Seeking gentle understanding

MM74

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Hi all,

I am relatively new to this and I apologize in advance if anything I say feels off or if there are pieces I'm missing. I'm seeking support through understanding and some gentle education on what I might be missing.

My situation is as follows. I'm a single mother to two almost-adult boys. I've been solo parenting for over ten years and have dated women and men on/off but between parenting, a busy professional job and friends, it wasn't a priority. I also consciously chose to not mingle households with anyone, due to a variety of factors and prefer to keep it this way.

Since it didn't have a higher priority for me, I didn't think too much about different needs outside of traditional dating models, except that LAT has an incredible appeal that suited my independence. As my boys are now older, I started to contemplate things more and came to realize that, like many things in my life, a traditional approach doesn't work. I still don't have much time and am not suited for a traditional relationship. Once I let that go, I felt relieved and started investigating other options.

I went on a less traditional app (Feeld, if it matters) and did all that stuff. I'm pretty picky when it comes to people as in also fairly sapio and demi. Someone liked me and we started chatting and hit it off right away. It was one of those effortless connections. His profile said he was happily partnered and that, although it was unique, his partner knew about him being here. So of course I asked him about it very early. He said the boundaries were it was private, safe and didn't interfere with family. Those were all acceptable to me. Again, not a lot of time on my hands and no desire to disrupt a primary partnership.

There were a few kinks I wanted to explore and we were having a lot of fun flirting and also getting to know each other. Like I said, there was an effortless connection. I was really happy because he seemed to have not only a high IQ but also EQ. He also expressed gratefulness for my attentiveness and observations. And we had a lot of other things that just made for really fun times chatting. (Note that he is also sapio and demi.)

We are both busy professionals and so seemed in sync with when we needed space, as well as recognizing we both had families and needed space for that, too. Yet when we connected, it would be instanteous gelling.

There was a small hesitation on his part that I might get too attached as I wasn't partnered. I shared that what I wanted was not to be a primary partner in anything and my time constraints. And we both agreed that affection and a good connection was important.

I noticed last week that he was a bit quiet and teased him a bit. Then on Friday he replied that he was just pulling back in general. He'd deleted his account from Feeld a few weeks ago (as had I) and he said he'd shut down his social media accounts. That I was the only person he was talking to. I asked him if everything was okay and said that we can remove the sexual part from this if that's what he needed. I wanted to keep the connection. It was strong and he felt it too.

He didn't agree but said thank you. Then was quiet again. I was trying to figure out if I had done something wrong. So I reassured him of what I wanted and shared a bit more about how I could empathize with his situation. I also asked him not to project an experience from his past on me. But he fully stepped back. The part that was hardest for me is that he said that traditional or non-traditional relationship because it's not who he is right now and he doesn't see that changing anytime soon.

I am really hurt right now at the speed at which this happened and the powerlessness I feel. I don't understand how he could be on Feeld and presenting one thing and then this happens. I know he wanted to preserve his family unit and at no point did I ask for more or want more.

I understand that every situation is different, but wanted just to understand a bit more what might have happened. It's been suggested to me that he felt the closeness and strength in our connection and that it scared him. To the extent that he had to shut it down. It's also been suggested that something external might have happened and he felt he had to preserve his family unit and protect me at the same time.

I am usually a very measured person. It takes a while for me to warm up to people and I rarely find a balance where I can say there is good reciprocity and attentiveness. From what he said to me, he also felt this. So I'm trying to manage myself and the shock, and having a hard time. Because there was something there and then...he changed and just left abruptly without a conversation.

Of course, I'm respecting his leaving, but part of me is holding onto a little hope that he'll come back, although I know not to wait for that to happen. Has anyone experienced anything similar to this? And is it something I should expect more often? I actually felt that because we could talk about boundaries and keep things contained, this was a safer option for me and allowed myself to trust and believe, but now it doesn't feel that way. I am someone who just naturally connects authentically and deeply with people. That's not about supplanting an existing connection, I thought. I thought it was just adding to it. What did I do wrong?

