Looking for some polyam wisdom or outside perspective.

We do have boundaries that are set for respect toward each relationship, as well as for protecting the original relationships in regards to time and such. I don't think the boundaries the BF and I have are right for the other two, but they are both big on fairness in all things, and adopted the same boundaries for themselves. I think some of that is trying to be pushed lately with this movie-night stuff, but I will give the benefit of the doubt for now.
Could you give an example of the boundaries you and bf have that aren’t right for the other 2?

I get the swinger history here, and the protection of original relationships is the natural default wiring, but has anyone read or come across the “poly theory“ of the old marriages are dead, and something new is being built where the old stood, using bits and pieces of the salvage?

It’s less protecting the old as opposed to building 2 new, or whatever the math might be.

They do not feel as strongly for each other, but there is love. They would also be fine going with longer periods of separation.
Did you see signs of NRE for them? Did they have their own NRE phase and it’s died off already?

In the beginning, I think there were assumptions made that it would be a package deal. That is not the case, though.
Are there any other expectations that need to be updated or corrected? Or do you think that might send some folks further into the pit of despair?
It's what started the anxious ones into these black pits of "what-ifs" and negativity. I have kept a very consistent stance that I will not leave him just because my meta and NP fall through. I feel like if they are asking you to break your own and someone else's heart just for the sake of doing it, do they really even care about you at all? That may be opening a can of worms with some people, sorry! 🫣
When it comes to romantic relationships, who can underwrite an insurance policy? If the idea is living in the moment, then it shouldn’t matter, IMO.
We've definitely seen this in some of the swinger couples. Not a lot lot, but a few here and there. Seems like it happens more with couples that haven't been together as long, or are just dating. We only know a few poly couples in RL, and they are going strong after many years. It wasn't without many of the ups and downs it seems like most go through. We know zero quads so far, outside of forums.
So it’s not like it was someone close and fresh that started the negative “what-ifs”?

Alas, here we are a couple days later. Each couple has had their respective talks. Not everything is 100% better, but maybe a little less hurtful today, which is always a good thing. Here's to hoping we keep moving in the right direction!
How was the reconnecting weekend on both sides, if you’ve heard from the other side?
 
Could you give an example of the boundaries you and bf have that aren’t right for the other 2?
Yep. Since we are part of the swinger community, flirty side-chats get started frequently. Since we are still building our relationship, saturated, and working on our own security with each other, we both said that we won't carry on side chats like that. If one starts, we will let the other know about it, and respectfully shut down the conversation. That works for us. The others just adopted it, like it had to be a rule for all. There are a couple others, but the main issue is that if I adjust my boundaries in any kind of way, my NP just does the same thing to his own.

I haven't read much in regards to that poly theory, but I will look into it more. Looking at it as building something new, instead of protecting the old, sounds beautiful to me, and more positive.

it’s not like it was someone close and fresh that started the negative “what-ifs”?
Right. I think it's just the closer the BF and I get, the more they worry they are losing something.

The weekend was good for both sides. They were able to talk about a lot of things and hash out some stuff, so they are in a better place. We've all talked since and everyone seems to be a bit more stable. Time will tell.
 
I don’t know that I have any advice, which is almost surprising as I was once almost _exactly_ in your position (there’s a blog linked in my signature, if you go to the first few posts you can find the story there). But I have great sympathy and I really hope, for the sake of everyone involved, that your bf has the spine to not give into demands just to ease anxiety.
Thank you, I will take a looksie 😁
 
Hello Z3r0Cool,

I think you are coming up against a hard wall of incompatibility; your NP and meta want one thing, and you and your BF want something else. Something that directly contradicts what NP and meta want. They want you to have less time with BF; you and BF want more time. I'm not sure how this contradiction can be resolved.

As for your NP, therapy and med changes are a BFD. I should know, I went through dozens of med changes and it wasn't fun -- neither for me nor for my partner and meta. And I had lots of therapy, also not fun, and minimally productive. After some ten plus years I went on Zyprexa, finally something that worked (although not 100%). My point is, your NP is going through a lot that has little if anything to do with your poly situation. The poly situation is just being used by him as his punching bag. You said it yourself: Your NP doesn't want you to scale back your time spent with your BF. This is your meta's crusade. But in the meantime, your NP is ruining your dates with your BF. So in a way, he is on board with meta's idea, he just doesn't want to admit it. But as I said, the poly situation is just his scapegoat, and his punching bag.

