Miserable, Doing it wrong. No idea what to do next

I agree. If people are living the traditional marriage model with the husband bringing in money and the wife doing childcare, the very least responsibility of the husband in case he wants to leave the relationship - which is, what has emotionally already happened - is to provide for the kids, and part ways with his wife in a way which preserves her dignity and gives her opportunity to adjust to a new life. That means, even if there is no love any more in the marriage, providing a solid material offer, enough time to process, and refraining from the affair until partners are living apart. Anything less then is abuse of power.

This I absolutely agree with. Also, the OP hasn't said that he isn't willing to do this....I think we could give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is willing to do this (well maybe all but the refraining from the relationship with his affair partner until he's moved out... since that does not seem to be something he is willing to do.)
 
I did a word count. Since he last posted 7 hours ago, we have had 3 pages of posts, 22 replies and 4200 words. That's gotta be some kind of record. And Galagirl's not even here yet. ;)

I feel that Remnant has two choices now. He can either spend his life working on his relationship with his wife, or spend his life reading our posts! :D
 
Mostly I just wanted to make it abundantly clear that she is justified in her fears.

That may seem like common sense, but not everyone gets it, and it's got a lot to do with perspective. Not even just people in this thread, but when I used to kvetch about my ex in the middle of our marriage when it wasn't great, but it wasn't hell...I had many friends and others say I should leave him. I was too aware of the potential consequences, and I used to get mad at the insinuation that I should put my selfish possibility to chase uncertain happiness, ahead of their security. I felt I had a job to do, in keeping things together. I tried very hard to do it.

If they were more equal, if there were no kids and if she were able to support herself just fine, I would say sure... He is negotiating what he needs, and if she can't live with it, without acting in controlling ways, then they should just split. It would be a much easier call.

And I recognize that this forum isn't a parenting forum, he came her to talk about the polyamory part of all this...so as I said towards the end of my first post, maybe he's considered things more than I am giving him credit for, it's just that his posts seemed completely absorbed in a rather single-minded pursuit of the relationship he wants to have with the gf.

I would love to be wrong in my assumption that he's not giving enough thought to these things.
 
I did a word count. Since he last posted 7 hours ago, we have had 3 pages of posts, 22 replies and 4200 words. That's gotta be some kind of record. And Galagirl's not even here yet. ;)

I feel that Remnant has two choices now. He can either spend his life working on his relationship with his wife, or spend his life reading our posts! :D

And I didn't even unleash the full power of my overwhelming text walls!

THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM.

lol
 
One possibility the OP should consider is dissolving the romantic relationship as such with his wife immediately but maintaining a shared household for the sake of the children. Gradually working out a new relationship on new terms if she is interested after he gets his head out of the clouds or legal separation or even divorce thoughtfully. That would free both of them to pursue their futures independently without the coercion or massive disruption. It would give them a chance to transition into something safely - job, one of them moving out with/out the children, co-parenting, another relationship...

IMO this is still NRE, and demented, but OP seems to have burned his bridges in any case.

Seriously considering putting anti-NRE posters all over my walls at home to keep me sane... just in case.
 
This I absolutely agree with. Also, the OP hasn't said that he isn't willing to do this....I think we could give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is willing to do this (well maybe all but the refraining from the relationship with his affair partner until he's moved out... since that does not seem to be something he is willing to do.)
You're right, this post is hitting a nerve. And yes, it's entirely possible that Remnant just hasn't mentioned a bunch of things - it's just, it doesn't seem like there has been any time and room for a proper decision. But hey, I'll calm down again, thanks for staying calm.

I feel that Remnant has two choices now. He can either spend his life working on his relationship with his wife, or spend his life reading our posts! :D
Yes! We'll be soon having more emotions around his story then he does :D
 
Wowsers!

I.... suspect I'm in a radically different time zone to most of you :) When I finally went to bed at about 3:30am this morning there was......substantially less here.

Thank you all, for your continued input. I'm reading, and I *will* respond.
 
