Her NRE and my trauma response

polywollydoodle

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Hi. New here and new to poly. Sort of. I’ve been deeply happily married to my wife for 20 years.

Our first decade together she was constantly jealous and mistrusting of me, making sure I was never attracted to other women, though I never gave her any reason to. If you had asked me if I thought monogamy was natural, I would have said not at all. But I have always been in love with her and never considered even flirting with anyone else.

Then, after ten years together, she discovered ENM/polyamory while having a powerful sexual awakening. She is the last woman you would’ve expected to want an open marriage, but her sudden growth was powerful. It was exciting, but she also put tremendous pressure on me to open and at a pace I was very uncomfortable with and scared by. I begged her to slow down and be so careful with our precious marriage. And, afraid of being left behind, I insisted she not do anything until I did.

Frustrated with me, she encouraged me to use Tinder. I quickly met someone to date casually and my wife was off like a race horse, the next day going out with a guy she had waiting, and taking off their clothes in his car.

My shock at how quickly she moved and how pent-up her need for this was, in retrospect, painful to me. But what guy would complain about the gift of his wife setting them both free like that? I thought I’d won the lottery.

But it brought up pain from before and during our marriage. Regardless, we plunged ahead, not knowing what we were doing, really. She slept with a lot of guys. I saw the one woman regularly until she lost interest. Still, the experiences and sex with her, and at home with my wife, had been exhilarating. I felt so alive. But the best thing about it all was the honesty and discovery we’d found in each other through being open. We had never been so truthful, even with ourselves before.

Then, without even looking, I met someone. We both fell hard and had a passionate, deeply-felt affair, until she suddenly ghosted me without explanation. I was devastated, and the whole open marriage ride came crashing down on me. I didn’t handle it well and, weighed by other very hard things at the time (work, financial troubles, parenting our kids) I had a breakdown and fell into a real depression.

This wreaked havoc on my marriage for several months, and reverberated for years afterward. I handled my reaction to everything badly and traumatized my wife for a long time. She’s still not over it.

But we got through it. We moved across the country to a dream house, and had the third child we always wanted. We were mostly happily monogamous again for the next ten years while we repaired our relationship, though she did most of the work.

Despite everything, I always wanted to open again, but my wife adamantly did not. She said she’d gotten carried away and it nearly destroyed our marriage. I would never trade my wife for anything in the world. She is the reason for my life. So I accepted closing. But you can’t unknow the things you’ve learn. We stuffed the lid back over Pandora’s box, but inside myself, it was, if not a lie, a game of knowing denial. What I missed most was not the sexual freedom, it was the honesty.

My wife even reverted back to old monogamous jealousies, always asking if she was the only one I was attracted to. I would nod and say yes, both of us knowing it was a ridiculous lie. Believe it or not, though, my wife is the most emotionally intelligent person I’ve ever met. And I know she has just been trying to keep our love alive and marriage together.

Then about four months ago, seemingly out of nowhere, she started having a second sexual awakening. She’s back! I couldn’t believe it. She wanted to see other people again, this time with all we had learned about each other and communicating, older and wiser. This time I wanted to be more mature and loving and calm about it. I said she was free again, and I would let things happen organically for me.

Of course, because she’s a woman, she found someone immediately. She started seeing him regularly. I was so turned on and happy for her. Our honesty and sex life came roaring back to life again. It was a second chance. I swore I wouldn’t look this gift horse in the mouth and do anything to fuck it up.

But I’ve hit a big wall. We said we’d be more careful and slow. But my wife evidently has a hard time doing just that. Within six weeks, she said she was in love and talking about this brand-new relationship as long term. She's eager for us to meet.

This time I have handled it much better. I’ve been genuinely happy for her. I understand that we all have feelings and love, and that’s the point of all of this. But her NRE has become a ride that I am hanging onto. There has been so much for me to process and adjust to. Despite my head being fine with it all, my heart started hurting. I’ve never experienced the love of my life falling in love with another man. It’s gone from mild jealousy to real pain.

Once again, I asked her to slow down. She says she didn’t mean to fall in love, and she can’t help her feelings. She’s avoided the idea of slowing down. She just wants us to work through my feelings without making her feel put in a cage, or hurting her boyfriend of three months. She often puts his feelings and experiences on par with mine. And talks about the future in terms of years without asking me if I am ok being connected to this stranger for the rest of my life.

