Poly with insecure and incomplete primary relationship?

Plantlady13

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Help me think through this. My instincts tell me this is a bad idea.

The primary relationship is lacking in things for both partners. Primarily deep emotional intimacy and sexual intimacy. Both are satisfied by all other aspects of the relationship. Relationship has been open to intimate relationships (not romantic/physical) for years.

Gaps in emotional and sexual intimacy within the primary relationship has grown to a point where both partners recognize need to work on the primary relationship.

My thinking is until the primary relationship is in a more mutually fulfilling state, restored to wholeness, holding off on moving into romantic/physical territory with secondary relationships would be the best course of action. Anyone have thoughts enforcing or contradicting this way of thinking?
 
Is this your own relationship? I can't be sure from the way you stated it, if it's your own relationship, or the one of a couple one of whom you want to date.

Either way, yes, trying to do ethical non-monogamy when you're part of a couple that is not emotionally or romantically intimate is a recipe for disaster. ENM shines a light on any cracks in an existing dyad relationship.

Please see our list of resources here, and you might want to start with the basic thorough book Opening Up, or the Multiamory podcast, if you don't like to read.

 
Is this your own relationship? I can't be sure from the way you stated it, if it's your own relationship, or the one of a couple one of whom you want to date.

Either way, yes, trying to do ethical non-monogamy when you're part of a couple that is not emotionally or romantically intimate is a recipe for disaster. ENM shines a light on any cracks in an existing dyad relationship.

Please see our list of resources here, and you might want to start with the basic thorough book Opening Up, or the Multiamory podcast, if you don't like to read.

Sorry, yeah, I'm in the primary relationship. Attempt at some ambiguity went a touch too far.


That is exactly what I am experiencing. Depending of existing intimate relationships really exposing cracks in the primary dyad.
 
When I first joined this board almost 15 years ago, the most common/basic poly advice was to make sure you aren't opening your relationship with the idea that poly will fix relationship problems. "Relationship broken; add more people!" was well known to be a recipe for disaster.

I think that's still pretty much true. (*But see below for a caveat). I can't think of a reason to jump to poly first rather than try to address the relationship issues first.

In your case, it certainly sounds like working on your issues would make more sense than starting other relationships, even if the eventual goal/outcome is to become a poly relationship. Particularly if the issues involve emotional intimacy, it seems like that aspect should be strong before you embark on changing the shape of your relationship.

*The caveat is that as polyamory has become more common, and plenty of people are fully comfortable being poly and have been successfully poly for years, having relationship issues in one dyad (or in a primary couple) should NOT mean that the couple has to close their relationship / end all secondary/other relationships to work on their issues. If having multiple relationships is normal and fine, you can work on issues in one couple while also maintaining your other relationships.

But that refers to couples that are already practicing polyamory, not those thinking about shifting to polyamory to solve relationship "gaps."

Regarding "gaps" or "incomplete" relationships and polyamory, I think there are two schools of thought.

The first is that all relationships should feel complete in themselves, no matter how many relationships you have. If you feel something significant is missing, maybe it is a sign of a lack of compatibility and breaking up should be considered; having other relationships wouldn't necessarily cure what is missing in the first relationship.

The second is that polyamory (or non-monogamy more generally) is a valid option to address the reality that ALL relationships will have some gaps and incompatibilities. With multiple relationships, you can build the connections you want without putting pressure on one person to fulfill all your needs. You can have various types of connections with people who you might be incompatible with if lifelong, live-in monogamy were the only goal.

I personally tend to follow the second philosophy BUT it has some big downsides. Namely, it can result in a chaotic dynamic where your life is a collage of many connections but none of them are fully satisfying and you are always trying to add "missing pieces" to the puzzle. And, you can linger too long in very incompatible relationships on the idea that you don't need to meet each other's needs so it's fine.
 
Thank you so much for sharing all of that. It is very helpful.

In our situation, we have been living a poly-like lifestyle of sorts for probably the last 10 years of our 25 year relationship/marriage. We just never had the words for it, before becoming connected to friends in the poly community.

