Struggling with first poly dating experience

ASM90

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Although I have had threesomes with friends of mine and their partners, I’ve never actually had a polyamorous relationship (they’ve always been strictly monogamous), so it’s been a little bit difficult for me to navigate a situation I am in, but most of the resources I can find are advice for monogamous dating or extremely generic advice about polyamory that doesn’t really help. Because of that, I was hoping that if I could explain my situation, people with more experience in polyamorous relationships would be able to help me figure out what I should do.

To give some background information, a little bit over a month ago, a guy reached out to me on Grindr (all 3 of us are gay men), and we hit it off really well. Our conversation wasn’t sexual at all (which is rare for that app), and there was an immediate connection. He mentioned he had a partner, and even though I found him attractive, our discussions were completely platonic about our hobbies, pets, etc. The following day, his partner also messaged me on Grindr by total coincidence, and he and I hit it off even better than I did with his partner. As we got to talking, though, we quickly realized that I was actually talking to two halves of a couple (for simplicity’s sake, I’ll refer to them as P1 and P2, with P1 being the person who messaged me first).

I texted both of them individually for about a week, and then we decided it was time for all 3 of us to hang out. It went extremely well, and we just had dinner at their house and played board games. We continued talking daily, and the following weekend I hung out with P2 alone since P1 was visiting family out of state. We ended up drinking, ordering a pizza, and playing video games for most of the evening, but when it was really late and I was about to head home, he asked me if I wanted to have sex. So, we ended up doing that and both really enjoyed ourselves.
Another week went by, and I asked P1 if he would want to grab dinner after work, so I met him and P2 at a Mexican place nearby that he suggested. Originally, I was planning on it being my treat since I was the one who asked them out, and they had already had me to their house for dinner the first time, and then P2 ordered pizza the second time, but when it got time to pay, P1 wanted to cover it, so I ended up giving in and letting him.

Finally, P2 and I ended up going to Dave & Busters just the two of this past weekend since P1 has been working 12-hour shifts at work every day for the past week. I finally got to pay for something since I bought the tokens, but then P2 insisted I let him get us some food. After some arcade games and dinner, we went back to their house, where P1 got up from a nap to hang out and talk for a little bit, and then gave us both a hug goodnight before he went back to sleep. P2 and I then spent the rest of the evening talking about our families, up coming trips he and P1 are going on, and other things like that.

At the end of the night, when P2 was seeing me out, I gave him a peck on the lips, but he seemed surprised by it, and I felt like I made him uncomfortable. We talked a little bit more at the door, and since he and P1 are going out of state tomorrow for the weekend, followed by a wedding the weekend after, and then P2 going back out of state by himself for 3 weeks because his mom is having surgery, he said that he wanted us to try and hang out sometime next week in between their trips.

Over the course of this past month, every time we have hung out, both P1 and P2 have always seemed to show a very strong interest in me (P2 in particular). Every time we we meet up, the first thing they do is hug me, and the last thing they do when we part ways is hug me again and comment about when we should see each other again. However, P1 hasn’t been very responsive to texts this past week due to work, so it’s made it difficult to talk to him aside from when we talked a little bit in person, and I’ve mainly been talking to P2. I’m equally interested in both of them, but I worry about making P1 feel excluded, even though I do still try to include him, and I don’t want that to be something that causes problems.

The other thing that was really confusing for me was P2’s response to my kiss the other night, despite the fact that we’ve had sex and kissed a lot while we did. I did get some clarification about why that was, but that clarification only created different questions for me.
Basically, I ended up texting P2 yesterday to apologize if I made him feel uncomfortable the other night since he has seemed somewhat distant since then. He told me it was okay, that he should actually be the one apologizing for giving me mixed signals, and that he really enjoyed that evening. I told him not to worry about it, but I did open up about liking him and P1, which was extremely obvious but hadn’t been put into words.

After I told him that, he never responded. I had plans to go to the movies with a friend, though, so I couldn’t try to talk anymore. When I got back home, I ended up getting on Grindr, and I noticed that he had blocked me while I was at the movies. We hadn’t really talked on Grindr since we exchanged our other contact info the first day we started talking, but I had both him and P2 marked as favorites, and since they live not even 2 miles away, they’re always the first on the list.

I ended up texting him as soon as I noticed that to ask if he still wanted to be friends, but since he was ignoring my message, I assumed that meant he didn’t want anything to do with me anymore, so I was just even more confused.