Last weekend, I gently told her over and over that I needed her to slow down. She agreed and said that we needed to talk about what that meant but couldn’t have that conversation for a few days.

Then, the next day, on Monday morning, I went to our shared private office and walked in on the two of them. The boyfriend, who I hadn’t met, was just pulling up his pants. I went into a panic of betrayal and left. The rest of the day my wife was apologizing, saying she was going to tell me after, and didn’t think it would be a problem, because he’d stopped by our office in previous days to fuck her and I’d been ok with it. (She’d told me after the fact then, too, so what choice did I have?) I said, You call this slowing down? And she insisted that she didn’t think it counted, because it was so brief, and that she can’t read my mind.

So look, I don’t want to control my wife’s feelings or her sex life. It’s exciting and beautiful and arousing to me and I love hearing about it. But the last few days and weeks I have felt betrayed and triggered like never before and am now in full blown fight or flight, trauma response.

I don’t want to close up again, but my wife is so resistant to even pausing for a month (that it’s too late for that and would hurt her and her boyfriend) and holds over me that she will feel repressed with me, because what moves her and attracts her to me the most is when I allow her this freedom. She’s not insensitive to me. She’s been crying with me and is in pain that I’m in pain. She told me over and over that she would never leave me, while I sobbed.

She says we might not be able to handle all this. I think we can, and that the light at the end of this tunnel will be brighter than any other. But I feel stuck and in terrible pain. She says this is what I wanted and I said but it’s not how I wanted it. I know life is never how we expect it to be. But I am utterly unprepared to face so quickly a mourning for the marriage we’ve had and for who my girl has been to me for twenty years. I know those things are normal and I can embrace them and celebrate the new normal as even better and more alive than the old normal. But the speed feels like when the doors dropped on Normandy beach and the guns opened fire. The price for freedom?

I’ve reached out to a therapist who does somatic and Eastern-based relationship therapy, and I’m optimistic that I can clear out the old trauma that this is obviously bringing up. I want my wife to experience love, just as I would expect the same gift from her in return. I want to be able to not only endure her feelings, but love them all, and without the crutch of trying to balance it out by finding another woman for myself.

But her NRE is out of control, and plowing through my intense pain is only making it worse.

Any thoughts?
 
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I'm sorry this is happening.

What might help somewhat are boundaries and specific agreements. She's basically right that she can't pause a relationship with her boyfriend for a month, just like that, but reasonable stuff to ask her might be something like:
- what places are off limits for them sharing sex
- whether you are getting enough 1 on 1 time, and whether she can refrain from texting on her phone for that focused time
- for her to still do her part of shared responsibilities (you don't mention childcare, but is there?)
- what info you want to know and what you just don't want to hear (it sounds like less might be better)
- regular checkups and/or therapy
- possibly a pause on new relationships

Can you think anything else, short of them taking a break, that would help you?

Her switching sexuality off and on again sounds somewhat extreme. Is there also some known underlying mental health issue?

Otherwise, please take your time to care for yourself. In my climate zone, now it's time to enjoy the emerging spring sun.
 
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Hey PWD. Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for providing a brief backstory. It really helps in understanding the dynamic/situation.

Upon opening the first time, did either if you do any kind of research ainto what you were getting into? Pitfalls or NRE/poly hell, risks, etc.

Did you have an understanding and/or agreement as to whether your particular structure was going to be poly or ENM? It seems like you went in different directions.

How long were you open the first time around?

And lastly, did either of you do any preemptive reading before attempting this time? Sorry to say, just because you’re 10 yrs older doesn't mean you’re any more equipped. You say your wife is the emotionally intelligent one, and yet she went off the rails (in your opinion) twice.

Where is your shared private office, in your home or offsite? There’s nuance to some of this stuff as to what’s being thoughtless or reckless and what’s being directly insensitive, being empathetic after the fact vs being respectful in forethought.
 
