How do you show your seriousness?

Neither of us were actively looking for anything when we met through an old friend of mine, ( She invited me to her 40th birthday, where I met my partner.)

So we met physically first, spoke about 20 hours a day for a week...

Is this a typo? 20 hours a day of talking for a week?
I went back down to visit him, two weeks later he came to see me. It's almost weekly we see each other...

Seeing him almost weekly is pretty good for having 5-6 hours of travel in between. Does he come to see you? For one overnight or longer? Does your 13 year old mind the intrusion of mom's bf in the house once a week? I assume you don't travel to him, if you're a single mom, unless you have weekends free due to custody arrangements or a local grandparent or something.
 
I don't do traditional symbols to demonstrate "seriousness", those symbols only have the power they are given and that can be added or removed without warning or effort.



What *is* meaningful is how we treat one another. That, to me, is how a person can reliably know where they stand with someone else.

Some basic concepts for showing "seriousness":

Follow through on plans.
Express your expectations clearly.
Set your personal boundaries and stick to them.
Take responsibility for your feelings.
Do not take responsibility for their feelings.
Be present, be kind.​

Not bad advice.

Relationships (today) are not principally about securing future wants or expectations through the authority of rules, regulations, expectations or contracts. Once I say this I've already shaken the "foundations" most people in our culture prefer. So if you prefer another path, good luck to you.

Healthy relationships are rooted in something as simple as "I want to be with you," and nothing more. Rules and regs are a thing of the past. Commitment is to "Let's do our very best and hope for the best."

The shift in the paradigm of "love" is behind us, not ahead. Love has nothing to do with authority or "commitment" in relation to authority. It's now about "Do we want to be together?" Yes? Yes! Oh, gawed, how wonderful!

It's not about property or about power, domination, control..., none of the stuff which was the "glue" of relationships in the past. Today, relating is about freedom. If you want to hold someone to a contract or to ... anything..., it won't work.

The times, they keep a'chagin'.
 
Is this a typo? 20 hours a day of talking for a week?


Seeing him almost weekly is pretty good for having 5-6 hours of travel in between. Does he come to see you? For one overnight or longer? Does your 13 year old mind the intrusion of mom's bf in the house once a week? I assume you don't travel to him, if you're a single mom, unless you have weekends free due to custody arrangements or a local grandparent or something.

No, no typo there apart from it should say up to.. We would literally be on the phone constantly chatting or messaging and barely sleeping, for the first week lol, then We remebered we aren't exactly spring chickens and the lack of sleep was an issue, not for me as I'm an insomniac. The NRE was so intense we literally couldn't go more than a few hours with no contact. We chatted about everything and anything. It was a very intense time in a good way.

It has settled down now, still loads of contact but not to that extreme. We try our hardest to see each other as often as we can. Theres a 3 week gap at the moment due to other commitments. It feels like forever to wait!
 
Not bad advice.

Relationships (today) are not principally about securing future wants or expectations through the authority of rules, regulations, expectations or contracts. Once I say this I've already shaken the "foundations" most people in our culture prefer. So if you prefer another path, good luck to you.

Healthy relationships are rooted in something as simple as "I want to be with you," and nothing more. Rules and regs are a thing of the past. Commitment is to "Let's do our very best and hope for the best."

The shift in the paradigm of "love" is behind us, not ahead. Love has nothing to do with authority or "commitment" in relation to authority. It's now about "Do we want to be together?" Yes? Yes! Oh, gawed, how wonderful!

It's not about property or about power, domination, control..., none of the stuff which was the "glue" of relationships in the past. Today, relating is about freedom. If you want to hold someone to a contract or to ... anything..., it won't work.

The times, they keep a'chagin'.


I agree, it was good advice.
Personally my partner and I don't like the concept of an actual contract within our relationship. We have had many lenghty discussions about the rules and our boundaries but don't feel it necessary to actually write them down or makea formal contract. Contracts in the form of "official" ceremonies are not out of the question but not something we want uet, obviously far too early for that.