This morning, he finally responded and opened up about their situation. They had a partner for 4 years who lived with and was dating both of them until about 4-5 months ago, but P1 and their partner started having a lot of conflict, and their partner broke up with them. P1 is over the breakup, and he wanted to get out there and have fun with other guys, and P2 is still not completely over their ex.

P2 was up front and told me that he and P1 are both really attracted to me and really enjoy spending time with me, but that they’re not wanting to jump into a relationship. I let him know that I completely understood that, and that I wouldn’t have wanted us to jump straight into a relationship anyway. I then suggested that we continue to be friends as we were, and told him that I wanted us to keep getting to know each other as we had been. He said he wanted the same thing, that he saw where I was coming from, and that he also feels a strong friendship is a “great place to launch a relationship from.”

He went on to explain that blocking me on Grindr was because he got “anxious and already had [my] contact info.” I’m not really sure what he meant, but it wasn’t something I wanted to probe into since at the end of the day, it isn’t the end of the world that we’re not able to contact each other there. I do think that it might have been because he had been on Grindr pretty much non stop for the few days after our last hangout, and he worried I would see that he was on there but ignoring texts from me. I don’t expect someone—especially one I have only known for a month—to always text back instantly, though.

After explaining that, he apologized about how he responded, and we’re still planning on spending time together when they get back next week, so it seems like that all got sorted out.

The problem for me, though, is that I’m not sure how to proceed. From our conversations, it sounds like P1 was wanting to meet new people to hook up with, and P2 is still hung up on their ex. Although, P1 and I have not even kissed (only hugged) despite him being attracted to me, and even though when I sent him some dirty pics after P2 and I had sex (since I wanted to make it clear that I’m interested in him too), he said he really liked them but didn’t want me to think that what he wanted was a “hook up.”

They’re both on different pages about what they want, so even though I would like for things to develop in an even more romantic/intimate direction, I completely understand that a relationship is probably not ideal at this stage, and it feels like a situation of meeting the right person/people at the wrong time. So, I worry that them wanting different things right now and just deciding friendship is all they want because it’s easier will make it so that we all feel like we can’t explore or express what we’re feeling. At the same time, I want to get to know them both individually and together, but I’m not really sure how to do that. With P2, it’s been spend time with him alone because of P1’s work, but I don’t want to make P2 feel like I’m trying to exclude him if I say I only want to hang out with P1 sometime. I’m also kind of scared to initiate anything intimate, because even though P2 said he agreed that we should continue as we were, there’s that worry that it could have the same result. I feel like it’s even harder when we’re all 3 together. Like, I’ve seen P1 and P2 kiss (just a quick peck on the lips here and there), but I’m really nervous to try something like that with both of them together because even though it’s just a kiss, the fact that it’s such an affectionate thing makes it feel very different than having impersonal sex with friends in a threesome (I don’t know if that makes sense).

Would anyone have any advice or has anyone experienced anything similar?
 
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I am sorry you struggle.

If you are still in the edit window, you might consider hitting return a few times to break up paragraphs more. Then you might get more readers. I found it hard to read like a wall of text. If not, oh well. Next time you post just add more breaks for readability.

For what it's worth? You don't sound confused to me. You pretty much nail your situation. Just bummed out. And maybe needing time some for the swirl of your feelings to calm and get to a place of acceptance that "friends" is prob best here for now.

But still too fresh for you -- like this was all whirlwind. Kinda like when a stick stirs up the water and it's all muddy and needs time to settle.
  • You have crush feelings on both.
  • You have disappointment that P1 doesn't want a hook up for casual sex.
  • Confusion how P2 was behaving but then the "Ah..." lightbulb moment when he explained this was going fast for him. Because he wasn't over the shared partner break up from a few months ago even if P1 is.
  • Then disappointment from P2 telling you friendship is a good foundation.... so there's worry P2 might pass on sharing more casual sex with you.
  • Because you want to move forward and escalate, not cool your jets.
  • Yet happy hanging out with them and texting and all that.
  • But unhappy because close proximity fuels the "going nowhere" crush angst.
It's a whole cocktail of swirly feelings. Round and round.

You might be hanging out with them too much and need a little breather. They both had trips and work and things to space interactions with you out. But you sound like go go go on this. Either one or the other or both. Where's your rest? And chance for muddy waters to still and calm?

