Girlfriend's husband pulled a bait and switch?

burnay76

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Looking for people's take on a situation:

I'm seeing a woman for 4 months now. She is married with 4 children. Her husband also dates and is seeing 1 maybe 2 others.

Now, her and I are peas in a pod. quickly developing as much of a best friendship as becoming great lovers.

Before meeting me she split from her husband as over the course of her marriage she had cheated on several occasions and decided she couldn't be with just him (she has maintained several long longer term "affairs" in her marriages and she is just built to be non monogamous) . He decided to end it over her cheating. After several months he approached her to restart the relationship and agreed to her terms of a polyamorous relationship. This is an arrangement she is very happy with and she is very supportive of his exploration. Several months later I enter the picture.

It becomes pretty clear as time goes on that he's not okay with her being poly (but he's fine with him seeing other girls). There are terrible passive aggressive texts when she's with me. She's often moved to tears in the way she is approached and treated around the topic. I think he was sure that this would blow up in her face and then she found me.... I love and adore her. She gets along great with my wife, my 4 year year old even has a baby crush on her. She is a perfect fit so far.

Ethical nonmonogamy is often defined with "enthusiastic support of all involved." I begin to worry if I'm butting into a situation where his lack of enthusiasm makes me less than ethical. Then again I wrestle with the idea that there is no sense of fair play in a game where one person gets to change the rules to suit their whims. It's all further complicated by the fact that he is legally blind and reliant upon her. She stayed to care for him even after they had their brief split up (doing more of a co-parenting thing). She feels a strong sense of obligation to him (she loves him deeply). She insists he will eventually "come around" or he will eventually leave (he has a substantial inheritance that will take care of him for the rest of his life but he has never tapped it)... but she has no desire at this point to leave the relationship. She wants to continue to raise children together, etc.

I'm willing to simply let her navigate this on her own. I support her emotionally when she's having a rough day (I often know it's him but try to leave it unspoken). My concern is if folks think that I am acting unethically by maintaining this relationship. Is this a situation where I should say "figure out this other relationship before I get further involved" or is it okay to just butt out of their business and let her and my relationship grow organically?
 
Hi burnay76,

My vote is to let the relationship grow organically. If her husband doesn't like it, and doesn't want it, the onus is on him to come out and say it, rather than be passive-aggressive. You are supporting her emotionally when she's having a rough day, and I think that that level of involvement suffices. If her husband does tell her directly that he is opposed to her being poly, the onus will be on her to decide what to do about that. Right now she is choosing to remain with him, and that is her choice.

That's my vote anyway; I know others may disagree.
Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Depends on what you are personally okay with. How do you feel about it? Does it bother you, or are you worried about it on a personal level?

Are you happy with the relationship you have now, or do you wish there were changes in it?
 
I personally feel like I've found someone I should have known years ago! I'll struggle through just about anything at this point. I do feel guilty at times when I'm the cause of conflict....

Crazy example....

We prearranged a date to the Hollywood bowl on Friday and got a day use hotel near LA to spend some intimate time, have lunch, etc. Being the excellent and caring lover she is... well, she clipped her hair in her nether regions and left the clippers on the bathroom shelf at home to dry out.

text from him....

"Nice stunt leaving them out to remind me." He went on and on at her. Brought it up to her the next day even.

She left them out to dry like she always does!

Pretty much this was only a problem because HIS girlfriend cancelled a date due to flu and he was feeling rejected.

Arrrrgh! it's so frustrating!

I don't want to let this relationship go. She is too good for her own good.... and for me that means she is an amazing partner. We take care of each other so well. We talk out every disagreement to mutual resolution. We over communicate in all the right ways. Just this dude is so hung up. She can't see me for the next 4 days and they are doing family stuff. He's supportive all of a sudden. He is okay with her texting me. He even took a picture of her cooking dinner for the family to send to me. I love seeing that! They are all awesome people! She starts to feel like he's on board but when she takes a day away it all changes. He gets jealous I guess.

We are flying to Canada in November to see Fleetwood Mac (don't be jealous folks). That's 4 days away from him. We've never done that long! Is it going to be a nuclear war by phone? I worry.

:eek:
 
She doesn't have to reply to his texts.

