Understanding the unknown

hopesetting777

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Hi friends! This might be a crazy hectic and long read, but I hope you take the time to listen to my story and share advice to help me, and my partners, navigate something so new to us. I also would like to apologize in advance if I offend any of the community, as I am genuinely new to this life.

BASICS: For safety reasons, I’ll introduce myself as Amy. I’ve recently entered a relationship with a long-time friend of mine, Matthew. Matthew is poly and I’ve known this since meeting him. He has a child with Alexis, who is not poly, but loves threesomes, so it’s something they regularly do. They have a very up and down, in and out, complicated relationship, but genuine love for each other, something I’ve seen being his friend for so long.

BACKSTORY: Matthew and I started at the same company around the same time. We went through orientation and training together, which was a long exhausting process with many late nights, early mornings and tears. We got very close sharing stories about our lives, growing up and the struggles we faced. There was an attraction, yes, but we both loved having someone to talk to and relate with.

It should probably be noted that at this time, I identified as a lesbian woman. I had only been with and dated strictly women for 10 years. I have always felt more “pans,” but only able to emotionally connect with women, so lesbian it was. But here I am, very emotionally connected to this man.

The company we worked for ending up being a living nightmare and the wars we faced there only brought us closer. It got to a point where we’d hold each other after a long, brutal day. There was so much peace in that hug. The world went silent.

*Okay, Amy. You don’t really like men. Yeah, they’re cute sometimes, but let’s be real, you can only tolerate it in doses. But not him. You love every second with him. But also, he’s poly and you’re the most jealous person on earth. It would never work.*

A YEAR IN: When I tell you both our lives are crumbling into pieces, please know I am not exaggerating. He and Alexis hit their lowest point and he moved out. My mom was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. Among many other things, on top of work continuously getting worse, I ended up getting incredibly sick and was admitted in the hospital for 2 weeks. I was highly contagious, so my mom couldn’t visit and no one wanted to potentially catch it. Matthew didn’t care. He visited multiple times, sent flowers, brought food. That’s what did it. Any time I am down, he picks me up. I need him. I love him.

A MONTH IN: We are in love. It happened fast. But we both admit it had been happening the whole time. Everything is absolutely perfect. The happiest either of us have ever been.

With all the bliss and excitement, we ignored two really important parts of each other: he’s poly, I'm not. The moment he mentioned a third person, I freaked out. How could he ask that of me? Am I not enough?

He pleaded his case, “I’ve told you since I met you I’m poly.”

“You love women! Why is it so gross in your eyes?”

And of course, “Don’t knock it till you try it."

I couldn’t stand to hear any more. The self doubt crept in and I felt betrayed. I left. In every sense of the word. I quit my job. I took everything out of his house. I blocked him. I drowned in my sadness for weeks. I was unemployed and heartbroken, so I spent a lot of time thinking, crying, journaling, screaming.

But I realized two things: One, he’s not wrong-- I’m very sexually explorative; I do love women; and I did know this is who he was. I agreed to love every part of him. Two, I meant it when I said I needed him, so why not at least try?

I reached out. While he was thrilled that I wanted to try, he told me that, in the few weeks we didn’t speak, Alexis got a job offer in a different state, and was moving with their child. He had to go with them. He didn’t want to lose his family. He had to focus on them. That was that.

Many sleepless nights passed. Every few days, one of us would break and send a sad text. I accidentally left some stuff behind, so we arranged a time for me to come get my belongings. The moment I saw him, I broke down, and he grabbed me and held me while I cried. Who knows how long we stayed like that? It felt like hours. But once I calmed down, he grabbed my face and said, “I can’t lose you. I need you. You are my peace.” That hug wasn’t just about calming me down. He needed it too.

Now we have a situation. We can’t ignore this. We can’t fight it and we don’t want to. But he’s moving with his family. He’s been working very hard to fix things, and so has Alexis.

We talked, and came up with a solution: let’s try this poly thing: me, him, and Alexis. We brainstormed on how to bring it up to her and how things will work, the specifics, for hours. We ended up falling asleep.

*BOOM BOOM BOOM*

We shot up at 10 am to Alexis banging on his door. Even though last night was innocent, what she walked into did not look good, on top of being confused, because, last she heard, I had him blocked. She asked to speak to me alone. I’m not a confrontational person and she generally isn’t either (just a little spicy) but I would have been just as upset, so yes, let’s talk. I calmly explained what had happened the last 24 hours, including the poly idea. “I love him, every part of him. I’m willing to try this for the sake of his happiness.”