P2 was up front and told me that he and P1 are both really attracted to me and really enjoy spending time with me, but that they’re not wanting to jump into a relationship.

So if you are looking for romance, it's too soon here after their break up with the shared partner.

They’re both on different pages about what they want, so even though I would like for things to develop in an even more romantic/intimate direction, I completely understand that a relationship is probably not ideal at this stage, and it feels like a situation of meeting the right person/people at the wrong time.

Yup. You nailed it. At it's gonna feel like "Aw, man! So close! But wrong time!"

Is this bit...

So, I worry that them wanting different things right now and just deciding friendship is all they want because it’s easier will make it so that we all feel like we can’t explore or express what we’re feeling.

actually more like...

I worry that them wanting different things right now and just deciding friendship is all they want because it’s easier will make it so that I can’t explore or express what I'm feeling for each of them and pursue a triad or poly V romance here.

If so, you may have to just accept friends is all it is here, and wait til more time passes before trying again.

Or just end it and move on before you get more attached to them.

At the same time, I want to get to know them both individually and together, but I’m not really sure how to do that.

Could ask P1 is he wants to hang out with just you two because if he's up for friendship then you want to know them individually and together. And let P1 respond.

And let P2 deal with his feelings around that. It is not your job to "pre-manage" P2's feelings for him.

Then spend time along with P2 as friends.

And then all three as friends.

But only if that is true -- you would be happy to be only friends.

If that would not lead to happy feelings for you?

And hanging out with them just fuels lovelorn angst?

Maybe you stop hanging out with them til your NRE crush feelings die down before tying to be only friends.

Or you skip being friends. You haven't really known them all that long. Just a month.

You kinda sound like you are suffering NRE withdrawal. And maybe looking for another "hit" from another "hang out with my crushes" or another "casual sex encounter" or trying to ramp it up to romance to keep the "wheeee!!!" lalalas going.

I’m also kind of scared to initiate anything intimate, because even though P2 said he agreed that we should continue as we were, there’s that worry that it could have the same result.

Just cuz P2 wants to carry on sharing casual sex? If doing more casual sex behavior with P2 will ensue in more feelings of crush angst or worries or stress? And you need those kinda of feelings to calm down? You don't do the behavior. Just like you don't put another stick in the water and stir it up again if you want it to calm and clear. You can't be surprised it's all muddy again, if you keep stirring right?

You could say "No, P2. It's fun, but let's dial it back to friends for now. No casual sex. See how we feel about things later. I think you need more time after a break up, and I need to not feel confused by crush things that can't go anywhere right now. "

I mean, P2 already told you before "a strong friendship is a “great place to launch a relationship from.”

Could stick with that.

To me it sound like P1 and P2 would be fine with friendhsip. But you were having fun being all NRE twitterpated and didn't want it to end do soon or fast. Maybe struggling to cool your jets because you were hoping for more.

Like so close! But... nope. Too soon after their break up. And maybe logical brain agrees.

But feeling heart is upset? And doing bargaining kinds of pretzel thinking? Like wanting at least the casual sex part because if you don't get BF here, then at least you get FWB, and not just friend. (Even if FWB behavior right now will just keep on muddying your waters.)

Is that where you are at? Brain and heart arguing in some kind of internal conflict when really you know what the answer is? You just don't like it?

I'm just trying to guess. I might guess wrong.

Galagirl
 
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Hello ASM90,

I think my advice would be that you should continue to develop a platonic friendship with P1 and P2. A better word for it might be friends with benefits, with sex still being a possibility but it would not be in the romantic sense. I think the three of you might want to firm up the expectation that a romantic relationship will probably happen sometime in the future, but it would be premature to put a specific date on it. P2 is still grieving over their ex, a process which cannot be rushed. If I were you, I think I would hold off on the PDA's with them (i.e., the non-sexual kissing). If they want to kiss each other that is fine, they were already a romantic couple before you met them. They seem comfortable with hugging, so I would keep doing that with them.

It sounds like the main issue with P1 is his work, a 12-hour shift is grueling and he's probably tired most of the time. Don't try to rush things with him, just enjoy his company when you can and if at some point there is opportunity to have sex with him, that is okay too. I think it is best to go with what they actually tell you, and to not get too carried away with hints and assumptions and what-ifs, you are not a mind reader, if there is something they want you to do different they can let you know via clear, direct communication. I think maybe you're getting worked up wondering if they want more now and are not telling you so. They've said that friendship is what they want right now. Take them at their word. I think you're doing fine. Carry on.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Galagirl, thank you for your really comprehensive response, and sorry about the readability. I wrote it on my phone, and it looked like there was a space between each paragraph when I posted it, so I didn't realize it came out as a giant text block. I just fixed it from my computer, so it should be easier to read now.

