my girlfriend wants to open our relationship up and i don’t.

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To start this off, I have been dating a girl for just over half a year and it’s been amazing. A couple days ago she explained to me that she’s poly and we had a conversation about it. I’ve always wanted to try polyamory but I’ve always been scared to. She’s been this way for awhile. She explained to me that she’s monogamous in the relationship aspect, but poly in the sex aspect. That is a big part that’s messing with me, because I don’t want to think about the girl I want to marry and bear my kids with to be having sex with other men/women.

My biggest fear with doing this is her replacing me. She’s said she doesn’t want to, but idk, I feel like it’ll happen. I’m scared of doing this, but I know it’s how she is, and I love her for who she is. I don’t want to disrespect her or our relationship, but it’s just hard as fuck right now. Idk what to do, though.
 
[Note: Poly-amory means many loves, multiple loving relationships at the same time, so this forum is not primarily geared towards relationships open to sex only.]

Why didn't she tell you she was non-monogamous right at the start of dating? That's unfair. But since you are poly-curious, you might find some benefit for yourself or common ground you can handle.

You need to think about this, educate yourself and process emotion.

My advice is to ask for a transition period (you've been together half a year, so perhaps 4 months is a nice timeframe?) where nothing happens yet but you expose yourself to the culture. Look for sex-positive events in your area, go to a poly meetup, definitely visit a swingers club, maybe a bdsm event for beginners, not to do something, but to talk to people. See how others are handling non-monogamy IRL. What you see around you becomes normalized, or, if it's still the same kind of hard after you've observed other people, you'll know it's not for you.
 
She had always kinda mentioned the possibility, but when the conversation of her being poly came up, it was during a sensitive topic and she had kinda spit it out. I've always been, as you called it, poly-curious, but I've been cheated on so many times in past relationships that I think a lot of why I'm so sensitive about changing is because my brain isn’t separating polyamory and cheating, when I know they’re not the same thing. Me and her had established a lot of ground rules about what she can/cannot tell me, etc. I have a feeling this’ll work. It’s just hard as f right now because I've only ever been in monogamous relationships. So with her I'm doing a lot I'm not fully used to, in a way, which isn't bad.
 
I have been dating a girl for just over half a year and it’s been amazing.
The early part of a relationship, from about three months in to two years in, is called infatuation or "new relationship energy" time. You are attracted to someone, there is a great hormonal rush, you see them through rose-colored glasses. After a while, those glasses come off and you start to see who they really are, and see if you are actually long-term compatible.
A couple days ago she explained to me that she’s poly.
So, she'd hinted at it, but now has admitted it fully. It took her a half a year to come clean, after she "hooked you," so to speak. Okay.
I’ve always wanted to try polyamory, but I’ve always been scared to. She’s been this way for awhile. She explained to me that she’s monogamous in the relationship aspect, but poly in the sex aspect... that’s messing with me.
We might call it monoamorous, but polysexual, aka, one love, multiple sex partners. Has she told you any stories about her former partners and how she handled this kind of thing, and how it went? Do you think she has any, or enough good relationship skills to balance your needs for feeling cared for and reassured when she's out fucking multiple others?

By the way, it's impossible to predict if a casual-sex relationship might turn into something more. This happens all the time.
I don’t want to think about the girl I want to marry and bear my kids with having sex with other men/women.
Balancing an open relationship with having children is not for the faint of heart. Kids' needs come first. Going out and boinking multiple people while your spouse is expected to stay home and mind the babies is not fair.
My biggest fear with doing this is her replacing me. She’s said she doesn’t want to. I feel like it’ll happen.
Well, she might want to keep you around for at least your paycheck and housekeeping and childcare skills and willingness... That's the worst-case scenario, of course. What are her priorities? To stay with you, and remain child-free for another decade, and sow her wild oats, and then settle down to baby-making, or combine them in the near future?

How soon do you personally want to start a family? Do your priorities and hers match up at all?
I'm scared of doing this. I know it’s how she is. I love her for who she is.
But maybe not this part... the polysexual part. Search your heart. Would you honestly prefer monogamy, and a partner who is mono and puts family first, at least while the children are very young?
I don’t want to disrespect her or our relationship. It’s just hard as fuck right now. Idk what to do.

