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Yes there are still a few, but I'm not sure how different they are compared to single people dating.

They're not, really. The difference is that for the most part, single people have a lot more to offer with fewer obstacles and conditions. The limitations are not due to someone's unwavering romantic commitment to another person.

This part is really important because on the face of it, polyamory seems to be about acknowledging the significant romantic connections in your partner's life. However, the truth is that for most people, it DOES make a difference if a limitation is in place due to another partner.

That's why a lot of the people who *would not* tolerate a partner who wasn't permitted to sleepover by way of a relationship agreement with a spouse, *would* consider an otherwise compatible partner who just preferred to sleep alone, or had caregiving responsibilities that meant they couldn't be away or with company at night.

The limitation itself isn't a dealbreaker, it's the way you express your commitment to someone else exclusively.

So long story short, any condition you set for the other person (particularly as a het married man seeking additional women) seems at least twice as "demanding" because you already have a lot to work around.

He has a fear of finding someone that he connects with but does like or want me around.

This is always a risk in polyamory. However, although it might seem like dating the same person is a way to avoid this happening, it often works the other way. It doesn't comfort the other party to know that they could, in theory, build the same kind of intimate connection with one or both of you. It just serves as a constant reminder that they'll never have what you have because they just can't.

This is where distance actually helps a lot of people. You can really focus on the uniqueness of your own connection with someone when you aren't immersed in their marital environment.
 
I promise I'm not a troll. Just rusty at peopleing.

The depression started after 2020/Covid, but was made even worse over the last 2 years by my medical issues and then getting fired. We chose to move into the camper in 2018 to be able to travel as a family for his job. He was furloughed in 2020 and things have been rocky financially ever since. We are working toward fixing it and are making a lot of progress.

Poly came into our scope of possible life choices in 2008/09. Were introduced to the idea by Mormons, but we made several friends through chat rooms, then late in person, who were non-religious and have a sister-wives type situation. We're not religious and don't and will not tolerate the cult practices of forced marriages to young girls and all that goes with that.
You know you could get out, do things, join groups, have social interactions, but you're still too depressed to want to.
The depression is now a big part of that, but it started years before. Mostly I let myself lose my identity. I've only recently realized that I'm not sure who I am, other than Joey's wife and a mother. I felt guilty doing anything that didn't include him. He never made me feel that way. He wants me to have a life and always has. I would love for him to have friends that he spends time with without me. He wants that too. I would feel less guilty about having a life. But he's not a guy's guy. He doesn't watch sports. He would play cards, but has never been asked. I do remember him mentioning setting up a game, but it never materialized.

It was easier to make friends when we lived in a campground, but that's not our situation anymore. We are Harley people, and that helped us be more social for a while, but it's seasonal and I'm a passenger. Now we have a Jeep, so that might help.
To be a desirable dating partner, you need to have your mental health things managed. You need to be under a doctor's care, and following the health plan you decide on together. You need to be happier within yourself. It's not fair to expect a friend to "make you happy." Sure, they can enhance your life, perk you up, listen to your troubles, but you can't cling to them like a life raft. That's not fair to them. You need to be able to give as well as take.
The main reason I said now is as good of a time as any is because I'm just starting this journey again. I want to make those connections and friendships again. I expect it will take a while before finding anyone who we might want to date or who's interested in us. It was 6 months or better last time. The day I made this account was day 2 for me getting going again. Reading, researching, thinking all took up day 1. I have to start somewhere. While I'm making friendships, I'll be working on myself. I'm actively thinking about painting again. I have 3 or 4 paintings living in my head at any moment.

I don't expect a new friend to make me happy, and honestly, in most of my friendships, I'm the one giving. I don't lean on others well. I don't tell my best friend most of what's happening in my life. I'm her venting board. I help her work through her stuff. But new relationship energy is also a real thing. I know it won't fix anything. I still have to work on that myself, but it can provide a boost, be something to look forward to.

I don't object to a romantic relationship with a woman. I know I'm not in the right head space to pursue one RIGHT NOW. But I can start making friends. We don't have to date the first woman we come across. She could be someone we are friends with at first and we (all 3) decide to date later.

