Poly vs. lifestyle flexibility, your experience with change

Tinwen

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When beginner texts discuss the downsides of poly, several topics come up - time management, societal pressures, poly hell/managing the new and shiny NRE relationship. Rarely, if ever, have I seen discussed what I view (in my current phase of life) as perhaps the biggest downside - the decreased flexibility to make lifestyle changes (such as moving, or any big change in dynamics, in fact).

Big changes are hard enough to decide and make inside a couple, but with three or more people, the needs of everyone have to be taken care of in the process of change. Change may more easily get blocked by two out of three not benefiting from it. The larger group invites a more robust homeostasis. There may be relationship anarchy or solo-poly inclined people who will put lifestyle ahead of relationship duration, but at the very least, there is a pull between change and commitment.

In the case of a V formed from a couple +1, IMHO, this may amount to a particularly insidious and durable form of couples' privilege.

As a personal example (my situation and what I observe in my my friends' group - same dynamics):
The couple lives somewhere (perhaps their property, or someplace they actively chose together) and has an established lifestyle. A new relationship comes to be, and grows equally important. In the process of increasing commitment, the new person rents a flat nearby (no easy task, but a logical and doable solution at that time). The shared partner will divide his time spent at each and contribute financially to rent to make things fair. The new living arrangement just works, and we're now many years into the relationship.

Except, now the new partner wants a change-- perhaps life circumstances call for it, perhaps their flat is close, but not exactly according to their needs, perhaps they'd prefer to pool finances for shared property, perhaps the living area is far from their family, or just not close to their heart. But the established couple doesn't want to move. It's their property, or they chose their living area actively to best suit their needs. Moving would require a personal sacrifice from both of them, they'd hardly find something more suitable than they already have. After all, this living arrangement works, doesn't it?

(I'm not asking for personal advice here, I'm just giving the situation for context.)

Of course, I can imagine other variations of "two vs. one" dynamics.

Did you encounter situations when big life changes were required? How did you work it out? Did you observe any specific poly dynamics at play which would make the situation different from a monogamous dynamic?
 
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Mostly these have caused the end of relationships, IM (personal and secondhand) E. The difference is that the 2 haven't always been made up of the longer-established couple. Sometimes it's been more like one half of the established couple makes a choice for a different lifestyle than they had, and the newer partner is more compatible with that lifestyle, so they become the 2. That relationship may not last, and often doesn't weather the change of the monumental break up, but the lifestyle change often does persist to some extent.
 
The three people in my V have moved cross-country a number of times, and we're still going strong. So I guess we do okay with change in poly.
 
Yes I have seen massive changes

The one needs to make the decision
The rest need to decide if the same life decision is worth it.

My quad in its simplest form broke up because 1 decided to leave

Leaving the 3 of us to figure it out. None of us wanted to go with her

Of the 3 of us it was a very very soft v. So we (couple) ended up together and the other couple split.

I also tend to find there is a dominant decision maker and then a bunch of cats.

Right now my current situation, the quad is likely going to cohabitate in some way. Leaving us on the outs. In the end I am not really part of their cules decisions. So hopefully they pick somewhere close to me or close to what I would prefer to live.

The other priority I see a lot is major decisions are based on the lowest income. This is extremely annoying and effectual to folks who earn more.

So yes lots of life decisions and all very rarely follow couple privilege. Excluding the quad privilege I mention above.
 
The other priority I see a lot is major decisions are based on the lowest income. This is extremely annoying and effectual to folks who earn more.
I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?
 
The three people in my V have moved cross-country a number of times, and we're still going strong. So I guess we do okay with change in poly.
So what was your decision-making process?
 
I know what I want and what I don't want. That won't change because of a partner. If I have no stance on it then I'll be flexible to their needs. If I have a stance on it then no, I won't do it.

Ex: my partner wants to move to another state. I currently have the best health coverage I can get. All of the states he wants to move to would severely affect my ability to get quality health care or have climates that would have a negative impact on my health or create chronic pain for several months per year. I've done the research so my answer is no. I won't move, but he is free to go as he wishes.

These things are all about autonomy. If people want very different things then they are not compatible whether it mono/poly, kids, location, etc. doesn't matter.

Is this hard in poly? Yes. It's hard on any relationship. Poly just adds to it based on the number of people involved. The more there are, the more difficulty you'll have.
 
I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?
"Hey, polycule of 6, let's do a trip."

"All I can afford is a motel up the street."

So the trip ends up being the motel up the street (especially if they aren't willing to accept help).

I have run into this a few times. :)
 
That must be super frustrating Ari. I hope you've pointed out to those people that they are holding the whole group to ransom for their pride.
 
"Hey, polycule of 6, let's do a trip."

"All I can afford is a motel up the street."

So the trip ends up being the motel up the street (especially if they aren't willing to accept help).

I have run into this a few times. :)
So I'm understanding... the lowest earner refuses to stay any place they can't afford, even if the rest of the 'cule wants to help pay the difference?

There's the type that freeload and there's the type like this. I'd leave both of those types behind. I'm a person that doesn't have money. I can swing saving $100 per month. I'd let the group know what I can afford, how long it will take me to save that, and if that won't work for them then I can stay home, or they can pitch in on their own accord. I'm good either way. I've gone without and watched my friends do fun things I can't my entire life, and I've mastered being okay with that.
 
