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BasicallyANoob

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Hi all! This is my first time posting here, and it's a bit weird so please forgive me if I sound uncanny. :p

I bet there have been similar threads to the one I'm about to start, but I have trouble knowing what terms to search for. In very short, I need advice on whether this is for me or not.

Some context: I am in a very happy relationship with my current girlfriend. One of the things I really appreciate about it, and hold dear to my heart, is that we are both able to be very honest about ourselves. We regularly tell each other what we're feeling, without barriers, and I understand that is very valuable. I think communication is key to a happy life, more often than not.

She happens to still be exploring her sexuality in many ways. One of them is that she recently realized she's into girls, and specifically, as it became clear, she thinks a lot about a friend of hers who makes regular advances on her. We have talked about it a lot, and played around with the idea.

If I may be graphical for a minute, on a mutual agreement that everything goes in fantasy, I helped her imagine what it would be like with that friend of hers, and seeing how it made her feel in that moment I felt what I think you guys call compersion. It was arousing to no end to see her feeling so happy from another person who loved her. Not only that, but it felt...beautiful? It's a weird thing. I was really happy for her. She subsequently hinted very strongly at the fact that she would perhaps want it to happen, and be more of a polyamorous relationship type deal than an aside excursion, if that makes sense (I'm new to all this so I may be completely wrong here).

I know I'm describing her as very shifty in the above paragraph, while I said we were very honest with each other. So what's going on? Well, there are two reasons. The first I think, and she hinted at that as well, is that she is still discovering her interest for girls, and perhaps feels like it is easier if I, or her friend, take the initiative rather than the other way around. The other reason is the same reason I'm here. She's confused and doesn't know herself if that's true or not.

Which brings me to myself. I am here because I need some kind of input from people who live this lifestyle already. I feel oddly fine with it, and even happy for her if it were to happen, but also I cannot help but wonder if I'm being blinded by love/lust. I am not attracted to this friend of hers, so that's not the point. But I guess my worry is, what if I allow it to happen and then instantly regret it and find out that there's no coming back? Put it another way, how do I know if it's for me? How did you know?

The way she was describing her feelings seemed genuine and beautiful to me. I guess I should also point out that part of me wants her to experience this side of her sexuality that she has just discovered, and experience love in a different way. If I can be allowed to be at her side while she does (metaphorically I mean—at least at first :LOL:) then I really feel like I do not mind. More than not minding, it would actually make me very happy.

Another thing I should point out is that, because of unfortunate circumstances, she and I cannot see each other for extended periods of time and live in two countries very far apart. That friend of hers would be close to her everyday, and I don't know how that would affect the dynamic of it.

I know this is a ton, so I'll cut it short. TL;DR How do I know it's for me and won't make me miserable? I feel conflicted—leaning more on the side of "yes please!" but also a part of me that says, "god no!"

Thank you very much for reading. Sorry if I said anything wrong, or if I'm not in the right place or anything. I barely know anything about this type of relationship, and am willing to learn.

Cheers. :)
 
Kevin may be along later to offer you a more formal welcome, but HELLO!

From my (one person) perspective - you won't actually know until you KNOW from experience - it's kind of a leap of faith. But you are right in the idea that you can't put the genie back in the bottle, either. In my opinion, it is better to try on these things sooner rather than later, then at least you have an answer. How old are the two of you and how long have you been together?

If you talk to my husband (he's not a member here) he would tell you that nothing but good and fun times would result from your SO exploring her interest in women (whether or not you are invited to participate). He facilitated my first excursions into exploring my bisexuality - including with one of his friends that wanted to explore her girl attraction but wanted someone else to make the move....which I did! Be prepared, this friend may be up for flirting and have different ideas of where things go from there. (i.e. she may view your SO as a "safe" person to flirt with because she is partnered, but may flake when an actual interaction is on the table).

Be aware - Fantasy and fact don't always mesh, and sexual attraction does not necessarily equate with a predisposition to poly.. Your girlfriend doesn't sound "shifty" - just questioning. Her feelings are "genuine and beautiful" - but that, unfortunately, does mean that the actions based on those feelings will be the same.

I am a bit concerned about your phrase "if I allow it to happen" - like you are her owner. Can we rephrase this to something along the lines of "If I consent to this"? I don't want to nit-pick but SHE gets to decide what she consents to and YOU get to decide what you will tolerate in a relationship.
 
