Polyamory after 23 years of monogamy

DavidR

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Hi,

My wife and I have been in a monogamous relationship for 23 years.

About a year and a half ago, I was diagnosed with cancer. It had already spread to my liver, and the prognosis was pretty bleak. My wife and I had to come to terms with the fact that I could die soon, leaving her with our two sons (ages 10 and 12). After a year of operations and chemotherapy treatments, I am now cancer free, and have made peace with the idea that it might come back.

My wife has had to imagine herself without me, and had to do so while I was emotionally unavailable for a year. This has been very tough on her, and caused her to reevaluate her life and what she wants from it. So, a few months ago, she informed me that she wants to be able to feel love and share love without (too many) restrictions. She is convinced that she will end up unhappy, and even a bad mother as a result of it, if she stays in a monogamous relationship. I believe her. To complicate things, she already has a man with whom she is seriously considering getting involved. Until then, he was a friend of ours, so I know him.

Needless to say, this caused a major identity crisis for me, and it was only a week ago that the full extent of what she was saying hit home. We've had multiple conversations over the last few months, and subconsciously, I kept reducing things to a manageable level. This was frustrating for her, as I kept fluctuating between acceptance and grief, and each time I discovered I had misunderstood something and things were worse than I thought.

The way I see it now, and this perspective has convinced her that I finally get it, is that it I thought it was self-evident that our relationship would last forever, but this was an illusion. I don't own her. She is an independent person whose needs in life can change, regardless of the wedding bands on our fingers. Nothing can be taken away from me by a third partner, because I didn't have it in the first place. By the same token, I am an independent person as well, and am responsible for my own needs and feelings.

Keeping this realization in mind has helped me a great deal in keeping jealousy at bay, but I am still struggling with unmet needs of equality, simplicity, privacy, protection... These usually grow in intensity as I think of the fact that this is only the beginning and their contact may grow in frequency, nature (physical) and duration.

It is especially hard on me that there seems to be no upper limit to this, as they themselves admit to not knowing where it can go. When tunnel vision hits hard, I imagine my wife asking me to wear a condom because they don't think it's safe. I see the house being sold and only getting to see my own kids half the time. In those moments, I experience grief, hopelessness and anger towards him.

To my regret, and sometimes shame, I have to admit that, while I may not have admitted it at the time, I certainly have treated my wife as self-evident. She doesn't hold this against me, but it cuts deep to realise now that she may have been experiencing an unmet need for intimacy and connection for years. I am truly grateful I have come to see this, and have discovered one of the pitfalls of monogamy.

On the positive side, the realisation that our relationship is not self evident, has increased our bond tenfold. My wife is no longer a person who will simply be there, but someone I am glad to see, who chooses to be with me every day. Being together is work, and we do it. I have always had problems with sustained eye contact with her, we only had sex two/three times a year, rarely went on a date, and I just accepted it as the reality of married life. Now, we constantly cuddle, look into each other's eyes, plan dates and have intimate and loving sex almost every day. Full on NRE. :) This to me is exciting, wholesome and gives me hope for the future.

I am however, for multiple reasons which I will not get into here, convinced that her potential partner is far from the ideal person, for a 23-year-married couple to take on to get into polyamory. She already sees him multiple times a month, sometimes two times a week, often an entire day. I am still coming to terms with polyamory, and his presence in our agenda, our conversations, and in my head complicates and muddles this process. The pressure is on.

If I would be able to choose, we would be together, have our newfound bond, and gradually, as a couple, discover polyamory in a durable way. On the other hand, I know and trust this person completely, which might not be the case with someone else...

As a last point, I would like to say that, thanks to reading this forum, and the Poly Hell article, I have come a long way already. I have decided I am no longer paralysed with fear by the doomsday image of us breaking up. This empowers me to see that I choose to be in this too and can defend my needs at any time.

I would love to hear your thoughts, reactions, tips, insights on this. It already has been incredibly helpful to write this down.

