Am I overreacting, or is my poly partner an [...]?

Loria44

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I (42F) was ambivalent about starting a new connection with a guy (47M) who also had another connection starting out at the same time. We live in different countries, the other connection was local to him. We started talking on Bumble at the end of November. The way things have played out though, our connection has been much more intense, and after a second date with this other person, that one fizzled out (he told me last week he sent a message to say goodbye after about two months of no-contact).

In the meantime we’ve met twice:
- once at the end of January, after his second and last date with the other person - we were meant to spend a weekend together, but I cancelled it and instead went for a coffee, which turned into a gym session, which turned into a spa date, and then finished with amazing sex (we both came at the same time - which was a first for both of us on a first encounter); we also spent the night together but he had to leave early to catch a flight; at that time I decided not to give a damn about his other connection anymore, but I wasn’t going to see him again if it continued (due to an autoimmune condition I prefer not to have partners who date multiple people)

- a second time at the end of February - he invited me to his home for a long weekend, and once again we had an amazing time. We were extremely comfortable around each other, even sharing a bed after intimacy (prior to this we talked about the fact that we both struggled with this part when it came to new partners - so we were prepared to use different bedrooms). He initiated sex every evening and morning, and I was happy to play along (and a bit sore after three days and nights, haha). He described the sex as “mind blowing”, and mentioned how it hasn’t happened often to him to have such compatibility with someone, not just from a sexual point of view, but also generally spending time together (doing some sightseeing, shopping, cooking, sharing laughs, working together from his flat etc). He is relatively new to being poly, had a few dates but doesn’t have amazing success with it as he’s meeting people over apps. This was the first time he spent such a long time with someone other than his partner.

Now here comes the reason for this post. After I left, his partner (49F) was apparently shaken by the fact that we had we spent such a long time together - she had even seen her therapist on the last day I was there to try and process it all (I feel that he shares quite a lot with me about her, although I didn’t ask/don’t need to know… at one time he said he only shared basic information about me with her). She was not into ENM or poly when they met, but his condition for the two of them having a relationship was that it would not be monogamous - therefore she has been slowly bringing herself to accept the reality of him dating other people during the last 1.5 years, and she is also trying to give it a go herself.

He has now booked flights to visit me at the end of May for four days, and while we were joking around that next time we should try having sex at lunch as well and beat the previous record of six times, he shared that his partner was very shocked by that number. I had previously offered to meet her for a lowkey coffee if she was ever up for it (which she felt flattered about, apparently), which I would have never done had I known she would be aware of this level of detail regarding my sex life with him. I really feel like her asking the question about how many times we had sex during our weekend together was in very poor taste - and him answering it was even worse. He confirmed however that nothing else was shared (although we did go to a sex shop together where we each bought a few things - I sometimes like to wear a butt plug during doggy, I obviously used my own during our time at his flat; he got the same model to try it with his partner and three days later told me she really liked it - so I felt this was also something she knows about our time together, when I don’t know/don’t need/don’t want to know the same about their sex life - I felt he could have waited a couple of weeks).

I asked why he would share with her how may times we had sex, and his explanation was that he wanted to be open and transparent, and that their relationship is about honesty, which is what he would also expect from her when she starts dating. I asked why he thought she would want to know something as intimate as this - his reply was that she felt threatened at one point about me being very attractive (without sounding arrogant, I am very hot - I turn heads wherever I go, and I’ve never struggled with dating any man I was interested in; in this case, I am also the youngest he has ever dated). To me, the explanation didn’t even add up, because hearing how many times one’s partner has had sex with someone hotter and younger surely wouldn’t do any good to one’s confidence. I explained that I was disappointed he shared this intimate detail about our weekend without even considering if I consented to this being shared. I told him that to me it feels invasive and unnecessary. His apology was “I am sorry my actions make you feel that way” which I felt made things even worse because it’s not an acknowledgment of any wrongdoing or bad judgement, but rather a deflection that suggests I was being overly sensitive. I also feel like he would never stick up for me because this has now created a precedent - and every time a question like that is being asked he will honour her “need to know” (because of whatever reason) over my sense of privacy.

