I am venting and just need a shoulder or an ear.

number3

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This is very long, and I am sorry. Anyone that cares to read it and offer some friendly advise I will very much appreciate it. I just need to vent somewhere to someone, and this seemed like maybe the place that I could do that.

So, yes my heart is broken. I hurt inside, and I may laugh and smile and get through my day but when you stop and ask me if I am doing better the answer is still no. I am still hurting. It is a fresh wound, he only told me yesterday that we could no longer see each other. I know time will take care of this but it still hurts. You see, I can’t really share this with everyone, just like I was not really able to share my excitement for our relationship either. Because he and I are both married. In open marriage’s, but still married, and even though open marriages are not a new concept they are still not openly accepted by most people.

The more you have loved and have allowed yourself to suffer because of your love, the more you will be able to let your heart grow wider and deeper. When your love is truly giving and receiving, those whom you love will not leave your heart even when they depart from you. The pain of rejection, absence, and death can become fruitful. Yes, as you love deeply the ground of your heart will be broken more and more, but you will rejoice in the abundance of the fruit it will bear. (12 ways to mend a broken heart, Therese Borchard, 2011)

We had been seeing each other since February, it is now June. We were introduced by “some mutual acquaintances” let’s say. He contacted me by the computer, and we chatted most of the night about everything and about nothing, and time really just seemed to flyby without us even realizing it. There seemed to be an instant connection. The next day we exchanged phone numbers and continued to text each other. By the end of that day he had to meet me, and decided to make an appointment to come get his hair done at my salon where I worked.
That Saturday I was very nervous, and excited about meeting him for the first time. I spent extra time getting ready for work that morning and probably changed my clothes twenty times before I decided what to wear. I arrived to work early to make sure I was placed just so when he got there. However, he must have been excited to meet me too, because he was already there when I came in. He was getting a manicure and pedicure in the other room, but that worked because I was able to walk by and get a good look at him and her him speak. He was so good looking, and so far he seemed pretty normal. Most of the guys I meet it turns out are not usually normal.
So after I cut his hair he texted me a message that he would like to take me to lunch if I was free the rest of the day so I said yea and we met for lunch. A two hour lunch……. We talked forever, again about nothing and about everything, I really did not want the lunch to end. It is so rare to meet someone that I can connect with so effortlessly and that is what seemed to happen with him, with us, but the lunch did have to end, I had to go pick up my daughter from her play date that afternoon. He walked me to the car and said good bye and we both drove or separate ways.

Later that evening, after still texting I end up driving to his river house to meet him. This is not something that I would usually do after just meeting someone, but I just felt compelled to be with him. We had an awesome experience, I will not go into details about, but it was awesome. We had several weekends like this together. His wife started to get concerned and talked to me about her insecurities, I tried to reassure her that I did not impose any type of threat to her or their marriage. I thought that she and I had really connected during that conversation and that I had eased her fears, or at least I hoped that I had.
We had stepped back and not seen each other for nearly two months, but just sent each other little messages throughout the week and the days when our time allowed for it. You know just a quick “hey how you doing” kind of thing with a little tease every now and then. Neither of us are having sexual relations with our spouse’s or anyone else though, so to be honest we were both a little horny during this time. Finally she was going to be out of town and we would be able to see each other without him having to take time away from his family. His family does come first. We had a very lovely evening with each other and got some great exercise. We seemed to still be connecting just like before even though it had been two months since we had been intimate together.

A week went by and then his messages seemed to stop. I did not want to bother him, he works a lot so I had only sent him two messages that Monday just a hey how are you, message and then a “good morning” message the next day, No response to any of them. Later on Tuesday I received a long message explaining how he was sorry to have to do this in a text but that she ( his wife ) was concerned that we were getting to close and that she was uncomfortable with it. He said “ Hi… sorry I haven’t been chatting… Mxxxx came to me yesterday with serious concerns as she views it about you and I…. I reassured her that I had no intentions or thoughts of leaving her… None the less she stated she still had serious concerns… when we first talked about doing this in our relationship we agreed that we both had a veto vote if we did not agree with something the other was doing… so I told her that if that is what she wanted that I would honor her wishes to stop seeing you and chatting with you all the time….at this point she hasent said she wants you removed or blocked from my emails and facebook and what not… for now it is just a stop chatting and of course meeting you for playtime. He said maybe after some time has passed she will change her mind…. Maybe not… that is why I at least gave it a day for her to cool down and see if she changed her mind or anything…. But she hasent….. I am sorry I am not in person to tell you these things.. you are ! a great person and deserve respect about this…. Hopefully time will allow things to cool off we will just have to see.. I am sorry that we cant make it work out right now…. I only wish the best for you and your family..”

