Nervous introduction

CuriousRavens

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Evening,

First of all you'll have to forgive me because this is a whole new thing for me and rather than just searching the internet I thought I would seek out some advice from people as opposed to highly opinionated (positive or negative) perspectives on things.

An intro - the reason I am here (SO isn't aware fully I'm asking but that will make sense shortly). Married couple, childhood sweethearts with kids in our thirties. Never had any issues, nothing amazing to report really just the white picket fence life.

Lately I have noticed my wife bringing the conversation around a lot more to more open lifestyles. A few of her friends have polyamorous relationships, some have gone well and others not so well (one currently going through divorce). We've always kind of brushed off the idea but about 12 months ago she brought it up and we had a very long conversation over a few days which progressed from "how would you feel hypothetically" to then identifying things we would want as ground rules before the conversation ended.

While I was at work the conversation continued via messages and grew until suddenly it was shut down with "clearly you've been thinking about it more than me, is that what you want!?!" Straight away I did the natural [panic thing and the conversation died, then I remembered that she had started the conversation in the first place.

Every few months we would share updates on exploits of "bad-experience" friend before it started to break down. We would go down the light-hearted talking about it before she'd go shy and change the subject.

Now needless to say when it becomes a regular drop into conversation I sat and did my own research and had a lot of hypothetical thoughts on my own which included the fact that I realised five years ago maybe I'd have been gobsmacked but oddly the idea doesn't sit badly with me.

I can't quite explain it yet one long message conversation she was candid and said with the bad experience friend's example she would be worried of one or the other falling in love and leaving, she even described it as the idea of a slow divorce so I considered the conversation done with.

Then a few months ago another evening in and conversation turned to the types of people we find attractive. Needless to say with a glass of gin or three we began to open up a fair bit and quite out of the blue she declares "I know you'd not have ended up with me if it hadn't been for that night we met, that's how I know we are strong and meant to be" then carries on describing men she finds attractive and in her words "would look at" which was quite obviously not me. Again no jealousy just the idea that I was OK with the conversation and thought processes.

Quite light-hearted I told her I don't think I'd be upset if she ended up saying she wanted more from life, we met young and we have a long future ahead of us. She quickly said "when would I find the time to have another man" and then deflected onto the fact she thought I would find it easy.

Conversation ended.

Then come to now where I'm away from home staying on business at a conference and the last two evenings I've been inundated with messages and chats. First she's watching some silly show about matchmaking and we start talking about how she'd know it was me if I was naked etc, then said who would you line up and she begins to explain some details. The conversation continues and again I drop that I wouldn't be averse to the idea.

Then last night I get a message out of nowhere saying she's watching a documentary on polyamory and that she's confused. Well we then spend a lot of the night to and fro with internet definitions, articles, links etc and naturally the conversation progresses.

She mentions there was an open threesome and I say I'd rather not watch at first to which she replies "good". The conversations carry on then a random change (I read it as something happens on the show that makes her uncomfortable so leave it for a bit). Then the conversation fizzles around the fact it seems too confusing, open relationships seem a better idea and we go to bed.

Cue this morning when the conversation resumes with us actually discussing the sorts of people we would like to encounter with and actually creating a list of pros and cons. It gets thrown in if I would experience bi-sexual to which I answer honestly. The conversation continues and we even, rather light-heartedly discuss the concept of days for others, days for us and designated date nights for us! She then returns to the fact she thinks she would struggle to find someone to which I say she would be given free rein first to be comfortable. Conversation goes on and then she stipulates Fridays are out of bounds, classed as a weekend and a no no.

Then work takes over and the conversation has stopped.

That gives you a flavour of the last 12 or so months in a nutshell so I can't actually tell if it's idle conversation, thoughts from her side or just curiosity. She seems averse to the idea of falling in love and brings it around towards exploring but then closes down when it starts to gain legs.

A few times I will admit the question has been levelled "so, have you been thinking about it" to which I do the scared thing and play it down which I suppose is my own worst enemy.

I've got a road trip back in a week or so and wondering how all this is happening and whether I'm reading into it right or wrong!

So really I'm open to getting ideas while things bubble in the background (or I may be reading it all wrong).

Advice welcome, any more details then drop me a private message.