Looking for some collective wisdom here. Is he an ass and I should stop wasting my time, or am I overreacting? What does one get from knowing the number of times a partner has had sex with someone else? I am poly myself, together with my husband for 14 years and this is maybe my fifth connection during this time - but I had never felt the need to report on or inquire about sexual activities, I feel like it’s so disrespectful (especially without being given the heads-up to the other person that this would be shared). My husband is a gentleman who has never, ever asked. Thank you to anyone who has made it this far.
 
You are not overreacting.

TMI details are TMI. He should ask for your consent before sharing intimate sexual details with his other partner. It’s reasonable for him to share basics like calendar updates, safer sex practices, or health info, but telling her how many times you had sex, and exactly what you did? That’s not his alone to share. That’s yours too, and you did not consent.

He's a horrible-sounding hinge to me. He overshares with her and he overshares with you. He also does not take personal responsibility for how his actions affect others.

His apology was “I am sorry my actions make you feel that way.”

That's not even a real or full apology. It's deflection. Like your feelings are "broken" or "too sensitive," rather than him owning that his poor behavior dinged you, what he will be doing different in future, asking for opportunity to make amends, and then actually following through on changes.

Taking personal responsibility and doing full apologies is a basic skill. It's not "special" to polyamory. He can't do basics?

I asked why he would share with her how may times we had sex, and his explanation was that he wanted to be open and transparent, and that their relationship is about honesty, which is what he would also expect from her when she starts dating.

This is also deflection and avoiding taking personal responsibility for how his actions dinged YOU.

If those two want to be weird in their dyad? They want weird communication standards and oversharing? They can do that over there. What's it got to do with your dyad and the communication standards over here? Their communication standards are not your responsibility, and it’s inappropriate for him to hold you to them. You shouldn’t have to report intimate details or treat honesty as a justification for violating your privacy.

If I was dating him, would I have to be so "open and honest" that I'd have to show him my Kleenex after I sneeze in it? Cuz that's super open and honest. But it is not appropriate, considerate or even necessary.

I don't see why he thinks what he is doing is appropriate, considerate, or necessary. He overshares and then tries to justify his poor behavior as "I'm just being open and honest." Okay. But is he being appropriate and considerate?

She was not into ENM or poly when they met, but his condition for the two of them having a relationship was that it would not be monogamous - therefore she has been slowly bringing herself to accept the reality of him dating other people during the last 1.5 years,

Total turn-off to me. He's okay with his other partner ignoring her own preferences to bend into pretzels just to be with him. Maybe he even EXPECTS partners to bend around him like that. And why did he tell you all that, anyway? To low key brag? Or to test if YOU will also bend around him like that?

I think you could drop him and move on. Good sex can be had elsewhere. You are not overreacting. He is behaving poorly. This is not compatible. This guy doesn't meet your personal standards.

He doesn't know how to do respectful, healthy polyamory.

And you don't have to sign up to be the teacher.

Galagirl
 
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Your partner is a sloppy hinge.

He is an ass.

The first time a partner would share personal details with another partner I would bounce.

I never ever share TMI details with Butch about Murf and I’s sex life despite him wanting to know. Murf is not comfortable with that and I respect him and feel the same way.
 
Mod hat on:

I deleted the epithet from the title because of our guidelines. I know it's common to ask "Is X the asshole?" on current social networks, but our Guidelines recommend speaking respectfully, and that includes ad hominem accusations. Better to criticize behaviors. We are all about upskilling communication skills.

This forum was founded on the idea that communication, empathy, and the functional relationship skills so necessary for polyamorous (multiple love) relationships should be fostered here. The primary rule of this board is for members to be considerate.


Thanks! Carry on. :)
 
Hello Loria44,

You are not overreacting, he is definitely sharing too much without your permission. You can see that he is going to continue that behavior, so you have to decide if you can stand him doing that. It seems to me that his excuse about honesty/transparency is a bit disingenuous. Does he share the details of his sex life with everyone? I think not. I'm not saying he's a bad person, but in this area he is acting badly. He his not honoring your wishes. You have to decide if you can stand for him continuing to do that.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
 
Trouble is, you're having great sex but haven't had much time to really get to know this man. So you have very little data to base your decision on.
A lot of people are having growing pains around sharing, but his lack of reflection definitely sounds like a red flag.
There's another one: His partner not being really poly and just adjusting because of him. If you get deep, you may keep bumping against insecurities.
You could decide to go as parallel as possible and stop him every time he starts sharing about her. That way you won't know what she knows about you either. It may work well enough - that is, if oversharing is the only problem with him. Which you don't know at this point.
I'm not sure whether the sex is worth finding out or not. After all, you say you have no problem finding partners.