David
 
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Why is he the problem opposed to how often she is seeing someone else?
I can't see how this would not have occurred with anyone she liked a lot.
I'm not sure I understand exactly what your question is. I don't see the problem of increased frequency as inherent to this particular person. I realise that this is a process that will happen at some point either way. It's just that I think my unmet needs will be triggered more often, the more frequent she meets someone, and that undermines my trust in my ability to deal with it.
 
Are your needs 'meetable' or are you always going to feel like there's more you need even though you are now getting a lot of intimacy (eye contact, sex, fun)?
 
Hello DavidR,

It sounds like you are experiencing both the pros and the cons of polyamory. It is not unusual for someone to already have someone in mind when they ask to transition to polyamory. You are coping with the reality of having to adopt both the new guy, and the shocking concept of polyamory itself, both at the same time. It's not easy. I think you're doing quite a good job of it so far. There will certainly be challenges on the road ahead, and you will often feel worried and/or frightened. But you can get through this, one step at a time.

Regards,
Kevin T.
 
I'm not sure I understand exactly what your question is. I don't see the problem of increased frequency as inherent to this particular person. I realise that this is a process that will happen at some point either way. It's just that I think my unmet needs will be triggered more often, the more frequent she meets someone, and that undermines my trust in my ability to deal with it.
You Said that this guy in particular is a bad guy for a couple.
 
Are your needs 'meetable' or are you always going to feel like there's more you need even though you are now getting a lot of intimacy (eye contact, sex, fun)?
I believe they are. I think the most important realisation though is that I am no longer afraid to defend my needs.
 
My condolences for your cancer. Cancer sucks and chemo side effects do too! But I am so happy for you that it worked and you are in remission. I hope it stays that way. A cancer scare certainly can change one's perspective on life. And it also affects your partner and family. I had cancer too (8 years ago.) It is so painful/unpleasant and chemo is so exhausting that I rarely had enough energy to appreciate how scary it was for my partner, who supported me all throughout the journey!

It seems to me that you are now experiencing one of the best things one can for a person who has had the poly bomb dropped on them. You have stopped taking your wife for granted. As you say, her permanence in your life is not self evident. And wow, your sex and dating life sure have improved. This may be partly a male feeling of competitiveness. Your hormones sense another person taking interest in your wife and this ramps up your testosterone. This is an unconscious reaction, but is also coupled with your conscious choice to give your wife more focused attention and quality time.

Just the same, she is spending an awful lot of time with her friend, dating potential person. Let's call your wife June and the friend Roger.

Most successful couples who transition to poly from monogamy take a good year, if not two, to research polyamory before taking the plunge to actually dating. It seems like Roger is June's bf in all but name. And they aren't having "sex" yet? How is sex defined? Penis in vagina? There are degrees to sexual behavior, so maybe they've already progressed to a physical relationship: longer than normal hugs, more kisses than a platonic friend would get, cuddling, hand-holding. It seems like eye-gazing has been discussed and Roger did better than you in this category, so you stepped it up.

I am amazed your sex life went from 0-60. You barely had sex, didn't date, for years, and now you're having sex every day! This must feel great for both of you. However, June's NRE for Roger is probably spilling over onto you. She wants him. I guess she's told you it's just a matter of time before they get naked together. Have you asked her to put on the brakes on this?

You also don't have to consent to her seeing Roger twice a week. That is a lot right out of the gate. And what about texting? Is she texting him round the clock? Maybe not. Maybe you and she have a plan for your own focused time as as well as time for her to see Roger.

Also, I do not understand why you say you trust Roger, but at the same time, do not think he is a suitable dating partner for June. If you think of her as an independent adult with a right to make her own choices, you can't protect her from people you think are unsuitable. You can express your reservations, sure, but the choice is up to her.

