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Hey, wait a minute? Albuquerque, yes. But the whole state? Nah. I doubt it. I'd have to see evidence for that. Santa Fe, where I live, is hardly a place of police brutality above the national average. Go South sixty miles to albuquerque and all bets are off. That city is a bit of a mess.

As a whole, New Mexico is NOT Albuquerque.

I am VERY glad to hear that. Albuquerque is giving NM a bad image like Florida and bath salts, I'm just sayin'. For a while there, I read story after story after story. I was like man...what the hell is happening down there!?

Though I have enjoyed myself the 2 times I've been. They got some neat hotels down in Albuquerque.
 
Though I have enjoyed myself the 2 times I've been. They got some neat hotels down in Albuquerque.

I'm not fond of the city as a whole, though it has some cool things. It's got a dark, depressed vibe -- and there are plenty of problems with drugs and gangs down there.

I "googled" the phrase "bath salts" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_(drug) ... there's a recent news story involving "bath salts" and somebody eating another man's face -- literally. I think I'll stay away from "bath salts".
 
I lived in Albuquerque from 2008 thru 2013 -- and liked it.
 
I'm not fond of the city as a whole, though it has some cool things. It's got a dark, depressed vibe -- and there are plenty of problems with drugs and gangs down there.

I "googled" the phrase "bath salts" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_salts_(drug) ... there's a recent news story involving "bath salts" and somebody eating another man's face -- literally. I think I'll stay away from "bath salts".

Yeah, that happened in Florida. It is, to me, the quintessential illustration of the state of Florida being chock full o' crazy, which in fact IS a stereotype that friends of mine who live there, completely agree with.

Although I believe that the woman who stabbed her husband with a ceramic squirrel for drinking the last beer...that one was South Carolina.
 
So ya'll know that Mr. McAfee was poly, right? He had 7 women living with him in Belize, before his neighbor was killed and he went on the run.

According to him, only 3 of them tried to murder him.

I may not seriously actually WANT him to be President because, well, he's kinda nutty and all (though I think Trump might be worse)...but I am following his activity and commentary with great interest. He's easily the sexiest candidate I've ever laid eyes on, for whatever that is worth (not much really) and I often think that a paranoid dude who hates the government probably represents me better than any career politician ever will.

What a ridiculous race this is.
 
Sexiest presidential candidate ever is a REALLY low bar. (Though for what it's worth I don't disagree although he breaks ALL my "that's a terrible idea, keep at a distance" rules). Seriously with the nutty though (http://www.wired.com/2012/12/ff-john-mcafees-last-stand/ - several years ago but still...)
 
Sexiest presidential candidate ever is a REALLY low bar. (Though for what it's worth I don't disagree although he breaks ALL my "that's a terrible idea, keep at a distance" rules). Seriously with the nutty though (http://www.wired.com/2012/12/ff-john-mcafees-last-stand/ - several years ago but still...)

Yeah, I know. My inner subbie finds his whole dark and dominant demeanor very tasty, but my brain says, NOPE.

I've heard and read all sorts of stories about the last couple of decades of his life. And it's hard to know exactly what is true and what isn't, but there's so much weird stuff that it hardly matters. In my case, the fact that guns make me very uncomfortable (although I do think that having them is kind of a sacred American right and tradition) would be enough of a problem.

So it's totally cool that I'm in merely a position to watch him on screens and imagine him in leather pants with a flogger in his hand... :p Makes political debates a lot more interesting, that's for sure. My quad is all wanting to discuss who made better points and all of this libertarian-anarchist spectrum philosophy, I'm sitting over there imagining that gravelly man-voice saying naughty, naughty things.

Tell me more about privacy, Mr. President. Aw, yeah. :D
 
Apologies -- a brief note on the POTUS thingie.

Sanders has racked up seven consecutive states, which is really pleasant... but this comes after Clinton's seven (including a clean sweep of March 15) & she's odds-on to take five of the next six.

:(

Ah, well. I'm pleased that Sanders has managed to get 1,038 pledged delegates compared to Clinton's 1,289. Heck of a showing, really.

On the Dark Side, Kasich looks to take two of the next six, with Cruz momentarily playing catch-up ball. But that'd only give Kasich half of Rubio's delegation.

As much as I doubt the sanity of Trump's supporters, I'm really starting to get creeped out by the idea of Ted Cruz in the Oval Office; there's no doubt in my mind that he'd quickly move to end same-sex marriage (possibly under the "saving Social Security" guise by not having to pay survivor benefits) & that'd be only the beginning of the Good Ol' Days rollback & "protecting religious liberty" by empowering reactionary Christianity.