We've accepted that there are some incompatibilities of sort, or simply things that interest one of us but don't interest the other, and we have no problems with having those needs fulfilled outside of our relationship. We have never limited intimate relationships and that would appear to most as being close friendships, but to us they are deep soul filling connections. Deep level of emotional intimacy and physical affection but not sexual affection. None of these relationships have ever been romantic, though we deeply love them.

That is the shift is that one of us is feeling romantic entanglement with someone, and that relationship, although it is not a brand new relationship, the newness of the romantic side of it is shining a spotlight on the areas of our primary relationship that are lacking.

There is no conversation or thoughts around having multiple romantic partners as being a way to fix or fill the gaps in our relationship. Honestly, stumbling into this romantic territory was not something that was intentional. But now that we are there, there is this tension where, in my mind, continuing into this space that we found ourselves in could be detrimental to our desires to rebuild things that we have lost in our relationship along the way.

All discussions surrounding broadening our boundaries for other relationships have been put on hold. But I fear we've wandered into a territory that is going to make repairing our relationship more difficult.
 
You know, I don't really like the poly vs kids analogy, but I couldn't help thinking about a friend of mine. Not poly. Has two adult sons.

She would say she has never had the closeness to her elder son as she has her younger. She's friends with the younger. He calls her every day, etc.

With her older son, it's more formal. He comes for holidays (or she goes there). But they aren't friends.

She was in her second long-term marriage when she had to abruptly separate from her husband. She was distraught. Her younger son was there, but he wasn't much help. He was angry at his stepdad. I guess he was a good person if she wanted to go and egg his car. They had fun.

Her elder son handled all the finances, protected her, rented her a house, was just such a grown up and a fantastic support. She now knows that as she ages, he's going to be the one to make sure everything is in order and will work in her best interests.

She sees now that they are close. She can trust him with her life. He won't judge. He will just support her practically.

Her children are different people. She has a very close, trusting and loving relationship with each of them. They are unique relationships. Neither more, nor less, than the other. She's their mother, and they're her sons.
 
Hello Plantlady13,

First you need to fix your primary relationship, before you venture into poly. Poly is a huge challenge, it will require you to come at it from a healthy place. Sure you are satisfied by most aspects of the relationship, but deep emotional intimacy and sexual intimacy are BFD's, you will need to establish them before you venture into poly. Professional counseling may help you to do this. Your primary relationship doesn't have to be perfect, but it does need to be in a state of basic health.

I hope you can work this out.
Kevin T.
 
In our situation, we have been living a poly-like lifestyle of sorts for probably the last 10 years of our 25 year relationship/marriage. We just never had the words for it, before becoming connected to friends in the poly community.

We've accepted that there are some incompatibilities of sort, or simply things that interest one of us but don't interest the other, and we have no problems with having those needs fulfilled outside of our relationship.
And this certainly happens in mono relationships too. That's why we have friends.
We have never limited intimate relationships, and that would appear to most as being close friendships, but to us they are deep soul-filling connections. Deep levels of emotional intimacy and physical affection, but not sexual affection. None of these relationships have ever been romantic, though we deeply love them.
Aha, some people are starting to practice "relationship anarchy," where each close friendship is seen as equally important, whether there are or are not romance, sex or legal entanglements, such as marriage, involved.
That is the shift is that one of us is feeling romantic entanglement with someone, and that relationship, although it is not a brand new relationship, the newness of the romantic side of it is shining a spotlight on the areas of our primary relationship that are lacking.

There is no conversation or thoughts around having multiple romantic partners as being a way to fix or fill the gaps in our relationship. Honestly, stumbling into this romantic territory was not something that was intentional. But now that we are there, there is this tension where, in my mind, continuing into this space that we found ourselves in could be detrimental to our desires to rebuild things that we have lost in our relationship along the way.