Ok, let me summarize and hopefully change to a different layer.
  • You've been told a number of times that starting an affair and throwing the poly bomb upon your wife like this was not kind or responsible. Let me move past this point.
  • The decision to choose GF over wife has been already made. While dismissed as NRE, to me it is an understandable decision, as what you are choosing is not just your gf, but also a lifestyle. Let me move past this point, as it is a given.
  • You're wife chose to stay over a (hopefully respectful) divorce. You do not feel you should be making this decision 'for her'.
  • You're GF has left supposedly to give you time to 'work it out'.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems your problems at hand are twofold.
1) Your GF, whom you have chosen, is now not happy about the relationship.
I would like some more input here, and maybe you need more input from the gf. What is her desired outcome with this break? What is it she is missing, and how would she like to see it solved? This seems to be the you <--> gf layer of communication.​

2) Your life is entwined with your wife who is less then happy about your choices.
I hear you want your wife around, but I assume there are conditions under which you want her around. If she is unkind towards GF? Well, you will have to address that by either not letting them interact at all or setting up some agreements. If her unhappiness is flowing over to you and bringing you down? Well, as terrible as this sounds, you could choose to divorce not for her, but for yourself, to be free to pursue the lifestyle you want.​
Am I getting it right? If not, could you please clarify your questions?


Okay, Firstly, yes, I've skipped over a whole bunch of stuff. My first post was very difficult to write, took me four attempts and was STILL far too long. So a lot has been omitted, I'm more than happy to fill in blanks.

1) GF is unhappy for several reasons, the main one is general stress levels and unhappiness. The situation in general is very stressful and takes it's toll on everyone involved and there is a lot of overflow. She feels that I'm attempting to take too much responsibility and blame (We disagree here) and that the strain is too much to bear.
Additionally she has issues with some of my wife's actions. While we're all aware that she never asked for any of this, and are attempting to cut her as much slack as possible, there are limits. In particular inconsistency is....... incredibly frustrating. Actions that are acceptable (even encouraged) one day are completely verboten the next, and communication is problematic.
There are also some historical aspects there.

2) Yes. I do still "want my wife around". I do love my wife and I have no desire to leave. This "choose to divorce not for her, but for yourself, to be free to pursue the lifestyle you want" is very complex, and I'm definitely not there. yet. I..... don't know that I have specific conditions. civility maybe? or just consistency.
 
OK, well I will offer the unpopular view that I do think your wife's behavior sounds somewhat controlling. And that's about all the validating sentiment ya get. Because practically everyone I have ever known, who has behaved in controlling ways, has done so because of insecurity.

I was controlling of my ex husband's sanity because I was insecure of his ability to control himself. (Keep from violence, for instance, unless on a short leash.)

I know men who are controlling to their wives and girlfriends because they are insecure about being replaced, or about her wanting things they can't provide.

People often turn to controlling actions, when their very lives, the things that form the foundations they need to live, are shaking, in their perception.

And that, man, was all you.

If your wife "left" because she could not accept your terms, may I ask you, where would you expect her to go? Is she supposed to leave the kids for you (and gf?) to raise, or is she supposed to take them with? How will she afford FOOD, let alone everything else you need, to LIVE, for herself and three other humans?

I'm serious. Can you answer this? Tell me a story, where she and your children get a happily ever after, here. And she deserves the punishment of poverty and watching her kids suffer and be without a father, because...YOU cheated. You do wrong, she gets punished.

Can you see how it looks that way?

And how even polyamory doesn't fix that?

If you even once mentioned in this thread how you feel about your children, I could not find it. But I found several descriptions of how you feel about your girlfriend. Do you even care about the kids you helped to make?

Also, in addition to giving your wife time to adjust or whatever, let me say that YOU need time before you attempt polyamory. The health of your marriage, is not her work alone. Have you yet encountered the saying, "relationship broken; add more people"? Your marriage is a MESS and you have at least equal, if not greater, responsibility to work it out to a satisfactory conclusion, BEFORE you try to get involved with anybody else.

