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Well yeah.

I mean...I have found, at least in person, that I CAN influence opinions. But only if I'm able to genuinely reach others. And that doesn't happen, for instance, if you come at some stranger online or elsewhere, and PUSH against their walls. They just push back. There isn't a lot of point in that.

In person, with people who know me and I know them...if we're all comfortable and no one feels threatened, I've expressed what I think, and why, and where I come from, and what works for me...and I connect well enough that we can find some common place to really exchange ideas. I much prefer to influence by example than by confrontation. Mostly because I just haven't found much success in confrontation. It doesn't seem to work, not in any real sense.

Take my friend Mark. I like Mark. Mark is a pretty smart guy. But he is insufferable if you disagree. He's got a PhD and a nice job and a nice house, BUT inside of him, there is a man filled with anxiety and stress and fragility. And he argues his every position all the more stubbornly because of it. It is SO IMPORTANT for him to be right and others to be wrong, to be able to stand his ground and say, "No, you're wrong. You're just upset because you're wrong. Dear, trust me, I have a PhD. You're wrong." And he does not understand that this attitude only pushes people away because it's disrespectful. No one gives a damn if you have a PhD. I certainly don't. I might stop arguing, because I see that it's a waste of time, but if I think I'm right, nothing he can possibly say will change my mind about whatever the subject may be. NOTHING. The closest we'll get is, "OK whatever dude" and me quietly thinking that he is an asshole....of course I don't really think that, because I see through it and I know that the place he argues from is actually an internal weakness.

This stuff, in fact, makes him unbelievably easy to manipulate. I've done it. Stroke his ego just the right way, he'll do anything you want.

I kind of feel sorry for him, honestly. He is book smart, but he's not people smart.

But anyhow, yeah I appreciate that Ghandi reference. I really do believe that the Good and the Bad have always been there and always will. Life is always going to be a mixed bag...and we can count our blessings or wallow in our sorrows, we get to make that choice. I prefer to give weight in my world-bubble, to the positive, when I can. Even now.

...................

So. Latest shenanigans about Trump, from the entertaining world of Facebook. Did Trump hire Russian prostitutes to pee on a bed? You know if he had an interest in golden showers, so long as everybody was consenting, this would probably be the very least of my cares about him. And everyone's going to cluck and squawk and feathers are in the air...and here I am like, "how is this worse than him talking about sexually assaulting a woman who has already clearly NOT consented and shot him down...and how is this worse than him making suggestive comments to a CHILD on an escalator, and how is this worse than a dozen other things I've heard him say??"

Of possibly more concern, a friend of mine mentioned that apparently Trump has said that "all" hotel rooms are actually fitted with tiny cameras. And said friend pointed out that this is concerning, coming from the man who has made his name and wealth from building hotels...

Another friend mentioned that he felt that Melania looks like a Terminator, bodyguarding Trump about and scanning the environment with dead, robotic eyes, for signs of danger. I had to laugh at that because in fact, looking at her, I can really picture it.
 
FallenAngelina said:
If "Did Not Vote" had been a candidate in 2016, it would have won by a landslide. Just interesting.
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It would have turned out quite differently had Bernie Sanders been the nominee. A lot more folks left of center would have turned out for him, and, I think, he'd be our president today.

I believe Democratic Party insiders conspired to defeat Sanders.
 
Sanders would have been a great President. Oh well ...
 
You all are in the bargaining stage right now.

There really is no way to know if Sanders would have fared better. Many see him as a doddering old fool. Others see him as a raging communist. The righties are only kind to him now because he did not get the nomination. They used him to drive a wedge into the Democratic Party. They would have torn him apart if he did get the nomination.
 
Bait-and-stomp

Some words on how to avoid an unwanted game of Bait-&-Stomp:

The game of bait-and-stomp bears only a vague similarity to the game of bait-and-switch
(defined here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch ).