All discussions surrounding broadening our boundaries for other relationships have been put on hold. But I fear we've wandered into a territory that is going to make repairing our relationship more difficult.
So, you used to have more romance (and sex?) with your "primary" partner, and you both want that back? Are you sure you want it back? Or did you sort of evolve out of it?

Have you become more like roommates, or perhaps co-parents, and lost that "spark"? Do you feel there's a chance to get the spark back through consciously dating each other, going and doing special things together, taking nice fun vacations, perhaps taking up a new hobby together, and that sort of thing, or are there big disconnects or conflicts that might take couples counseling to resolve?
 
Just from the nature of your fears, may I assume it is not you who has a new romantic interest, it's your (male?) partner.

I know you want to obscure the story to keep things more anonymous, but this doesn't help the quality of feedback you get.
You can keep anonymous by using a unique nickname (hope you're not "plantlady" anywhere else), not sharing your living area, profession and details of your conversations and day-to-day... the big picture tends to repeat itself in many stories, it's unlikely you would be recognized by anyone other than your partner(s) and close friends who experience the same timeline on events firsthand.
Thank you so much for sharing all of that. It is very helpful.

In our situation, we have been living a poly-like lifestyle of sorts for probably the last 10 years of our 25 year relationship/marriage. We just never had the words for it, before becoming connected to friends in the poly community.

We've accepted that there are some incompatibilities of sort, or simply things that interest one of us but don't interest the other, and we have no problems with having those needs fulfilled outside of our relationship. We have never limited intimate relationships and that would appear to most as being close friendships, but to us they are deep soul filling connections. Deep level of emotional intimacy and physical affection but not sexual affection. None of these relationships have ever been romantic, though we deeply love them.

That is the shift is that one of us is feeling romantic entanglement with someone, and that relationship, although it is not a brand new relationship, the newness of the romantic side of it is shining a spotlight on the areas of our primary relationship that are lacking.

There is no conversation or thoughts around having multiple romantic partners as being a way to fix or fill the gaps in our relationship. Honestly, stumbling into this romantic territory was not something that was intentional. But now that we are there, there is this tension where, in my mind, continuing into this space that we found ourselves in could be detrimental to our desires to rebuild things that we have lost in our relationship along the way.

All discussions surrounding broadening our boundaries for other relationships have been put on hold. But I fear we've wandered into a territory that is going to make repairing our relationship more difficult.

Let me repeat to make sure I understand.

Sounds like you both place high value on intimate relationships and are comfortable with the other having these.
Yet somehow, you avoided falling in love with your close friends. (Was this an actual agreement, or just never discussed?)
Also, sex hasn't been on the table (I assume this was an actual agreement? has your partner cheated on it?).

Now your partner has fallen in love and they want to take it sexual. The romantic part was unintentional, but you recognize very well it cannot be undone. So the two of you are having a crisis.
You put your foot down and said "no" to his wish to introduce sex to the other relationships --- at least until other issues have been discussed.

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I think you are right this is going to make relationship repairs more difficult, but since this is not a hypothetical scenario - a new love interest is already on the table - here you are to deal with the difficulty.

You don't say this, but you are likely terrified of the change. That's normal.

In a strictly monogamous marriage, unlike poly, the only ethical solution would be to cut ties with the new partner and let the crush fade.
Maybe you think that is what your partner should do - and this would indeed make repairing the relationship easier. But it won't work if they feels like they'd be ripping out their own heart by doing that... (been there).
So they don't want to cut ties and they're asking you to transition to full poly instead.

How are you feeling about possibly being poly? Is it a "no, I really don't want that, romantic and sexual exclusivity is important to me", or is it a "I might actually like it if our relationship was more healthy"?

If it's the later, it may be possible to take the hard route of working on repairing the cracks while opening up. This will require time, patience and commitment of all three people involved. For the two of you, it means scheduling time for both the necessary discussions (or couples therapy) and dates. Maybe make it one on one - if they spend an evening doing fun stuff, you also get an evening date just the two of you, no kids, no obligations? You might actually get dates more often this way ;)
For the new person it means their relationship can't progress as fast as they'd like. It's important to be upfront with them about what they can expect.