You owe that to your wife, kids, self, and future partners.

Also, YOU the man, you're not ready to do poly and succeed at it. Sorry. The long span of not speaking your truth, you cannot heal that in a few months' time like flipping a switch. You have a ton of stuff buried in you (I promise, and speak from personal experience) that you will need to dig up and work out.

So what does resolving the marriages issues look like?

It most definitely is NOT just waiting to give the wife a breather to accept your terms before plowing forward. OK, so you cannot wait until the kids are grown to do this. Fine. That's where you are in this negotiation. She needs a kill switch that is REASONABLE. And "ok then, leave" isn't. That one makes you look like a jackass, seriously rethink the matter of "what will she do? Where will she go? How does she support herself and kids?"

You have an obligation at the LEAST to make those things concrete realities with real answers, before you proceed to skip off into the meadow with your new love interest. You are a man, not a child. You have responsibilities. You're dismissing them, near as anyone here can tell, in some really uncool ways.

Are you personally wealthy enough to support your wife and kids AND yourself if you are living separately? Leave her the house or pay enough for her to get by? Will she be forced to quickly find a new partner to provide? Is that your plan? That could be difficult with your children in tow, suppose the only man who would be with her abused your kids, how would you feel? Women who are cut adrift like this face hardships like that, and it's like you don't even care about that. All you care about is not losing your girlfriend.

That's the picture you've painted here.

Please tell me you've given thought to these other matters.

I'm willing to accept that maybe you are not as bad (or blind) as all that, but you haven't given the forum that impression.

THIS, yes. These are all valid points, and a lot of them I don't have the answers for. I have indeed given thought to most of these. Unfortunately I have been unable to discuss these with my wife. I have now made three separate attempts and all three have rapidly dissolved into "you just want me to leave" tears.
No I am not wealthy. I run a small IT business from home. We own our own home (heavily mortgaged) and in our country (NZ) there is a reasonable amount of state financial assistance for children. My wife does not work. There are a number of different options. None of them are ideal for anyone, but none are exactly catastrophic. Yes, I do love my children, very much. They are aware of my GF as a family friend, who is frequently in our house. They relate well. my GF has 2 children with her husband and all the children interact well together, and with all four adults.

*IF* dissolution of marriage occurred I would be thrilled to take full custody and care of the children. I would happily accept joint 50/50 custody, and would be willing to at least look at other options. I have no intention of excluding my wife from childrens lives, and I have no intention of being excluded from them myself.

Initially in any breakup scenario either we would continue to cohabitate, or if that is not possible then whoever has the house has primary care of the children (minimal disruption). Either of us has friend support in the area who would be happy to put either of us up (not so much children.... just logistically) and my wife has family support.

I'm not really sure where to go from there, particularly with no input from my wife. I have obligations and I intend to meet as well as I'm able, but I have no idea what that means. Obviously there's vast difference between my obligations if my wife chose to get on a bus and move to a different city leaving us all behind than if she wants to share custody equally.

I'm not sure if I'm answering what you're asking?
 
You are still criticizing your wife. Your GF thinks you are taking too MUCH of the blame? Seriously.

You are not doing what you said you would; working on repairing the relationship with your wife. Doing that means no running to the GF about how unreasonable your wife is. This is not a tale of two star-crossed lovers who are being kept apart by a controlling spouse. This is a story of selfishness.

I stand by my earlier comment of divorcing your wife. I'm starting to get the impression that you like the fact that she feels cornered. Do you really think that, if your wife was in the position to easily set up house elsewhere, she wouldn't be telling you to screw off?

This is exactly the reason why I will always be self-sufficient and no longer engage in relationships with such fiscal power imbalances. I have told my 11 year old daughter already that, no matter what, make your OWN money. Love and empty promises don't keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
 
This is exactly the reason why I will always be self-sufficient and no longer engage in relationships with such fiscal power imbalances. I have told my 11 year old daughter already that, no matter what, make your OWN money. Love and empty promises don't keep a roof over your head and food on the table.
Always have a Fuck Off fund.
 