I knew something was up before I got the message, but actually reading it put a huge lump in my throat. It hurt, and I was trying really hard to not break down, because I was at work, but I broke. Like a flood I broke. I cried myself to sleep that night. Last night. It was only yesterday. This is all so raw for me still. I don’t understand this “Veto” power. I mean how can a person tell someone that they are okay with them having other relationships and then when they find one that seems to work yank it away from them. It is just a power play to make sure that they are still important? I don’t know. But what I do know is that it hurts, it hurts bad, and as the girlfriend I feel like I have no say in this, I feel now like I was just a toy, to be use and then thrown away. I never expected him to put me before his wife or his family, but this I did not expect either. I was nice to her, I tried to be her friend. I wanted her to know me and trust me so that she would know that I was not a threat. We never got that chance.

I know that everything happens for a reason, I don’t know yet what the reasons are for this, but I do know that it is all in God’s plan and only time will heal me and show me what I was to learn. I did enjoy every single minute that we got to share together, and there is that. I had the best date of my life, so far at least, and that is something. I also found that someone can still find me attractive and make me feel beautiful about myself. All good things to take from this. Then I think maybe I also should take the lesson that married men with wives that have veto power should be off limits for me. My heart just cannot take it again.


If you read this far thank you.


Number 3
 
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I'm sorry you hurt after a break up. You are correct in that time will heal.

You are also correct in having learned that maybe you don't want to date married people who have a "veto style open marriage stucture." There's all kinds of open models -- could stick to the ones that you can thrive in. Painful to learn, but not everyone you date will be a runner. Could also take from this that you could cultivate friends who you can be "out" with so you can share those joys and concerns as they happen and not be without a support system.

I'm so sorry you struggle right now though. :(


Namaste,
Galagirl
 
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GalaGirl,

Thank you. I do have one friend that is poly as well, and he is actually the one that suggested that I write about my experience. Maybe it would help me to at least not keep it bottled up. But you know it's different for people in these types of relationships, It's not like I can talk to my friends at work. I believe I would basically get a look of what did I expect would happen in this type of relationship.
I know it can work, I have seen it work. But this is the first time I have been so hurt over a break up. I really thought that things were going in the right direction, but I guess she was having a bigger problem with things than I realized.
 
Heartache sucks! I'm sorry that you're going through that. I hope you navigate through the pain to find yourself in a more open space ready to receive love again. Unfortunately, it takes time. Good luck!
 
Hi number3,

Your story is a good illustration of why "veto power" is generally considered a bad idea (by most polyamorists I know of). It's too tempting (for the man's wife in this case) to take the easy way out and hide from her fears, at great cost to innocent parties such as yourself. You're probably wise to steer clear of "veto charged marriages" in the future.

I'm sorry you're going through this and hope Polyamory.com can be of some small help.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Oh, N3, I am so sorry. Having been "veto'd" myself because of a lover's wife's fears and insecurities, I understand how much it hurts, and how incredibly inhumane and unfair it is.

No one can ease the pain right now, but know that there are those of us thinking of you and sending all the healing thoughts we can. Time will help, though that isn't often a comfort until after it actually happens, I know.
 
He is a coward. If I were you, I would not be above a text message, so that it's not blocked, that says, "I'm sorry you are too cowardly to tell me this in person. I hope the next woman who comes your way is strong enough not to put up with bullshit rules like veto power, so that you cannot use and throw away another toy."

Then do not respond to anything he says, and put him entirely out of your mind.
 
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PolyinPractice,

As tempting as that is, I am not going to bend to that level. I think he really is tying to just figure out how to make her happy and find his happiness as well. I had conversations with her about this. She told me she was worried about us developing feeling for each other, and had asked me what I would do if that happen. I told her I did not avoid feelings with people. I feel like the only way a person can have extra relationships and avoid feelings is to either have only one night stands..... or be a total douche bag. And that any woman that was interested in that type of relationship with her husband was the one that she should be most concerned with. (I had already developed feelings for him at that point)

I really don't see him this way. He is a good guy, but I don't see this working for him to be able to have his cake and eat it too so to speak. Not if she pulls VETO every time he finds a pretty girl that he goes out of his way for.

I do have half a mind to text her however, as when she first voiced her concern I said that maybe I should just walk away then, as she sounded like she was not really open to the open relationship. But She said NO! Don't Do that, he would only go somewhere else and she would be worried about that. So now I wonder just what she thinks will happen.

Thank you for letting me vent.
 
Kevin T

Kevin,

You're right I probably should avoid Veto charged relationships. I did not know that this was a Veto charged relationship however, until it was pulled. Most importantly I think people in general need to learn to say what they mean and mean what they say. Then at least I would know what I am really getting into.
 
Most importantly I think people in general need to learn to say what they mean and mean what they say. Then at least I would know what I am really getting into.

I think when 3 people come together, all three are responsible for co-creating the situation/relationship model.

They can be up front on what they are offering you. You also have to ASK in the dating time. "Do you have agreements with your spouse that could affect me any?" They can't mind reader everything you might want to know.