I definitely agree that it feels like a whirlwind. In the past, with the guys I've dated, the expectations were always very clear from the beginning. So, even though I've only actually had two relationships before (I'm 31), the first one was for 7 years, and the second was for 4. With this situation, things just kind of came out of nowhere in a way I've never experienced before, and instead of it just being with one guy, it's with two who each have their own desires and expectations, it's a big adjustment for me. I think you're right about me having a lot of NRE too, which I think has a lot with it being that I'm trying to cope with it for two people at the same time.

As for the situation with P1 not wanting to have casual sex, I'll try to see if I can't word that part a little more clearly, so that my reason for bringing it up is more clear. It's not necessarily that I want him and I to have casual sex, but I was meaning that he was trying to assure me that he wanted our relationship to be something deeper than just a one-night stand, which is part of what caused me to feel like things had the potential to develop into a more serious romantic relationship. At the same time, it somewhat contradicts what P1 has expressed to P2 about what he's primarily wanting right now.

Since writing my original post earlier, I did talk a little bit more with P2. So, my takeaway from having more information is that they weren't expecting anything serious to come from talking to other guys. P1 was just wanting to have casual sex, and P2 is still grappling with feelings for their ex, so he actually wasn't seeing eye to eye with P1 and didn't want anything romantic/sexual with other guys. However, when they met me, things didn't go quite as expected because they both thought I was cute and because of how well we hit things off. It also sounds like P2 got caught up in NRE as well, which is why he wanted to have sex the night we spent together, but he also has internal conflict due to not being over their ex or being ready to start something new. P1 on the other hand is also interested in me sexually, but he doesn't want the relationship with me to just end up being casual sex, and they're not in a position where they're ready to start a relationship, which is what non-casual sex would lead to. With the situation being what it is, it's not that there isn't any interest, it's just that there are too many complicating factors for anything other than friendship at this stage.

I think you're right that I want for things to move forward, and we've basically hit a road block with no idea for how long that is going to put the breaks on things developing beyond where they are (at least not without mixed feelings such as P2's contradictory feelings of not wanting to have anything sexual/romantic with anyone but P1 right now, but also finding himself caught up in new thoughts and feelings about me that make him want to make an exception, only to find himself feeling conflicted).

I would need more time to reflect on things too, but to a certain extent, I probably am conflicted too. With how things were going, this kind of came out of nowhere. It's kind of hard to express since things like playing board games and going out to dinner are things you can do with friends, but it didn't feel like friends hanging out but more like dates. For example when P2 and I were playing video games, he sat very close to me, and his leg would frequently touch mine or his shoulder would be pressed up against mine. I feel like if I didn't make the move I did when I kissed P2 last weekend when he was feeling conflicted, things would have continued on as they had been, and then he or P1 would've made the move, and I wouldn't have even been aware of the internal conflict they're experiencing.

Since they both want to continue on as we had been without anything changing, I don't think I'm really upset because what I want is to explore where this goes while hoping it does develop into something more serious. What I'm conflicted about is that even if everyone says they want our interactions to be how they were before all of this came to light, I know there will probably be a feeling that we have to watch what we say/do or second guessing ourselves, which makes it more difficult to be authentic and create a deeper connection. I feel like when you go into a situation and you immediately label what you are, it limits the possibilities of how that relationship can grow. So like if you say "we're just going to be friends," the interactions you have are framed by that, and even if there are other feelings, they often get suppressed because of the fear of ruining what's already established. So, even though I know it's too soon for us to really explore the prospects of a relationship, I would like for things to be more fluid without any expectations about what will or will not happen.
 
Could you not define anything right now and just enjoy getting to know each other? It's very early after all.
 
Hello ASM90,

I think my advice would be that you should continue to develop a platonic friendship with P1 and P2. A better word for it might be friends with benefits, with sex still being a possibility but it would not be in the romantic sense. I think the three of you might want to firm up the expectation that a romantic relationship will probably happen sometime in the future, but it would be premature to put a specific date on it. P2 is still grieving over their ex, a process which cannot be rushed. If I were you, I think I would hold off on the PDA's with them (i.e., the non-sexual kissing). If they want to kiss each other that is fine, they were already a romantic couple before you met them. They seem comfortable with hugging, so I would keep doing that with them.