I guess what I'm hoping for our dating journey to look like is:
*While working on myself and making new (internet) friends, I see a profile, or she finds mine, we say "hey," and the conversation progresses.
* We get to know each other electronically, then progress to text, phone call, meet-ups if she's local. 2-4 weeks time, depending on life.
*Then, hey, we're getting along, I'd like to introduce you to hubby. Hubby, this is nice lady. I think she's great, y'all should talk. Conversation commences.
* They get along well. She and I continue our friendship while discussing what we (as in each of us) want the future to look like. He and nice lady are building a friendship, as well, through calls while he's driving, texts, chats and video calls when he's not, building a long-distance relationship, for lack of a better phrase.
* More time passes. Everyone is getting emotionally attached, we start seriously looking at what the next steps are and make those changes. Time frame could be anything, because all relationships move at different paces.
* We become a family, whatever that looks like.

This is all IDEALLY. I am completely aware that there are a lot of hurdles and emotions and bridges to cross to get there. This is only an ideal outline.
 
Thank you for more info.

I think there's maybe "pre-work" stuff for you, Hubby, and you-two-together to do first.

YOU
  • Address health things you have to work on before you start poly dating so you can offer yourself as a healthy dating partner or healthy meta.
    • Depression
    • Feeling guilty about doing things on your own without hubby
    • Getting past break-up fears
    • Figuring out who you are besides "wife and mother"
      • Getting back into painting
      • Getting a new job
    • Getting past this unwillingness to share/be vulnerable/let other people in. Not even your best friend gets to know "real you." You exist to be her sounding board, but it doesn't sound like you let her do the same for you.
HUBBY
  • Working on social skills like actually organizing card games himself, rather than waiting to be invited.
  • Not relying on you so much to do stuff for him (and you not enabling).
  • Getting past his break-up fears or his fear of dating someone without you involved somehow.
BOTH
  • Then there's things BOTH of you have to consider/work on.
    • Stabilizing finances
    • Maybe moving the camper to a better community when you can afford to move it. It sounds like you were happier in past communities, and moving to rural TN due to COVID and other issues has been kind of lonesome for you.
    • Getting back into Harley groups.
    • There's also some worrying about what the extended relatives will think/say when they don't really seem to matter in your actual life.
    • If you and husband are codependent, you might also consider www.coda.org and/or Recovery International. https://www.recoveryinternational.org
    • This rejection fear... is that like RSD? Are either of you dealing in neurodivergent things like autism, ADHD or other stuff? That might be something else adding to the stress.

The day I made this account was day 2 for me getting going again. Reading, researching, thinking all took up day 1. I have to start somewhere. While I'm making friendships, I'll be working on myself. I'm actively thinking about painting again. I have 3 or 4 paintings living in my head at any moment.

One day of research and you are ready to start posting profiles for poly dating? I think you could slow your roll and spend some time educating yourselves.

I posted "The Most Skipped Step" here.


You might also read the other skipped step.



You might also read Opening Up free online or borrow a copy from the library.


Read/listen to Multiamory.

There are many other resources, as well.

It's ok to slow down some so this next attempt can go WELL.

Galagirl
 
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Please feel free to share more about your mental and physical health needs here, or to DM me, if it makes you feel too vulnerable to post on the board. We (the hive mind), or I, or another member in DMs, might be able to help you brainstorm about getting you to a better place.
Thank you for this. I wasn't sure if I'd get hate for posting about mental health outside of an assigned category for it.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm broken or on the spectrum.

The depression started in 2020, because we lost so much and our life changed in ways that we never wanted. And I was angry about it. The best I could do was neutral for a long time. I had just gotten through health issues that led to a hysterectomy in Dec 2019. I was finally starting to feel better, than bam! 2020 (right after I was finally getting clients to paint for). We moved from Wyoming to Texas 3 weeks before the world shut down. Spent 3 and a half months in TX, blew through most of our savings, and then we decided to move back to TN to be near family for support. We didn't and still don't want to be here.

