means we’re dissatisfied with a part of our current relationship whereas she was perfectly happy with her and my relationship when she fell for her friend.

Wow! Look at me go! As a man nearing middle-age, I grew up in Internet forums and it brings me a lot of joy to be posting somewhere like this again. Social media doesn’t have the same impact as good ol’ forums.
 
A lot of this seems to be you expecting Laura to "decide the things" in this relationship. And then get frustrated with the stonewalling.

Have you read the Gottman 4 horsemen of divorce? Stonewalling is one of them. I don't know if you've been getting the rest.

https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-fo...cism-contempt-defensiveness-and-stonewalling/


You talk about her not being entirely honest, but then neither are you being entirely honest. Nowhere in the conversations of the past or in the planning conversations for near future am I seeing things that actually address the elephant in the room. You both keep dancing around it.

I suggest you think about actually addressing it in your next conversation. And if you need a counselor's help in HAVING the conversation? Arrange for a couple counselor appointment.

  • We haven’t had sex for a long time. I think it's time to accept that it's just not happening. We are no longer compatible for that.
  • I like us living together. I love you, I like Linda. But I do not like being in a sexless marriage. This kind of marriage is not enough for me. I prefer to transition into being good exes and friends.
  • You have moved on in your romantic life. I'd like to move on as well. It's not right to do poly like open for you but not for me.
  • I want to talk about a healthy poly. Or a healthy divorce and what that looks like.
Honestly? I'd go divorce. Changing to poly just to hang on to the marriage or avoid a divorce is not a good reason to poly to me. Other people don't need to be dragged through couple weird either.

While written for teens, I think this assessment tool can apply to all ages.

https://www.scarleteen.com/article/relationships/should_i_stay_or_should_i_go

I'm going to lift up the bullet points. I suggest you reflect on them. If you and Laura want to stay in a relationship... WHAT KIND of relationship shape fits best? It's not sexless marriage shape. It's not open for her and not for you wonky poly shape. I think exes and friends shape could fit better. But I am not you. You have to figure things out for yourself.

Should you stay…​

  • You and the other person very much want to be in the relationship you're in together
  • Most of the relationship makes everyone in it happy most of the time
  • You and the other person are getting most of what each of you wants and needs
  • You look forward to seeing each other, share a lot of laughter and joy, and find the relationship makes you feel good about yourself
  • Both of you feel the give-and-take is mutual
  • Communication is open and works well
  • The relationship is and has been physically and emotionally healthy and safe for everyone
  • Everyone in the relationship is, or at least seems, very invested in it
  • You and the other person have more good things to say about each other, and things you like about each other, than criticisms or things you dislike
  • You resolve conflict well together
  • The relationship feels like a place where everyone can be themselves, be challenged and grow in positive ways, and is accepted, cared for and supported
  • You or the other person don't feel done

or should you go?​

  • You or the other person don't really want to be in the relationship anymore or feel apathetic about it
  • The relationship makes anyone in it unhappy a lot of the time
  • You or the other person are not getting most of what you want or need
  • Seeing each other isn't something one or both of you looks forward to anymore, there's little laughter or joy, and one or both of you finds the relationship makes you feel bad about yourself
  • You or the other person feels like they give way more than they get
  • Communication has broken down, stopped or feels impossible
  • The relationship is or has been physically or emotionally unhealthy or unsafe for anyone in it
  • Anyone in the relationship isn't or doesn't seem invested in it
  • You and the other person have more bad things to say about each other, and things you dislike about each other, than good things or things you like
  • You don't resolve conflict well together or feel only one of you is trying to fix things
  • The relationship feels like a place where someone wants to change the other, where positive challenges and growth have stopped happening or never happened, and/or one or both people aren't being accepting, caring or supportive
  • You're only or mostly staying in it out of guilt
  • You or the other person feels done