In the game of bait-and-stomp there is the one doing the stomping and the one being baited into a game involving being stomped upon. You may be reading here in an effort to learn how not to be stomped upon. Unfortunately, the first stomping may not be avoidable. Stompers are looking for victims to stomp upon, but they may be unconscious of their own stomping habits. Sometimes they deliberately set out stomping bait, consciously. But just as often they see themselves as poor, innocent victims of the oppressive and abusive ways of others. In either case, they are needing to stomp on somebody. It provides them with the illusion of being better, kinder, more innocent and superior to others -- who will be their victims in their game of Stomp.

Stompers either sincerely -- albeit deludedly -- believe they are the victims of their game of bait and stomp or they are the very worst kind of baiter-stompers: the ones who "get off" on hurting others while claiming to be the victim. In either case, you are at risk of being stomped upon, usually in the form of verbal rather than physical violence.

In the game of bait and stomp, be aware that the stomper's principal game rule is never to acknowledge that the verbal violence is coming from him or her. The essence of the game is that the stomper is always the victim of the one being stomped upon. He or she does this by way of a clever little manipulation: He or she is the sole designer and definer of the rules of the game, which are always at least a little absurd. That the game rules are soley rigged against the stompee by the stomper is, in this game, not open to discussion by the stompee. It is the Stomper who alone makes the rules of the game. This is part of the absurdity of the game, which stomper always wins. That's the first rule of the game: You Will Be Stomped.

Here's how to opt out of the game.

Step 1. Get Stomped.

Step 2. Recognize that you're dealing with a stomper playing a game of bait-and-stomp.

Step 3. Disengage from the situation by dropping the bait. Under no circumstances are you to latch onto the bait and continue the game -- unless of course you enjoy being verbally stomped by a bully who claims and pretends to be a victim.

Remember main rule the rule of the game. The victimizer has either a conscious or unconscious need to play victim, and is exceedingly unlikely to give up this game of sole victimhood. He or she cannot allow himself or others to notice or acknowledge this game rule by noticing or acknowledging their nifty little game of Bait-&-Stomp.

So remember! Always drop the bait and refuse to play bait-and-stomp. :)
 
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I am having a lovely giggle right now.

Just found out (because I'm on Godiva chocolate's email spam list, what can I say, I love them...and they are promoting a Chinese New Year collection right now) that it is the "Year of the Rooster."

So, the Great Orange Menace becomes our prezzy during the Year...of the..."Rooster"...

*snort*

Could this whole fucking thing possibly be more of a joke??
 
Oh no...

In the world of sex, politics, and uptight moral policing...

This!! Goddamnit, this is exactly what I bitch about. BIG ANYTHING, can NOT be trusted. No, my Libertarian and Conservative friends, your shiny golden "Almighty Free Market" isn't immune to corruption or the magical solution to all the things, it's no better in its own way than big government, because SAME MONSTER DIFFERENT APPENDAGE.

<insert stream of invective>

So yeah, who cares if a country's laws can't shut down a website like Fetlife. The credit card companies can. Whoever runs the GLOBAL monstrosity of the mere handful of big credit card companies...VISA, MasterCard, AMEX, Discover...has the power to censor speech, and dictate your morality now. If they decide they don't like adult content, guess what?

So John, the guy in charge of Fetlife, has had to remove a whole heap of stuff to try and get the most objectionable of content under control. Gone are all things consensual nonconsent, including erotic hypnosis, which was an interest of another forum member here and a particular specialty of a very dear friend of mine in my local community. Gone are all references to blood or cutting. Ageplay possibly as well, or if it's not gone it will be shortly.

Thing is...all of the steps John's taking to try and save the site, still may not be enough, even with excellent legal representation AND partnering with international sexual freedom orgs.

And one of the issues that he cited? With Republicans taking over all branches of government, there is talk of anti obscenity laws not only coming back, but booming. Frankly, I think that shockingly, despite the ubiquitousness of porn, it's just possible that it might be tightly regulated or even banned by our government in the next few years. The sex industry might be in real trouble soon.