I.... suspect I'm in a radically different time zone to most of you :)
Yes, most people are in US, some of us are in Europe (+other exeptions). That's why the two of us can have a conversation if I'm on my computer during the day and you evenings.

1) GF is unhappy for several reasons, the main one is general stress levels and unhappiness. ... Additionally she has issues with some of my wife's actions. ... In particular inconsistency....
So, again, what is her desired outcome?

I have indeed given thought to most of these. Unfortunately I have been unable to discuss these with my wife. I have now made three separate attempts and all three have rapidly dissolved into "you just want me to leave" tears.
It seems your wife is not ready emotionally to be solving the situation. That's not very surprising.
But it invalidates what you have told us about her 'decision' to 'stay', as you have put it. As I see it, there was no decision to leave or stay - a decision can't happen without evaluating the options. Not ready is not ready, period.

2) Yes. I do still "want my wife around". I do love my wife and I have no desire to leave. This "choose to divorce not for her, but for yourself, to be free to pursue the lifestyle you want" is very complex, and I'm definitely not there. yet. I..... don't know that I have specific conditions. civility maybe? or just consistency.
Non of you is ready to make a decision to divorce or not. Then that's your starting point in trying to make this mess less of a mess on the short scale. It seems what you need is to be able to live with each other now. Or, you could temporarily separate - you could go live with your friends or at a hostel or something and just meet your wife for negotiations.

I'm sticking to what I wrote already. Go find a counsellor if at all possible. Sit down with your wife (and the counsellor), and just lay down ground rules which both of you are able to keep for the next X months and which will give both of you space to work further without breaking down or freaking out (work on figuring out what you want, on your communication and 'historical issues', on trust and a way forward). The rules should be something both of you can consent to. You can write them down. If you two can do this, it should give you the consistency you need.

Again, deciding about divorce or not now seems premature. So does your decision to choose gf over wife seem from the outside - and probably also to your wife. Slow down to work it out with less emotion involved.
 
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Wow, your children have met your gf and her kids and husband. You've all hung out as a unit.

Your wife really was trying! Personally, I'd not introduce my children to my affair partner until the entire "how to do polyamory" thing was worked out to near perfection.

You haven't communicated your desire to have sex/love with other women with your wife until 3 months ago. You kept silent about it. Now, you just dive in to it, even to the point of both families hanging out.

NO WONDER YOUR WIFE IS FREAKING THE FUCK OUT, DUDE.

Thank GOD your "girlfriend" backed off from you. It seems she's got some sense at least. But not a lot. Is she experienced at poly? If so, how on earth did she think you could throw the poly bomb at your wife, completely blindside her, and expect your wife to be perfectly fine and calm about it all?

Your gf is blaming your wife for her "inconsistency." It is common to blame one's metamour because one is wearing rose colored glasses about one's new lover.

The blame lies with you, NOT your wife. It's you who put your wife in this incredibly painful mess.

Back off from gf. If you're not seeing her, but texting her round the clock, whining and boohooing about how you miss each other, and what a bitch your wife is-- STOP IT.

Look online for a counselor who is good at working with people who have affairs. It doesn't matter if you want to be "poly" and thought you were, by having your families all hang out together. You had an affair, and your wife is reeling. All your future, and her future, lie in the balance here.

Step up, take responsibility that you fucked up, and grow a pair. Stop acting like a douche. Get help, be patient, think of your children, plan where everyone is going to live. If you're going to divorce, your judge will tell you how much alimony and child support you will have to pay.

