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madyogi

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Hello all. I'm a 46 yo male in a committed marriage of 18 years. My wife and I have a 15 yo boy together. I have been the higher desire partner, in terms of sexuality and physical touch in general, really since our son was born. This was an okay situation for years, and one that got better and worse like seasons passing. The last 4-5 years, however, have become untenable. We have the same conversations 2-3 times a year, and nothing fundamentally changes. To push my needs for physical intimacy and touch aside, and to make day-to-day life workable and even fun, I took to drinking beer daily and would often hide how much I drank from my wife. The drinking never got in the way of my work, nor did it ever lead to failures to engage with our son's upbringing or to any kind of aggression or violence. It did, however, take a toll on my health.

As of 3 weeks ago, I resolved to quit drinking in the interest of losing weight and normalizing some blood levels that were starting to trend in the wrong direction. This time of sobriety has revealed one significant trigger for me: My wife's general lack of desire to engage in any regular physical intimacy with me. We have had a couple of conversations over the past two weeks about the possibility of opening up our marriage in some way to relieve us both of the need to "solve the problem" of her nonexistent libido. We haven't made any firm decisions or agreements, but something has to fundamentally change going forward. Joining this forum is one of the ways I am exploring the possibilities for both of us.

As an initial exercise, I want to describe how I see our relationship in the poly terms as I understand them. Please step in and help me out if I mis-state anything. My wife has essentially said that she has no desire for anyone to touch her. We have both agreed that we love each other dearly, and we share more than enough in terms of interests, beliefs, and values to remain together as partners. Divorce has not come up in any serious way at this point. Therefore, at least in the beginning, the most appropriate configuration would seem to be a hierarchical mono/poly arrangement, with my wife being my primary/nesting partner. I would be seeking a second female partner to share a connection with as part of a triad, within which I would be the hinge. Again, please correct my terminology as needed.

Finally, I would appreciate any advice from the community. Is this an arrangement that commonly comes up? I know I've seen some debate on the interwebs as to whether or not mono/poly arrangements are really workable. What are the thoughts around these parts on that issue? I live in central Arkansas, and I'm concerned I won't be able to find anyone interested in this sort of companionship. What are the best ways to begin connecting with others in my geographic location? Dating apps? Facebook groups? Other avenues? Should I expect it to be especially difficult for someone in my situation to find such a partner (not after a unicorn of any sort, btw)?

If you made it this far, thanks for reading such a long intro, and thanks in advance for any thoughts/advice.

Peace.
 
Greetings madyogi,
Welcome to our forum. Please feel free to lurk, browse, etc.

It sounds like you want/need more physical affection than what your wife is willing/able to provide. Polyamory could be a solution for you, although you have to ask, if you met someone who gave you the physical touch that you needed, would you still chafe over the fact that your wife is not giving you those things?

The arrangement you are considering, is one that commonly comes up. Polyamory can be a solution to "dead bed," as long as all three parties agree and are consenting. You just have to consider all of the possibilities ahead of time. Hopefully this would be a solution for you. You and your wife have been talking about it and that is a good start. You do have to consider the possibility that your wife will realize she wants poly for herself, having things open up on your side may effect a change on her side also.

It is hard to find someone interested in this sort of companionship, you have to be patient, but it can happen eventually. Dating apps and Facebook groups are a good place to start. Also you might want to look into scenarios where you could meet someone in person, a club or a class, something you are interested in, an indie concert, Ren Faire, sci-fi con, anything you are interested in that is a little outside of the norm, may be an opportunity to meet someone who is of an open mind. Also be ready to be just friends at first, a romantic connection may or may not come somewhat later on down the line.

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Welcome.

I don't know if these thoughts help you any. Use what is relevant and ignore the rest.

Divorce has not come up in any serious way at this point. Therefore, at least in the beginning, the most appropriate configuration would seem to be a hierarchical mono/poly arrangement, with my wife being my primary/nesting partner. I would be seeking a second female partner to share a connection with as part of a triad, within which I would be the hinge. Again, please correct my terminology as needed.