And you know? I have mixed feelings about that. I'm not happy about fetlife being restricted, let alone if it were lost. I love fetlife. But as for porn...well I've talked about my personal discomforts but those, I don't feel it's fair for them to play a part in my thinking about this. I hate the thought that there could be bans or laws restricting people's freedoms of expression in this way. It feels like an outrage. But a teeny tiny part of me hopes it could happen for one and only one reason...I know a few men who voted trump, and who are proud to be Republican supporters, who would sure hate to lose access to porn, and I'd LOVE to be able to ask, "Are ya happy now? Is America great again yet? Why don't you go jerk it to a picture of some nice apple pie, you big idiot??" I'd love to be able to laugh at them, specifically.

But generally speaking I'm kind of horrified right now.

Both at the realization that a few giant companies hold so much power in today's day and age (how was that not so much more obvious to me?) and at the idea that our government might go all Morality Squad on us...
 
Yep. trump signed a pledge to appoint an Attorney General who would fight internet porn as a "TOP PRIORITY" American health risk, because "think of the children" and fully cooperate with his efforts.

God, if this government gets rid of internet porn I swear I am going to experience smug hysterical hilarity the likes of which I have not experienced before. I mean, for all the guys who DIDN'T vote for von clownstick, but will get screwed (or not) by this situation too, I'm really sorry. You're a large body of collateral damage casualties in this, and man I feel bad for ya.

But I'm still gonna be laughing at...well, at my ex. In particular. And a few other dudes I know who were sure that bigly mcbraggadocious was their very own god of tits and wine...
 
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This!! Goddamnit, this is exactly what I bitch about. BIG ANYTHING, can NOT be trusted. No, my Libertarian and Conservative friends, your shiny golden "Almighty Free Market" isn't immune to corruption or the magical solution to all the things, it's no better in its own way than big government, because SAME MONSTER DIFFERENT APPENDAGE.
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Bingo! Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
 
How can Fetlife get rid of blood and survive? There are too many sadists and masochists who find pleasure in impact/sensation play extreme enough to draw blood.

I like porn. OK, I'm gender queer. Does that make me man enough to enjoy porn, Spork? I like looking at sexy pix of women and men doing kinky things and enjoying fucking and stuff. I like Fetlife for that because it's mostly amateur, not staged scripts performed by professional actors.

I've also read all of de Sade. His characters do things that are not allowed on Fetlife.

Anyway, I had to go to FL to check on my favorite extreme masochist bimbo to make sure her pix were still up. They are. Whew.
 
Spork said:
Yep. trump signed a pledge to appoint an Attorney General who would fight internet porn as a "TOP PRIORITY" American health risk, because "think of the children" and fully cooperate with his efforts.
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Can you post a link to articles that reference this? I'm asking not to be snarky but because this is a fascinating turn of events. Are you referring to Jeff Sessions? Do you possibly have quotes?
 
We had a massive, rather giant turn out for the Women's march here in Santa Fe, and also in nearby Albuquerque... and all over the country... and even the world. I wonder if there has ever been such a large single day of protest / demonstration in this country.
 
Magdlyn said:
How can Fetlife get rid of blood and survive? There are too many sadists and masochists who find pleasure in impact/sensation play extreme enough to draw blood.

I like porn. OK, I'm gender queer. Does that make me man enough to enjoy porn, Spork? I like looking at sexy pix of women and men doing kinky things and enjoying fucking and stuff. I like Fetlife for that because it's mostly amateur, not staged scripts performed by professional actors.

I've also read all of de Sade. His characters do things that are not allowed on Fetlife.

Anyway, I had to go to FL to check on my favorite extreme masochist bimbo to make sure her pix were still up. They are. Whew.
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Go to Fetlife announcements and read about the changes, it's the last few posts. They aren't done scrubbing stuff but they are working on it.