... the new partner wants a change-- perhaps life circumstances call for it, perhaps their flat is close, but not exactly according to their needs, perhaps they'd prefer to pool finances for shared property, perhaps the living area is far from their family, or just not close to their heart. But the established couple doesn't want to move. It's their property, or they chose their living area actively to best suit their needs. Moving would require a personal sacrifice from both of them, they'd hardly find something more suitable than they already have. After all, this living arrangement works, doesn't it?

(I'm not asking for personal advice here, I'm just giving the situation for context.)

Did you encounter situations when big life changes were required? How did you work it out? Did you observe any specific poly dynamics at play which would make the situation different from a monogamous dynamic?
You say you don't want "advice," but you're asking for people to share experiences or give feedback. You want information and support, not "Here's what you should do," or, "What your friends with similar experiences/issues should do."

Let's focus on you, since that's what you have control over, and it's most important and close to your heart.

Are you unhappy living in a flat in the same building as your partner and his wife and kid? Do you want a better place to live? Do you have a job opportunity elsewhere? Do you want or need to move closer to a relative who needs help? It sounds like your partner is set in staying with his family where they are, and it's up to you to move... probably losing him as your partner as a consequence. Is that it?

Yes, I do think in poly, where there is legal marriage, or an established nesting dyad, the newer partner often gets the short end of the stick. It's a test of how strong the bond is between you and your partner. Probably his wife is happy with where they are, and so he's got to make a choice. I bet since he has a young child, he'll want to remain with that side of the family.

Now you get to decide what is more important to you, your partner, or the other things that are making you want to relocate. That doesn't sound easy.
 
You say you don't want "advice," but you're asking for people to share experiences or give feedback. You want information and support, not "Here's what you should do," or, "What your friends with similar experiences/issues should do."

Let's focus on you, since that's what you have control over, and it's most important and close to your heart.

Are you unhappy living in a flat in the same building as your partner and his wife and kid? Do you want a better place to live? Do you have a job opportunity elsewhere? Do you want or need to move closer to a relative who needs help? It sounds like your partner is set in staying with his family where they are, and it's up to you to move... probably losing him as your partner as a consequence. Is that it?

Yes, I do think in poly, where there is legal marriage, or an established nesting dyad, the newer partner often gets the short end of the stick. It's a test of how strong the bond is between you and your partner. Probably his wife is happy with where they are, and so he's got to make a choice. I bet since he has a young child, he'll want to remain with that side of the family.

Now you get to decide what is more important to you, your partner, or the other things that are making you want to relocate. That doesn't sound easy.
Magdlyn, thank you for your sympathy, but I'd really rather hear about your experience with poly and lifestyle changes on this thread. We can discuss my situation in my blog or via pm.

I started this as a general discussion because I want to hear about other, perhaps just remotely similar situations, and how people handled their decision process as a group.

Also, I started it as a general discussion, because I feel the topic of flexibility vs commitment is worth a general discussion and haven't seen it elaborated on anywhere when I was considering poly. Or maybe I just missed it because I didn't see the relevance.
 
Okay. I guess I myself have not had a time when there was a conflict between the desires or needs of one dyad in a poly network that conflicted with the wants/needs of another dyad. So I'll sit back and let others chime in.
 
Re: "So what was your decision-making process?" ... We sat down together and talked about it. One of us formally suggested the move, and the other two voiced their consent. It wasn't complicated.
 
Puck's polycule is too big, and his community ties too deep, for him to ever move away from where he is now. I believe he and Renee did talk about it at one point, considering Canada or even S.E.A., but nothing ever came of it because deep down, they are comfortable where they are.

Adam and I have moved a lot. And will again. I have considered working abroad but I found it just too hard to do emotionally, with aging parents. The logistics were a little daunting, too. Most recently I moved away from our house in the country and back to the city. I just rent a room here. Sometime next year we expect Adam to join me and we'll get our own place in the city. My three main relationships are hierarchically bound, I have a husband, Puck and Nevyn have wives. Ultimately, those dyads are the decision makers for themselves.
 
Re: "So what was your decision-making process?" ... We sat down together and talked about it. One of us formally suggested the move, and the other two voiced their consent. It wasn't complicated.
You mean you did all that without using the Google Calendar? 😮 I thought meetings about major decisions in poly required the use of the Google Calendar.
 
Nah, we didn't schedule those talks. We just had them when good opportunity arose. Discussing things over dinner was a typical approach.
 
You mean you did all that without using the Google Calendar? 😮 I thought meetings about major decisions in poly required the use of the Google Calendar.
Not if you're live-in and closed to external partners I guess :D And childless too, I believe. Then your household just works (almost) like a regular household.

Ours don't involve google calendar except for my personal planning, but not because of a lack of a need, but because of a dislike of both google and calendars. Sometimes it's really hard to meet Meta due to busy schedules, not necessarily for hard talks, but also for music if needed.

Anyway, Kevin makes it sound real easy.
 
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Re: "So what was your decision-making process?" ... We sat down together and talked about it. One of us formally suggested the move, and the other two voiced their consent. It wasn't complicated.
Didn't any of you have, like, family, long-lasting friendships, jobs, roots in the place where you originally met? Was there more to be gained then to be lost for everyone?
 
Yes, there was more to be gained than lost. My wife was still alive and with us when we moved away from Michigan. And her kids were so opposed to that marriage (and to me in general) that it was actually dangerous for us to stay in Michigan. And there were other reasons for us to move, such as just wanting to move to New Mexico (where Snowbunny had lived for a number of years).

I think you're trying to make it more complicated than it actually is. The three of us wanted to move and be together. That's really all that was needed.
 
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