But we found jobs. Started making friends. Started trying to make the best of it. That's when I met my best friend. She was the only "real" person I met while working at my job. After 2 years, changing departments and locations twice, I was laid off February of last year. And big mad about it. It wasn't a mass layoff. I was the only one. It was only a few months ago that I found out the real reasons why, and they didn't have anything to do with me. (There are so many details and nuances.) Also, somewhere in the middle of all of this, I started getting panic and anxiety attacks. I've been told it's a side effect of the hysterectomy. I'm not on HRT (dr. said it is not needed) or antidepressants (past history of taking them after our daughter died. I can't take them.).

I found another job within 2 weeks, but I wasn't thrilled with it. I'm a good worker with a strong work ethic. I just wanted my old job back. 6 weeks after starting at the new job I suffered from an optical migraine that triggered trigeminal neuralgia. (I found out after about 3 months what it was.) So now I'm mad and in pain, ALL THE TIME. This was April of last year. While I'm going to the dr. to find out what is wrong with me, I also find out I have 2 bulging disks in my neck. That's the reason my arms have been in pain since 2009. This brings us to July. Through all of this, I'm still working, trying to be a wife and mother, still trying to do the adulting, still trying to go to the gym (though I found out it was causing things to get worse physically; I was fighting through), going to physical therapy (which was also making it worse), taking my medicine like a good girl (a happy side effect was increased libido!). Still trying to be human. I found an even keel and found neutral again. Then in February this year, I made a financial mistake at work and was fired.

It was ok for a while. It allowed me to heal some. I'm not in constant pain anymore. I've been applying to jobs and going to interviews, but no callbacks. To fill my time I wrote a cookbook and it's starting to get traction on Amazon. Not much, but some. Now that I'm not in constant pain and on pain meds all the time, the fog is finally starting to lift and I'm taking a good look at who I've become, and fighting the depression spiral that could come from those realizations. Somewhere along the way I lost who I was and I'm not sure who I am now. Do I try to become the girl I was, or make something new of myself? What would that look like? I've lost neutral again, which has made the anxiety come back. If I feel things emotionally, I get panic attacks. It sucks to be me sometimes.

Joey has tried to support me as much as I would let him. He's a bit lost on how to help, and I'm sure somewhere inside he's mad that he's lost his wife, though he would never tell me for fear of making it worse. He really is a good guy. Maybe a small part of poly for him is having someone else to help him care for me. He's never said so or hinted at it, just my thoughts.

If you've read this far, thank you. I tried to make it as concise as possible. I know I was rambling at the end. Sorry for that too. Why is it easier to open up to internet strangers?
 
Thank you for all of the resources. I have them all opened in new tabs for tomorrow's reading, BUT FYI, your "Opening Up" archive.org link says they don't have the info anymore. But I'll try to find it elsewhere.

I think I addressed at least most of what you said in your post before I even read it. Unfortunately, I'm not a slow-down person. I have to be actively engaging in the new project daily, almost to the point of excluding everything else. If I miss even a couple of days because of other things, I will forget I was even working on it and it'll be gone. Or at least gone for months before I remember it again, then I have to start over.

I've been really emotionally overwhelmed the past few days. Talking about it here has helped give me some perspective.

Hubby admits he's ADHD, and I suspect he's on the spectrum. And I suspect I'm both, as well. It will never go past that, though. We're Gen X'ers and all that implies. We suck it up, bury it deep and carry on, for better or worse.

There's more to our story and I might divulge it later. It's hard to expose myself that freely. Thank you, everyone, for your help and advice. It's nice to have someone listen, even if it is internet strangers.
 
The website seems to be down, but you could check again later when it's back up again.
I have to be actively engaging in the new project daily, almost to the point of excluding everything else.

Is that like ADHD hyper-fixation?

Hubby admits he's ADHD, and I suspect he's on the spectrum. And I suspect I'm both, as well. It will never go past that, though. We're Gen X'ers and all that implies. We suck it up, bury it deep and carry on for better or worse.