We don't know how old your kids are. Will they need full time daycare if your wife needs to start working outside the home? Or after school care? Will you continue to stop by your former shared home and do yard work, home maintenance for the sake of your children? There is a lot of work to getting divorced. It is highly stressful. Is it really something you want to do, after 3 months of NRE? Maybe you barely know this woman (unless you've been friends a long time and just got lustful recently). What if you and she break up after a few more months? Will you regret ditching your wife and home and children for a mere pipe dream?

Slow down. And don't be surprised your wife can't speak without crying. You've upset many people here who don't even know you!
 
Also, I could be wrong, but-- you said you first decided you might be poly, might want another woman, 10 years ago. How old is your oldest child? 10?

Just a guess. We do get a lot of that here, men who can't hack the responsibility of being a parent, and start cheating when the wife is pregnant, or soon after the birth of the first child.

Did you cheat before in those 10 years and not tell your wife? Is this just a new ploy, telling her you're "polyamorous," and expecting her to submit to that, and be the perfect wife and consent to anything and everything you want to do?
 
How long is it reasonable to expect my girlfriend (new relationship) to wait? with no contact, no communication, no idea what's happening?

Just realized that this elephant in the room keeps coming up over and over in different variants of "how long", so might be worthwhile addressing it straight up.

I am not sure there is hope on the girlfriend front. There are massive red flags around this, which you are choosing to ignore:
  1. I've said this before, but it is worth repeating. Any woman who has been in a few relationships and almost certainly one who you are saying is experienced with polyamory will observe how a potential/partner treats other women. Particularly women they have been intimate with. If she has been the one to suggest distance after seeing what is going on between you and your wife, you may ALREADY have lost her, though she put it as a temporary break. The chances are high that she will evaluate whatever you call a resolution of the situation and then decide if it seems good enough for her to resume. And an abandoned wife while you land up on her doorstep may not look good enough.
  2. The fact that you are asking strangers how long it is reasonable to expect her to wait. As though there is a universal rule you can expect her to toe and god forbid if she doesn't toe it, you'll tell us all about how unreasonable she was, she didn't even wait for as long as this forum agreed was a reasonable time.... or something. What you are essentially saying is that she broke with you indefinitely without stating a timeline. In other words "be back when you're back" Which sounds about consistent with anyone who understands polyamory and problems with the existing partner consenting.
  3. You have a fundamental incomprehension of polyamory. She has a life she is living. She is poly. She doesn't need to "wait" for you. She can have all the lovers she wants and whenever you are back, she can take a call on whether you still interest her.
  4. You don't seem to have looked at much beyond the woman you want. Are you sure you can handle poly - even the fact of just her being poly? It takes a hell of a lot of adjustment and so far you seem to be floundering on home ground that you are familiar with.
  5. For any self-actualized woman, a man she wanted to date casually without making sole interest of her life suddenly ditching a longterm marriage for her - before you have even slept together - is going to be more creepy than flattering. I don't know the relationship between you and your girlfriend, but I guarantee you I'd be wondering if this chap is likely to be needy and possessive and cause headaches for me in the future.
  6. For most modern women who are fine with non-marital sex, there is no call on the permanence of a relationship without experiencing the sexual compatibility. You seem to be seeing a lot as a done deal on the basis of an emotional affair. If that doesn't work out, you will have thrown your family away for an emotional affair or maybe a few occasions of sex.

In other words, you aren't choosing between the wife and her, you are choosing between the wife and the possibility of a break being reversed. You don't appear to be aware of or making any efforts to act in a way that the potential partner observing your situation would find your behavior in it honorable and worth having in her life.

Even leaving apart the wife entirely for a moment, this situation in itself is not shiny.

A useful resource for you, Remnant at this point could be the blogs of women here who go on dates, have problems with the partners of their potential partners not taking things well and go on a break. Or for that matter, the blogs of women who go on a break with a partner for any reason and the things they consider around them and the discussions that follow. Resuming is not a guarantee. It is highly conditional on the woman finding the problem resulting in the break to be resolved in a satisfactory manner.
 