Hold tight, this is going to be a rollercoaster :) More than ever, be kind to yourself and do your basic self-care. Best of luck.
 
Gently... are you both on the same page on this, or not sure?

The primary relationship is lacking in things for both partners, primarily, deep emotional intimacy and sexual intimacy. Both are satisfied by all other aspects of the relationship.

So, why aren't you exes and friends instead, being okay with the relationship shape changing to something that fits better than "primaries"?

Relationship has been open to intimate relationships (not romantic/physical) for years.

I don't understand this as written. Would you be willing to clarify? Are you saying...
  • You and your primary partner can date other people and share sex only? No feelings?
  • You and your primary partner can date other people and share both romance and sex with them?
  • You and your primary partner haven't been romantic or physical/sexual with EACH OTHER for years?
  • Something else?

Gaps in emotional and sexual intimacy within the primary relationship has grown to a point where both partners recognize need to work on the primary relationship.

One way to work on it is to let it change shapes, and no longer call it a "primary relationship." Call it what it actually IS. Are you two friends? Roomies? Something else?

My thinking is until the primary relationship is in a more mutually fulfilling state, restored to wholeness, holding off on moving into romantic/physical territory with secondary relationships would be the best course of action. Anyone have thoughts enforcing or contradicting this way of thinking?

What does that mean? Existing poly partners can stay, but no dating any NEW people people time/space needs to be made for counseling and working on this? Dumping everyone else and making it just you two? Or something else, like a trial separation?

Do BOTH partners even want to be primaries any more? Or is it that you still want to be primaries, but they don't? Or the other way around? Have you two even had that conversation yet?

I think before you get deep into the idea of "restore the primary relationship" you have to have all the pre-contemplation conversations first. Is a primary-secondary model even still the model you both want? Or does one of you want a co-primary? Or even solo poly, and their "primary" would not be a person anymore, but a demanding job or other thing?

Are you still even compatible, or is this getting lost in "save/preserve the relationship" rather than "do what is best for the people?" Would another relationship shape be better for this stage of life?

Maybe this helps you discern:


Once you are BOTH clear that you really want to be here AND want to practice the same model, then you can figure out how to heal whatever needs healing and fix whatever needs fixing. But you do have to be super honest with each other. If one of you is "I'm kinda checked out already," or "I don't want to be honest because it will hurt their feelings," and this attempt ends up like "just going through the motions, but not really invested" or similar, it isn't going to do anything but waste time, energy and perhaps build resentments between you. :(

It might be time to have the needed conversations in plain talk and just put all cards out on the table, with a counselor's help if you cannot talk on your own. In case it helps you find one:


Galagirl
 
What are the ACTUAL relationship agreements you and spouse have currently?

We've accepted that there are some sort of incompatibilities, or simply things that interest one of us, but don't interest the other, and we have no problems with having those needs fulfilled outside of our relationship.

I don't see a problem with that. You could have your own circle of friends to share your interests with, spouse could have their circle of friends to share interests with, and you might also have some mutual friends you share mutual interests with.

We have never limited intimate relationships, that would appear to most as being close friendships, but to us they are deep soul-filling connections. Deep level of emotional intimacy and physical affection, but not sexual affection. None of these relationships have ever been romantic, though we deeply love them.

So, like best friends who might hug sometimes? Or friends who are also clothed make-out or cuddle buddies, but you're not sharing naked or penetrative sex? What exactly are you talking about here?

That is the shift-- one of us is feeling romantic entanglement with someone, and in that relationship, although it is not brand-new, the newness of the romantic side of it is shining a spotlight on the areas of our primary relationship that are lacking.

I notice a lot of "we" talk here. Is it you who fell in love with a friend, or your spouse? Those are two different perspectives, so people may be better able to help you if you can state what YOU are experiencing. Where YOU sit. What YOUR point of view is in all this.

Galagirl
 
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