Knowing my luck she's already on here and I look a right idiot now.
 
Greetings CuriousRavens,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It kind of sounds like your wife is not quite ready for open/poly yet, but she is getting ready little by little. I want to recommend a book to you (to both of you): "Opening Up: a guide to creating and sustaining open relationships," by Tristan Taormino. It's not too long, fairly easy reading and it covers a lot of the basics you would want to discuss. I recommend you both read it, perhaps read it together and discuss as you go along. When you get to the end, that might be a good time to discuss whether this is something you actually want to do, or if you want to spend some more time talking about it first. There's no need to be in a hurry, take all the time you need. Don't try to force it, you'll know if/when you're ready.

I feel that you're doing the right thing in coming to this forum. You can ask questions and get answers as you go along, don't hesitate to post whenever you need a helping hand. You might want to post your story a second time in Poly Relationships Corner, it is our most active board and our best board for getting a lot of advice/feedback from the most people. Of course if you just want to continue the discussion in this intro thread that works too. Have a look around, exploring our various threads and boards, and see if it raises questions for you, or if even some of your questions will be answered just from looking. In any case, we are here to help. Perhaps your wife would want to join us too, that way she could ask her own questions, and just converse with us.

Thank you for sharing your story.
Sincerely,
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Welcome.

TBH? I find a "hinting around" communication style very annoying. I also find "popcorn thoughts" communication style annoying. I prefer to set time to talk PLAIN and then I try to do my best listening and be present in the conversation. (For context -- I have to hang with my Alzheimer dad. He CANNOT talk to me in a straight line. I spend all day "decoding" the hints or receving random "popcorn" thoughts that fly in his head. So I'm not eager to do it with other people and witter round and round. It exhausts me. )

If her circuitous approach is confusing you, I suggest you seek clarification or set a limit.

1) Either have the conversations and put it on the table PLAIN.

"Hon, what's all this open/poly conversation stuff been about this past year? Just chit chat? Or you actually want to consider it on the back burner? Or consider it on the front burner? What is it you want to talk about? Sharing sex with other people? Sharing love? Both? Neither? "​

Or 2) Stop participating in these things when she brings them up like this.

Say "No, thank you. I don't want to talk about this like that/at this time. Either we talk for real, or we don't talk. But this up and downy thing with random texts at my work -- that bothers me. "​

While I was at work the conversation continued via messages and grew until suddenly it was shut down with "clearly you've been thinking about it more than me, is that what you want!?!" Straight away I did the natural [panic thing and the conversation died, then I remembered that she had started the conversation in the first place.

Why is she bothering you at work with this? Aren't you supposed to be working? It cannot wait until you are home? And why is she so accuse-y?

A few times I will admit the question has been levelled "so, have you been thinking about it" to which I do the scared thing and play it down which I suppose is my own worst enemy.

Why are you scared to share your thoughts honestly and openly with your wife? Because she gets accuse-y like above?

And if just talk gets you scared and you "run away" from doing more talk to reach greater understanding or do conflict resolution... what makes you think you guys can practice poly or open?

I'm not trying to be mean when I ask that. Just saying honest and clear communication is a big part of successful poly or open relationships. But you don't seem to already be doing honest and clear communication with each other even though you are childhood sweethearts now in your 30s. That's a long time together. So... what prevents you guys communicating with each other more up front? :confused:

And how would this communication style work with more people in the mix? More people being avoid-y or up and downy or odd with the communication and feeling confused/not sure what is going on? That doesn't sound like a fun thing to participate in to me. :(

In case it helps any...

http://openingup.net/resources/free-downloads-from-opening-up/

http://www.practicalpolyamory.com/downloadabledocuments.html

http://www.kathylabriola.com/articles

https://www.morethantwo.com/


I've got a road trip back in a week or so and wondering how all this is happening and whether I'm reading into it right or wrong!

So really I'm open to getting ideas while things bubble in the background (or I may be reading it all wrong).


I suggest you go home and speak plain. Maybe something like...

"Hi. Can we talk about some stuff I'm confused about? (obtain consent to do it then or set an appointment time to talk later)

"So I was on a road trip and I'm back. While away, I was wondering about all these open/poly conversations you keep bringing up over the last year. Then all the texts those hotel nights. What is the purpose of these talks? Could you be willing to clarify what this all about?