I think you have had some great advice already. I just wanted to add my agreement that there should be some safe off-limit spaces so you won't be walking in on them-- what a shock that had to be!! I would also have reacted strongly, not having been prepared for that! It sounds like she's not being at all sensitive to your needs. While she won't be able to pause the relationship with her lover, she can definitely carve out safe space and time for the two of you. I do wonder if she's going through some kind of hormonal or mental health thing. You sound like a very nice partner to try to be supportive of her growth, and examine your own feelings in all this.
 
I'm sorry this is happening.

What might help somewhat are boundaries and specific agreements. She's basically right that she can't pause a relationship with her boyfriend for a month, just like that, but reasonable stuff to ask her might be something like:
- what places are off limits for them sharing sex
- whether you are getting enough 1 on 1 time, and whether she can refrain from texting on her phone for that focused time
- for her to still do her part of shared responsibilities (you don't mention childcare, but is there?)
- what info you want to know and what you just don't want to hear (it sounds like less might be better)
- regular checkups and/or therapy
- possibly a pause on new relationships

Can you think anything else, short of them taking a break, that would help you?

Her switching sexuality off and on again sounds somewhat extreme. Is there also some known underlying mental health issue?

Otherwise, please take your time to care for yourself. In my climate zone, now it's time to enjoy the emerging spring sun.
Hi there. Actually our one-on-one time has been pretty good, considering how challenging other parts of our life are. And roommate and childcare stuff has never been an issue with us. We’ve always done living together well.

I would love to insist that she pause her new relationship for a month or two. I was this close to doing just that after the incident last week, but I caught my breath and we are trying to work through this. She has agreed to scale back from one day and one overnight a week to just the overnight.

I’m looking forward to meeting with a therapist, and have told her that she needs one too, both individually and for us as a couple. I don’t think she necessarily has mental health issues, but you are right that her behavior has been extreme and it’s caused havoc to my system. To be fair, despite the overall joy of our 20 years together, her early self suppressions and oppressions of me, followed by the whiplash of opening up in such a shocking and reckless way, triggered my own irresponsible responses, and I did some damage to her in return.

So it’s all coming up again for both of us. But she has acknowledged that there are a lot of things that she should’ve been far more sensitive and less selfish about. Either way, I feel shut down and stuck, and I hope we can both resolve this. My wish is that we could go back a few months and insist she not open up so recklessly again. But the damage is done and now it will take some repair. It will be even harder while she is still seeing someone. But one day at a time, I guess. Thank you so much for your help.
 
Hey PWD. Welcome to the forum.

Thanks for providing a brief backstory. It really helps in understanding the dynamic/situation.

Upon opening the first time, did either if you do any kind of research ainto what you were getting into? Pitfalls or NRE/poly hell, risks, etc.

Did you have an understanding and/or agreement as to whether your particular structure was going to be poly or ENM? It seems like you went in different directions.

How long were you open the first time around?

And lastly, did either of you do any preemptive reading before attempting this time? Sorry to say, just because you’re 10 yrs older doesn't mean you’re any more equipped. You say your wife is the emotionally intelligent one, and yet she went off the rails (in your opinion) twice.

Where is your shared private office, in your home or offsite? There’s nuance to some of this stuff as to what’s being thoughtless or reckless and what’s being directly insensitive, being empathetic after the fact vs being respectful in forethought.
Hi there. Thank you.

The first time, she had done some research and passed it on to me. At the time, there wasn’t nearly as much information as there is now. I hadn’t even heard the term ENM until a few months ago. No, we obviously, stupidly didn’t do enough research or preparation either time. I just trusted that she knew enough about it and knew what we were doing.

But you’re right, whatever her emotional intelligence levels, she’s not perfect and I have to trust my own instincts more. When she gets carried away with something, she has a hard time hearing me, and when I try to bring her attention to the seriousness of something, especially my fears and needs, she feels attacked, and was even forced to admit recently that subconsciously may be trying to punish me for any of the times I’ve heard her in the past. A lot of it is old childhood stuff and she really doesn’t mean to do it. But the result is that she does go off the rails and I go with her.

The first time, we talked about it for several months. We were open about 9 months before things fell apart for me. This time it’s been since December, with maybe two weeks of bare minimum discussion before she had sex with someone. Six weeks after that they were saying I love you.