She had always kinda mentioned the possibility, but when the conversation of her being poly came up, it was during a sensitive topic and she had kinda spit it out.

She spit out her polysexual desires at you, like a weapon during a disagreement? Like, "I can do better than you"? How did that make you feel?

I've always been poly-curious.
I am figuring you're a (straight) guy and you've had fantasies about (FMF) threesomes, like most men. A fantasy and the reality have nearly nothing in common, however.

I've been cheated on many times in past relationships. I think a lot of why I'm so sensitive about changing is because my brain isn’t separating polyamory and cheating when i know they’re not the same thing.

That's understandable.

We established a lot of ground rules about what she can/cannot tell me, etc. I have a feeling this’ll work.

You'll need more than a feeling to make this work. You need to do research. I will tell you how. Go to our Golden Nuggets section and look at our list of articles and books on polyamory/ethical non-monogamy. There is also a podcast if you prefer that.


Most people start with reading a few articles, and then reading the book Opening Up. There is also a long list of older consolidated threads on any topic you can imagine. And of course you can do a search for any topic you are most concerned with.

Right now you are stumbling clueless in the dark! You can arm yourself with information on good poly practices, not just go on with a "lick and a promise" from her. Just because she may have some experience with ENM doesn't mean she's good at it.

It’s just hard as f right now, because I’ve only ever been in monogamous relationships. So with her, I'm doing a lot I'm not fully used to.

Yes, you are. I'm glad you came here. You're not alone in feeling lost at sea. But we have maps! :) Dive in.
 
She had always kinda mentioned the possibility but when the conversation of her being poly came up, it was during a sensitive topic and she had kinda spit it out. I've always been poly-curious, but I've been cheated on so many times in past relationships that a lot of why I'm so sensitive about changing is because my brain isn’t separating polyamory and cheating... Me and her had established a lot of ground rules about what she can/cannot tell me, etc. I have a feeling this’ll work. It’s just hard right now, because I’ve only ever been in monogamous relationships. So I'm doing a lot I'm not used to...
My advice doesn't change. Talk to real people, before you two dive in. Read some of the material Magdlyn proposed.

Your gf may have some experience, but she's probably still ashamed of herself (that's why she waited half a year only to spit it out in a moment of heat), isn't getting the terminology right (poly for sex?), and doesn't (yet) follow best practices (like tell it early), so you should really look into it together.

It's not on you only to handle your jealousy - speaking of which, @kdt26417 has a great collection of jealousy links.
 
The early part of a relationship, from about three months to two years in, is called infatuation or "new relationship energy" time. You are attracted to someone, there is a great hormonal rush, you see them through rose-colored glasses. After a while, those glasses come off and you start to see who they really are, and see if you are actually long-term compatible.

So, she'd hinted at it, but now has admitted it fully. It took her a half a year to come clean, after she "hooked you," so to speak. Okay.

We might call it monoamorous, but polysexual. Has she told you any stories about her former partners and how she handled this kind of thing, and how it went? Do you think she has any, or enough good relationship skills to balance your needs for feeling cared for and reassured when she's out fucking multiple others?

By the way, it's impossible to predict if a casual-sex relationship might turn into something more. This happens all the time.

Balancing an open relationship with having children is not for the faint of heart. Kids' needs come first. Going out and boinking multiple people while your spouse is expected to stay home and mind the babies is not fair.

Well, she might want to keep you around for at least your paycheck and housekeeping and childcare skills and willingness... That's the worst-case scenario, of course. What are her priorities? To stay with you, and remain child-free for another decade, and sow her wild oats, and then settle down to baby-making, or combine them in the near future?

How soon do you personally want to start a family? Do your priorities and hers match up at all?

But maybe not this part... the polysexual part. Search your heart. Would you honestly prefer monogamy, and a partner who is mono and puts family first, at least while the children are very young?

She spit out her polysexual desires at you, like a weapon during a disagreement? Like, "I can do better than you"? How did that make you feel?

I am figuring you're a (straight) guy and you've had fantasies about (FMF) threesomes, like most men. A fantasy and the reality have nearly nothing in common, however.