Is that way of going still serving you well? Is it financial blocks, health insurance blocks, or something else?

GG
 
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Just going to chime in to say you're a good writer. That's definitely an advantage when meeting people online.
 
There's so much to this, and everyone is doing such a great job, I don't really have much to add.

I will say that you are in a REALLY tough spot, both in life and what you are looking for. I think both of you getting into therapy and working on yourselves is paramount. But not having time or money for that makes it incredibly difficult. I'd also recommend you both see a poly-friendly therapist to help you more in your journey.

Hubby would have a very hard time finding a partner, even if he were monogamous, with the combination of social anxiety and lack of available time, that is anything other than casual. People, generally, want to spend time together to create that CONTINUED connection.

I cannot imagine you being able to find a friend that's into hubby and be okay with the premise of this friendship being about finding a partner for hubby. I would feel used and violated by someone who was supposed to be my friend.

I'd also recommend not calling it polyamory or looking for poly people. Polyamory has a pretty specific agreed-upon consensus and you are looking for something far from it. Instead, I would suggest ethical or consensual non-monogamy (ENM or CNM). Using these terms will more likely find you options for dates... maybe from an ant in a haystack to a needle? Not much, but ENM folks do relationships differently than poly folks and you definitely want to do things differently.

You might actually do the best looking for a non-religious sister wife... Just put it out there. Sometimes the best success is stating what you want without sugar-coating it... But DO NOT DO THIS in polyamorous boards!! You will invite a bunch of unkind responses, because this is everything polyamory isn't. You will probably be fine on ENM boards, though.
 
Both the triad and vee relationship mentioned by the OP would qualify as polyamory. Closed triads and OPPs are still polyamory.

If the third party is being recruited to either be the partner of a married poly guy or the partner of a married couple, then it meets the criteria of polyamory.

Remember polyamory doesn't mean "the relationship configurations I approve of and desire". Polyamory means multiple intimate relationships with the knowledge of everyone involved. Both a vee and a triad would meet that standard.
 
Is that like ADHD hyperfixation?
Based on my internet research and self-diagnosis, it probably is.
We suck it up, bury it deep and carry on for better or worse.
Is that way of going still serving you well? Is it financial blocks or health insurance blocks, or something else?
Nope, but there's nothing I can do but tackle it on my own. It's financial, insurance, and other. Some is a deeply ingrained belief that no will or can help. Gotta do everything yourself. Generational trauma, I expect. Then, and this will put a negative light on Joey, but he has a down to the bones hatred of therapy. He was in marriage counseling with his ex-wife and he's said that everything was turned into his fault. I don't remember the details, but that's the short version. He also had a very bad experience with a therapist he had to see after our daughter died. I can't remember why he had to go, but it was bureaucratic, not legal. He also has a deeply-held belief that therapists have no incentive for you to get better, so they will never actually help you. He doesn't put a firm line on much, but this is one. I've never pushed it.
Hubby would have a very hard time finding a partner, even if he were monogamous, with the combination of social anxiety and lack of available time, that is anything other than casual.
Funny enough, I'm the one who originally approached him when we met. Girl power and all of that. He later admitted he was too intimidated to approach me.
I cannot imagine you being able to find a friend that's into hubby and be okay with the premise of this friendship was about finding a partner for hubby. I would feel used and violated by someone who was supposed to be my friend.
This is why I've never approached a friend about it. I've told my friends what we are interested in, but never asked anyone outright. We've only dated people from sites similar to this one for this reason. It's upfront what we are looking for and how we hope to proceed.

I'd also recommend not calling it polyamory or looking for poly people.
Both the triad and vee relationship mentioned by the OP would qualify as polyamory. Closed triads and OPPs are still polyamory.

If the third party is being recruited to either be the partner of a married poly guy or the partner of a married couple, then it meets the criteria of polyamory.