It sounds like the main issue with P1 is his work, a 12-hour shift is grueling and he's probably tired most of the time. Don't try to rush things with him, just enjoy his company when you can and if at some point there is opportunity to have sex with him, that is okay too. I think it is best to go with what they actually tell you, and to not get too carried away with hints and assumptions and what-ifs, you are not a mind reader, if there is something they want you to do different they can let you know via clear, direct communication. I think maybe you're getting worked up wondering if they want more now and are not telling you so. They've said that friendship is what they want right now. Take them at their word. I think you're doing fine. Carry on.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to avoid PDA, so that we don't have a repeat of what happened this weekend. When I kissed P2, I really didn't think it would be received the way that it was because it wasn't the first time we kissed (although it was the first non-sexual kissing), and all indications up to that point made it seem like we were in a stalemate where everyone was just waiting on someone else to make the first move in that way. So, I kind of took a gamble and went with it. Things didn't go quite as I hoped, but I did learn a lot about both P1 and P2, and it sounds like we all want things to continue the way they were, so we're basically just back where we were beforehand, but now I know things won't go quite as smoothly as I was thinking they would, and I'm expecting there will probably be lots of ups and downs.

I know it's a little soon, but with regard to things like PDA, if it does get to a point where it goes beyond things like hugging and more into non-sexual kissing, do you think just keeping it to when we're one on one would be better and then doing it when we're in a group after that becomes more comfortable? Or would it really matter either way?

I kind of expressed it in my response above to Galagirl, but I do get a little nervous with saying "we're just going to be friends" because I worry that will put restrictions on how things can grow. I explained that to P2 as best as I could, and it sounds like we're on the same page and agree that we should be friends but without any expectations for what things will develop into. I haven't really been able to speak with P1, though, but P2 is going to talk with P1 about everything he and I discussed. Part of me feels like I should communicate directly with P1 about this too, but with his work schedule, I also kind of feel like I want what limited time we have right now to just be for having fun and enjoy each other's company, and I'll let him bring up those types of conversations if and when he wants to.
 
Could you not define anything right now and just enjoy getting to know each other? It's very early after all.
Talking more with P2, I expressed that that that's what I wanted, and his response was "Sorry everything has become so confusing. You didn't completely miss the mark (referring to an earlier message from me to him where I asked if I had maybe just read misread the situation). I get where you're coming from (with regard to me saying I want to be friends but not define where things will go). I'd be lying if I didn't say that we think that you're cute. I obviously enjoyed fooling around but [P1] and I aren't ready for a long-term relationship, and so I think friends is probably the right place for us all to land. I'm sorry I wasn't direct/clear. I feel bad cuz like I said both [P1] and I think that you're great."

I'm going to take this as a good sign. They're both leaving or their out-of-state trip tomorrow, so I think I'll just give them some space to enjoy that without me messaging them, but I'll text them later in the weekend if they don't reach out first to try and sure up our plans to hang out for next week.
 
I think you're right that I want for things to move forward, and we've basically hit a road block with no idea for how long that is going to put the breaks on things developing beyond where they are.


I think you all could relax some. Maybe just let it be what it is. You were all surprised, and now want to slow down and try being friends. And enjoy this space of "things unfolding" without trying to rush through it or pin it down further than that.

There can be a pleasure in that.

Since they both want to continue on as we had been without anything changing, I don't think I'm really upset because what I want is to explore where this goes while hoping it does develop into something more serious.

Ok.

What I'm conflicted about is that even if everyone says they want our interactions to be how they were before all of this came to light, I know there will probably be a feeling that we have to watch what we say/do or second guessing ourselves, which makes it more difficult to be authentic and create a deeper connection.

You don't think being "authentically awkward together" is a part of the journey of discovering where this might go? There can be a pleasure in that too.

I feel like when you go into a situation and you immediately label what you are, it limits the possibilities of how that relationship can grow. So like if you say "we're just going to be friends," the interactions you have are framed by that, and even if there are other feelings, they often get suppressed because of the fear of ruining what's already established. So, even though I know it's too soon for us to really explore the prospects of a relationship, I would like for things to be more fluid without any expectations about what will or will not happen.

You don't have to limit things. You could say "We're going to slow down some and start with just friends. And then let things grow as they will."