There is definitely a change in relationships, less of the men work women keep house ttpe and more of the everyone is equal.

I only really call my partner my primary to illustrate he is my main partner. Well my only one for now. It is not so that he and I can have power over any new partner's either of us may find.
 
All i said was I suppose subconsciously I must want some symbol of our seriousness, but I meant in the future...the very distant future. I mean sure I hope he is 'the one' but it is far too early for anything serious like that.
Since you are new to poly, I'll give you another not asked for piece of advice, I hope you don't mind :eek:
I'll be talking very subjectively from personal experience.

Please be very careful about this sentiment. I know you wrote 'the one' in quotation marks and are deep in NRE, but it's still a red-ish flag for me.

He's a married man. You, at this point of time, are basically his secondary. You are talking about future commitment, but have you actually considered the practicalities? Is he going to be 'the one' and seeing you once a week?

Now, it's a little jumping the gun to plan the development of the relationship, but I'll just tell you about my situation a little. I fell in love with Idealist 3 years ago and what he considered first a bdsm play relationship and me a likely quick affair turned pretty serious over the first year, with at least 2 dates a week and daily communication. The dynamics that ensued, and might likely ensue in your case, is very similar to a traditionally monogamous man having a lover on the side, except there is no secrecy. Although I try hard to respect his live-in partner, a wish has developed to have him for myself. For him, he also wishes to have me close, to live with me, to commit in the more traditional sense. But he doesn't want to lose Meta too (and I can't live with her, even if she were open to it). I don't think he's capable of deciding between us even if I gave that ultimatum - again, like a (lover)-(married man)-(wife) dynamics. The insecurity if and how the relationship will continue, whether I want children and how to do that (at least you've got this part cleared up), and that I'll be probably the one that will have to break up has been plaguing me quite a bit over the years. This can be a huge source of fear.

We're currently in therapy and trying to figure out if there is a way forward for us or not. Love can be precarious.
I guess what I want to say is, don't underestimate the need to live together, share downtime, entwine your lives. It only becomes stronger with time.

With all this, I don't want to imply that poly relationships can't be committed and functional. There are several members here, who have "two husbands" (or maybe two wives, although I don't remember any now), and cohabitate or go back and forth between two households, who are pretty happy with their arrangements. There are others, who are more solo and do not wish to cohabitate.

What I urge you to do, is to think about if you can and want to handle poly, and treat that idea independently of who your current partner is, how great or loving he is. Do you know if you are capable of having multiple love relationships yourself? Will you be happy with having 'half a men', or even less then, if he perhaps can only spend one night a week with you? Can you do a reframe towards building your life more independently, perhaps in the 'solo poly' way? Can you work around your need for 'the one'? Is any of the options available (taking as a fact that he will keep his wife) good and healthy for you? Because if not? Monogamy is probably a better fit.

My relationship has brought me much happiness and growth, but also an incredible amount of pain and fear. I wish you a smoother sail.
 
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I guess what I want to say is, don't underestimate the need to live together, share downtime, entwine your lives. It only becomes stronger with time.

With all this, I don't want to imply that poly relationships can't be committed and functional. There are several members here, who have "two husbands" (or maybe two wives, although I don't remember any now), and cohabitate or go back and forth between two households, who are pretty happy with their arrangements. There are others, who are more solo and do not wish to cohabitate.
Yes, this. I am one of the members having "two husbands" - me and my two guys cohabitate and co-own a house. For me personally, it is very important to be able to share my everyday life with my partners. I absolutely love this arrangement.

Other people are more solo and what suits me would be a nightmare for them. My ex-bf was one of those people, and our needs did not match. I wanted a more committed and co-mingled relationship and I think he felt suffocated by it - even though I already had two nesting partners and he was the one "on the side".

Learn to know yourself, your wants and needs and then make your relationship choices accordingly!
 
I have two husbands and the three of us cohabitate. We just bought a house together in January.

My husband DarkKnight and I have that official marriage paperwork, and I changed my last name when we legally married. Traditional, in every sense.