Edited to add that although I am new to this, my understanding was that he was not.

I feel like I'm grieving not the loss of a sexual relationship but am actual meaningful connection that could have been contained in many ways.
 
I'm sorry to hear about the breakup. It sounds like you are going through the stages of breakup grief. It's normal to be at the "Why? Why?" place.

He didn't agree but said thank you. Then was quiet again. I was trying to figure out if I had done something wrong. So I reassured him of what I wanted and shared a bit more about how I could empathize with his situation. I also asked him not to project an experience from his past on me. But he fully stepped back.

All anyone needs to break up is to say, "I don't want to do this any more." Sometimes people break up and don't say why they don't want to do this any more. They just don't.

The part that was hardest for me is that he said that traditional or non-traditional relationship because it's not who he is right now and he doesn't see that changing anytime soon.

I'm not sure I understand the sentence as written. Are you saying he's quitting polyamory?


I understand that every situation is different, but wanted just to understand a bit more what might have happened. It's been suggested to me that he felt the closeness and strength in our connection and that it scared him. To the extent that he had to shut it down. It's also been suggested that something external might have happened and he felt he had to preserve his family unit and protect me at the same time.

You could guess at reasons. I'm just not sure it's helpful for you during the breakup healing.

Of course, I'm respecting his leaving, but part of me is holding onto a little hope that he'll come back, although I know not to wait for that to happen. Has anyone experienced anything similar to this? And is it something I should expect more often?

Breakups are a bummer, but they are a reasonable risk of ANY kind of dating, not just in polyamory. The only way not to deal in breakups is to not date at all. So if you plan to date, you have to also get good at breakups. Not everyone we date is going to pan out long term.

I actually felt that because we could talk about boundaries and keep things contained, this was a safer option for me and allowed myself to trust and believe, but now it doesn't feel that way.

Safer option than what?

I am someone who just naturally connects authentically and deeply with people. That's not about supplanting an existing connection, I thought. I thought it was just adding to it. What did I do wrong?

You did nothing wrong that I can see. It sounds like it was a good relationship for what it was. It simply didn't last as long as you hoped. It sounds like the breakup was respectful on both sides too. That's nothing to sneeze at.

I don't know if it helps you any -- but I broke up with my fav ex. Nothing was wrong. We continued to be close friends for several years after before it faded down to a "holiday cards" relationship. We still exchange them decades later. It was just that careers were leading us to different places and a LDR was not something we could align. We both met other people. Life went on.

I feel like I'm grieving not the loss of a sexual relationship but am actual meaningful connection that could have been contained in many ways.

It's normal to be grieving a breakup. Some people are good at healing and then being exes and friends. And some people are not good at that or don't want that, and prefer to be "plain exes."

I'm sorry, though. It sounds hard since it's so fresh and just happened. It also sounds like the first breakup in a long time since you'd taken a dating pause. So that's probably adding to it too. Take care of yourself in the coming weeks/months as you grieve and heal.

Galagirl
 
After my kids flew out of the nest and my ex and I broke up, I entered the dating scene through dating apps. I experienced, over the years, being abruptly ghosted more times than I can count. It's extremely maddening. It's even worse when you have 2 or 3 dates, and what he told you at first of what he was looking for (poly dating, not wanting to be a dad, say) suddenly changes and you get dumped as he chooses a mono woman with kids!

GG has said enough... I offer my condolences. It hurts.
 
I'm not sure I understand the sentence as written. Are you saying he's quitting polyamory?

Thank you so much for your reply, GG.

I agree with so much of what you have said. It's this part that is really throwing me and it came up several times. He isn't saying it's about me. He's saying it's "pulling back in general" and this "traditional or non-traditional relationship because it's not who he is right now and he doesn't see that changing anytime soon" .