She can set boundaries with him before she goes on a date. No starting fights just before she leaves. No intruding on her quality time with YOU while she's with you.

She can read a text, but if it's just a ploy for attention she does NOT have to answer it. And she can tell him that. He can deal with his own emotions while she's on her dates. She doesn't have to "carry his emotions." Women do that for men far too much.

That's some kind of sick dynamic they're in. I'm sorry, but poly does not work this way. She's probably grown out of this marriage, but she's in the habit of it, and afraid of change. Even if she loves him, she doesn't have to take this kind of treatment.

She doesn't need to cater to his whims this way. I think she has a bit of a caretaker white knight thing going on because of his disability. He's acting like a spoiled child who wants all the attention on himself. If she's there and he's in her spotlight, he's all content. Sends you pix. But once she's out of sight, if he isn't getting her positive attention, he bids for her negative attention. As long as it's attention. And she goes along with it. Why? Out of guilt?

You can set boundaries too. If your dates are continually ruined by these intrusive calls, you have a right to speak up. Not to him, to her. Tell her how these intrusions frustrate and upset you. Your dates don't have to go this way. Request she doesn't spend all this time on the phone getting yelled at. A quick good morning and/or good night text is all that's needed, barring TRUE emergencies. Clippers left on the bathroom counter are not an emergency.

Good poly practice is to give each dyad the space to enjoy each other and their own dynamic. You set your boundaries. She sets her boundaries. Make it clean and clear. This grey area sounds horrible.
 
I'm sorry you struggle. I'm with Mags.


Magyln said:
You can set boundaries too. If your dates are continually ruined by these intrusive calls, you have a right to speak up. Not to him, to her. Tell her how these intrusions frustrate and upset you. Your dates don't have to go this way. Request she doesn't spend all this time on the phone getting yelled at. A quick good morning and/or good night text is all that's needed, barring TRUE emergencies. Clippers left on the bathroom counter are not an emergency.

Firm it up on your end.

I don't want to let this relationship go. She is too good for her own good.... and for me that means she is an amazing partner. We take care of each other so well. We talk out every disagreement to mutual resolution. We over communicate in all the right ways. Just this dude is so hung up.

No. SHE is hung up on this dude.

He dumps her. Then he wants her back. And she says ok, even though when she was in it with him before, she did not enjoy the relationship. It was NOT working out for her. She used to cheat on agreements. That's how much it did not work for her.

Doesn't make any sense for her to go back to stuff that does not work. Why do it? It sounds like a weird situation to me.

Me? I would have just told him "No, thanks. We cannot get back together. We do not work well like that. Best we figure out how to be just decent coparents and not complicate things."

It becomes pretty clear as time goes on that he's not okay with her being poly (but he's fine with him seeing other girls). There are terrible passive aggressive texts when she's with me. She's often moved to tears in the way she is approached and treated around the topic.

Now he's verbally abusive and passive aggressively sniping at her on top of it? :confused:

Is it that she feels guilty for cheating on him in the past? So she thinks she has to "do time served" by allowing him to verbally abuse her? How long is the "sentence" then? When's she get done? :confused:

Cuz people in actual jail get to be let out at the end of time served.

It's all further complicated by the fact that he is legally blind and reliant upon her. She stayed to care for him even after they had their brief split up (doing more of a co-parenting thing). She feels a strong sense of obligation to him (she loves him deeply). She insists he will eventually "come around" or he will eventually leave (he has a substantial inheritance that will take care of him for the rest of his life but he has never tapped it)... but she has no desire at this point to leave the relationship. She wants to continue to raise children together, etc.

So basically he's good financially even though he is blind. He could make his way if they split up.

She wants to share coparenting. They can do that divorced.

She wants to keep loving him. Well, might be a lot easier apart -- because after a while together living with the chronic sniping? That love will erode.

Where in this list is the part where she wants to sign up to be his FREE patient caregiver and put up with verbal abuse and reducing her to tears? :confused:

To me? I think you are participating in a weird sounding situation. I think you could take a step back.

If it was me in these shoes?