  • Is it to persuade me to give open relationships or poly relationship a try?
  • Is it to inform me that you want to go there?
  • Is it to entertain me/us and just fantasize new things together?
  • Something else?

I can't actually tell if it's idle conversation, thoughts from your side or just curiosity. You seems averse to the idea of falling in love with other people and bring it around towards exploring X. Then you close down conversations. So I cannot tell if this is fun fantasy conversation that went wrong or kinda fantasy and kinda real to you or upsetting you or what."


Lean into it and sort it out... whatever it is. Keep it simpler on yourself and address it straight on.

Galagirl
 
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Hi CuriousRavens - and welcome to the Forum! As you and your wife discuss the possibility of transitioning your marriage to polyamory, please do feel free to post any specific thoughts and questions that you might have. We have a number of experienced poly folks here who are generally helpful and friendly. The Poly Relationships Corner and General Poly Discussion sections are quite active.

Be sure and take a careful look at what you and your wife really want to accomplish. If sexual variety is a key factor, and there is concern about falling in love with others and how that would affect your marriage, you might consider the swinger scene, which is couple-centric and focused on recreational sex rather than establishing ongoing loving relationships (often, couples will attend swinger parties together). If you do decide to try polyamory, with each of you dating separately (generally viewed as the most ethical and practical way to practice polyamory), make sure you realize that it is a virtual truism in the poly community that poly wives have a much easier time finding dates/partners than poly husbands. Very often the husband who thought he wanted poly ends us at home on Saturday nights with the kids while the wife is out on dates. Of course, situations vary, and sometimes the husband already has a strong possibility for a partner going in to a transition to a poly marriage.

I also recommend thoroughly researching the topic. GalaGirl offered some excellent links. Here's a link to another collection of links to poly sites:
http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showpost.php?p=405543&postcount=1

There are a number of good books on polyamory. The one I would most recommend as an introduction to poly is: Opening Up: A Guide to Creating and Sustaining Open Relationships by Tristan Taormino. Available in hard copy and digital.

Best of luck on your journey! Al
 
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Hi CR!

I'm pretty new to all of this myself, having started exploring the concept of polyamory in earnest maybe a couple of weeks ago.

As such I don't think I'm exactly experienced in poly stuff, but something in what you said is ringing with my own thoughts of the past week so I'll try weigh in as best I can.

Now needless to say when it becomes a regular drop into conversation I sat and did my own research and had a lot of hypothetical thoughts on my own which included the fact that I realised five years ago maybe I'd have been gobsmacked but oddly the idea doesn't sit badly with me.

This quote from your post felt immediately familiar to me. Thinking back on my past relationship that opened up, I realised that I'm capable of having several emotional and sexual connections with other people without it feeling in any way wrong. For my partner at the time, it was absolutely not the case; he found our opening up much more of a battle, and I thought that this was something that could change with time and conversation.

Then I read this thread that I think has a lot of weight around here: http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3230

It goes into theory about being mono or poly 'wired'. After reading it, I realised that not only was it okay to feel like I do about multiple connections, but also that I cannot expect someone mono to reach that feeling, because it may be a case of their wiring not allowing them to.

To me it sounds like you two MIGHT have different wiring. If this is the case, and you decide to try and make a mono-poly relationship work, it would take a lot of open-mindedness, research, and boundary-making on both sides.

NB Just to reiterate, I am very, very new to all of this myself; I just wanted to share these thoughts because they're fresh. And I haven't read enough to know that the idea of 'wiring' holds water in every case, but it seems to for me. Hope that this helps in any way, and that you guys find a relationship state that works for you both.
 
I can empathise with a lot of what you say. As a previously mono couple who are now happily poly we took a similar path. Ok our conversation wasn't as stop/start as yours but I can recognise the route. I would say for us the conversation lasted about 2 years and started with it being an intellectual exercise, and then moved from "if you can imagine" to the "what if we" stage, through "well if we did.." and finally to talking logistics and practicalities.

Generally we would have a conversation, then a gap while we thought or read. Then another conversation. I think that was good. Not that you get everything right even with good communication. I think where we are now is different to where we imagined we would be in the later stages of our discussions, some of which was naivety.
 
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