One part of you sais he's an ass. What are the other competing instincts?
 
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Trouble is, you're having great sex but haven't had much time to really get to know this man. So you have very little data to base your decision on.
A lot of people are having growing pains around sharing, but his lack of reflection definitely sounds like a red flag.
There's another one: His partner not being really poly and just adjusting because of him. If you get deep, you may keep bumping against insecurities.
You could decide to go as parallel as possible and stop him every time he starts sharing about her. That way you won't know what she knows about you either. It may work well enough - that is, if oversharing is the only problem with him. Which you don't know at this point.
I'm not sure whether the sex is worth finding out or not. After all, you say you have no problem finding partners.

One part of you sais he's an ass. What are the other competing instincts?
Thank you for the time to read and the considered reply.

The parts I enjoyed in our interaction were probably more surface-level: the conversations, common music tastes, the ability to travel together sometimes (we both work consulting jobs). We both have kids (he is divorced), so we connected also in terms of relationship/parenting challenges, life changes as one matures etc. We were very compatible in these areas, and he was also a high communicator (we exchanged multiple messages every day, some videos calls during the week). In general, I would say he was making himself very available to me.

But despite the four months of constant communication, he never mentioned any feelings for me. Not even something as simple as “I miss you”. I also felt like holding back from day one due to what he was sharing with me regarding his other connection (I was worried that I would end up in the same situation). At one point early on I asked if he was putting an emotional cap on his connections, and he said no. But I guess my feeling was that the emotional availability was not there.

During the last few days I tried to talk to him about the fact that his NP was privy to intimate details I did not consent to. I told him that for me this is a relationship ending event because he never stopped to consider my feelings when sharing that information. He still had a deflective tone. I did not attack, I tried to keep a neutral tone, but when we attempted a video call I could not bear to look at him.

My sense is that I cannot heal this breach of trust. His stance is that we had never discussed what we were comfortable sharing, and that he would be happy for me to share the number of times we had sex with my husband. I told him that the only path I can see to attempt to repair anything would be for his NP to have a chat with me. I think this would help me regain a sense of dignity, and I would like her to hear from me that he did not have my consent in sharing how many times we had sex. He claims that despite everything being hunky-dory between them they have discussed my messages and she is not open to have a discussion with me. I think this is indicative of the fact that I am not considered on equal footing with her, and that in itself is a realisation that I am grateful for - I could have wasted a lot more time with future plans and so on.

His last message was that he cannot provide the answers I am looking for, and he would take a timeout of at least three days because our discussion was activating him, and he could not help me or our connection in an activated state. I do not think I have seen anything more avoidant than that.
 
Yeah.

Frankly, I do think you are somewhat overreacting to the oversharing itself. It's just a number. You haven't discussed it before.
I don't see how chatting to her would help you repair trust with him.

But also, you haven't gotten a single "I will be more careful next time". He's dismissive of feelings overall.
I think your gut is right that he's not a compatible partner to you after all. Better dodge the bullet.
 
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The parts I enjoyed in our interaction were probably more surface-level: the conversations, common music tastes, the ability to travel together sometimes... We both have kids... we connected in terms of relationship/parenting challenges, life changes... he was also a high communicator. (We exchanged multiple messages every day, some videos calls.) In general, I would say he was making himself very available to me.

But... he never mentioned any feelings for me.