You'll need more than a feeling to make this work. You need to do research. I will tell you how. Go to our Golden Nuggets section and look at our list of articles and books on polyamory/ethical non-monogamy. There is also a podcast if you prefer that.


Most people start with reading a few articles, and then reading the book Opening Up. There is also a long list of older consolidated threads on any topic you can imagine. And of course you can do a search for any topic you are most concerned with.

Right now you are stumbling clueless in the dark! You can arm yourself with information on good poly practices, not just go on with a "lick and a promise" from her. Just because she may have some experience with ENM doesn't mean she's good at it.
Going with what you said, me and my girlfriend are both women. I probably should’ve prefaced that at the beginning, so that’s my bad. But no, we’re 2 women. We want to do a sperm donor to have our kids.

No, she didn’t spit out her desires at me during an argument, per se. There’s been a lot of stuff going on in her life right now, constant deaths.

There was a girl at the hospital she was at that she was talking about and I had brought it up, and said that it seems like you want her, and she kinda got upset and was trying to deny it to herself. Once everything calmed down, she told me that I basically was right, and that she did want someone else, and that she responded the way she did because she's never truly been able to go through with anything in the poly world because she's always seen herself as a “whore” for wanting more than one person.

So when we first got together, she kinda suppressed those feelings so she wouldn’t hurt me. But now that the conversation is here and clear she wants to try it out.

The main reason that this is completely messing with me is because she’s supposed to move in with me soon, and I wanted to propose in like 6 months to a year. Then shortly after, we were wanting to start with the sperm donors for her to get pregnant and bear the first kid. I just don’t want our son/daughter to see their other mom out with a guy/girl and see them kissing and hear the wrong ideology of it. I would prefer her to wait on acting on anything, but that’s also not my choice.

When I was first talking abt this with her and some other friends, she had said “I want to leave you so you don’t have to go through this, because I feel bad for making you do this for me,” & “I just can’t see my future without you in it."

Then all the people I was asking were telling me to leave. I can’t lie, at first I had thought about breaking up with her, but we’ve been together awhile. I want to try this out with her because, as she said, I can’t look 15 years into the future and not see her with me. I can’t see myself being with someone else, because we’ve imagined so much of our life together that I can’t see myself being monogamous for another person but her.
 
The early part of a relationship, from about three months in to two years in, is called infatuation or "new relationship energy" time. You are attracted to someone, there is a great hormonal rush, you see them through rose-colored glasses. After a while, those glasses come off and you start to see who they really are, and see if you are actually long-term compatible.

So, she'd hinted at it, but now has admitted it fully. It took her a half a year to come clean, after she "hooked you," so to speak. Okay.

We might call it monoamorous, but polysexual. Has she told you any stories about her former partners and how she handled this kind of thing, and how it went? Do you think she has any, or enough good relationship skills to balance your needs for feeling cared for and reassured when she's out fucking multiple others?

By the way, it's impossible to predict if a casual-sex relationship might turn into something more. This happens all the time.

Balancing an open relationship with having children is not for the faint of heart. Kids' needs come first. Going out and boinking multiple people while your spouse is expected to stay home and mind the babies is not fair.

Well, she might want to keep you around for at least your paycheck and housekeeping and childcare skills and willingness... That's the worst-case scenario, of course. What are her priorities? To stay with you, and remain child-free for another decade, and sow her wild oats, and then settle down to baby-making, or combine them in the near future?

How soon do you personally want to start a family? Do your priorities and hers match up at all?

But maybe not this part... the polysexual part. Search your heart. Would you honestly prefer monogamy, and a partner who is mono and puts family first, at least while the children are very young?


She spit out her polysexual desires at you, like a weapon during a disagreement? Like, "I can do better than you"? How did that make you feel?

I am figuring you're a (straight) guy and you've had fantasies about (FMF) threesomes, like most men. A fantasy and the reality have nearly nothing in common, however.

You'll need more than a feeling to make this work. You need to do research. I will tell you how. Go to our Golden Nuggets section and look at our list of articles and books on polyamory/ethical non-monogamy. There is also a podcast if you prefer that.