Our office is a private rented office offsite, just for the two of us. In fact, it’s where they met, first kissed and first had sex. She brought him there a couple other times and told me after the fact. I said it was fine. Privately it may have bothered me that things were going a little rogue, but it didn’t bother me enough, and I chalked it up to a moment of adjusting, and I didn’t want to be controlling.

I genuinely was happy, for the most part, about her relationship, at first. And I’ve never been sexually jealous. It turns me on and I love to hear about it. But it got so serious so fast that I wasn’t prepared for what it brought up. Sex is one thing. Falling hard in love the minute the gates opened is another.

But even that has made me (and her) feel crazy, because I told her the first time, years ago, as well as this time, both before and after the infamous office incident, that she was free to love whoever she wants, and have feelings. I know she has so much love to give and needs to give it and receive it.

I genuinely believe that. So it’s been a shock to me that it’s been a shock to me. I really want to get over it. My head understands, but my body is screaming.

I knew enough to ask her to slow down and tell her I was hurting by end of January. It got so that I got a fever that turned to pneumonia. My two weeks in bed, while she took great care of me-- she counted that as the pause from her boyfriend that I’d asked for.

I again told her I needed to go slower. She said OK, but often in the same breath would say that it would be hard on her and her boyfriend. She is able to find polyamory advice that supports what she wants, and denies what I should or shouldn’t be asking for. She repeated that she can’t help her feelings. But she said she understood that I was in pain and needed to slow down, and we needed to talk about what that meant, but she didn’t want to do it at that moment, and we would have a meeting in a day or two.

The next day, I walked in on them at the office. It took awhile to make her understand why it was not ok. To make her understand that the fact that she didn’t think it would hurt me is what hurts the most. We’ve had both really hard and beautiful days since then, crying, understanding, anger, remorse, great sex, no sex, detachment, calm. I’m hoping she finally gets it, that how you open is as important as anything, at least to me.

It’s true, we are idiot novices, and woefully unprepared. I never use words like trigger or trauma response, but from looking into it, I think it applies to me in this case, because it feels like more than simple jealousy. So I’m looking forward to the therapy!
 
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I think you have had some great advice already. I just wanted to add my agreement that there should be some safe off-limit spaces so you won't be walking in on them-- what a shock that had to be!! I would also have reacted strongly, not having been prepared for that! It sounds like she's not being at all sensitive to your needs. While she won't be able to pause the relationship with her lover, she can definitely carve out safe space and time for the two of you. I do wonder if she's going through some kind of hormonal or mental health thing. You sound like a very nice partner to try to be supportive of her growth, and examine your own feelings in all this.
Hi there. Yes, we both agreed no more office. I feel like a stupid teenager, but it was a shock and an image that plays like a movie. But while I was tempted, I did not ask her to pause her relationship.

She just had an overnight on Thursday. I was OK. I used the sleepless night to research more and find a therapist for myself. Looking forward to getting this feeling out of my body and being able to love her loving whoever she wants again. In my head, I don’t hold it against her. It’s my stupid nervous system.
 
The first time she had done some research and had passed it on to me. At the time there wasn’t nearly as much information as there is now and I hadn’t even heard the term ENM until a few months ago. No, we obviously, stupidly didn’t do enough research or preparation either time. I just trusted that she knew enough about it and knew what we were doing.
I'd say it’s still not too late to read up. There is an extensive reading list here:


A couple items I’d suggest:

1) Come to terms that the old marriage is dead and something new and different will be built in its place. Condition yourselves to mourning that loss and all the things that come along with it.
2) Read up on detangling. It’s a process of creating physical and mental space to allow new connections to take root and grow.
3) Highly suggest both of you read the article on Poly Hell, which is demotion, displacement and intrusion. It’s not if you’re going to feel these, it’s how much, and if they're going to hit in an overwhelming fashion. Plus you’ll be able to identify thoughts and feelings from your past attempt.

But you’re right, whatever her emotional intelligence levels, she’s not perfect and I have to trust my own instincts more.
100% trust your own gut. Your emotional response is a leading indicator, and unless it has a history of being way off or wrong, it was installed to keep you safe or happy.