Even though separation/divorce are not wanted, you two could talk to a lawyer and draw up agreements, because you have a dependent teen. Like, people don't WANT their plane to crash, but they still pack parachutes, just in case. So, it's best to have that sorted and never need it, than to need it and then be trying to make an emergency plan while in the middle of high emotions.

You could talk about a hierarchical mono/poly arrangement. But you could also talk about what happens if that gets outgrown, or if wife suddenly wants to date. Maybe it's better to agree that both sides can date if they want to, and if she doesn't on her side, it's because she chooses not to. But on your side, you are prepared either way and wouldn't be blindsided if she suddenly decided to.

I think you mean a poly "V," where you are dating your wife and X, but wife and X are not dating each other. While a V is technically a type of triad, when people say "triad" they usually mean all 3 persons are dating each other.

Finally, I would appreciate any advice from the community. Is this an arrangement that commonly comes up? I know I've seen some debate on the interwebs as to whether or not mono/poly arrangements are really workable. What are the thoughts around these parts on that issue?

To me, it depends on whether or not it's STRICT monogamy or STRICT polyamory. If the toggles are like this--
  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and STRICT monogamy shape (only wants 1:1 relationships)
  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and relationship-shape flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or be an end point in a V)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and relationship-shape flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or various poly structures)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and STRICT polyamory shape (only wants to date in poly structures)

... then I think people are best dating in the same category, or one "neighbor" over. This would be too big a bridge to gap. The people are just incompatible.

  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and STRICT monogamy (only wants 1:1 relationships)
  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and relationship flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or be an end point in a V)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and relationship flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or various poly structures)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and STRICT polyamory (only wants poly structures)
I don't know anything about Arkansas. I think you could spend some time educating yourself with books, podcasts, websites, etc. You also could spend some time building your support network of friends and tell them about this change. Maybe spend some time making new poly friends. Maybe have a few sessions with a poly counselor.


If something goes wrong, you need people to support you. "Going at it alone" is lonely and depressing. You can not expect your wife to soothe you if you date someone else and break up with them. Nothing terrible, just the ordinary break-ups that come with any ol' dating. But it's not fair to ask wife to do extra emotional labor. She can't be impartial if she's inside the dating system. Also, she's not your free therapist.

If it DOES end up being something way bigger, you'll really need a support network in place, and it would be nice to already have a counselor you "click" with on your phone list.

One of my close friends had a quad. One of them died. The remaining triad was struggling with their grief. Then one partner broke up and left. My friend was doing double grieving. She was basically a widow AND divorced at the same time. Then there was a THIRD layer of grief, because her remaining partner was unsupportive after a point, thinking she was taking too long to get over it. Then there was a FOURTH layer of grief, because her family was unkind and saying things like, "What did you expect, doing that weird stuff? Maybe now you'll get over it," where had it been monogamy, they would have treated her more kindly for either becoming widowed or divorced.

It was a shock to realize that the people she showed up for, who counted on her, weren't going to show up for her. She could not count on them. She did not have an extended poly support network in place. I think I was the only one.

So maybe "have support network in place" is part of your preparation work.

So's telling your teen. They aren't little. They will notice. It's better they know what is going on, than wonder if you are stepping out and cheating on Mom. They are also going to be dating, if they aren't already. They might be approached for poly. So how are you teaching sex ed/relationship ed? Maybe this helps.

S.E.X : the all-you-need-to-know sexuality guide to get you through your teens and twenties

There are many things to think about. It's good to take some time to prepare, and not just jump into poly dating.

Galagirl
 
The arrangement you are considering, is one that commonly comes up. Polyamory can be a solution to "dead bed," as long as all three parties agree and are consenting. You just have to consider all of the possibilities ahead of time. Hopefully this would be a solution for you. You and your wife have been talking about it and that is a good start. You do have to consider the possibility that your wife will realize she wants poly for herself, having things open up on your side may effect a change on her side also.

Correct. That consideration has been made. This arrangement is a starting point, since she claims to be completely interested in any sexual intimacy. I realize that orientation could change (toward me, toward others, or both).