If you think a dating partner of June's is really toxic, unsavory, a criminal, a grifter, etc., and June insists on seeing them and this might cause you harm, you can ask to do couples counseling, and/or leave June, if necessary.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your cancer but very glad it is in remission.

Let me try to repeat back what I understand in my own words. You correct me if I get it wrong, ok?

PAST

  • You and wife have been in a monogamous relationship for 23 years.

CANCER
  • A year and a half ago, you were diagnosed with cancer.
  • Prognosis was pretty bleak.
  • You and wife had to come to terms that you might die, and she'd be a widow with 10 and 12 yr old sons.
  • During that year, you were emotionally unavailable to her. (Really, even before this you were taking her for granted.)
  • This life event caused wife to reevaluate her life/reimagine her life/deal with anticipatory grief/imagine life after your passing.
  • You turned out to be cancer free and in remission.

WIFE WANTS TO OPEN

  • Wife told you a few months ago that she wants to stop being monogamous.
    • Wife developed a crush on a mutual friend
    • Wife wants to date him/is dating him already. (This is fuzzy. Did she jump the gun? And started dating him before you agreed to open? Like cheating affair? Or what?)
During the last few months of you considering if you are ok with this, there was a "processing gap."
  • You were only NOW thinking this out and coming to terms with the marriage not "lasting forever" and perhaps some marriage enmeshment.
  • You were having an identity crisis -- because til now your identity was wrapped up in the marriage.
  • She was frustrated by you need to take time.
    • Because she had already been thinking this out while you were sick and she was imagining herself widowed.
  • Last week you had a lightbulb moment.
    • You and her are still individuals, even if sometimes a married couple. You are your own persons.
    • You also realized you used to take your wife for granted and feel ashamed of that.
    • You worry she had unmet needs for years and blame self... and maybe wonder why she didn't bring it up before cancer?
ISSUES
  • You are JUST coping with this in the last few months after a long run with cancer.
  • Your need for equality, simplicity, privacy, protection are not currently being met.
  • You don't know if (her + Roger) is going to be a short fling or like a whole other BF/husband person or what.
    • You know you do NOT want to live all together.
    • You struggle with the idea of going back to condoms and no longer being fluid bonded with wife.
    • You worry this will wind up in divorce, selling the house, and you and wife sharing custody of the kids and you seeing them less.
    • Basically, you are going through your turn at "relationship anticipatory grief" that she already did.
  • You aren't entirely sure if you are up for a poly V thing. The old monogamy deal ended. She doesn't want to do that any more. But.... why would you sign up for some new unknown deal?

POSITIVE
  • Both you and wife took each other for granted to a degree and fell into a rut. Rarely went on a date and rarely shared sex.
  • Now both are actually participating and investing in the well being of the relationship and being PRESENT for it rather than going on "auto-pilot."

NEGATIVE
  • Even though he's been your friend, and you trust him, you don't like how fast this is going.
  • You don't like that them dating has a murky start.
  • She sees him multiple times a month, sometimes two times a week, often an entire day. You are used to having ALL her time and attention even though you guys didn't bother dating each other. Now she's putting in energy and effort to date him and it... bugs you?
  • You still have cancer remission things and mental health things from the cancer experience to get thru

Is that about it?


If I would be able to choose, we would be together, have our newfound bond, and gradually, as a couple, discover polyamory in a durable way.

What does that MEAN, a more "durable way?" You want more time to adjust, more time to educate yourselves? You don't want her dating 2x a week? Something else?

And what about the needs? What does those being met look like to you?

Your needs for equality, simplicity, privacy, protection:

Equal in what?
Simplicity like how?
Privacy how?
Protection how?

As a newbie hinge, is she oversharing TMI details with you from the other side of the V? Like (Wife + you) can't just be (Wife + You), it is (You listening to wife go on and on about (Wife + Roger) ), and that bugs you?


As a last point, I would like to say that, thanks to reading this forum, and the Poly Hell article, I have come a long way already. I have decided I am no longer paralysed with fear by the doomsday image of us breaking up. This empowers me to see that I choose to be in this too and can defend my needs at any time.