I tried to talk to him about the fact that his NP was privy to intimate details I did not consent to. I told him that for me this is a relationship-ending event because he never stopped to consider my feelings when sharing that information. He still had a deflective tone.
Having a sense of discretion about TMI, while still being open and honest about needs, desires and feelings, are what is needed in good polyamory practices. It sounds like he's got the opposite thing going on!
His stance is that we had never discussed what we were comfortable sharing...
But once you did discuss it, he should have been willing to accommodate your privacy needs, not just airily dismiss them.
[said] he would be happy for me to share the number of times we had sex with my husband.
Of course! Men are always happy to let other partners of their female partners know just how often and how well they bang. That makes them a stud. However, traditionally, women prefer discretion, or otherwise we are seen as harlots, if we enjoy sex too often and too well. (At least to strangers. We are honest about it with our fellow women friends or our gay male besties. ;) People we trust.)
I told him that the only path I can see to attempt to repair anything would be for his NP to have a chat with me. I think this would help me regain a sense of dignity, and I would like her to hear from me that he did not have my consent in sharing how many times we had sex... she is not open to have a discussion with me. I think this is indicative of the fact that I am not considered on equal footing with her.
Or it could just be that she prefers parallel polyamory. She may not really want to know about your sex life with her husband, nor want to discuss it with you at all, for whatever reason you might have.
His last message was that he cannot provide the answers I am looking for, and he would take a timeout of at least three days because our discussion was activating him, and he could not help me or our connection in an activated state. I do not think I have seen anything more avoidant than that.
Needing space as a poly person is not necessarily a red flag. I actually love to have two free days a week not seeing either of my partners, and our schedule accommodates that. Also, taking space from an argument can allow hot heads to cool down. But I do understand that you want a partner who is more emotionally open, not distant.

Tinwen:
Frankly, I do think you are somewhat overreacting to the oversharing itself. It's just a number.

I think it was that, plus the whole butt plug issue, immediately telling his wife about the OP's interest in them, running out and getting one, having wife immediately use one, and especially sharing all that and reporting back how the wife liked it (ew)! All too much! TMI! TMI! Abort! Abort! Not my cuppa tea at all. I know more polysexual people (swingers, for example) may love to hear about their partner's sexual escapades with others, and get turned on by this, but I think that is definitely less common with polyamory.
 
Or it could just be that she prefers parallel polyamory. She may not really want to know about your sex life with her husband, nor want to discuss it with you at all, for whatever reason you might have.
But she did discuss it with him - she was the one who asked him specifically how many times we had sex during our time together. When I first asked why she’d want to know something like that, he had no idea why and said that I would need to ask her. He then explained in a voice message that she had felt very shaken by the amount of time we had together, by how beautiful and attractive I am etc (which made no sense to me, because why would you then want to know something as confidence-shaking as how many times your partner fucked the younger, hotter person?) When we spoke yesterday, he clarified this was a comfort thing for her, knowing how many times we actually had sex, and that his intention was not to hurt me (again deflecting because I never said he intended this - he just showed poor judgment and never considered my feelings, which just gives me the ick).

Ultimately, I am quite happy to draw the line here because I feel this isn’t exactly bringing any joy. He is definitely guilty of oversharing - I did not need to know that she dumped him in November (because she has a fear of abandonment from her childhood, apparently), that she met some guy in Berlin two weeks ago and had sex with him (and that’s someone who’s got new partners every 4-6 weeks and doesn’t test himself), that she was shocked by the number of times we had sex… For crying out loud, I am so done! 🤦🏻‍♀️ Overall I feel there’s been three of us in that relationship and it’s exhausting. I’ve never had to do so much relationship management before (but then my partners were mostly single, which was much easier)…
 
My sense is that I cannot heal this breach of trust. His stance is that we had never discussed what we were comfortable sharing, and that he would be happy for me to share the number of times we had sex with my husband.

Exactly! You and he never talked about what you were ok sharing with each other, so why did he assume that sharing was ok? There was no conversation with you about it.

Dude seems self centered or self absorbed. Like just because he is ok telling/hearing about stuff... all people must be like him. He doesn't even think... hey... maybe your husband doesn't want you blabbing TMI details about him to this BF.

If trust can't be repaired here and you are breaking up with him? Just end it. You do not have to JADE your decisions to him -- justify, argue, defend, explain. You just make them.

I told him that the only path I can see to attempt to repair anything would be for his NP to have a chat with me.

Why would she have to clean up his messes so you can feel better?

Even if she cleans up THIS mess... how does this change HIS behaviors so he doesn't ding you again?


He claims that despite everything being hunky-dory between them, they have discussed my messages and she is not open to have a discussion with me. I think this is indicative of the fact that I am not considered on equal footing with her, and that in itself is a realisation that I am grateful for. I could have wasted a lot more time with future plans and so on.