And look, I know some women like porn, too. Fire does! We talked about it. That was part of my problem, I feel weird, isolated, like I'm failing to be sex positive as I want to be, like a prude. Because when I think about TRYING to enjoy porn, I get a painful feeling right in my stomach and want to cry, sometimes. WHY?? I'm trying to work that out. Clearly I've got some issues. They are my issues. I feel like I tracked down every thought process as far as I could, mostly trying to debunk and defuse them.

Now it is down to my hope that Zen and I can do things that help me heal.

Mostly here though, my thing was that MY ISSUES, don't come into my take on this, I'm sick to fucking death of all the trumpers I know calling anybody who wouldn't do a coy Betty Boop giggle at being sexually assaulted, a big crybaby loser mc loser face butt hurt sore baby tantrum in a diaper haha

That is what my facebook has featured from the few I didn't get blocked. My ex talking about snowflakes and safe spaces mockingly like he isn't one, hiding in one. These people are acting like schoolyard bullies for fucks sakes. So would I laugh if they got a little bit of come-uppance? Oh you bet your ass I would. I would so much rather be wrong and have this government accomplish nothing, or next to nothing. But I doubt we will be so lucky.

I'm gonna be really upset if we lose fetlife though. But I am confident that any of this shit if it does happen, will be undone in time.

https://fetlife.com/groups/311

https://fetlife.com/users/338073/posts/4241184

https://www.engadget.com/2015/12/02/paypal-square-and-big-bankings-war-on-the-sex-industry/

https://fetlife.com/users/93955/posts/4239948

http://enough.org/objects/EIE-prespledge-signedtrump.pdf

^ The pledge Trump signed

https://fetlife.com/users/24143/posts/4237275

Several of these are fetlife folks explaining their position on the issue but they are well written and articulate and worth a read in my opinion...but you'll likely have to be signed into fetlife to see them, of course.
 
Thanks for the links, Spork.

No drugs? No 420 and Kinky anymore?

No "incest" meaning no consensual babygirl/Daddy stuff? Or ANR?

No race play? There are so many there into the BBC and things related. Is that out now?

Mind boggling. Will be reading the rest of the links as I can!
 
One thing that was notable to me, is in the "pledge" that trump signed, a site was specifically mentioned: backpage

Now, I've never used it but I've heard of it. I guess it's where advertising for fetish workers and such would be found, going back before fetlife? Anyhow, I know that the pro Domme that I am very fond of up in Denver who runs one of the clubs up there, she posted not very long ago a huge rant on Facebook about how backpage just VANISHED and people who paid for like an annual fee for advertising, won't be getting their money back. She runs a tight budget to keep her life and business afloat, and can't afford to throw money away.

I just went and looked, well the site was not shut down but all adult services are now marked CENSORED and all content is gone. So that's what happened...

The "censored" page message:

http://denver.backpage.com/Domination/classifieds/Censored?category=2084479

Here is more detail on the situation:

http://www.backpage.com/classifieds/Media


EDIT: As I'm reading the stuff, a thought occurs to me... backpage was used by detectives as a means to track down and rescue exploited children. But the "pledge" paints it in the opposite light as a tool used by exploiters. Makes me wonder...which is it, more? We have had a LOT of stories in the last few years here in Colorado Springs of them busting human trafficking rings. And frankly when I ask myself, "who is buying children?" I'm always thinking....who has money and who can get away with it? Much as the Marquis wrote about, and I think it was always part of his point in writing what he did (not just his own prurient fapfic) that the very rich and powerful can pretty much get away with any depravity that they please, as criminal as you like. I personally believe that he was something of an anarchist, given his politics during the Revolution, and was trying to stir people to be horrified of the elite and take them down...maybe that is odd because he was one of the elite, and maybe it's not so odd at all. Maybe he'd seen some things.

So anyhow. If our own depraved elite, which we have already heard scandals about involving Jeffrey Epstein's parties, attended by trump and Clinton and who knows who else, are fairly often into children themselves and involved in that trade, they'd have their own conduits but they don't want the extent or scope of these operations, or key traffickers they do business with, let alone their own vulnerability should the public learn what they're up to, exposed in the light of day. They would want traffickers further underground, not using a site that any bozo detective can get leads from and bust them.