Most people start with reading a few articles, and then reading the book Opening Up. There is also a long list of older consolidated threads on any topic you can imagine. And of course you can do a search for any topic you are most concerned with.

Right now you are stumbling clueless in the dark! You can arm yourself with information on good poly practices, not just go on with a "lick and a promise" from her. Just because she may have some experience with ENM doesn't mean she's good at it.
I also just feel like I’m going crazy. I don’t want this to cause a strain in our relationship by dampening who she is. But I’m also like, I don’t know what to do. I thought about breaking up with her because I’ve only ever been in monogamous relationships. The initial thought of her fucking another girl both pisses me off and intrigues me. Mainly it pisses me off, because I don’t want to imagine that. But like, I can’t tell her to be monogamous if she’s not, so I’m just stuck.
 
You sound panicked. Take the pressure off yourself, and take your time making a decision. You don't have to be ok with everything tomorrow.
 
You sound panicked. Take the pressure off yourself, and take your time making a decision. You don't have to be ok with everything tomorrow.
I was panicked. I told her that I don’t want to do anything yet, but in the future, I'd be willing to try it. It's just right now we’ve only been together for basically 7 months, and we haven’t had time to establish us yet, and I don't want to introduce anyone into that yet. But she seems okay w it.
 
Going with what you said, me and my girlfriend are both women. I probably should’ve prefaced that at the beginning, so that’s my bad.
Okay. It makes a bit of a difference, given our culture, but relationships are relationships, no matter the gender.
We want to do a sperm donor to have our kids.
If you're going to go to the trouble and expense to do that, you want to make sure you are both on the same page, as far as relationship form, and what kind of parenting you want to do. Most straight couples can have kids at the drop of a hat, but going into a gay parenting situation takes more consideration, right?
No, she didn’t spit out her desires at me during an argument, per se. There’s been a lot of stuff going on with her life as of right now-- constant deaths...
I am sorry for that stress!
There was a girl at the hospital she was at that she was talking about. I brought it up and said, "It seems like you want her." She kinda got upset, and was trying to deny it to herself. Once everything calmed down, she told me that I basically was right, that she did want someone else, and that she responded the way she did because she's never truly been able to go through with anything in the poly world because she's always seen herself as a “whore” for wanting more than one person.
Sadly, in our culture, there is so much pressure on us to find "The One." Anything else can be seen as morally corrupt, evil, even. This is becoming less so. The ideal of being married and mono forever, given our long lives, given that alternative love styles, being queer, loving more than one, especially if we are bi or pansexual, is seeming less relevant to many. Lots of people feel this way (that they must be mono, no matter what), and suppress and deny their true desires, even to themselves. The result of this suppression can be ugly, even deadly.

A very interesting book on this topic is Sex at Dawn. Check it out on Amazon. It's an anthropological look at humans' promiscuous natures, which have been pushed down by "civilization."
When we first got together, she kinda suppressed those feelings so she wouldn’t hurt me. But now that the conversation is here and clear, she wants to try it out. The main reason that this is completely messing with me is because she’s supposed to move in soon with me, and I wanted to propose to her in like 6 months to a year. And then shortly after, we were wanting to start with the sperm donors for her to get pregnant and bear the first kid.
Okay, these plans might be jumping the gun a little. I am glad her polyamorous feelings were revealed before moving in together, getting married and starting a family! I'd suggest putting the brakes on all of that. You've only been dating six months? One doesn't really get to know someone until at least a year, more like two, after you've been through some ups and downs together. Right now, you're really still in the infatuation phase, or what polyamorists call the "new relationship energy" (NRE) phase. You're still riding the high of hormones.

Maybe you're both getting into your 30s and feeling your bio-clocks ticking? But still, do not rush bringing the whole TTC and newborn thing into it yet, as you two still do not know, understand, accept and celebrate joyfully each other's sexualities and relationship preferences.