My husband PunkRock and I had a handfasting in another state (Maryland actually considers a ceremony bigamy, even without paperwork filed!) and I changed my middle name with a court order a year later, to his last name.

The three of us co-mingle finances and we share a residence. Our long term plans for retirement and death have been discussed, and we have an official meeting at least once a year to make sure we are all still interested in the same goals. Our life insurance is split equally, and I am the payee on both guys' 401(k) and savings accounts. We plan vacations and trips together, even if one of my husbands might not be going.

We are raising our six cats together. Lololol My 3 children were adopted as older kids and though they are all adults now, they treat both of my husbands as father figures, and spend time with them, ask for advice, etc.
 
I'm another in the co-primary co-habitating camp...

A long time ago someone asked about "commitment" in a poly relationship - this was my reply.

Symbols and traditions carry different weights for different people. I like rings. On my left (traditional) hand I wear my original wedding band and engagement ring. On my right (alternative) hand I wear my husbands wedding ring and Kinekt gear ring from Dude. MrS has a tattoo of his wedding band. Dude will likely get a custom-made piece of jewelry when he decides what he wants.

The wedding ceremony that MrS and I had (almost 21 years ago:eek:) was beautiful and perfect for my 22 year old young bride self. But that ceremony was for me (and my family) and MrS went along with it because that is what I desired at the time, even though it wasn't something that he needed for himself. (I wrote about this in my Journey blog so I won't repeat the whys and wherefores here.)

Now? My middle-aged fat and happy self doesn't need the same things. They CHOOSE, every single fucking day, to stay with me and vice versa - THAT is the commitment and seriousness that I value now.
 
I really appreciate all the input and advice from everyone. Guess I hadn't given much thought that far ahead.
Obviously there is no option of him living with me full time. No option of me being added into his and his wife's home.

I know this was not anyone's intentions but now I kinda feel like I've hit a brick wall. I'm a tad confused about where this relationship CAN go, in the future. I guess it can all be worked out and the relationship is still in the very early days, but I am the sort of person that thinks ahead a lot and likes to vaguely know where things are heading.

Something for a discussion with him sometime. In the future lol.

Yes I am new to being poly too, but I always had thoughts of open relationships, just i never voiced them as I wanted it to be about love not sex, not knowing that the correct term was poly, it was only when I met my partner and looked into it (a lot) I realised that the term for what i felt was poly. I have had so much to look inside myself for, soul searching, and many things to figure out, as I am sure everyone does being poly wether you are entering your first or twenty first relationship. But I feel all of that has really made me understand myself well. Better than ever before.

I honestly appreciate everyone's advice, it's such a help to hear how other people deal with issues etc, and shows me things I never thought of.

What I have said on a diff thread is that it is not me bringing up discussions of the two of us having a serious and commited relationship but him. I can't help but stop and spare a thought for his wife when he says these things, and of course what it would mean for me and him.

Nobody said it was going to be easy... but it will be worth it... i think that is how the saying goes!
 
I'm another in the co-primary co-habitating camp...

A long time ago someone asked about "commitment" in a poly relationship - this was my reply.

Symbols and traditions carry different weights for different people. I like rings. On my left (traditional) hand I wear my original wedding band and engagement ring. On my right (alternative) hand I wear my husbands wedding ring and Kinekt gear ring from Dude. MrS has a tattoo of his wedding band. Dude will likely get a custom-made piece of jewelry when he decides what he wants.

The wedding ceremony that MrS and I had (almost 21 years ago:eek:) was beautiful and perfect for my 22 year old young bride self. But that ceremony was for me (and my family) and MrS went along with it because that is what I desired at the time, even though it wasn't something that he needed for himself. (I wrote about this in my Journey blog so I won't repeat the whys and wherefores here.)

Now? My middle-aged fat and happy self doesn't need the same things. They CHOOSE, every single fucking day, to stay with me and vice versa - THAT is the commitment and seriousness that I value now.


I will definitely take a look at the thread you linked to and your blog threads too.
 