When she gets carried away with something, she has a hard time hearing me. When I try to bring her attention to the seriousness of something, especially my fears and needs, she feels attacked, and was even forced to admit recently that subconsciously, she might be trying to punish me for any of the times I’ve heard her in the past. A lot of it is old childhood stuff and she really doesn’t mean to do it. But the result is that she does go off the rails, and I go with her.
I don’t get how you expressing your needs and fears would trigger an attack response, unless she can see she was maybe being reckless/thoughtless and then feels guilty or wrong, in some way. Maybe discuss changing the way these things are discussed or delivered. Maybe write out a note or agenda, for a day for a discussion, with topics and issues and examples, which could give her time to digest without a reaction.

The first time we talked about it for several months, and were open about 9 months before things fell apart for me. This time it’s been since December, with maybe two weeks of bare minimum discussion before she had sex with someone. Six weeks after that they were saying I love you.
So you’ve struggled more in poly than NOT struggled.


Our office is a private rented office offsite, just for the two of us. In fact, it’s where they met, first kissed and first had sex. She brought him there a couple other times and told me after the fact. I said it was fine. Privately it may have bothered me that things were going a little rogue, but it didn’t bother me enough, and I chalked it up to a moment of adjusting. I didn’t want to be controlling.
Might be an area of work for you. There is NO more “privately," because that only boomerangs back and causes a bigger issue. You need to worry less about how you present and more about how you’re going to survive and then thrive in the new dynamic.

Is it a shared office space intended for office work and stuff? Or is it a quasi-playpen to be booked out when someone has an urge? Then we need to put a radioactive placard on the door handle when in use. Is she ok with you using the space the same way?

And I genuinely was happy, for the most part, about her relationship, at first. I’ve never been sexually jealous. It turns me on and I love to hear about it. But it got so serious, so fast, that I wasn’t prepared for what it brought up. Sex is one thing. Falling hard in love the minute the gates opened is another. But even that has made me (and her) feel crazy, because I told her the first time years ago, as well as this time, both before and after the infamous office incident, that she was free to love whoever she wants, and have feelings. I know she has so much love to give, and needs to give it and receive it. I genuinely believe that. So it’s been a shock to me that it’s been a shock to me. I really want to get over it. My head understands, but my body is screaming.
This is a very common predicament, being intellectually on board, yet being an emotional mess. Personally, I think it boils down to taking and accepting the loss. All the hopes, dreams and plans for the future, whether those tightly planned and articulated, or those were very loosely discussed and/or held privately, all those are at the very least ALTERED, and on a serious practical level, on indefinite hold for the considerable future. Mourn the loss or losses.

I knew enough to ask her to slow down and tell her I was hurting by end of January. It got so that I got a fever that turned to pneumonia. My two weeks in bed, while she took great care of me, she counted that as the pause from her boyfriend that I’d asked for.
I again told her I needed to go slower. She said OK, but often in the same breath would say that it would be hard on her and her boyfriend. She is able to find polyamory advice that supports what she wants and denies what I should or shouldn’t be asking for. She repeated that she can’t help her feelings.
Her feelings are one thing and her decisions and actions are another.

The only downside I see with the idea of putting things on hold in order to “work on the relationship," or to help get your feet underneath you, is getting use to requiring pauses and extra effort and then having it ripped away again. IMO, whatever the issue, it needs to be worked out under game-like conditions. Put your cup on and mouthguard in. Get ready to take a shot to the head and balls, because it’s unavoidable.

But she said she understood that I was in pain and needed to slow down and we needed to talk about what that meant. But she didn’t want to do it at that moment. We would have a meeting in a day or two. And the next day I walked in on them at the office. It took awhile to make her understand why it was not ok. To make her understand that the fact that she didn’t think it would hurt me is what hurts the most.
These are all expectations. It was assumed you were on the same page on stuff. That's now changed. Perceptions have changed, and are now filtered through a new lens that has significant parallax.

We’ve had both really hard and beautiful days since then, crying, understanding, anger, remorse, great sex, no sex, detachment, calm. I’m hoping she finally gets it, that how you open is as important as anything, at least to me. But it’s true. We are idiot novices and woefully unprepared. I never use words like trigger or trauma response, but from looking into it, I think it applies to me in this case because it feels like more than simple jealousy. So I’m looking forward to the therapy!
Is your therapist familiar, and/or poly-qualified?
 