I know that polyamory can be even less accepted in the lesbian community than it is in the hetero world, not to mention the gay male world. So take your time with dealing with all this. (I'm AFAB, non-binary, and my one partner is MtoF trans. We've been accepted by older lesbians as lesbians, but been looked at askance when people find out we both have boyfriends too. But this depends on geographic areas, how progressive they are.)
I just don’t want our son/daughter to see their other mom out with a guy/girl and see them kissing and her [hear?] the wrong ideology of it.
We do have threads here on this. Just search "kids and poly," or "children and poly." Most kids accept their parents' relationship choices, as long as the parents are on the same page, be it polyamory, swinging, having close queer platonic partners, D/s power dynamics, or whatever. Of course, coming out and being out as ethical non-monogamists is just as tricky as coming out as gay/queer/bi. That topic is discussed here all the time.

Older kids and teens today are well-exposed, through social media, to the concept of open relationships and polyamory, as well as queer topics. So I wouldn't really worry too much about that.
I would prefer her to wait on acting on anything, but that’s also not my choice.
What does this mean? Wait until you've been together a whole year, two years? Until you're living together, or married? Until you've had a couple kids and they are school age?

Try reading some articles and books from our resource list here:

When I was first talking abt this with her and some other friends, she had said, “I want to leave you, so you don’t have to go through this, because I feel bad for making you do this for me.”
Maybe she would be better off with someone who is also polyamorous or polysexual, yes. This is going to be a big struggle. She is not really okay with her love style/nature/preferences, so how can you be? And ultimately, you should not "do it for her." Polyamory should be approached with the full and joyful knowledge and consent of all involved. There has to be something in it for you, too. If there isn't, after giving it a good try, it is not recommended to "bend yourself into pretzels" just to hold on to her. That will just mean constant pain.
“I just can’t see my future without you in it."
But on the other hand, maybe you two can work it out, if you have the strength and desire. However, sometimes love is not enough.
All the people i was asking were telling me to leave... At first I had thought about breaking up with her, but we’ve been together awhile. I want to try this out with her, because, as she said, I can’t look 15 years into the future and not see her with me... We’ve imagined so much of our life together, that I can’t see myself being monogamous for another person but her.
Again, it's only been six months. That is really not long at all. :( And "imagining a future" is just fantasy. Reality is something else. I can see you feel very strongly for each other. Trying to make this work is your (shared) choice. I recommend lots of reading, here on the board, plus the articles and books and podcast from our resources. You have a lot of desires to take into consideration. Hard choices and life-altering changes are coming.
 
Your heart doesn't sound into this. And you've only been dating 7 mos.

Seems kinder to both of you to end things peacefully. You could decide whether you want to be “plain exes,” who don’t really hang out but wave or nod if you run into each other at the grocery store, or take some time to heal and eventually become “exes and friends,” where a friendship might be possible later.

Ending things this way doesn’t dampen who she is—and it doesn’t dampen who you are. You’re not abandoning yourself just to keep the relationship going or avoid a breakup.

If she knew this about herself, why wait so long to disclose it? This is something she could have shared with potential partners before the first date or right after: “I’m not looking for monogamy. I want to share love with one person, but be able to share casual sex with others.”
She's always seen herself as a “whore” for wanting more than one person. So when we first got together, she kinda suppressed those feelings so she wouldn’t hurt me. But now that the conversation is here, it's clear she wants to try it out.

I don't know why she calls herself a "whore" and hurts herself like that. There's nothing wrong with wanting polyamory, but if she's going around calling herself names and suppressing... it sounds like she's got personal work to do before she can do healthy dating.

With exes cheating in the past, you also have your own personal work to do.

That doesn't change the disclosure part, though. It would have saved a lot of heartache to know from the start that your desires weren’t compatible, because she wants poly (amory or sexuality) and you don't.

Take what you can from this experience, and when you start dating again, be upfront about asking people what they’re looking for—ENM, polyamory, monogamy, or something else, so you don’t end up in the same situation.

Super disappointing, though. I can see this hurts. :(

I can’t see myself being with someone else because we’ve imagined so much of our life together. I can’t see myself being monogamous for another person but her.

It sounds like you are in anticipatory grief, not just for her, but for the imagined future with her.

If you are going to try this anyway, I suggest you SLOW WAY DOWN. No living together, no marriage proposals, no kids. There are enough struggles here without adding more things to the pile.