And now, back to the show. :D
 
I don't know why there is any thought of who could do what in the oval office or why there is any discussion here at all. Hillary Clinton is going to easily win the presidency. I'm not even a Hillary person, it's just obvious (and has been for a long time) that she will have the overwhelming majority vote of the people and of the delegates. I think that you all just love railing against anything that smacks of Establishment. ;)
 
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I truly cannot fathom why people say they don't like "career politicians." It is a very strange and silly sentiment, to me. I would rather have someone in office who has always yearned to be in government and work for the people, and gained experience in politics and running some kind of governmental entity, whether it is a small town or a big state.

I mean, you don't want to have heart surgery from a doctor who only recently graduated from medical school after 20 years working as an exterminator or boat builder or something. You want someone who worked towards being a good surgeon over time.

As the ex-wife of a Federal employee, I know the Federal government is tricky and has its flaws. My ex, fortunately, is adept at dealing with all the red tape and whatnot, and combined with his high level of skills, he advanced in his career very quickly. I'm all for a career politician who is adept at understanding how government works and how to deal with other politicians, and who worked towards being in the position to run the country over time.
 
I think it's because there is the scent of corruption about a career politician. Looking at it from a basic small scale, imagine a Mayor who was an upstanding citizen that the people said, "Yeah, we all like that guy. And he seems to care about this town. He'd make a good leader to represent our interests." A regular guy with a background of work. As opposed to a dude who has a career in politics, it appears that he's basically spent his whole life figuring out how to eke a paycheck out of a parasitical sort of existance of scammy, greasy, backroom handshakes and cocktail parties. What does that guy know about representing people who work for a living? Sure looks like he's spent his whole life avoiding actual work. Not to mention how so many of them came up from being lawyers...which in theory qualifies them because they know about the law...but what other profession is so reviled?

People crave leaders that they can actually respect. And when you work hard and get little and you're looking at fat cats in suits up on a hill who seem to work little and get everything they want, and are often exposed for various crimes and corruptions along the way...well, it's just rather hard to respect that, isn't it? Americans have a whole concept in our minds of the origins of our nation being these spunky underdogs who stood up to the out-of-touch aristocracy and started a whole new place where a body can build their own legend out of blood, sweat and tears. So I think it follows pretty naturally that a lot of people will distrust the establishment, and scorn those who work to uphold it. If I believe that our government is corrupt, why would I support someone who has spent their life wallowing around and profiting from the corruption?
 
. . . a dude who has a career in politics, it appears that he's basically spent his whole life figuring out how to eke a paycheck out of a parasitical sort of existance of scammy, greasy, backroom handshakes and cocktail parties. What does that guy know about representing people who work for a living? Sure looks like he's spent his whole life avoiding actual work. Not to mention how so many of them came up from being lawyers...which in theory qualifies them because they know about the law...but what other profession is so reviled?
OMG, what a mishmash of stereotypes. I hope that people have more common sense than to believe all that.
 
OMG, what a mishmash of stereotypes. I hope that people have more common sense than to believe all that.

What are people supposed to believe, though? That politicians actually believe the things they tell people in order to get elected? That they think they are working for the greater good? That they are generally altruistic and trying to guide and shape policy for the betterment of our fair nation? That they legitimately represent the interests of the people who elected them?

Or that they are essentially out to preserve their hides and fortunes and power at all cost, say and do whatever it takes to "make it" and keep their careers moving right along. Really always seemed that way to me. I mean the same huge firm was the number one campaign contributor to both of the nominated D and R political candidates last time we had a Presidential election here. Surely they've got a better reason for throwing millions in there backing two horses in the race, than just wanting to participate enthusiastically in the process of electing a leader.

Sorry, nycindie, I don't trust politicians. I don't trust big government, and I don't trust big business either. I sure as hell do not trust big media. Different heads on the same hydra. I'm not saying that doing away with government and instituting anarchy makes any sort of sense, that's silly and impossible, but I think we've got a tar pit of a mess going on and I'm honestly not sure what it's going to take to clean it up to where it does in fact serve the people. Not even sure if it's possible to really fix things at this point, they'll just wind up back where they are again eventually. But that sure doesn't mean that the present state of affairs in DC is squeaky clean and super great.
 
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"Different heads on the same hydra."

Yeah, that's kind of how I look at it.