It's like he's changing back and forth on poly and I don't know the reasons why. And I understand that's also his choice and something that can happen with more than one person playing. It's just that I am such a mindful person and was so careful in ensuring that boundaries were strong on everything...and of course would have been happy to renegotiate based on if there were other things happening in his world.

I'm spinning mostly on this. That what was clear just a month ago changed, and I don't have any closure on why. That's why I'm looking for input because I need to get my own closure in this case. Make sense?
 
After my kids flew out of the nest and my ex and I broke up, I entered the dating scene through dating apps. I experienced, over the years, being abruptly ghosted more times than I can count. It's extremely maddening. It's even worse when you have 2 or 3 dates, and what he told you at first of what he was looking for (poly dating, not wanting to be a dad, say) suddenly changes and you get dumped as he chooses a mono woman with kids!

GG has said enough... I offer my condolences. It hurts.
Thank you so much for your empathy. I agree there's a lot of ghosting. The part that makes this so difficult is this guy is an excellent communicator, has so many good things about him. I think that he went to every effort to try to make me know that this wasn't my fault (even though I still blame myself but that's cause I want some control).

What's heart-wrenching is not knowing what happened. And I just wish I could have had that information so I could either have adjusted or accepted that it wasn't something I could adjust for. Given his careful wording, all I can conclude was it was not anticipated, it was not me, and that he didn't know when/if it might change.

Somehow, that makes me feel worse and not better. :( I can shrug off not fitting, people being inconsiderate, etc. This is sad in a different way.
 
What's heart-wrenching is not knowing what happened. And I just wish I could have had that information so I could either have adjusted or accepted that it wasn't something I could adjust for. Given his careful wording, all I can conclude was it was not anticipated, it was not me, and that he didn't know when/if it might change.
Somehow, that makes me feel worse and not better. :( I can shrug off not fitting, people being inconsiderate, etc. This is sad in a different way.




Some people men will say whatever needs to be said to get laid, and once they get enough sex for the moment, they suddenly don't have the time of day for you. This is not limited to a certain age group or other demographic. You were used for sex while being led to believe there was a "real" connection (whatever that means to you).

I am sorry you were played like this, and I hope you have better luck in the future.
 
Some people men will say whatever needs to be said to get laid, and once they get enough sex for the moment, they suddenly don't have the time of day for you. This is not limited to a certain age group or other demographic. You were used for sex while being led to believe there was a "real" connection (whatever that means to you).

I am sorry you were played like this, and I hope you have better luck in the future.
I hear where you're coming from and I do know there are players like this. However, I also know this wasn't the case here. Thank you for your well wishes.
 
His wife probably went out on a date and he couldn't handle it so they closed up their relationship again.
 
I'm spinning mostly on this. That what was clear just a month ago changed, and I don't have any closure on why. That's why I'm looking for input because I need to get my own closure in this case. Make sense?

You give yourself closure.

I think that he went to every effort to try to make me know that this wasn't my fault (even though I still blame myself but that's cause I want some control).

You do have control. You have control over how you choose to deal with the info you were given and this breakup grief.

He doesn't want to tell you details about it, but made every effort to tell you it was not your fault. From what you wrote he sounded on the level. Why don't you want to believe him that this was not your fault?

And I just wish I could have had that information so I could either have adjusted or accepted that it wasn't something I could adjust for. Given his careful wording, all I can conclude was it was not anticipated, it was not me, and that he didn't know when/if it might change.

I guess you could examine why you need the details. You know him enough to know he's not a player. So why isn't the part in bold enough for you?

Do you feel he has to tell you it was because his dad died, his wife cheated, his kid got diagnosed with cancer, or whatever, before you will decide to believe that it was not your fault? It could be anything. All you know is he wants to be private about it and he told you it was not about you, not your fault. You could choose to take him at his word since he's been a person of his word, so far.