I think he's a bit of a sloppy hinge/newbie hinge. If he had agreements with his wife, he could "own it" and just break it off and say "I'm not ready for this like I thought, I have to break it off." Not fob it off on his wife for having those veto things. It's not like she makes agreements with him without him noticing!

when she first voiced her concern I said that maybe I should just walk away then, as she sounded like she was not really open to the open relationship. But She said NO! Don't Do that, he would only go somewhere else and she would be worried about that.

I also think she's too unwilling meta/newbie meta if she's operating out of fear. If she was picking you as the least stinky of choices then it doesn't sound like she is choosing to participate in polyship from joy. She could have said "No, I am not as ready/open as I would like at this point in time" and own it.

You too sound a bit newbie/not owning it too. Why say "Maybe I should walk away then" and giving ownership of your behavior to her? Rather than you owning your behavior and going "Ok, not sounding like joyful yes here, so I'm going to bow out" instead? You chose to participate despite the less than promising sounding start. It's not like you can participate in it without you noticing.

I'm not judging here at all -- just pointing out this whole thing while painful, is a learning experience for ALL of you. :eek:

Hang in there. I hope in time you can heal from the break up and move forward.

Galagirl
 
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I am sorry you are going through this op...

Veto rules are just wrong on so many levels.
 
The most important thing to ask a potential new partner who is already in a relationship is whether they have explicit veto rights.
 
GalaGirl

Of course i asked about rule up front. There were only 2 rules "safe sex" and not in her bed. And of course since they are not out poly we needed to be discrete.

"You too sound a bit newbie/not owning it too. Why say "Maybe I should walk away then" and giving ownership of your behavior to her? Rather than you owning your behavior and going "Ok, not sounding like joyful yes here, so I'm going to bow out" instead? You chose to participate despite the less than promising sounding start. It's not like you can participate in it without you noticing. "

I din not walk away because she said she just needed some time to get use to me. He had not ever acted so excited about any of the other women he had dated before she said. So I gave her the benefit of doubt. We all experience growing pain, and that is what I thought this was for her.

But like you said " The whole thing is painful and a learning experience for us all."

Thank you for your feedback.
 
It's possible this man and his wife had another rule/agreement: "No emotional involvement, i.e., no falling in love." If they did, they should have warned you about that.
 
Veto power reveals a division of the world into "real people" (the primary couple) and disposable relationship objects. People who can divide the world that way probably shouldn't be pursued as meaningful partners. In polyamory, at least. I guess it's kind of the whole point of monogamy.

I'm so sorry your pain is yet another illustration of this fact, and that you didn't realize what you were dealing with sooner. :(
 
I don’t understand this “Veto” power. I mean how can a person tell someone that they are okay with them having other relationships and then when they find one that seems to work yank it away from them. It is just a power play to make sure that they are still important? I don’t know.

Very sorry for your pain.
I did want to say, please consider this thought, veto power doesn't mean that their partner gets to decide if they date you or not.
It means that THEY CHOOSE to defer to their partners preference.

HE chose to break it off. She didn't "make" him.
He may have made that choices at her request, but it was still his choice.

We are each individually responsible for our own actions, choices and decisions.

I have ended a relationship at my partners request and I have kept a relationship my partner threatened to divorce me if I didn't end.
The bottom line is-in both cases, it came down to ME deciding what was most important TO ME.

It hurts and you have EVERY RIGHT to be hurt.

But don't push the blame on the wife. The blame isn't hers.
She may have been wrong about you etc etc.

But he had the final choice. He made the choice. He didn't choose you and THAT HURTS. You probably need some TLC right now. We all hurt when someone we care for doesn't choose us. It's time to lick your wounds and back up a step, lots of self-care.


As for dating married people (or not married people) with veto agreements; No argument as to why one wouldn't want to-I agree.

I would caution you-that many many many people believe that they do not have those agreements, but when push comes to shove they prioritize the longer relationship over a new one.
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ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS
Even if they say "he made me" or "she made me" the bottom line is that as an individual they are making a choice. It is their choice. It is THEIR responsibility, not their spouses.
 
... veto power doesn't mean that their partner gets to decide if they date you or not.
It means that THEY CHOOSE to defer to their partners preference.

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As for dating married people (or not married people) with veto agreements; No argument as to why one wouldn't want to-I agree.

I would caution you-that many many many people believe that they do not have those agreements, but when push comes to shove they prioritize the longer relationship over a new one.

This is a really great point, LR, and one that is glossed over by our sniffing at "veto agreements" and "veto power" as though they are the same thing. They have the same outcome, but at least an explicit agreement is (usually) up-front and out in the open. But in how many cases where we smugly claim no veto agreements would we really allow veto power in a relationship?

Thanks for that thought nugget.
 
Butch tried to throw a veto at the 6 month mark for Murf and I. I told him he knew where the door is . I do not tolerate ultimatum or hissy fits.
 
Yeah, veto power only extends as far as the "veto-ee" allows it to go. Point well made LR. Couple privilege doesn't vanish just because veto clauses are removed.
 
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