"It's said that 'power corrupts,' but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power. When they do act, they think of it as service, which has limits. The tyrant, though, seeks mastery, for which he is insatiable, implacable."
-- David Brin, "The Postman"

"We would like to apologise for the way in which politicians are represented in this programme. It was never our intention to imply that politicians are weak-kneed, political time-servers who are more concerned with their personal vendettas and private power struggles than the problems of government. Nor to suggest at any point that they sacrifice their credibility by denying free debate on vital matters in the mistaken impression that party unity comes before the well-being of the people they supposedly represent. Nor to imply at any stage that they are squabbling little toadies without an ounce of concern for the vital social problems of today. Nor indeed do we intend that viewers should consider them as crabby, ulcerous, little self-seeking vermin with furry legs and an excessive addiction to alcohol and certain explicit sexual practices which some people might find offensive. We are sorry if this impression has come across."
-- Monty Python's Flying Circus, the War Against Pornography
 
I just think that it's not practical to lump all politicians into one group and make pronouncements about them as if they aren't also individuals who are different from each other. Just because someone chooses politics as a career doesn't automatically make them a bad person who caters to their own interests, just like someone who chooses law as a career isn't automatically a bad person, or someone who heads a big business, and so on. There are good politicians and bad politicians, just like there are good practitioners of polyamory and bad ones.

It stymies me to think how it could possibly be that someone could be elected to a high political office who didn't pursue it as a career. Or how it's better to have someone inexperienced in politics elected.

Spork, if someone wanted to lump everyone in the kink community together and make blanket statements about them, you'd be okay with that? Since it's okay for you to do that to people in politics, business, law... why not just operate out of these prejudices all the time, with regard to any group of people. Just see it as a group and not a collection of individuals. That is what prejudice is, but I'll bet you're only okay with the prejudices you agree with and will rail against other prejudices you dislike.
 
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I just think that it's not practical to lump all politicians into one group and make pronouncements about them as if they aren't also individuals who are different from each other. Just because someone chooses politics as a career doesn't automatically make them a bad person who caters to their own interests, just like someone who chooses law as a career isn't automatically a bad person, or someone who heads a big business, and so on. There are good politicians and bad politicians, just like there are good practitioners of polyamory and bad ones.

It stymies me to think how it could possibly be that someone could be elected to a high political office who didn't pursue it as a career. Or how it's better to have someone inexperienced in politics elected.

Spork, if someone wanted to lump everyone in the kink community together and make blanket statements about them, you'd be okay with that? Since it's okay for you to do that to people in politics, business, law... why not just operate out of these prejudices all the time, with regard to any group of people. Just see it as a group and not a collection of individuals. That is what prejudice is, but I'll bet you're only okay with the prejudices you agree with and will rail against other prejudices you dislike.

I think that a dose of skepticism is healthy in dealing with those in high positions of power. I think that, much like dealing with tabloids and photographers if you're a movie star, those who sit in positions of power have to realistically be aware that many people will doubt their motives for wanting to do so. And I don't think that the TRULY powerful are in fact that large a group at all. Also, I question how much actual power the President really ought to be wielding all by himself. I might prefer someone who seems good over a crooked expert, if I had to choose.

I think that the consciencious and altruistic among them are, yes, relatively few. I think that there should be term limits on Congress members and I don't think that anyone who is born into wealth, goes to a fancy expensive college that they don't have to pay for, works in the family law firm for a while, then goes on to hold office, represents my concerns or has much knowledge of what in fact my concerns might even be.

Does that paragraph describe all lawyers or all politicians, even career ones? No of course not! And I would not, upon meeting a particular politician, approach them with the assumption that they must be a rich scoundrel in a suit. But in light of the many abuses of power that we have actual documentation of, the many scandals and crimes of people in high positions of power and authority in this country, it boggles MY mind a bit that anyone would suggest we give people with a lot of power the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are basically good folks out to do good work, just blindly trust them as we would any other group of regular folks.

The problem we have is not just the fact that no one politician can ever REALLY represent an accurate set of priorities to please everybody...because each of us as individuals is quite different, no one politician can in fact ever represent ALL of the positions on various things that any one American voter cares about. I could argue for Bernie, and I really do like the guy, but some of my friends will always say, "Well, what about XYZ?" and I do have to kinda agree with what they're saying, sure...but he is still a closer fit for my interests than Trump or Hillary or well, anyone of the GOP.