Or... she wants parallel poly and she thinks he should clean up his own messes and not rope her into doing it for him. Or they are just weird over there. Who knows?

I think you letting this guy go solves it. He's not a great sounding partner. You can break up and move on with dignity. He's messy sounding.

You deserve way better than this.

Galagirl
 
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...that she met some guy in Berlin two weeks ago and had sex with him (and that’s someone who’s got new partners every 4-6 weeks and doesn’t test himself)...
Well, actually you might want to know that to make informed health decisions.
 
But she did discuss it with him - she was the one who asked him specifically how many times we had sex during our time together.
Oh, right. Hmm... well, that is kinda weird. It shows a high degree of insecurity and competiveness.
When I first asked why she’d want to know something like that, he had no idea why and said that I would need to ask her.
He could have asked her why himself, and also refused to tell her. But, live and learn.

I come from the school of preferring more parallel poly in the early months, where I don't meet and speak to my new metamour until I am sure the new relationship seems like it is going to continue. I don't prefer to invest in getting to know a metamour only to have that relationship fizzle. My time would have just been wasted.
He then explained in a voice message that she had felt very shaken by the amount of time we had together, by how beautiful and attractive I am, etc. (which made no sense to me, because why would you then want to know something as confidence-shaking as how many times your partner fucked the younger, hotter person?)
I know people get all het up about comparing relative "attractiveness" qualities. I however, put little stock in that, as long as the person in question is well-groomed and taking some degree of care in their health. Conventional good looks have nothing to do with how good of a partner someone is. "Looks are only skin deep," as Grandma used to say. "Pretty is as pretty does." Etc. Also, age doesn't matter. Older people can be much much better in bed. Often maturity brings better confidence, communication skills, a larger sexual-skills repertoire, etc., which makes the sex better.

I once read how some women don't want to be on top for sex because they are afraid gravity drags their facial skin down, and I was like, "Girl, what??" Enthusiasm counts for much more than being 100% perfect-looking at all times, even in the throes of passion. Sheesh.

And as you must know, as apparently a pretty woman, looking good doesn't guarantee you good relationships. You'll attract all kind of people, but most of them won't be suitable anyway. I'm relatively good-looking. I joined dating sites back when I was 53 and got hundreds of messages from guys looking for cougars/MILFs. Doesn't mean more than 2% of them were actually attractive to me.
When we spoke yesterday, he clarified this was a comfort thing for her, knowing how many times we actually had sex...
I guess she thought she would find it comforting, but actually ended up feeling worse.
... and that his intention was not to hurt me, again, deflecting, because I never said he intended this. He just showed poor judgment, and never considered my feelings, which just gives me the ick.
Yes. Sometimes people will rush to comfort their established partner without thinking of the feelings of the newer (less important because of lower investment) partner.
Ultimately, I am quite happy to draw the line here, because I feel this isn’t exactly bringing any joy. He is definitely guilty of oversharing. I did not need to know that she dumped him in November (because she has a fear of abandonment from her childhood, apparently), that she met some guy in Berlin two weeks ago and had sex with him (and that’s someone who’s got new partners every 4-6 weeks and doesn’t test himself), that she was shocked by the number of times we had sex… For crying out loud, I am so done! 🤦🏻‍♀️ Overall I feel there’s been three of us in that relationship and it’s exhausting. I’ve never had to do so much relationship management before (but then my partners were mostly single, which was much easier)…
Good for you! New relationships shouldn't be so much work. This just confirms that being pretty doesn't guarantee one good relationships, despite all the attention we get.
 
Well, actually you might want to know that to make informed health decisions.
Sorry, I was not explicit enough. He could have conveyed the information that she has a new partner with a higher risk profile, and kept the rest of the details to himself: that he was surprised the two of them slept together on their first meeting after only chatting for a couple of weeks (I mean, we did the same, but we had spoken intensively for about two months before that), that they had a long chat to discuss this sudden change in their dynamics, that neither her nor the guy had considered testing (but he had agreed to get tested before him and I would meet again, because him and the meta don’t use condoms) etc, etc.