Easy to say "for the children" but I have never, ever, suspected the suits of being so altruistic.
 
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I think my dom's profile was a casualty of all this crap going on with Fetlife. I knew that his profile had a lot of kinks listed about age play, so I looked for it and his profile isn't on fet anymore. I haven't had a chance to ask him about it yet but since the newest post talks about how they deleted inactive profiles that didn't fit the new guidelines and he's not particularly active on fet, my guess is that the caretakers deleted his profile.

Edit: yeah, his profile was deleted by fet. It didn’t even have much in it, a few pictures of his face and a bunch of fetishes selected from the existing ones you can choose. I don't think he had even typed anything in his profile. So apparently being inactive and having fetishes, selected from their list even, that are no longer allowed is enough to get your profile deleted. From the comments I read, if you're active and fall into that category, they delete the information on your profile but don't delete the account.
 
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Hannahfluke said:
I think my dom's profile was a casualty of all this crap going on with Fetlife.
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I encourage you to read the posts from the site owner in announcements. He's written several and they well explain his intentions, constraints and reasons for eliminating things in efforts to protect the ongoing overall community there.
 
Spork said:
One thing that was notable to me, is in the "pledge" that trump signed, a site was specifically mentioned: backpage

Now, I've never used it but I've heard of it. I guess it's where advertising for fetish workers and such would be found, going back before fetlife? Anyhow, I know that the pro Domme that I am very fond of up in Denver who runs one of the clubs up there, she posted not very long ago a huge rant on Facebook about how backpage just VANISHED and people who paid for like an annual fee for advertising, won't be getting their money back. She runs a tight budget to keep her life and business afloat, and can't afford to throw money away.

I just went and looked, well the site was not shut down but all adult services are now marked CENSORED and all content is gone. So that's what happened...

The "censored" page message:

http://denver.backpage.com/Domination/classifieds/Censored?category=2084479

Here is more detail on the situation:

http://www.backpage.com/classifieds/Media


EDIT: As I'm reading the stuff, a thought occurs to me... backpage was used by detectives as a means to track down and rescue exploited children. But the "pledge" paints it in the opposite light as a tool used by exploiters. Makes me wonder...which is it, more? We have had a LOT of stories in the last few years here in Colorado Springs of them busting human trafficking rings. And frankly when I ask myself, "who is buying children?" I'm always thinking....who has money and who can get away with it? Much as the Marquis wrote about, and I think it was always part of his point in writing what he did (not just his own prurient fapfic) that the very rich and powerful can pretty much get away with any depravity that they please, as criminal as you like. I personally believe that he was something of an anarchist, given his politics during the Revolution, and was trying to stir people to be horrified of the elite and take them down...maybe that is odd because he was one of the elite, and maybe it's not so odd at all. Maybe he'd seen some things.

So anyhow. If our own depraved elite, which we have already heard scandals about involving Jeffrey Epstein's parties, attended by trump and Clinton and who knows who else, are fairly often into children themselves and involved in that trade, they'd have their own conduits but they don't want the extent or scope of these operations, or key traffickers they do business with, let alone their own vulnerability should the public learn what they're up to, exposed in the light of day. They would want traffickers further underground, not using a site that any bozo detective can get leads from and bust them.

Easy to say "for the children" but I have never, ever, suspected the suits of being so altruistic.
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Yup, good point about de Sade exposing how the very rich and powerful (in his day, nobility and the clergy) can do whatever the hell they like, sexually, to whoever they want. They not only exploit street children and low income women, they can even kidnap young daughters of the nobility and use, abuse and even kill them with impunity. And then fuck the corpse.