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Hi Remnant,

I'm sorry you find yourself stuck in the middle of such an awful dilemma. I take it your wife wants you to cut all contact with your girlfriend for the time being. I would suggest setting a specific time limit (perhaps a year); then, inform your girlfriend that your wife has asked you to cut all contact and you have suggested being willing to for that time limit; perhaps giving your girlfriend some say in how long that time limit should be. The point is, your girlfriend will know that you are cutting contact specifically to work on things with your wife. Your girlfriend won't have to wonder what on earth happened to you.

Once the time period has expired, you go ahead and reestablish contact with your girlfriend, and tell her of any progress that has or hasn't been made. And you go from there. Not everything can be decided right at this time.

You do have to take your marriage into account, otherwise you will end up regretting some things. This is just my input based on my own experiences.

Sincerely,
Kevin T.
 
Hi Remant,

Kevin speaks with a lot of experience. He's one of the very few on this site who transitioned from monogamy to polyamory with the original monogamous relationship intact. That's rare. And I feel that's what you want.

While the advice on this thread that you're getting comes from many very experienced board members, I feel that it is failing to truly help you now. You need sleep. More than our advice, you need sleep.

The best advice I got when I first came to this forum in all my confusion screaming "HEEEEEELP" was from Galagirl. She said "take a break."

I did. I came back 3 days later and I was feeling much better. Here's what she said to me:

Learn not to do serious relationship talks while HAALT. (Hungry, angry, anxious, lonely, tired.)

Learn to stop talking after 20-30 minutes. Don't try to do marathon sessions. It helps prevent emotional flooding and some problems simply NEED multi sessions.

I hope some of that helps. Get some sleep. Ignore us for a while. We mean well, but you'll be a nicer person to your significant others in real life if you're rested.
 
Hi all, Been away for several days, so first some updates:

I have found a counsellor that is not horrendous. Have been to a double session so far. Next one is scheduled for Monday

The separation with the GF was proving intolerable, both to myself and the GF. In order to get a little space and perspective (and to get some freaking work done) I moved out of the family home for 3 days. Staying with friends in the area who are aware of the general situation. GF was out of town on business at the same time.

Today is the 3rd day and I am looking at moving back home in the next 3-4 hours.

Have come up with a new compromise. It's one nobody likes (which is generally an indication of a reasonable compromise), whereby I see my GF weekly, for a couple of hours on a Thursday morning. In a public place, so we can talk, hug, touch, feel connected. With the intention that this ongoing........ "contact" will enable to me actually focus on my marriage the rest of the time.

My wife has engaged a counsellor, as have I, we're each going weekly. And my wife and I will have fortnightly "reviews", where we see how we're going, what's working, what's not working, what we like and don't like. This has 2 purposes, 1) hoping to prevent daily scraps over the same damn things, write them down, save them up over the fortnight, so that we can just enjoy the GOOD things, rather than focusing on the bad and 2) to get some indication on how each of us is coping with the situation. To see if we are we are getting closer to an acknowledgement that is ISN'T working, or is. By doing this fortnightly it should in theory be easier to avoid the "I currently feel great so this is working" or the "I currently feel like shit, so we're over"

Will answer specific questions or comments in individual posts
 
Also, I could be wrong, but-- you said you first decided you might be poly, might want another woman, 10 years ago. How old is your oldest child? 10?

Just a guess. We do get a lot of that here, men who can't hack the responsibility of being a parent, and start cheating when the wife is pregnant, or soon after the birth of the first child.

Did you cheat before in those 10 years and not tell your wife? Is this just a new ploy, telling her you're "polyamorous," and expecting her to submit to that, and be the perfect wife and consent to anything and everything you want to do?

Valid questions, but no I don't think so
Oldest child is 12. No I have never cheated emotionally or physically on my wife (prior to this).
I...... don't feel I can't "hack" the responsibility of being a parent. I don't..... long to be free, or wish to avoid my children or anything like that. As I said earlier, I would be EAGER to take full custody of all my children and my work would make that...... feasible (though obviously not easy). It wouldn't be fair on my wife, and I don't want to "steal them away", but I'm certainly not looking for an out where I can just abandon my entire family.
 