Kevin may be along later to offer you a more formal welcome, but HELLO!
Hi Jane, nice to meet you! 👋
From my (one person) perspective - you won't actually know until you KNOW from experience - it's kind of a leap of faith. But you are right in the idea that you can't put the genie back in the bottle, either. In my opinion, it is better to try on these things sooner rather than later, then at least you have an answer. How old are the two of you and how long have you been together?
We are young adults. 20 and 19 respectively. We have been together for a few months. I know this may sound very frivolous, but I also know from my past experience that we have a very healthy bond. In fact I wouldn't even consider this an option with anyone else.

Maybe that makes the choice easier? Since we're at the very beginning of our relationship, and this came up so naturally, it might be better now than later.
If you talk to my husband (he's not a member here) he would tell you that nothing but good and fun times would result from your SO exploring her interest in women (whether or not you are invited to participate). He facilitated my first excursions into exploring my bisexuality - including with one of his friends that wanted to explore her girl attraction but wanted someone else to make the move....which I did! Be prepared, this friend may be up for flirting and have different ideas of where things go from there. (i.e. she may view your SO as a "safe" person to flirt with because she is partnered, but may flake when an actual interaction is on the table).
Thanks for reassuring me! I have to confess I hadn't thought about that possibility regarding her friend. She has been flirty with her already before we were dating. But you may be right that there is a component of that. I suppose there would need to be a discussion with her anyway, if it were to go down that way.
Be aware - Fantasy and fact don't always mesh, and sexual attraction does not necessarily equate with a predisposition to poly.. Your girlfriend doesn't sound "shifty" - just questioning. Her feelings are "genuine and beautiful" - but that, unfortunately, does mean that the actions based on those feelings will be the same.
I understand that. In fact I've long been into kinks, some of which I know I would prefer they remain fantasy. That includes things like “cuckolding” or being violently dominated. Note that this instance we're discussing has nothing to do with cuckolding. At least I don't see it as such.

I understand what you're saying, and the risk of her leaving for someone else. To me that's fair. I feel like I would be a dick to request she shouldn't have feelings for other people. I think even in a purely monogamous context, one cannot request that of anyone.

If I do consent to it, then I understand I'm also consenting to the risk of our relationship changing in a way that will pull me out of it. But on the other hand, if that is really how it ends up happening, then the conclusion is that it would have happened one way or the other. This way seems much more appealing.
I am a bit concerned about your phrase "if I allow it to happen" - like you are her owner. Can we rephrase this to something along the lines of "If I consent to this"? I don't want to nit-pick but SHE gets to decide what she consents to and YOU get to decide what you will tolerate in a relationship.
Oh yeah, sorry. Bad wording. 😁 You're absolutely correct, and of course it's not so much about me sharing as it is about her exploring.

Thank you very much for your reply!
 
Welcome.

To me? Young adulthood is a good time to explore and figure oneself out... just be safe doing it. I gave this book to my kids.

S.E.X., second edition: The All-You-Need-To-Know Sexuality Guide to Get You Through Your Teens and Twenties

She subsequently hinted very strongly at the fact that she would perhaps want it to happen, and be more of a polyamorous relationship type deal than an aside excursion, if that makes sense (I'm new to all this so I may be completely wrong here).

So....

Rather than strictly monogamous where there is only you and her...
  • She's hinting at monogamish -- where it is mostly monogamous, with occasional casual sex encounters with other people?
  • Or she is hint/asking if you would consider being together in a polyamorous V with her as the hinge with two partners where she shares both romance and sex?
If you are both being up front and honest with each other?

How about you ask her directly? Could say something like...

"I need clarification. Were you hinting around the other day rather than asking me directly? Like are you asking me if I'd be up for something monogamish or a polyamorous V with you as hinge with two partners?"

If you both consent to TALK about changing the relationship model so you both can date other people and do some form of ethical non-monogamy, could slow your roll and do some reading first. Figure out what kind(s) of non-monogamy both are up for or not.

Not jump in underprepared. Or her leaping into sharing sex with that friend who keeps flirting with her or hitting on her. It may be all the friend wants to do is have a "fun flirt only." Or it might be the friend is stepping on toes or crossing boundaries and your GF doesn't realize it because she's got crush glasses on and makes excuse.



could be two articles to start with.

Then



might be more reading. There are many others like the Opening Up Book. Then if after consideration you both want to go there? You have made your new agreements and you go there. This isn't gonna be Open for her, but not for you, right?

I suppose there would need to be a discussion with her anyway, if it were to go down that way.

And that would be your GF's job to approach and vet her potentials, right? Not like you trying to do her work for her or you trying to find her dates for her?