Still Not Sure​


  • Is this the right relationship for you in your life now, or was it only right in the past?
  • Are you staying in because this feels good, or because this feels familiar?
  • Are you afraid of change in your life or of being alone or single? Is this relationship keeping you from needed change or growth?
  • Do you feel like letting go means you failed? Are you staying to try and prove something to yourself or someone else?
  • Are you staying because you feel guilty about having been sexual in something other than a lifelong relationship?
  • Are you choosing to stay because you've become a partner's caretaker or counselor rather than their partner?
  • Are you staying because any relationship seems better than no relationship, or because you're afraid this is the only chance you'll have for this kind of relationship?
  • Are you staying because it's what the other person wants or says they need, even if it's not what you want and need?
  • Are you staying because you made some kind of promise that you know you can't keep or don't want to, but feel guilty about breaking?
  • Are you staying in figuring you'll just wait and see if something better comes along, and stay if it doesn't?
You don't have to answer any of it here. Just saying.... read the assessment tool. And give it some serious thought.

You have been sitting and hoping for a year. That's long enough. Address the elephant in the room. Start actually talking.
 
When we bring up that this is what she’s done to us, she points out that she didn’t seek to fall in love with her second partner, it just happened.

And so what? One may not help what one feels. One CAN help how they choose to behave.

I get really tired of "feelings" being used to excuse poor behavior like people are slaves to their emotions or something. I rather people OWN it. "I felt this. So I chose to do ___."

Basically she wants open for just her. And you and meta cannot date anyone else but her.

It is one thing to do mono-poly because YOU choose not to exercise the option to date others. Because you are satisfied with the one relationship. And you enjoy that dynamic.

It is quite another if the option is not even on the table at all.
 
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I dunno. I feel like I’m making her seem pretty bad lol.

Putting this all in text and reading more about this stuff, it does feel like we maybe got off on the wrong foot with all this stuff. I think everything’s turned out relatively okay so far but I wonder how much of that is because I have been so willing to take a backseat to her feelings.

I think I’m going to talk to her about getting a counselor’s help in talking about this.
 
"I don't know" is a cop out. She's either being dishonest with you because the truth would be a whole other world of hurt (some variant of "I'm just not attracted to you anymore") but she's still really liking the rest of your shared lifestyle. OR she's being dishonest with herself and not comfortable admitting that she's now lesbian. Either way (or some other nuance on these) a counselor would be a really useful person for her to work with.

At 35 there is NO WAY you should be expected to live a sexless life (that started at 34). This is NOT OKAY and I suggest you stop asking her and start telling her that you will be finding an/other sexual partner/s, or leave the relationship so you can find a new happiness.

If you go with the former (open on both sides), how she chooses to react towards that will determine your future together. She can learn to let go of her jealousy (fear of loss) and stop this double standard she's got going on right now (which is all in her favour). Or she can file for divorce.

As for the jealousy, what is she afraid of losing? She's already let go of wanting to have sex with you. Does she have a comfortable lifestyle with you that she doesn't want to give up? Or is she afraid of losing face in front of friends and family? Are you best friends now but couldn't still be friends in separation?

Or is there a sunk cost fallacy going on after 12 years?

I also understand that you'd really just love to be able to have a sexually intimate life with Laura again; she's your wife and you are still in love with her and enjoy your lifestyle including Linda. But experience (and the experience of many of my friends) tells me that once it's gone, it's gone (unless you are both willing to engage in sex therapy and/or some pretty committed work to get it back - ones that mean, "I'm not in the mood" don't mean doing nothing, but mean being more flexible in finding ways to share intimacy - which it doesn't sound currently like she's even considering).

Whatever happens, please don't give up on your own sex life what is likely less than half way through your life. I've been through this when previously trying to be in a mono relationship (I was 33 when I left, at the time for other reasons, but lack of sexual intimacy should have been a red flag a couple of years before). I've seen other mono friends go through this. The common factor is a severe reduction in wellbeing for the partner who still wants sex.
 
How about just a simpler "Everyone has had a hand in creating this situation. And now we are HERE. And this situation is becoming unsustainable. So something else has to be figured out."

Rather than worrying about who is good or bad? I happen to think you are probably all nice enough people. Just in a tough situation. And possibly outgrowing this dynamic and struggling with accepting it.

Putting this all in text and reading more about this stuff, it does feel like we maybe got off on the wrong foot with all this stuff.