Wow, your children have met your gf and her kids and husband. You've all hung out as a unit.

Your wife really was trying! Personally, I'd not introduce my children to my affair partner until the entire "how to do polyamory" thing was worked out to near perfection.

You haven't communicated your desire to have sex/love with other women with your wife until 3 months ago. You kept silent about it. Now, you just dive in to it, even to the point of both families hanging out.

NO WONDER YOUR WIFE IS FREAKING THE FUCK OUT, DUDE.

Thank GOD your "girlfriend" backed off from you. It seems she's got some sense at least. But not a lot. Is she experienced at poly? If so, how on earth did she think you could throw the poly bomb at your wife, completely blindside her, and expect your wife to be perfectly fine and calm about it all?

Again potentially valid points, but there is information missing (because I didn't want to write even more of a novel than I did), so... in chunks.

GF, wife kids unit: Yes. BEFORE she was an "affair partner". She was initially a friend of a friend. Then a friend, then a family friend.


Your gf is blaming your wife for her "inconsistency." It is common to blame one's metamour because one is wearing rose colored glasses about one's new lover.

The blame lies with you, NOT your wife. It's you who put your wife in this incredibly painful mess.

"The blame lies with you, NOT your wife. It's you who put your wife in this incredibly painful mess." I agree. unconditionally........ (okay 95%+ anyway). GF feels there is enough blame to go around, that she is also at least partly to blame, as is my wife. I disagree.

Back off from gf. If you're not seeing her, but texting her round the clock, whining and boohooing about how you miss each other, and what a bitch your wife is-- STOP IT.
Harsh and inaccurate. Yes we were texting each, NOT "around the clock", and NEVER "what a bitch your wife is". In any way.


Step up, take responsibility that you fucked up, and grow a pair. Stop acting like a douche. Get help, be patient, think of your children, plan where everyone is going to live. If you're going to divorce, your judge will tell you how much alimony and child support you will have to pay.
This is........... exceptionally complicated. Ignoring the personal attack.... *IF* we're going to divorce.... In New Zealand there is no alimony. There is child support of course, and it relates to how many nights of the week each partner is responsible for the children, and relative income. So hypothetically If I had full custody, my wife (with no income other welfare), would have to pay me child support. If she had full custody, there would be fairly substantial child support payments (income disparity), if we had even split custody, there would be relatively minor child support payments due to income disparity.
The is a legal option for "spousal maintenance", but this is legally difficult to obtain and is strictly temporary, usually 6 or 12 months. And in practice is USUALLY settled by granting 1 partner more than half of the assets (divorce in New Zealand automatically grants each partner exactly 50% of the assets). The main takeway here is that I don't know. I don't know where anyone will live, I don't know what arrangements need to be made, and it is not something I can determine by myself (without simply dictating to my wife), it REQUIRES an actual discussion around living arrangements, custody, work plans etc which is not currently possible.


We don't know how old your kids are. Will they need full time daycare if your wife needs to start working outside the home? Or after school care? Will you continue to stop by your former shared home and do yard work, home maintenance for the sake of your children? There is a lot of work to getting divorced. It is highly stressful. Is it really something you want to do, after 3 months of NRE? Maybe you barely know this woman (unless you've been friends a long time and just got lustful recently). What if you and she break up after a few more months? Will you regret ditching your wife and home and children for a mere pipe dream?
This is fairly similar to the above. I simply don't know. because I work from home with very flexible hours, yes a possibility would be to move out, to return to family home to care for kids after school, to do yard work, maintenance etc.

NRE: NRE is whole thing. How do I know if this is NRE? I think it's a lot more than NRE, so does my GF. But how do you KNOW? is it just time? is there a magical number of days after which it's no longer NRE? Are there indications that something is just NRE? or more than NRE?
 
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