You could decide to make your peace with it rather than keep picking at it. Sometimes that's easier said than done, when the break up is so fresh. I know.

But you do have control. You get to say "I don't know why right now. He might let me know more later, or he might never let me know. But I can't live my life on hold waiting for that. I need to move on and keep on living my life."

You will say it to yourself when you are ready. Right now you are sad. And it's ok to be sad. It's ok to take the pause to grieve.

Galagirl
 
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Hello MM74,

I do understand, you have had a full plate and haven't had a lot of opportunity to date and gain dating experience. LAT and poly are right for you. I am sorry your connection from Feeld didn't work out, he sounded like the perfect match for you. I, in your shoes, probably wouldn't have seen his withdrawal coming. I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't know why he withdrew from you. He seems to be keeping that to himself.

I think you needed some closure on this, if he was going to pull away. Considering how much simpatico there was between you and him, he kind owed you some semblance of an explanation. I don't understand why he couldn't give you that much. I don't think you did anything wrong. You were not demanding of his time and attention. I assume he had some reason for ghosting on you, but I can't imagine what that reason might be.

Much sympathy and regards,
Kevin T.
 
Hello MM74,

I do understand, you have had a full plate and haven't had a lot of opportunity to date and gain dating experience. LAT and poly are right for you. I am sorry your connection from Feeld didn't work out, he sounded like the perfect match for you. I, in your shoes, probably wouldn't have seen his withdrawal coming. I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't know why he withdrew from you. He seems to be keeping that to himself.

I think you needed some closure on this, if he was going to pull away. Considering how much simpatico there was between you and him, he kind owed you some semblance of an explanation. I don't understand why he couldn't give you that much. I don't think you did anything wrong. You were not demanding of his time and attention. I assume he had some reason for ghosting on you, but I can't imagine what that reason might be.

Much sympathy and regards,
Kevin T.
Thank you, Kevin..I appreciate your empathy.

I'm not interested in making him the bad guy. I suspect something happened with his spouse and I got the bad end of the deal. It's not like me to get like this in a short period, but there was something really rare in the connection. I may not have dated a ton in the past but it wasn't for lack of not having been asked. There was never anything like this. It didn't seem to just be NRE. It was layered. I would have done anything to help support a change that was needed.
 
I assume LAT is "living apart together"...which is actually what I identify with and is my most ideal relationship model! I am childless by choice, but it LAT makes a lot of sense for a single parent too.

As a poly person, I found the label "solo poly" helpful for a long time, as it focuses on being one's own primary partner and not living with any partners while developing loving, serious connections that aren't as entangled as nesting partners/spouses.

Recently I began to think of myself as more "solo mono" because I have limited time/energy to date more than one person.

To me, it sounds like you are doing a lot of overthinking and stressing because alternative relationship styles are so new to you. That's normal when you're new!
Because most people aren't familiar with open relationships and have negative views of them, you probably aren't getting good advice from monogamous friends regarding what you are looking for in general or what happened here in particular.

As poly people here will tell you, it's very common for men in some form of newly open or newly poly relationship marriage to back out for any number of reasons...maybe their wife turns out to not actually want an open marriage, maybe they realize they can't manage the logistics of a spouse and a girlfriend, maybe they only want something casual, maybe they can't handle their wife also dating, maybe they were never being truthful to begin with, etc.

But, same as with mono dating, people back out for any number of reasons, people get ghosted and never know why, etc. Dating is really hard.

Had you actually met this guy in person or was it all online/chatting so far?

In my opinion, this guy doesn't actually sound like he's a very good communicator or has that high of an EQ at all. If you are drawn to ethical non-monogamy, you can definitely find men who are more highly emotionally intelligent and more clear about what they want.

I've heard good things about Feeld as a dating site. Maybe reactivate your profile and keep trying?

Or try OKCupid with the options set to include non-monogamy?

There are plenty of poly men who would be open to what you are looking for and will not be as weird as this guy about it. There could also be alternative-minded mono men as well.