Good! Your consent to do things or not belongs to YOU.

If she no longer wants monogamy, you can't MAKE her. The old deal is over.

But the new deal she's suggesting is to be in a poly V with her and Roger, and she's the hinge?

You can see other people too, right?

And if it turns out you and she are NOT compatible to practice poly together after all, have you already talked about how to part ways and change to a divorced coparenting family, so that's not ANOTHER thing from the sky? You already had cancer from the sky and then this poly thing from the sky in a short time frame. You don't want MORE unexpected stuff, right?

You might consider a counselor experienced in non-monogamy to help support you in this transition, if you have decided to go there.

That was a murky start, even if understandable. Did she develop feelings for the friend when she thought you were going to die and leave her widowed? There might be some stuff to unpack there.

And what if they break up? Would the deal be over and you'd have to break up with your partners, if any, too? Or you never even got to date? Or would it be just them breaking up, and you and she carry on with poly?

There seems to be a lot of conversation catch up on here.

Galagirl
 
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I'll just say good luck... hope your story turns out well.
 
Thank you Magdlyn and Galagirl, for your thoughtful and very insightful responses. It is healing to experience recognition. I have printed out your replies and will go over them a few more times in the future. I'll quote similar ideas you posted together and reply to them.

"It seems like Roger is June's bf in all but name. And they aren't having "sex" yet? How is sex defined? Penis in vagina? There are degrees to sexual behavior, so maybe they've already progressed to a physical relationship: longer than normal hugs, more kisses than a platonic friend would get, cuddling, hand-holding"
"Wife wants to date him/is dating him already. (This is fuzzy. Did she jump the gun? And started dating him before you agreed to open? Like cheating affair? Or what?)"


-> They were seeing eachother as friends, and my wife was completely honest about the nature of their bond: long talks, eye-gazing, long cuddles in the sofa. I expressed my discomfort with where this was going up multiple times. At one point, he assured me he wanted someone all to himself and this would not go further. Looking back on that period, my wife told me she was utterly convinced this was safe and saw no threat to our relationship ( she still doesn't at present ). I was mollified with that and, wanting to be a good husband and allowing my wife to have meaningful connections, I did not ask to reduce/break the contact. Then, as I predicted, a couple weeks ago something happened and all of a sudden they realised they wanted more.

At present, most of the time, I can focus on the positive side of things, our newfound bond, my independance as a person ( I don't NEED her permanent presence or a claim to her body to be happy ) and my respect and love for her as a person. When I'm in this mood, I'm confident in the strength of our relationship and am ( nervously ) excited for the future.
I experience pain, fear and hopelessness in waves, though, usually triggered by ideas of them seeing eachother even more, my wife spending the night there, them having sex. These waves are more frequent and intense at night, as I am awake and can't talk to my wife or do something to distract me. These waves also prevent me from being in touch with the positive things and my confidence. When I imagine my wife telling me they've had sex, I can imagine myself physically recoiling from her, out of fear of not being physically welcome and even out of concerns for simple hygiene. That image cuts deep.

I think these waves are getting more manageable, but I don't know if and when they will disappear.

"You worry she had unmet needs for years and blame self... and maybe wonder why she didn't bring it up before cancer?"

She did, and that's a source of pain and shame for me. She reached out several times, and we did have deep and meaningful conversations as a result. Nothing ever really changed though, as we couldn't come up with a solution, and I accepted it as part of married life.