The way she was describing her feelings seemed genuine and beautiful to me. I guess I should also point out that part of me wants her to experience this side of her sexuality that she has just discovered, and experience love in a different way. If I can be allowed to be at her side while she does (metaphorically I mean—at least at first :LOL:) then I really feel like I do not mind. More than not minding, it would actually make me very happy.

You know group sex is not a requirement in polyamory, right? And a person should not have to date you or share sex with you just to gain access dating your GF?

Whatever happens between her and a new female lover is between them. Because it would not be only your GF's info. There's another real person. And that person may not consent to your GF blabbing to others about their encounters. This wouldn't be like before where you and your GF where fantasizing together about her having sex with a woman.

It's one thing to be supportive of her exploring this side of her sexuality and consenting to practice some kind of ethical non-mongamy. It's another to be too up in her business or trying to be too much like a joined at the hip "CoupleBlob." That might be something else to read.


I suggest you talk more, do some reading, and go slow.

Galagirl
 
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Hello BasicallyANoob,
Here are a couple of links that may be helpful:
Just a note, there is such a thing as a mono/poly relationship, so even if your girlfriend is poly, you can still be mono. That can work. Of course, poly/poly can work as well.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 

Hi! :wave
  • She's hinting at monogamish -- where it is mostly monogamous, with occasional casual sex encounters with other people?
  • Or she is hint/asking if you would consider being together in a polyamorous V with her as the hinge with two partners where she shares both romance and sex?

Definitely the second. We talked about it properly yesterday. I thank you all for your help. I'm going to read those links you shared. Definitely interested! :)

This isn't gonna be Open for her, but not for you, right?

Open to one person seems to be the current situation. And yes, I rather think she wouldn't be comfortable with it being open on my side. It's complicated. Please understand we're both still very conservative by many standards, and doing an effort to understand and do what's right for each other.

And that would be your GF's job to approach and vet her potentials, right? Not like you trying to do her work for her or you trying to find her dates for her?

Of course not, that would be a bit too imposing of me I think.

You know group sex is not a requirement in polyamory, right? And a person should not have to date you or share sex with you just to gain access dating your GF?

Yeah, that's why I made it clear I meant it metaphorically when I said, "by her side." Again, that would be pretty self-centered of me. I'm not gonna creep on my girlfriend.




There has been some motion since yesterday. We had a thorough discussion, where we put down a list of options, and challenges. It turns out that the trickiest one, one we'd not really considered, is that her friend is not going to accept that she is not completely hers. This to me tips the balance towards something of a difficulty. Again, and because I want to make it totally clear, I totally respect whatever choice she makes anyway. But the poly relationship specifically might be difficult in this case.

We are still thinking over it though. And I'll be back if there's more.

Thank you everyone for the nice and thoughtful advise!
 
There has been some motion since yesterday. We had a thorough discussion and we put down a list of options and challenges. It turns out that the trickiest one, which we'd not really considered, is that her friend is not going to accept that she is not completely hers. This tips the balance towards something of a difficulty. The poly relationship specifically might be difficult in this case.
So this friend has been "making advances" on your gf for some time, knowing she's already in a relationship. But it seems she had an intention to get your gf to break up with you in order to date her? Yeah. First of all, that's pretty skeevy of this friend. Second of all, this seems to rule out ethical non-monogamy with this "friend" altogether. It seems your gf will need to seek a poly female lover elsewhere.
 
I'm going to call your GF a generic name like "Apple" and that friend "Banana" just to make writing a bit easier. I'm happy to go with what you pick if you prefer something else.

It turns out that the trickiest one, one we'd not really considered, is that her friend is not going to accept that she is not completely hers.

So... how did you learn this info? Did Apple have a talk with Banana to see if Banana would be up for a poly V?
And Banana said no because Banana is monogamous and prefers it just Banana and Apple? And then Apple told you the result of the convo?

If so...

You don't have to do anything. It's a non-runner.

Apple on the other hand might have to do some contemplation.
  • What was Banana hoping to do with the flirting? Did Apple and Banana agree they flirt for fun and it doesn't go anywhere?
  • Or was Banana hoping to coax your GF to dump you in favor of dating them?
  • Is that friendly, respectful behavior to Apple?
    • Or Apple never thought about it that way because Apple was distracted with their own crush stuff on Banana?

Again... none of that has anything to do with you. Nor is it your job.

But if Apple's trying to figure themselves out, their attraction to women, and how to be a hinge in a poly V....They might think on all that.

Galagirl
 
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