I don't think you should scale back,
Kevin T.
Since he stopped meds it's been like a 100% difference in attitude. It's wild!!! I wouldn't wish that stuff on anyone.
 
I’m going to dredge it up again. Not sure if I should just start a new topic since it’s been so long. Maybe I should just write one of those blogs!! Sooooo much has happened. We’re barely hanging on, but still here.
 
Whatever suits you! You're welcome to build on this or start a blog, totally your call :)
 
Oh fam, what a year it’s been. It’s been over a month since my last writing here. Man that sounds like a confession lol. I decided to go ahead and start that blog. I will clean up my initial posts and incorporate them into the first one and go from there. Things have changed. Things got pretty bad for a bit. More to come.
 
Glad you're still hanging in there.
 
TL;DR: My meta is suggesting that my BF take a step back from me so that my NP can "catch up" emotionally with the quad. I’m struggling to understand how reducing time with someone who makes me feel fulfilled helps my NP manage his insecurities and anxious attachment. My NP, despite his issues is not wanting me to get less time and is upset my meta would suggest that.

The question:
Has anyone been in a similar situation where a partner was asked to step back to make space for another's healing? Did it help or hurt? Would love any insight or shared experiences.


Some Backstory:
I know it's not a full picture and one sided here.

We have a quad dynamic with group dates, private time, and overnights. The private time is about 1-2x a month. Group time is double dates that may or may not end up in group play, but we splinter off with our non NP's at night. We get to do this at least once a month.

The exception was this last month where we got three weekends in a row and was a big issue. The second two were individual date nights, he gets Friday I get Saturday or the reverse) the date nights are not full days at all but are sleepovers; just trying to paint a clearer picture with time before I get into some of those issues.

Over the last several months My NP has unleashed significant insecurities and is working on them (therapy, med changes). His jealousy shows up in constant comparison, reassurance-seeking, and emotional dysregulation that has really worn me down. The last three weeks were hard on him and I understand wanting a weekend for himself in between. Mostly all of the dumping from him happen directly preceding or directly after my date night. I'm talking bf is not even out of the driveway yet and I get "I need to tell you all my feelings right now. I don't want you to change anything but the things you did make me feel this way and this way and this way etc" obviously paraphrasing here. Then the talks can be every day until the NP feels like he gets somewhat of a resolution or game plan. It turns into a lot of kitchen-sink type arguing. I feel this is being used as a control tactic to put very negative emotions in my head directly following good times with the BF.

My BF and I have strong love and chemistry, it's hard to ignore in person even if we aren't touching. Silly to say the electricity is in the air, but strangers walk up to us and comment on it! Fortunately the NPs haven't been around for that yet, but the passion they do see triggers them both. They are both anxious attached, more closely to the extreme end.

After the problems the last couple of weeks (medication induced problems) The meta thinks scaling back my time with BF will give NP space to "catch up." But I’m not convinced that sacrificing a joyful, healthy connection is the answer.

The BF and I want more time and are being given the option to choose less. We are already coming up with a proposal on what this might look like to have two days a week *3 hours one night and maybe 15 another if we get a work night as an overnight* while sparing weekends for the NP's and group dates. And yes I'm getting petty talking about hours because the other half keeps saying we spend days together.

I don't think my NP or meta truly want poly (even though he and the meta are the ones who started us down this path). I think they started it as a fun project, didn't really expect anyone to have deep feelings, told us to run with it, and now want to take it back and just go back to swinging fwb because they didn't know it would be so hard.

Just feels like everything is going to implode and I'm going to be forced to make tough decisions for myself that I don't want to have to make.

We do tons if research and reading, we are in couples therapy. Doing all the right things and it feels like over communicating all the time. Maybe that's the problem. Is over communication a thing? This is just turning into a complaint session now so I'll end it here. Thanks for reading.
Hi, sorry this might already have been mentioned and I missed it, but it sounds to me that whilst your NP certainly has anxious attachment issues, your meta has (im sorry if this seems harsh and / or isn't the case and you know that) manipulated the dynamic you and your partner have to minimise her own insecurities and anxious attachment surrounding you and your BF becoming closer. It might be an idea that your BF communicates with his NP and gets to the root of who is needing support and in which way he is prepared to accommodate for that? Then to have a discussion with you about your needs, his own, and hopefully from there be able to come up with a solution that helps everyone adjust?
 
Sorry just getting used to the way this site works. I see now there has been a lot more added i couldn't see before i posted this. Hope everything works out. Polyamoury can be exhausting but man when it works its worth it 😀
 
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