Hello polywollydoodle,

NRE can be a hard thing for the original partner (e.g. you) to face, let alone when there's trauma. The partner with NRE needs to learn to control it, but that seldom happens at least not without reminders. NRE is a strong drug, and definitely impairs judgment.

Your wife probably doesn't realize she's hurting you, let alone how much she's hurting you. With NRE, you have to call it out, and then remind her from time to time that you're still here, you still need love and affection too. With NRE, the person experiencing it has to be reminded.

I'm sorry this is happening.
Kevin T.
 
I'd say it’s still not too late to read up. There is an extensive reading list here:


A couple items I’d suggest:

1) Come to terms that the old marriage is dead and something new and different will be built in its place. Condition yourselves to mourning that loss and all the things that come along with it.
2) Read up on detangling. It’s a process of creating physical and mental space to allow new connections to take root and grow.
3) Highly suggest both of you read the article on Poly Hell, which is demotion, displacement and intrusion. It’s not if you’re going to feel these, it’s how much, and if they're going to hit in an overwhelming fashion. Plus you’ll be able to identify thoughts and feelings from your past attempt.


100% trust your own gut. Your emotional response is a leading indicator, and unless it has a history of being way off or wrong, it was installed to keep you safe or happy.


I don’t get how you expressing your needs and fears would trigger an attack response, unless she can see she was maybe being reckless/thoughtless and then feels guilty or wrong, in some way. Maybe discuss changing the way these things are discussed or delivered. Maybe write out a note or agenda, for a day for a discussion, with topics and issues and examples, which could give her time to digest without a reaction.


So you’ve struggled more in poly than NOT struggled.



Might be an area of work for you. There is NO more “privately," because that only boomerangs back and causes a bigger issue. You need to worry less about how you present and more about how you’re going to survive and then thrive in the new dynamic.

Is it a shared office space intended for office work and stuff? Or is it a quasi-playpen to be booked out when someone has an urge? Then we need to put a radioactive placard on the door handle when in use. Is she ok with you using the space the same way?


This is a very common predicament, being intellectually on board, yet being an emotional mess. Personally, I think it boils down to taking and accepting the loss. All the hopes, dreams and plans for the future, whether those tightly planned and articulated, or those were very loosely discussed and/or held privately, all those are at the very least ALTERED, and on a serious practical level, on indefinite hold for the considerable future. Mourn the loss or losses.


Her feelings are one thing and her decisions and actions are another.

The only downside I see with the idea of putting things on hold in order to “work on the relationship," or to help get your feet underneath you, is getting use to requiring pauses and extra effort and then having it ripped away again. IMO, whatever the issue, it needs to be worked out under game-like conditions. Put your cup on and mouthguard in. Get ready to take a shot to the head and balls, because it’s unavoidable.


These are all expectations. It was assumed you were on the same page on stuff. That's now changed. Perceptions have changed, and are now filtered through a new lens that has significant parallax.


Is your therapist familiar, and/or poly-qualified?
Thank you so much. All of that is very helpful. My wife has apologized many times, has calmed down and has been making a lot of effort to curtail the hurtful language and actions and I’ve been making efforts to expand my embrace of her new experiences while listening to my instincts more and being true to myself. Waiting on a reply if the new therapist is poly experienced and I (and then we) will get that help asap. Thanks again!
 
Hello polywollydoodle,

NRE can be a hard thing for the original partner (e.g. you) to face, let alone when there's trauma. The partner with NRE needs to learn to control it, but that seldom happens at least not without reminders. NRE is a strong drug, and definitely impairs judgment.

Your wife probably doesn't realize she's hurting you, let alone how much she's hurting you. With NRE, you have to call it out, and then remind her from time to time that you're still here, you still need love and affection too. With NRE, the person experiencing it has to be reminded.

I'm sorry this is happening.
Kevin T.
Thanks so much. She has heard me and is more mindful of how NRE has blinded her words and actions and their effects. And I feel a bit better, ready to move on and handle all this better, with help. Thanks!
 
No problem. Sounds like things are improving, she's starting to hear you. Plus, you are getting yourself pulled together, also that therapy should help.
 
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