  • Option 1 for me would be to tell her I cannot date her if she's all in a mess with her ex-husband/not ex-husband whatever he is. Sort all that out first, THEN call me.
  • Option 2 if I were to stay in it? It would have to be VERY separate V. If she has poor boundaries with him? Then I would have to have better boundaries with HER behavior and not allow it around me. Whatever she has going on with him on that side of things? Leave it over there.

text from him....

"Nice stunt leaving them out to remind me." He went on and on at her. Brought it up to her the next day even.

She left them out to dry like she always does!

I don't need to be hearing any of that from her. I could tell her to stop telling me her wacky stories about him. She's the one picking him out to date. Not me. So I do not need to know her problems with him.

He's being passive aggressive or acting out. He chooses that behavior.

In response? She's the one not exercising firm boundaries when he behaves poorly. She is letting it slide over and over.

She could make other choices instead like letting his texts go to voice mail. She doesn't have to answer. She could expect him to deal with his own emotional management. She could dump him if he's being all mean to her.

I do not think that they share healthy relating. But I don't pick him out to keep dating/living with. So if she picks him out? Leave it over there on that side. Do not involve me for more than calendar and safer sex/health stuff. Past that? Her issue. You don't intrude on their time on that side of the V with calls and stuff, right? She and him don't interrupt THIS side of the V. So if she's interrupting your date time with her answering every one of his beeps? Ask her to stop and turn the phone off, let it go to voice mail, be PRESENT.

She can't see me for the next 4 days and they are doing family stuff. He's supportive all of a sudden. He is okay with her texting me. He even took a picture of her cooking dinner for the family to send to me. I love seeing that!

I suspect he is not "really ok with it now" -- it's just him rubbing it in at you that she's with HIM right now. So NO. I would not want to see cooking pix even if I love those. I do not wish to participate in their weird dynamic over there even remotely. Because stuff from that side of the V whether good or bad? Stays over THERE. On that side. Don't bother me.

If it were me?

  • I would not like how he treats her.
  • I would like how she treats herself -- putting up with the unhealthy passive aggressive stuff.
  • I would not want to teach my kids to let that stuff slide. If they have children who watch how the father treats the mother like this? They are gonna think that is "normal" and "how it is done." Is she happy with that idea?
  • I don't want to be in the middle of that if he looses it and wants to take out aggressions on me.

When she is ACTUALLY free? Look me up.

Because I don't want to be the bandaid/enabling/emotional dumpster person. Like I comfort and console her so she feels better in the moment but then nothing really changes long term. She just goes again for another round with him. That's same ol' song, different day.
Endless stink. And that's gonna get old to me.

That's also not solving anything for real for HER. I wouldn't want to be an enabler.

Sigh.

I feel bad for you all. I'm not you though. You have to make your own choices on this and decide where YOU draw you line in the sand. But if there is no rose smelling choice? Pick the least stinky choice for you then.

For you? I think the least stinky is backing off entirely and telling her to sort out her situation because you do not exist to be her life raft so she can keep putting up with the sniping better because she gets "pockets of oasis" with you.

Or... keep on doing the "pockets of oasis" but only if she stops "leaking" stuff on to your side of the V. You don't pick him out to date. Why do you need to know about him and all his wacky stuff? So she can stop telling you all her problems with him. Seek a counselor / neutral party to tell and air out with instead.

You cannot be that sounding board because you are IN the system. Exercise firmer personal boundaries with her.

GL!
Galagirl
 
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Is it ethical? That's a good question. In this instance I will say yes. He has no problem dating others. He is basically being abusive to her with his behavior. But...

See it from his POV. He is handicapped and she cheated on him. That makes for some low self-esteem. It's no wonder he is acting out. Hopefully he resolves those issues. BTW, I would bet his supportive behavior was also passive-agressive. He was just rubbing your face in the fact he was with your girlfriend. He probably thinks that sort of thing would bother you, like it does him.

It can be difficult dating someone who is in a relationship and new to poly. You never know what's going to happen. You have to decide if you are up for that sort of uncertainty. I'd be wary of going all in.

I'll end by saying that once again this is a case of the wrong person asking for advice. Your girlfriend is the one who needs to make some changes, as does her husband. You seem to be the one most clear-headed.
 
Your girlfriend is a sloppy hinge.

You do not have a husband problem. The problem is your girlfriend. It is her job to not allow relationship bleed over.
 
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