Yes I am new to being poly too, but I always had thoughts of open relationships, just i never voiced them as I wanted it to be about love not sex, not knowing that the correct term was poly, it was only when I met my partner and looked into it (a lot) I realised that the term for what i felt was poly. I have had so much to look inside myself for, soul searching, and many things to figure out, as I am sure everyone does being poly wether you are entering your first or twenty first relationship. But I feel all of that has really made me understand myself well. Better than ever before.
Sounds like a great starting point! :)
Good to know that you've always had poly inclinations, perhaps actively wanted poly in your life. It wasn't clear from you previous posting, hence my concern. Please, give the options you have a second thought, but don't let my anxiety cloud your judgement

It's certainly good to ask him what he means by "serious, committed relationship", if he's the one bringing up the talk. See if your ideas match.
 
I am in polyandrous relationships. I have two husbands.

I travel between homes I share with both men.

Right now I am on a week vacation with my husband Murf.

I split my time 50/50 between my guys. I have been doing so for 5 years.

It works for us. My husbands would be extremely unhappy cohabiting.
 
He has said recently he loves me as much as his wife and would marry me too if it was allowed

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's not, but that makes me consider his wifes feelings in it all. Yes she is poly too but I'm not so sure she expected her husband to have such a strong bond with someone else. I doubt she knows he's told me that.

The last thing I want is to be the cause of friction in someone else's marriage, sure that is for them to sort through but having been the one whose spouse cheated, numerous times, I can't help but feel for her. I know this is not cheating, I just empathise with her even though we have never met and probably will never meet.

To be honest between starting a poly relationship and having turned to wicca last year I really feel I have got to know and understand myself so much lately.
I have never felt more "me".
 
I really appreciate all the input and advice from everyone. Guess I hadn't given much thought that far ahead.
Obviously there is no option of him living with me full time. No option of me being added into his and his wife's home.

Well, you never know! You hardly know this guy, and I am not sure he's "the one,'' (in fact, he might be Mr So Not Right, see below), but either with him or some other poly guy, or mono but friendly guy, or guys, you will figure out where on the relationship escalator you are most comfortable.

I know this was not anyone's intentions but now I kinda feel like I've hit a brick wall. I'm a tad confused about where this relationship CAN go, in the future.

Riding the relationship escalator (or not):

https://solopoly.net/2012/11/29/riding-the-relationship-escalator-or-not/


What I have said on a diff thread is that it is not me bringing up discussions of the two of us having a serious and committed relationship, but him. I can't help but stop and spare a thought for his wife when he says these things, and of course what it would mean for me and him... He has said recently he loves me as much as his wife and would marry me too if it was allowed.

:eek: :eek: :eek: So not cool!!! 2 months into a long distance relationship!


Maybe it's just me, but I think it's not, but that makes me consider his wife's feelings in it all. Yes she is poly too, but I'm not so sure she expected her husband to have such a strong bond with someone else. I doubt she knows he's told me that.

Hmm, or this could be a pattern with him, to fall way too deeply into NRE (or he's a narcissist and loving his fresh attention supply) and she's beaten down and inured to it. :( He may be triagulating you against her right now, comparing you two, telling her all your great (superior) qualities, and how much he loves you, even as much as her.

The last thing I want is to be the cause of friction in someone else's marriage. Sure, that is for them to sort through, but having been the one whose spouse cheated, numerous times, I can't help but feel for her. I know this is not cheating, I just empathize with her even though we have never met, and probably will never meet.


OK, YIKES. Remember how we talked about looking for red flags for narcissists? This is a BIG ONE. You are being love bombed. No one should be talking about marriage 2 months into a new relationship, during NRE, plus you're long distance, and he's ALREADY MARRIED. Good god, woman. I'd tread very cautiously here. In fact, if it was me, I'd be running the other way.

He's got a wife, you've got a kid just entering his hormonal teens. There is more to life than the intoxication of a new romance. Take time to find some balance and think with your head, not your pussy. Your new beau must be flattering the heck out of you, but I can't shake the sense there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
OMG we had sex ONCE. I hardly feel thats thinking with my pussy.