I also didn’t need to know she enjoyed the same butt plug I was using three days after we met 🫣🤢

One other thing that I also found a bit too much to absorb was that his NP told him she found me very attractive and thought she would like to meet me and have a threesome. I had never told him this is something I would be interested in, he had asked at one point if I ever had experience with other women and I said that I was not turned on by someone of the same sex. He replied that he had a good idea how another pair of hands would please her (sorry, why do I have to care! 🤢) Also that she has a fantasy of being near a woman with big boobs (which is my case, I am a D cup). So this also made me feel like this was all a bit of an experiment for the two of them, where the new partners are just instruments and are not seen as equal partners in their own right.
 
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If trust can't be repaired here and you are breaking up with him? Just end it. You do not have to JADE your decisions to him -- justify, argue, defend, explain. You just make them.
To be honest, the thought of him touching me again is making my skin crawl right now. I could have perhaps gotten over the overstep of sharing the number of times we had sex with his NP if he had actually been super apologetic and supportive after I explained at length how that made me feel. Instead, he deflected with “I am sorry for how my actions made you feel”, how it was not his intention and how for him transparency is important in relationships (just not transparency towards me to tell me this is the kind of thing he thinks is ok to share with his primary, I guess).

He also avoided giving me any sort of reassurance: no asking for forgiveness, nothing being offered towards repairing the trust, or somehow articulating that I am important to him - anything that would actually make me feel that he is not in fact ignoring my feelings (like his action indicated). Instead he talked about all of this with his primary and avoided further discussions with me by saying how these were “activating” him. So it is more his reaction that has sunk this, I feel.
 
Hello Loria44,

You are not overreacting, he is definitely sharing too much without your permission. You can see that he is going to continue that behavior, so you have to decide if you can stand him doing that. It seems to me that his excuse about honesty/transparency is a bit disingenuous. Does he share the details of his sex life with everyone? I think not. I'm not saying he's a bad person, but in this area he is acting badly. He his not honoring your wishes. You have to decide if you can stand for him continuing to do that.

Sympathetically,
Kevin T.
Hey Kevin,

Thank you for sharing this perspective. As a minimum, I would have expected transparency to go both ways: “btw, this is the sort of thing I would share with my primary”. His excuse that we had never discussed this feels lame: it is simply impossible to discuss everything at a theoretical level, and if he wanted to share something related to our sexual encounters the onus was on him to check with me (I am pretty responsive when it comes to messaging, all he had to do was remember that his sex life was also MY sex life).

Like I said in my previous reply, it was however his lack of support and accountability that has sunk this beyond repair. If I had made such a judgment error towards a partner I CARED about, I would have been all over him reassuring him that it would not happen again, that he was important to me and I wanted to work with him to repair trust. I had nothing like that from his side - I had to push several times for an actual apology which was not deflective (after I simmered in my own anger and disappointment for days while he enjoyed his weekend with his primary).
 
Why would she have to clean up his messes so you can feel better?

Even if she cleans up THIS mess... how does this change HIS behaviors so he doesn't ding you again?

Or... she wants parallel poly and she thinks he should clean up his own messes and not rope her into doing it for him. Or they are just weird over there. Who knows?
Oh, and on this one: it was a bit of a test to see if he was willing to crawl back to his partner and talk to her about it (he did). But also, I would not want to be involved with him further if the meta is not fully on board with what we agree. Her question reeks of insecurity after we had a perfect weekend and he booked flights to see me again for longer (four instead of three days). We were also discussing a holiday week together somewhere which he says they’ve never done in the 1.5 years they’ve been together (they don’t live together). She is a psychotherapist working with couples (some with open relationships), so I doubt she doesn’t know how harmful such a question can be. I would want her to know that I am not comfortable with anything but basics being shared (and she already has those), scheduling and new connections (to manage sexual risk). So if her support is not there I would prefer to step away and let them sort out their mess. But I agree that overall this doesn’t fix the bigger issue of him having no emotional intelligence and no empathy, nor great skills to manage things after the fact .
 
he deflected with “I am sorry for how my actions made you feel”, how it was not his intention and how for him transparency is important in relationships (just not transparency towards me to tell me this is the kind of thing he thinks is ok to share with his primary, I guess).

Ugh.

But I agree that overall this doesn’t fix the bigger issue of him having no emotional intelligence and no empathy, nor great skills to manage things after the fact .

Yup. Messy sounding guy. I'm sorry you had to deal in his weird.

Galagirl
 
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