Remember polyamory doesn't mean "the relationship configurations I approve of and desire". Polyamory means multiple intimate relationships with the knowledge of everyone involved. Both a vee and a triad would meet that standard.
Thank you. We've always referred to this life in general as a "poly" relationship. Referring to the relationship as a V or N, closed, or triads wasn't really a thing in the circles we were in in the past. I'm still reading to see which one best fits us so I can use the proper language.

Ethical or consensual non-monogamy
This is also new for me. I think it's what used to be referred to as an open marriage, but I'm looking into it. Thank you.
Just going to chime in to say you're a good writer. That's definitely an advantage when meeting people online.
Thank you. I think words are important to reduce confusion. I also believe if someone doesn't understand what I'm trying to explain, it's my responsibility to find the right words and try again.

Thank you all. I'm going to spend some time today reading, and I think I'm going to get my paints out. I need time to process. I'm also going to pull down my "searching for..." post. You're right, I need to do some more work first, but I still want to stay active here and hopefully make friends.
 
Based on my internet research and self-diagnosis, it probably is.

Probably a good reason to slow down and not leap into poly dating. One of my kids has ADHD and in their dating they wait 4 mos before asking someone out to make sure it's "real attraction" and not "hyperfixation attraction."
Nope, but there's nothing I can do but tackle it on my own. It's financial, insurance, and other. Some is a deeply ingrained belief that no will or can help. Gotta do everything yourself. Generational trauma, I expect.
So less "Gen X" and more other obstacles like finances, insurance, and super independence as a result of generational trauma.

Also explains why you are so eager to create "a new family" with Lady -- one you can actually rely on rather than how it is with both sides in your families of origin.

Then, and this will put a negative light on Joey, but he has a down to the bones hatred of therapy. He was in marriage counseling with his ex-wife and he's said that everything was turned into his fault. I don't remember the details, but that's the short version. He also had a very bad experience with a therapist he had to see after our daughter died. I can't remember why he had to go, but it was bureaucratic, not legal. He also has a deeply-held belief that therapists have no incentive for you to get better, so they will never actually help you. He doesn't put a firm line on much, but this is one. I've never pushed it.

Not every doc that graduated graduates at the top of the class. Sometimes they just aren't the right fit for the client or don't offer the right modalities.

Doesn't mean that when you are in a better position, you can't seek or access health care for YOU. Your health care is your responsibility. His health care is his.

Rural TN sounds challenging, but when ready you could try calling the local NAMI chapter and local schools. Sometimes colleges do "sliding scale" counseling provided by grad students under the supervision of a professor. The students get credit and the community gets more helpers. There's online things like Recovery International.

There's lots of books on ADHD and other topics -- you don't need a formal dx to start reading and trying some of the life management tips to see if it helps you any.

Galagirl
 
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I can see how dating could be a much more difficult road for someone on the autism spectrum. I have many people in my life now and in the past who are on the spectrum (3 nephews, my dad, an ex, to name a few). They are all unique, of course, but the common qualities of autism, such as discomfort with eye contact, varying degrees of verbal abilities, aversion to touch, monologuing, lack of empathy, lower ability to pick up on social clues, or read facial expressions or body language, a tendency to rage when thwarted, have caused them to struggle with making and keeping friends and seeking and sustaining relationships with partners.

But in some ways, they can be good partners, loyal, intelligent, great with fixing tech around the house, good employees/wage earners in certain fields, often fiercely devoted parents and animal lovers, and so on. And it's true that online dating can be great pathways to finding partners for them.

Added to this, my long-term partner Pixi is also neurodiverse-- she has ADHD, which comes with its own challenges. Nevertheless, she has many friends who deeply love and trust her, and has been with me 15 years and her bf 10. :) <3 I've learned to work with her special needs, especially working with her on not losing things and being less messy. lol But she definitely goes through fads, becoming hyper-fixated on a certain kind of craft or computer-related thing, only to drop it after a few months.

She had a lot of trauma growing up (partly because those same ADHD qualities, and/or OCD run in the family). She is Gen X, but she benefitted greatly from talk therapy. She went weekly for seven years, starting just before we met. I'm sorry Joey has had terrible experiences with therapy. :(
 
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