What you dont think i havent laid awake at night for weeks thinking all this through?

I AM being cautious but neither of us can deny the connection we have. There is obviously more going on in his marriage than I know about, im not that naive.

Maybe he is just a genuine guy who i happened to cross paths with and form a genuine bond maybe things will not work for us who knows. Nobody is discussing anything serious like that happening now.

I'm done with this thread now. I find comments are getting quite insulting. I have tried to open up and be honest about my current relationship to seek advice of others. Not to be judged and pracitcally called a whore.

Whilst I appreciate peoples advice and words of f caution, which I DO take on board, I don't post here to be judged on my actions.
 
To me, "seriousness" is much about being there in crisis. ...

Appart from that, I think seriousness is both shown and build in the relationship by having common goals and working on them. These can be traditional cohabitation, kids, good relations with each others families etc., but not bound to the escalator it could also be sharing a hobby where you improve together (like dancing), or perhaps a spiritual path.
Agreed.

For me, XBF and I had some of those. We had a very deep connection and I believe he felt for me as he never has for anyone. BUT...when there was a major crisis in my life, as in damage to home and property, 16 hour days cleaning the mess, trying to save the food in my fridge, etc, I got, "You'll be fine, baby." But he took an afternoon off work to arrange an appliance repair so his wife wouldn't have to make a phone call. Had he been there for me in that crisis...and dealt with a couple of other things better...I might happily be with him today. I never felt a need for marriage, but I DO feel a need to know I'm not alone in a crisis.

I fell in love with Idealist 3 years ago and what he considered first a bdsm play relationship and me a likely quick affair turned pretty serious over the first year, with at least 2 dates a week and daily communication.

.... a wish has developed to have him for myself. For him, he also wishes to have me close, to live with me, to commit in the more traditional sense. But he doesn't want to lose Meta too (and I can't live with her, even if she were open to it).....The insecurity if and how the relationship will continue....I'll be probably the one that will have to break up has been plaguing me quite a bit over the years. This can be a huge source of fear.

don't underestimate the need to live together, share downtime, entwine your lives. It only becomes stronger with time.

With all this, I don't want to imply that poly relationships can't be committed and functional. There are several members here, who have "two husbands"

... Will you be happy with having 'half a men', or even less.....

My relationship has brought me much happiness and growth, but also an incredible amount of pain and fear. I wish you a smoother sail.
Well said. This is all very much my experience.

I believe it's also very typical for the wives to become insecure and jealous. I've said before, the successful lasting Vs here are invariably two men. I've seen many poly wives here trashing the girlfriends--and every girlfriend their husbands find has a fatal flaw, and none of them are good enough. It's a common story and exactly what happened with me--the silent veto game was played by his wife and yes, I was all but forced to break up with him unless I wanted to continue being subjected to her games.

Yes, it is very, very painful.

To me, this is one of the elephants in the room, the thing we're not supposed to talk about. It is natural to want more and more time with someone as our relationship deepens. But secondaries are then called 'cowgirls' for wanting what is very natural to want with the man you have come to love.

I'm in agreement, too, I was very happy with XBF every moment I was with him. But in the end, it was also a great deal of pain, which so far has not ended. It hurts to lose someone you love, it hurts to know that you were ultimately disposable, it hurts to know someone who loves you won't actually protect you from his wife's jealousy, and more.
 
.... secondaries are then called 'cowgirls' for wanting what is very natural to want with the man you have come to love.

I agree and don't see how cowgirling is even possible. No woman can lasso a man and lure him into an exclusive relationship against his will. If a man is even considering monogamy with his GF, he does so with the freedom of his own thoughts. No GF can bewitch him with her magical cowgirl powers and hypnotize him into wanting to be with her and only her. The term "cowgirl" piggybacks on the fears that female sexuality is overpowering black magic. I would like to see the poly community retire this dismissive word.
 
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