I think you might be "emotionally high" and the muddy waters still need some time to settle down so you can see more clearly.

But honestly? This sounds like a pretty good place to be.

Just maybe all three still ruffled up some from "Whoa, surprise! Didn't expect this!" and set to wobbling.

I'm going to take this as a good sign. They're both leaving or their out-of-state trip tomorrow, so I think I'll just give them some space to enjoy that without me messaging them, but I'll text them later in the weekend if they don't reach out first to try and sure up our plans to hang out for next week.

Exactly. Tell them you want to be friends at the start and slow down. No pressure on anyone or anything. Just taking it more like "stop and smell the roses" and let friends become what it wants to be next on its own.

You sound like you have the potential for a good friendship, maybe even potential for a natural triad. Which is rare, and triads are challenging a model. So taking it slow is prob a good thing.

But give it a little time and slow down. Allow it to unfold on it's own and get to actually enjoy the unfolding.

Galagirl
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I'm sorry this has gotten off to a rocky start. You must be pretty darn cute and nice to make these guys sort of go against what they thought they'd be up for! Go you!

But seriously, dating a couple is HARD. I do not recommend it at all. Dating one person who is in a long term relationship can take delicacy. Never mind trying to date 2 people with their shared history.

Dating a couple will always include the issue of "couple privilege." Even if they haven't tried to establish rules about what each of them is sort of "allowed" to do with others, they are obviously not on the same page, and also each one of them is still raw and confused about what they want. Platonic friends? FBs? FWBs? A real boyfriend? Each one feels differently and each one's individual feelings are also in flux. Of course, when dating a couple, there are 3 Vs stacked up:

You+P1
You+P2
P1+P2
Then all 3 together. That's a LOT of moving parts.

It's really funny that Grindr matched you with both of them, and both of them approached you before you even knew they were together! Funny, but quite a bit awkward and stressful as well. Too bad you ended up liking both of them, and they both like you, but they aren't really ready to date. It's also odd that P2 is spending tons of time on Grindr, even though he's decided he's not ready to date yet! And he even contacted you and fucked you and THEN backed off! Grr!

It does sound like you're all doing a pretty good job of communicating about all this though. So kudos for that.
 
Hi ASM90,

I think my suggestion would be to do the non-sexual kissing in one-on-one situations at first, not because I know it would be a problem in a group setting, but because I don't know. In case it would be problematic in a one-on-one situation, you would just want to deal with that problem by itself, and not complicate it with the additional potential problem a kiss in a group setting might raise. So one on one first, and then once that's going well and problem-free, then try the group setting. Hopefully that makes sense.

I don't think you should say, "We're just going to be friends," I would just do platonic friends as a starting point, and work from there. You're going to be friends for the moment, but you aren't going to put that label on it, and you don't know how long the friends situation will last before it progresses into something more. For all you know, it could blossom tomorrow, and if it does that's okay, you're not stuck to "friends," you haven't made a formal commitment to that.

Those are my suggestions thus far.
Regards,
Kevin T.
 
I'm sorry this has gotten off to a rocky start. You must be pretty darn cute and nice to make these guys sort of go against what they thought they'd be up for! Go you!

But seriously, dating a couple is HARD. I do not recommend it at all. Dating one person who is in a long term relationship can take delicacy. Never mind trying to date 2 people with their shared history.

Dating a couple will always include the issue of "couple privilege." Even if they haven't tried to establish rules about what each of them is sort of "allowed" to do with others, they are obviously not on the same page, and also each one of them is still raw and confused about what they want. Platonic friends? FBs? FWBs? A real boyfriend? Each one feels differently and each one's individual feelings are also in flux. Of course, when dating a couple, there are 3 Vs stacked up:

You+P1
You+P2
P1+P2
Then all 3 together. That's a LOT of moving parts.

It's really funny that Grindr matched you with both of them, and both of them approached you before you even knew they were together! Funny, but quite a bit awkward and stressful as well. Too bad you ended up liking both of them, and they both like you, but they aren't really ready to date. It's also odd that P2 is spending tons of time on Grindr, even though he's decided he's not ready to date yet! And he even contacted you and fucked you and THEN backed off! Grr!

It does sound like you're all doing a pretty good job of communicating about all this though. So kudos for that.
Thanks. I don't think I'm too bad looking. lol I take after my mom who always looked really young for her age, so like I'm 31 bust most people think I'm in my early 20s. It has its pros and cons, though.