I'm sorry you connected so well with him and then it changed with no explanation.
 
I assume LAT is "living apart together"...which is actually what I identify with and is my most ideal relationship model! I am childless by choice, but it LAT makes a lot of sense for a single parent too.

As a poly person, I found the label "solo poly" helpful for a long time, as it focuses on being one's own primary partner and not living with any partners while developing loving, serious connections that aren't as entangled as nesting partners/spouses.

Recently I began to think of myself as more "solo mono" because I have limited time/energy to date more than one person.

To me, it sounds like you are doing a lot of overthinking and stressing because alternative relationship styles are so new to you. That's normal when you're new!
Because most people aren't familiar with open relationships and have negative views of them, you probably aren't getting good advice from monogamous friends regarding what you are looking for in general or what happened here in particular.

As poly people here will tell you, it's very common for men in some form of newly open or newly poly relationship marriage to back out for any number of reasons...maybe their wife turns out to not actually want an open marriage, maybe they realize they can't manage the logistics of a spouse and a girlfriend, maybe they only want something casual, maybe they can't handle their wife also dating, maybe they were never being truthful to begin with, etc.

But, same as with mono dating, people back out for any number of reasons, people get ghosted and never know why, etc. Dating is really hard.

Had you actually met this guy in person or was it all online/chatting so far?

In my opinion, this guy doesn't actually sound like he's a very good communicator or has that high of an EQ at all. If you are drawn to ethical non-monogamy, you can definitely find men who are more highly emotionally intelligent and more clear about what they want.

I've heard good things about Feeld as a dating site. Maybe reactivate your profile and keep trying?

Or try OKCupid with the options set to include non-monogamy?

There are plenty of poly men who would be open to what you are looking for and will not be as weird as this guy about it. There could also be alternative-minded mono men as well.

I'm sorry you connected so well with him and then it changed with no explanation.
Thank you so much, Meera!

I relate very much to the solo-mono energy, too. I honestly am not a big fan of all the energy that goes into labels and am usually pretty good at describing what I want. I'm 50 now and my confidence has grown as I get older. I think we all have good life experiences to bring to the table, even if they are not the same.

I've been ghosted in the traditional dating world before and it usually stings for a bit but you move on. I agree that for my benefit, it would have been better to have had a live conversation and sought compromises...but I think there was a threat to the primary relationship and he panicked. He's not perfect, neither am I.

It's been a lot to process because everything else was healthy. I'd previously been in a longer relationship with someone who would disappear and come back when his work was busy but with zero communication. I'm not reliant on someone being present all the time but the communication became the sore spot. So this was really much better. It just got cut short, suddenly. We also had a D/s dynamic developing and I think that has me open more to him and give him more trust.

I really appreciate you listening and being empathetic and gentle questioning. I did reopen an account on Feeld. It's not too bad of a place but the volume is a bit overwhelming. I'm not sure if I'll keep it going but it's nice to remind myself I have options...even when I wish I didn't have to think about that.

I might pick up your solo-mono description when talking with people.... I love LAT or even the idea of living together for maybe a few days and apart for others. I definitely know that a traditional relationship doesn't fit me...
 
I'm a single mother to two almost-adult boys. I've been solo parenting for over ten years and have dated women and men on/off but between parenting, a busy professional job and friends, it wasn't a priority. I also consciously chose to not mingle households with anyone, due to a variety of factors and prefer to keep it this way.

Since it didn't have a higher priority for me, I didn't think too much about different needs outside of traditional dating models, except that LAT has an incredible appeal that suited my independence. As my boys are now older, I started to contemplate things more and came to realize that, like many things in my life, a traditional approach doesn't work. I still don't have much time and am not suited for a traditional relationship. Once I let that go, I felt relieved and started investigating other options.