"Basically, you are going through your turn at "relationship anticipatory grief" that she already did"
"Also, I do not understand why you say you trust Roger, but at the same time, do not think he is a suitable dating partner for June"


I trust that my wife is safe with Roger and that he will treat her well. I fear the strength of their bond and to what kind of relationship it can lead though. My wife and I do not know ourselves in this situation, and they have already surprised themselves once with the speed and intensity of their feelings. Where will this go if they experience their bond physically? I do not consider it an impossibility for her to inform me at some point in the future that she wants to spend her life with him.
When I tell my wife this, she tells me it doesn't even occur to her that this might happen. She did not go through relationship anticipatory grief at all. On the one hand, it's beautiful that she has that much confidence in us, but on the other hand I worry that she is taking us for granted now.
I CAN imagine myself reaching a point where the pain is no longer bearable to the point of me being a bad dad and husband. I can imagine myself pulling the plug if that happens. Thus, our relationship is not self evident.

"You can see other people too, right?"
I can, and it's liberating to be able to say that I would enjoy meeting someone new and exploring that connection, and sharing that with my wife. I'm currenly, cautiously, reaching out to others and seeing what that does to me. I'm aware of the fact that I might discover that it is not for me.

"There seems to be a lot of conversation catch up on here."

We are very much aware of that. Sometimes, it seems, like the number of things we want to talk about exceeds our willingness to do so. It is getting better though, and we purposefully build in talk breaks for a whole day, just to experience some normalcy. Also, even though we experience a very strong bond and willingness to be and stay together, we are also going in to relationship therapy.
 
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Hi David,

This is a hard time, so many changes, so many emotions. You're doing the work. Keep expressing your feelings here if it helps so see it written out.

I don't see that anyone recommended any good books for you to read on the subject of polyamory. You are not alone. Many people have ridden the exact same rollercoaster you are currently on. This lots of info out there on the patterns of behavior, thoughts, feelings, and how to navigate them. Here are three books. A new book seems to come out every year or so lately.

Opening Up
Designer Relationships
Polysecure

And Sex at Dawn is not a guide, a how-to book like the others, it's more of an anthropological study about how humans are wired to be promiscuous and how monogamy is more of a social construct. Now that the patriarchy is showing cracks and women are able to claim their power, they are taking back the right to multiple partners (males in particular) that was a crime worth stoning in the olden days, while men could have all the wives and sex slaves they could afford.

I hear that you're afraid June isn't polyamorous. You fear she's monogamous and just wants to replace you with Roger. There is always that chance, especially since you two stepped into this blind. But if she keeps on top of reassuring you with focused time, words, sex, etc., it sounds like she is committed to you and wants to stay with you!

I see you're already looking into dating yourself. Keep us updated on how that goes.
 
When I imagine my wife telling me they've had sex, I can imagine myself physically recoiling from her, out of fear of not being physically welcome and even out of concerns for simple hygiene. That image cuts deep.
I encourage you to spend some time with that image and the resistance it brings up. Disgust is an emotion that can sometimes be dissolved by exposure to the emotional content paired with a more detailed analysis, like considering other touchy situations. You probably don't feel unclean after giving a hug to your former friend. You don't recoil if she has hugged him. So where is the boundary? Is there one?

As for illnesses, many poly people test for STDs and ask for a clean result before they engage in sex. If that's reassuring, you might want to all do that.

Some poly people will have a rule "take a shower between partners". That's another thing that may ease your mind.

Personally, I'd prefer not to know when sex has occurred - like, I know it's happening sometimes, you really don't need to tell me if that sometimes was today. This might not help a lot in your situation, just know that being overly revealing with the details is counterproductive.

Also agreeing on transition periods (that might be more of a tool for her) - like, when someone comes home from another partner, they will first keep to themselves, shower or change clothes, or relax a bit or dump their pressing thoughts on paper so that when they interact with their partner again they are ready to be present.
 
Personally, I'd prefer not to know when sex has occurred - like, I know it's happening sometimes, you really don't need to tell me if that sometimes was today. This might not help a lot in your situation, just know that being overly revealing with the details is counterproductive.

I have thought about that, but when I don't know wether it has happened or not, I just start assuming it has occured all the time. That's even worse. But then that's my thoughts getting away from me, and maybe there's something that can be done about that.
 
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