It's also a lot of work to do polyamory when you don't really want it, if you end up getting less of the partner's time and attention because they are also dating others. If you live in your own homes, if things don't pan out, it's just a break-up. It's not a break-up, having to find a new flat, moving, dealing with living with an ex to ride out the lease, etc. Definitely no marriage or kids yet.

Maybe consider working with a counselor to see if poly/open relationship is for you, with her in the mix; if it's for you, just not compatible with her; or if it's not for you at all.


Do your soul searching. Be super honest with yourself. If you really just don't want this, break up peacefully and don't go there. Sometimes one parents before one's kids are even here. You don't bring them into wonky situations. You choose not to have them right now.

Galagirl
 
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i talked to her about it more and we decided to stay together. I told her I want to be only monogamous right now, but we can be poly, open the relationship up, later on, once we’ve established the relationship. She agreed to that.
 
We decided to stay together. I told her I want to be only monogamous right now, but later on we can be open. She agreed to that.
Is there an agreed-upon timeframe?
 
Is there an agreed-upon timeframe?
No, there is not. I said later on in our lives, because we both do want to stick to our original plan of getting engaged, married and then trying to have kids and settle down. Not all right now, of course. But I told her I wouldn’t be able to do all of that with her if she’s wanting to be polyamorous with other people because I'd feel weird about it. And she’s fine with that.
 
No, there is not. I said later on in our lives, because we both do want to stick to our original plan of getting engaged, married and then trying to have kids and settle down. But I told her I wouldn’t be able to do all of that with her if she’s wanting to be polyamorous. I'd feel weird about it. She’s fine with that.
So she's staying monogamous indefinitely with you? Because there is no timeframe, no milestone (like "kids go to school"), and even if there was a milestone that far in the future, I don't know if you can make a reliable promise this uncertain.
I'm not saying it is wrong if she's genuinely fine staying monogamous - sometimes the option to talk about crushes and poly desires, even if not pursued, is enough for people - but an agreement "later in life, not specified when, we'll change our relationship structure completely" does sound like a ticking bomb (or a Damocles sword over your head, ending your marriage later).
 
So she's staying monogamous indefinitely with you? Because there is no timeframe, no milestone (like "kids go to school"), and even if there was a milestone that far in the future, I don't know if you can make a reliable promise this uncertain.
I'm not saying it is wrong if she's genuinely fine staying monogamous - sometimes the option to talk about crushes and poly desires, even if not pursued, is enough for people - but an agreement "Later in life, not specified when, we'll change our relationship structure completely" does sound like a ticking bomb (or a Damocles sword over your head, ending your marriage later).
I explained to her that IF she wants to try and open our relationship up in the future, we’ll have to talk about it first. And if we do have kids like our original plan, they have to be grown up enough to understand, not when they’re toddlers or like young kids. Preteen-teenage is when I’d be okay with her experiencing polyamory/opening our relationship. I’m okay with the thought of it later on, but not right now, because I want my girlfriend to stay that: MY girlfriend, not someone else’s.
 
FYI, normalising a non traditional family structure is generally easier for younger children.
 
I explained to her that IF she wants to try and open our relationship up in the future we’ll have to talk about it first and if we do have kids like our original plan they have to be grown up enough to understand. not when they’re toddlers or like young kids. preteen-teenage is when i’d be okay w her experiencing polyamory/opening our relationship.
[N]ormalising a non-traditional family structure is generally easier for younger children.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply above that babies, toddlers, and elementary school-age kids shouldn't be exposed to ENM. As long as the kids are kept safe, they will just accept that Mom has a close friend, or friends. They just won't necessarily be as okay with Mom gone multiple nights a week on dates. Young kids, of course generally, want their parents around as much as possible. However, kids will adapt to a parent's absence, like if they work long hours, travel for work, are deployed in the military, etc., as long as both parents aren't acrimonious about it themselves.

Preteens and teens have an awareness of sex and romance and will understand ENM with an age-appropriate understanding too.

Just like if you were a divorced parent, new partners could be not introduced to the kids right away, only to possibly disappear after a bond has formed. That's one consideration.

Here's our multi-page thread devoted to Children and Polyamory:

 
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