I won't lie, I am a little bit worried about issues with things like couple privilege. They've been together for about a decade, and they're only 32 and 33, so they've been together most of their adult life. They also own a house together, and I bought a house that's about 2 miles from them back in October, so even though they all lived separately until they bought their house with their ex (so the home was all three of theirs), if we started dating, it would be at a much different stage in their life than it was with their previous partner. I also am not the kind of person who would move in with someone I'm dating right away, so for at least the first couple years (if that happened), there would be a very pronounced feeling of a primary and secondary relationship between us. I do know from what I've learned about their ex that they didn't really have a primary/secondary relationship dynamic, so all three were co-equal and if one person was allowed to do something, all of them were allowed to do it, so I know it wouldn't happen intentionally, but I think that just because of them having a history and living together and me being new, it might be something that creeps up. I know primary/secondary dynamics are pretty common with poly relationships, but that's something that would be completely new to me, so that might be a struggle.

I also am quite surprised that we met on Grindr. I've never had much success with it, so I only ever get on there once in a blue moon when I'm just curious about who's around. I think part of why they both reached out was because of how close I am. We live in the suburbs, so it's not like downtown where the faces around you constantly change, and I'm right at the top of the list of guys who are nearby. They also seem to have the same taste in men, and my profile mentions my interests, which are all basically the same as theirs, so that kind of made it so it was only a matter of time.

I find it really odd that P2 is spending so much time on Grindr too. Like, I don't know if it's just him trying to cope or distract himself by talking with different guys, but I don't understand it. On that note, I did see last night that after we talked yesterday, and he realized that I thought him blocking me on Grindr was because he wasn't wanting us to talk anymore, he did unblock me.

But yeah, it's not super fun to have a guy basically chase you, show extremely strong interest in you, have sex with you, and then decide it's going too fast. If it would have been me who reached out, asked him to screw around, etc., it would've been a lot easier for me to accept slamming on the breaks. It's starting to seem like that might not be for long, though. I'm now supposed to hang out with P1 and P2 on Monday evening after I get off work and they get back from their trip. They also sent me a cute picture of them at the airport in a way that seemed like they were trying to include me. I just hope that it doesn't turn into a situation that causes whiplash by constantly stopping and going.

And thanks. I think communication has been pretty good because we're all used to doing it a lot. P1 is a doctor, P2 is a medical researcher, and I'm a translator/interpreter, so we pretty much have to be for our jobs.
 
Hi ASM90,

I think my suggestion would be to do the non-sexual kissing in one-on-one situations at first, not because I know it would be a problem in a group setting, but because I don't know. In case it would be problematic in a one-on-one situation, you would just want to deal with that problem by itself, and not complicate it with the additional potential problem a kiss in a group setting might raise. So one on one first, and then once that's going well and problem-free, then try the group setting. Hopefully that makes sense.

I don't think you should say, "We're just going to be friends," I would just do platonic friends as a starting point, and work from there. You're going to be friends for the moment, but you aren't going to put that label on it, and you don't know how long the friends situation will last before it progresses into something more. For all you know, it could blossom tomorrow, and if it does that's okay, you're not stuck to "friends," you haven't made a formal commitment to that.

Those are my suggestions thus far.
Regards,
Kevin T.
Hi Kevin,

That makes a lot of sense. I think that's what I'm going to try. My hope is that it'll be made easier by either one or both of them being the one to initiate it when it gets to that point (similar to how it was with P2 when we had sex), but if they don't, and if we get to a point where it seems like the right time, I'll try to do it in one-on-one situations.

I understand what you're saying about being friends too. What you said about things possibly "blossoming tomorrow" is also a good point. At present, it seems like it's going to be much more of an ambiguous friendship since both P1 and P2 want for us to continue hanging out the way we were (which always felt like dates). I can't help but feel that the issue wasn't the interactions or the budding feelings but the concern that things would start to become serious at a point where they're still working through issues from their prior relationship.