It is hard to find someone interested in this sort of companionship, you have to be patient, but it can happen eventually. Dating apps and Facebook groups are a good place to start. Also you might want to look into scenarios where you could meet someone in person, a club or a class, something you are interested in, an indie concert, Ren Faire, sci-fi con, anything you are interested in that is a little outside of the norm, may be an opportunity to meet someone who is of an open mind. Also be ready to be just friends at first, a romantic connection may or may not come somewhat later on down the line.

Good advice. Thank you!
 
Even though it is not wanted, you two could talk to a lawyer and draw up both separation agreements and divorce agreements because you have a dependent teen still. People don't WANT the plane to crash, but they still pack parachutes just in case. So best to have that sorted and never need it. Then to need it and then be trying to make the emergency plan when in the middle of high emotions.

Good advice.

You could talk about a hierarchical mono/poly arrangement. But you could also talk about what happens if that gets outgrown, or if wife suddenly wants to date. Maybe it's better to agree that both sides can date if they want to. And if she doesn't on her side it's because she chooses not to. But on your side? You are prepared either way and wouldn't be blindsided if she suddenly decided to.

Yes, this will be part of the conversation for sure. I believe we should both be free express our relationship preferences as they manifest. Her monogamy would be her choice if this comes to fruition.

I think you mean a "poly V" where you date your wife and X, but wife and X are not dating each other. While a poly V is technically a type of triad, when people say "triad" they usually mean all 3 persons dating each other.

Correct. I meant to say I would be seeking a partner for a "poly V," wherein I would be the hinge. Thanks for the clarification.

To me it depends on whether or not it's STRICT monogamy or STRICT polyamory. If the toggles are like this...
  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and STRICT monogamy shape (only wants 1:1 relationships)
  • monoamorous (want or capacity to love 1 sweetie) and relationship shape flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or be an end point in a V)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and relationship shape flexible (can do either monogamy/closed or various poly structures)
  • polyamorous (want or capacity to love more than 1 sweetie) and STRICT polyamory shape (only wants to date in poly structures)

... then I think people are best dating in the same category or one "neighbor" over. This would be too big a bridge to gap. The people are just incompatible.

I love this taxonomy. She would need to land in the second category (at minimum) for this to work. Based on previous conversations I know we are both questioning the validity of STRICT monogamy. However, we are both still exploring our feelings, so only time will tell.

I don't know anything about Arkansas. I think you could spend some time educating self with books, podcasts, websites etc. You also could spend some time building your support network of friends and tell them about this change. Maybe spend some time making new poly friends. Maybe have a few sessions with a poly counselor.

This is the plan.

Many things to think about. It's ok to take some time to prepare and not just jump into poly dating.

Indeed. Thank you for your thoughtful response!

Philip
 
The resources Galagirl mentions are in the Golden Nuggets forum that Kevin referred to.
 
Just one quick thing on your terminology, since you said you weren't sure if you were using the right terms. "Triad" means three people all dating/having sex with each other. What you are seeking is a "Vee" arrangement where you would be in a relationship with your wife and in a separate relationship with someone else. You would be the "Hinge" of the Vee.

I don't know if someone said this already; sorry, reading kind of quickly. Just wanted to make sure you aren't going to say that you're looking for a triad on dating sites, because that's not what you're looking for! (There are MANY couples looking for their "third" for a triad, so the term will be off-putting to poly women NOT seeking triads!)
 
Just one quick thing on your terminology, since you said you weren't sure if you were using the right terms. "Triad" means three people all dating/having sex with each other. What you are seeking is a "Vee" arrangement where you would be in a relationship with your wife and in a separate relationship with someone else. You would be the "Hinge" of the Vee.

I don't know if someone said this already; sorry, reading kind of quickly. Just wanted to make sure you aren't going to say that you're looking for a triad on dating sites, because that's not what you're looking for! (There are MANY couples looking for their "third" for a triad, so the term will be off-putting to poly women NOT seeking triads!)

Yes, that is correct. Thank you for the clarification!
 
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