I went on a less traditional app (Feeld, if it matters) and did all that stuff. I'm pretty picky when it comes to people as in also fairly sapio and demi. Someone liked me and we started chatting and hit it off right away. It was one of those effortless connections. His profile said he was happily partnered and that, although it was unique, his partner knew about him being here. So of course I asked him about it very early. He said the boundaries were it was private, safe and didn't interfere with family. Those were all acceptable to me. Again, not a lot of time on my hands and no desire to disrupt a primary partnership.

There were a few kinks I wanted to explore and we were having a lot of fun flirting and also getting to know each other. Like I said, there was an effortless connection. I was really happy because he seemed to have not only a high IQ but also EQ. He also expressed gratefulness for my attentiveness and observations. And we had a lot of other things that just made for really fun times chatting. (Note that he is also sapio and demi.)

We are both busy professionals and so seemed in sync with when we needed space, as well as recognizing we both had families and needed space for that, too. Yet when we connected, it would be instantaneous gelling.

There was a small hesitation on his part that I might get too attached, as I wasn't partnered. I shared that what I wanted was not to be a primary partner in anything and my time constraints. And we both agreed that affection and a good connection was important.

I noticed last week that he was a bit quiet and teased him a bit. Then on Friday he replied that he was just pulling back in general. He'd deleted his account from Feeld a few weeks ago (as had I) and he said he'd shut down his social media accounts. That I was the only person he was talking to. I asked him if everything was okay and said that we can remove the sexual part from this if that's what he needed. I wanted to keep the connection. It was strong and he felt it too.

He didn't agree but said thank you. Then was quiet again. I was trying to figure out if I had done something wrong. So I reassured him of what I wanted and shared a bit more about how I could empathize with his situation. I also asked him not to project an experience from his past on me. But he fully stepped back. The part that was hardest for me is that he said that traditional or non-traditional relationship because it's not who he is right now and he doesn't see that changing anytime soon.

I am really hurt right now at the speed at which this happened and the powerlessness I feel. I don't understand how he could be on Feeld and presenting one thing and then this happens. I know he wanted to preserve his family unit and at no point did I ask for more or want more.

I understand that every situation is different, but wanted just to understand a bit more what might have happened. It's been suggested to me that he felt the closeness and strength in our connection and that it scared him. To the extent that he had to shut it down. It's also been suggested that something external might have happened and he felt he had to preserve his family unit and protect me at the same time.

I am usually a very measured person. It takes a while for me to warm up to people and I rarely find a balance where I can say there is good reciprocity and attentiveness. From what he said to me, he also felt this. So I'm trying to manage myself and the shock, and having a hard time. Because there was something there and then...he changed and just left abruptly without a conversation.

Of course, I'm respecting his leaving, but part of me is holding onto a little hope that he'll come back, although I know not to wait for that to happen. Has anyone experienced anything similar to this? And is it something I should expect more often? I actually felt that because we could talk about boundaries and keep things contained, this was a safer option for me and allowed myself to trust and believe, but now it doesn't feel that way. I am someone who just naturally connects authentically and deeply with people. That's not about supplanting an existing connection, I thought. I thought it was just adding to it. What did I do wrong?

Edited to add that although I am new to this, my understanding was that he was not.

I feel like I'm grieving not the loss of a sexual relationship but am actual meaningful connection that could have been contained in many ways.
You did nothing wrong.

There are as many reasons for ending a relationship as there are people. Maybe his wife shut it down, maybe he had to suddenly care for a sick parent, maybe he has undisclosed mental illness, maybe he lied to you about being poly and he's just a cheater, maybe he and his wife have agreements that it doesn't become emotional, or it happened too quickly. Maybe he started treating her differently because of NRE for you, and that was hurting their relationship.

My point is, you'll never know the reason (probably), but it wasn't about you. The best you can do is just understand it's what he needed in his life, and it's over. Enjoy the memory and enjoy trying to find someone new. I'm sorry you experienced this. It's incredibly hurtful.
 
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