After sleeping on things, having a brief conversation with P2, and then seeing how they tried to send me a picture of them at the airport in a way that seemed like they were trying to include me, I get the impression that the road block we encountered is at least partially behind us (a lot quicker than I was expecting). P2 also unblocked me on Grindr because he realized that doing so caused me to think he didn't want to talk anymore, and he responded to a picture of me and my cat that I posted on Snapchat last night, so we talked this morning when I responded to his response to that. His response frequency was also how it was pre-kiss, there was joking back and forth, and we have plans to hang out Monday evening after I get off work and they get back from their trip. Even so, I'm not gonna avoid texting them and having conversations via text for this weekend--but since it seems like they're going to be sending me pics from the trip, I'll probably send them some pics when I'm out with friends this weekend on Snapchat--and then I'll see how Monday goes.

Thank you for all of your suggestions!
 
Glad I could help. Keep us posted.
 
I won't lie, I am a little bit worried about issues with things like couple privilege. They've been together for about a decade, and they're only 32 and 33, so they've been together most of their adult life. They also own a house together, and I bought a house that's about 2 miles from them back in October, so even though they all lived separately until they bought their house with their ex (so the home was all three of theirs), if we started dating, it would be at a much different stage in their life than it was with their previous partner. I also am not the kind of person who would move in with someone I'm dating right away, so for at least the first couple years (if that happened), there would be a very pronounced feeling of a primary and secondary relationship between us.

They are obviously nesting partners who live together. And no, you don't start dating someone and trade house keys and put them on your will or just sell your house and move in with them or whatever. But if you don't like primary-secondary and prefer "working toward co-primary" it's ok to say that up front. Along with whatever other models you are and are not up for. Not exhaustive but here's a list with some example models.


I do know from what I've learned about their ex that they didn't really have a primary/secondary relationship dynamic, so all three were co-equal and if one person was allowed to do something, all of them were allowed to do it, so I know it wouldn't happen intentionally, but I think that just because of them having a history and living together and me being new, it might be something that creeps up.

Again... if you notice something, you could speak up.

I know primary/secondary dynamics are pretty common with poly relationships, but that's something that would be completely new to me, so that might be a struggle.

You do not have to agree to do anything you don't want to be doing. Your consent belongs to you. It's isn't like "established couple" calls all the shots and you would have to just go along with it.

In polyamory, the people involved decide how they want to be together in their poly grouping. So be honest about where you stand.

As you said, you are all good communicators. So keep communicating.

Galagirl
 
Would anyone have any advice or has anyone experienced anything similar?

What you are experiencing seems pretty normal to me with regard to brand new associations that include people who are just now starting to get to know each other. One of the main concepts I try to remind myself of when I'm meeting someone new that I am in to, is "slow down... slow WAY down".

It takes a long time to get to know someone to any valuable level. It takes shared struggle, moving a couch together, playing a competitive board game together, dealing with one of us having a death in the family, dealing with one of us getting a huge job opportunity that requires a change; it takes quite a bit of life to actually get to know someone. So what we are doing when we go through this initial getting to know you routine is essentially just speed dating. We are learning surface level things about each other and start making assumptions and interpretations. We don't actually know these people, but we *feel* like we know them.

That's all well and good, just so long as we understand that we are basically strangers who have the hots for each other. So my advice is to avoid making any decisions that build barriers to exit which includes moving in, making big promises, and assigning any meaningful labels. Take a deep breath and keep reminding yourself "I am confused about their motivations because they are strangers, and it's pretty normal to not have any idea what makes them tick".

They’re both on different pages about what they want, so even though I would like for things to develop in an even more romantic/intimate direction, I completely understand that a relationship is probably not ideal at this stage, and it feels like a situation of meeting the right person/people at the wrong time. So, I worry that them wanting different things right now and just deciding friendship is all they want because it’s easier will make it so that we all feel like we can’t explore or express what we’re feeling. At the same time, I want to get to know them both individually and together, but I’m not really sure how to do that. With P2, it’s been spend time with him alone because of P1’s work, but I don’t want to make P2 feel like I’m trying to exclude him if I say I only want to hang out with P1 sometime. I’m also kind of scared to initiate anything intimate, because even though P2 said he agreed that we should continue as we were, there’s that worry that it could have the same result. I feel like it’s even harder when we’re all 3 together. Like, I’ve seen P1 and P2 kiss (just a quick peck on the lips here and there), but I’m really nervous to try something like that with both of them together because even though it’s just a kiss, the fact that it’s such an affectionate thing makes it feel very different than having impersonal sex with friends in a threesome (I don’t know if that makes sense).

This seems like something that you should be sharing with these people. You are currently making assumptions based on shoddy communication and it likely won't improve until you stop pussy-footing around with these guys and shoot them straight.
 
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