The irony is not lost on me that Mr Grab the Pussies Golden Showers Trump, who often tells preadolescent girls how he will be fucking them in 10 years, or in the case of my friend, when she was 11, telling her father to make her wear tighter pants so she'd look more attractive, is seeking to limit others' access to porn. He is just trying to protect his own channels of acquiring "women" (children of whatever gender).

Any man that would go on the radio and tell a show host he'd love to fuck his own daughter, is capable of unbelievable depravity. Obviously any man who'd tell another how he can do anything he wants to women because he is a star, has and will continue to do so, and will want to do all he can to keep his traffickers in business. To get those "women of liberal social standards," as Putin called Russian sex workers, addending they are the best in the world.

God, it makes you laugh as you cry, almost, doesn't it?

Now, I am not putting down watersports if that's anyone's kink. Whatever, consenting adults, no harm. Mr Golden Tower Golden Toilets Golden Hair... no wonder he's into golden showers as well. I don't think of it as a perversion. Some people like rollercoasters, some like to swallow cum, some like to drink pee. What bugs is the utter hypocrisy of Trump and other lawmakers who are kinky, or closeted gay, or whatever, persecuting others who are more out about being gay or kinky.

And of course, it IS about protecting children for most of us. But not for Mr I'd Fuck My Daughter Trump.

God bless America.
 
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Yup, good point about de Sade exposing how the very rich and powerful (in his day, nobility and the clergy) can do whatever the hell they like, sexually, to whoever they want. They not only exploit street children and low income women, they can even kidnap young daughters of the nobility and use, abuse and even kill them with impunity. And then fuck the corpse.

The irony is not lost on me that Mr Grab the Pussies Golden Showers Trump, who often tells preadolescent girls how he will be fucking them in 10 years, or in the case of my friend, when she was 11, telling her father to make her wear tighter pants so she'd look more attractive, is seeking to limit others' access to porn. He is just trying to protect his own channels of acquiring "women" (children of whatever gender).

Any man that would go on the radio and tell a show host he'd love to fuck his own daughter, is capable of unbelievable depravity. Obviously any man who'd tell another how he can do anything he wants to women because he is a star, has and will continue to do so, and will want to do all he can to keep his traffickers in business. To get those "women of liberal social standards," as Putin called Russian sex workers, addending they are the best in the world.

God, it makes you laugh as you cry, almost, doesn't it?

Now, I am not putting down watersports if that's anyone's kink. Whatever, consenting adults, no harm. Mr Golden Tower Golden Toilets Golden Hair... no wonder he's into golden showers as well. I don't think of it as a perversion. Some people like rollercoasters, some like to swallow cum, some like to drink pee. What bugs is the utter hypocrisy of Trump and other lawmakers who are kinky, or closeted gay, or whatever, persecuting others who are more out about being gay or kinky.

And of course, it IS about protecting children for most of us. But not for Mr I'd Fuck My Daughter Trump.

God bless America.
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Yeah. I'm trying to use humor to cope. The joke that this whole fracas has become.... "A bishop, a president, a duke and a banker walk into a bar..."

Or we could start calling trump, Monsieur le President de Curval...and hope someone gets the reference...?

Just saw another comment thread on the Facebook, this time they were talking about his lying constantly, and someone was arguing that ALL politicians lie constantly. OK and you know, the sort of lying that most oily DC lizardfolk spout constantly is one thing. The problem with trumpo's lies is that it's a lot more like the gaslighting you get in an abusive relationship with a narcissist. Like I seriously feel that no sooner did I personally escape an abusive marriage, did my COUNTRY, get INTO one...and I'm like seriously you guys, really?? We're doing this now? He doesn't merely lie to cover up his own scandals or to get votes, the man denies reality and expects to be able to make up an alternate reality and that everyone will accept it because he is powerful like that. (And if you don't, you're a whiny emotional loser, you must be having your crazy time of the month huh? Blood coming out of your wherever? Or better yet, those trying to tell the truth are VICTIMIZING THE ABUSER!!)

Don't they do this in China? Is that what we're trying to be now?
 
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