Yup. I have no idea why anyone would agree to open just for 1 person, rather than open for all.

I think everything’s turned out relatively okay so far but I wonder how much of that is because I have been so willing to take a backseat to her feelings.

Yup. You ARE taking a back seat. Maybe hoping that in being so generous, she'd eventually do same back? And perhaps you were willing to be patient. But no movement at ALL for a YEAR? There's a limit to your patience.

If she's having a hard time accepting herself as a late in life lesbian? She may not be done dealing with her own self. So not able to think about you or her other partner's well being. She's all caught up in her own head. And anything new get rebuffed like "Aaaah! No! Not more changes! And more things to struggle with!"

But neither can YOU sit with your own life on hold forever just beause she's overwhelmed or stuck or whatever it is. You have to think about your well being.

I think seeking help from a couple counselor is a good idea. Even if she doesn't want to do couple counseling? You could get an individual counselor for just you.

She might be happy with a sexless marriage to you. But you don't have to be happy with that. If nothing is ever gonna change and this is all it is ever gonna be from this point forward?

You get to decide if that's enough for you. Or if you want something more than that.

"Til death do us part" isn't just physical death of one of the spouses. If the spirit of the marriage has died and it's become like just "going through the motions?" You might have to come to terms with it being over. And that being exes and friends might be a better fit.

So please do get yourself a counselor. You have a lot going on here.
 
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Hi Luke,

Even if you know how Laura is going to respond, the respectful thing to do is to give her a chance to prove you wrong if she can. Have the discussion, so that each point becomes official. And if she's not going to be honest with you, take the higher road and act as if you trust her anyway. Except when she lies so egregiously that it's easy to call her on it. Like the thing about, "Oh, you just haven't been around when I was in the mood." For a year? Come on now ...

But don't push. Don't belabor the question when her answer is suspect. Just say, "Okay," and move on to the next question (or what would be the next question based on her answer to the current question). On some things you could even say, "Well that's hard to believe but okay, let's assume that's the case. In that case ..." and follow up with what the next question would be, if you could trust her current answer. Don't belabor the point, just say, "That's hard for me to believe, but okay." And move on to the next natural point. Don't give her a chance to get mad at you for not believing her. I don't think you can talk her into being honest, so my advice is, don't try. Just accept her stated positions at face value.

Re: "My sex drive just isn't as high as yours." No sex for a year? I would say it isn't as high!

Re: "Maybe if you tried to get me in the mood more? I don't know. Don't worry, we'll have sex again. I'm just not as into it as I was before." So, are you supposed to be satisfied with sex once a year or less? and if you know you can't be satisfied with that, you should say so to her. Also I recommend you ask her what actions on your part would help her get in the mood.

What I gather, from what I've read in this thread so far, is that she has lost interest in you, and she doesn't want to face that fact. She is kind of in a state of denial. My guess is she doesn't mean to lie, but when she speaks an untruth, it is the denial talking. But the denial is self-supporting. If you say to her, "I think you are in denial," she'll just get angry, respond defensively, and assert that it's just your insecurity talking when you say that. That all is a circular argument, and not worth getting into. Just know for your own sake that this is denial, without saying so to her. She needs to ride out the denial on her own steam and timetable.

Re: "Our relationship is more than just sex." That doesn't mean that sex isn't a vital part of the relationship.

If she is going to assert a double standard, and suggest that you shouldn't have a second partner, when she already has a second partner, then you have a choice to make -- a hard choice, I won't try to pretend otherwise. So she wants the current relationship to be enough for you. Sex once a year or less. That is the bottom line. Is that enough for you? Can it be enough for you? and if it can't, then you may eventually realize that breaking up is something you'll actually start to consider. I mean she's laying the cards on the table. You get what she's currently offering, and not one bit more. Is that fair? I don't think it is. But you're not her, it's not up to you to decide what she should offer. Your only option is to decide how you respond to her offer. But yes, get the official word from her, out loud, before you decide how to respond.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
Also I recommend you ask her what actions on your part would help her get in the mood.
Also, what actions on HER part would help get her in the mood?
 
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