This is starting to feel personal, and I wonder if you are related or friends with some people who are career politicians. Again...bear in mind that were I to meet one, I WOULD give them the benefit of the doubt in judgment of their character. But when it comes to people I won't be meeting who get to decide matters that stand to affect my quality of life, who want to take thousands of dollars out of my pay every year when I already struggle to get by, who want to enact policies that make it impossible for me to ever consider starting the art business I dream about...people who don't have to deal with any of the problems that keep me up at night, but make rules, without consulting me or anyone, that affect my life, people who perpetually threaten to use their personal religious agendas to interfere with families and healthcare, people who can either let their crony business buddies pollute the world, or pass laws that are "supposed" to prevent that but in fact were designed to promote some wink-wink partnership they've got with their cousin's wind turbine company...people whose children will never in a million YEARS attend a public school but are thrilled to legislate the "standards" of our decidedly SUB-standard educational system... You think I should just assume career politicians and the heads of huge companies, the moguls of Wall Street are all nice, decent folks like anybody else? That there is no corruption?

You know...I don't actually know very many people who do. So if blandly smiling and assuming the best is "common sense"...it isn't very common anywhere I've ever lived.

But again. I imagine that a little bit of long-distance distrust of those of the wealthy and powerful elite, by those of us living paycheck to paycheck, is likely a small price to pay. Don't figure that Country Club Chad's tennis game suffers too much over what the peasants down here think of his daddy the Senator. But rest assured that if ever I meet him, I won't throw things.

By the by, I've got plenty of people close to me who worked for the Federal Government, too. They went overseas and got blown up because those guys in DC told them to. One of them came back so broken mentally that I couldn't be by his side anymore.
 
My point is not anything personal at all. It's just that I keep hearing people complain about "career politicians" and I think it's odd to want someone who doesn't choose politics as a career. I don't understand the logic behind it because I would want someone with experience.

I never said there is no corruption. I just don't like nor see the usefulness in painting everyone in a certain category or career with the same broad brush.

I had a very shitty childhood, grew up in poverty, but I don't begrudge rich folks their money. I don't understand that resentment, either.
 
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I'm gone for months and the first thing I comment on is politics - really?!? :p

I agree with NYCindie: It's "career politicians" that know how to actually get stuff done. The job is 100 time more complex than any of us could even imagine and it's easy to sit and arm chair quarterback from home. That's not to say that I'm still scratching my head how some people keep getting elected term after term.
 
My point is not anything personal at all. It's just that I keep hearing people complain about "career politicians" and I think it's odd to want someone who doesn't choose politics as a career. I don't understand the logic behind it because I would want someone with experience.

I never said there is no corruption. I just don't like nor see the usefulness in painting everyone in a certain category or career with the same broad brush.

I had a very shitty childhood, grew up in poverty, but I don't begrudge rich folks their money. I don't understand that resentment, either.

Sorry I got a bit more obnoxious than I like to be yesterday. It wasn't the best afternoon as a vicious little beast of a sinus headache settled into the space beneath my right eyebrow and kinda turned me into a fussy bitchy sort of a person.

Eck.

Wanted to say that I do not in the slightest begrudge the rich their money, as a concept on its face. When a person has earned greath wealth for making meaninful contributions to society, I hold them in the highest esteem. It's just that the services that I place value on, and those that we as a culture reward with great wealth, are two very different things. It makes me angry that sports stars and pop singers and yes, politicians, make more than teachers. I want a better alignment between money and the value of money, between the wealth that people enjoy and the contributions they made to get it. And I am aware in detail of many scams at a municipal level that led to riches for some really corrupt shmoozers who deserved jail, if anything. I find that...unpleasant. And when a person...any person...that I actually meet, seems to have never suffered much hardship of any sort, seems to bear no scars, I just cannot take them seriously at all. I went on a first date with a younger guy and I disliked him intensely because the most difficult thing (according to him) that he had ever suffered was his girlfriend of 2 years breaking up with him.

"Go hungry so that your family can eat, my friend, and get back to me." I thought. But I said nothing. However, I never saw him again. He went from a comfortable home to his parents paying for his degree, to a high earning job...he did "all the right things." But he just seemed to utterly lack depth of character to someone like me. We had no common ground. I don't think he could ever understand what I have gained, and the sense of strength and empowerment that I bear, from having had the experiences I have had.

Now you take someone like that, who purports to in some way relate to people who live "boots on the ground" so to speak...who claims to represent us enough to pass directives that will affect our lives... And that is where my doubts and trust issues creep in all over the place. That's why I'm kind of libertarian-ish. Trust issues.

And one last point (sorry I'm so damn long winded, this is why I don't Twitter lol)...I wish that there were more dignity in politics. As entertaining as it all might be, I get a bit disgusted by the sex scandals, the stories about how this guy made a dick reference and that guy ate his boogers during a debate, and I think to myself...this is the person we're considering to represent us to the rest of the world? Really? Come on!
 
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