She feels just as betrayed and hurt, if not more, as I did a few weeks ago. “Why does he need me if he has you?”

“He loves us both. He has a life and family with you, something that can never just go away. But he also has something with me that can’t either.”

The three of us talked for hours. They fought a lot. I tried to remain as neutral as possible, and keep the peace. I ended up crying because it was a very tense situation. He came over to console me, which genuinely upset her, as he did not try to console her once. She left, and everything felt wrong.

I told him, “She needs time to come around, just like I did.” And that’s exactly what happened. A few days passed, and she reached out to him with all her questions and concerns. So they met up and talked it all out. I was incredibly anxious and scared the entire time until my phone lit up and he called.

I answered, but it was Alexis. She wanted to hang out with just me. We decided to go get some drinks and get to know each other. The day arrives and I’m an emotional wreck. I’m already a crybaby and PMSing, so I asked her if we could just hang out as his place while he’s at work, and keep it lowkey. We drank wine and talked about our fears and insecurities. We laughed about the dumb stuff he often does. She expressed she’s never DATED a woman and doesn’t know what that looks like. I told her it’s just like having a best friend but with amazing benefits that are different from a man, like sharing clothes, doing each others hair and make up, going shopping together, and that the sex is notoriously better. She’s sold. lol

Once he got home, and saw us together laughing, he broke down in tears. “I am the happiest man on earth right now.” We all hung out till 4 am. We tested the waters and explored boundaries. We felt uncomfortable and we said it. We enjoyed stuff and we said it. We all agree that maybe this could work.

CURRENTLY: Alexis and I realize us having an independent relationship is the most important part of making this work. We are trying to build a solid friendship along with learning each others boundaries and addressing our issues directly, openly and honestly to each other. It’s hard to share the person you love, and even harder to watch him love someone else right in front of you.

We feel like we are in this together, and doing it for genuine reasons. And we actually like each other! We get along great and make each other laugh. We have so much in common too. She and Matthew have their alone time. He and I have our alone time. And it bothers us both, but we’re working with each other to find healthy ways to occupy ourselves and be happy for the other during those times.

My reason for posting this is for genuine advice. I don’t care who has what opinions. Please share with me what has worked for you and your partners, what hasn’t. Dealing with jealousy. Things you have found are important. How to navigate this with kids involved. Alexis has a 14 year old from a previous relationship and they have a 3 year old.

Matthew's lease is up in 7 months and we’ve all talked about getting a house together. What’s the ideal room situation? How do we navigate it around the kids?

Another thing I’d love advice on-- Matthew and I would like to have a baby together down the road, and we think this is going to genuinely hurt Alexis. How and when should we tell her this is a goal of ours?

Any and all advice is so appreciated.

Sincerely
“Amy”
 
Hi Amy, welcome to our little corner of the internet.

Wow, that's a huge journey to get this far. Kudos on being open to the unknown.

Being human is messy. Being in romantic relationships is messier. Being in polyamorous/relationships by design is often the messiest of all as there are so many messy humans involved, and love, compassion and recognition of your own and their ignorance can be a guiding principle. "Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence." Y'all don't know what you're doing, you're making it up as you go along. We all do.

That's a hell of a back story to where you are now but please don't let anyone critique it or label it for anything other than it is...three people trying to figure out their way when faced with an unusual situation.

As for advice. Read other people's messiness and learn about some of the common mistakes, although, tbh, you're probably further through the story than many.

Living together? Have your own bedrooms. Everyone should have a space where they can go that is purely theirs. We afford that to most children these days if we are affluent enough, adults should have the same courtesy. Sure, one person may prefer to call it an office than a bedroom, but have a divan or fold out couch for the nights you just want space.

Speaking of courtesy, lead with that. When I was a teen my parents taught me to tell them where I was going (so they knew where to begin the search) and when I'd be back (so they had an approximate time to begin the search). It still holds true with my nesting partner when I have one, and it's even easier now we all carry cellphones. Don't make your partner worry about you because of crappy communication or bad cell service. That shit causes fights. Don't say you'll be home by midnight. Just don't. There are so many posts here that someone comes in saying, "my gf/bf went on a date but said they'd come home afterwards but they didn't. I feel so betrayed." Just don't. Don't say it. Don't expect it. (Caveat, childcare/night shifts etc. but kids safety always comes first, that's not just courtesy, that's being a decent parent/in loco parentis).

Jealousy is often from fear of loss, envy is rooted in fomo. Golden rule is do unto others. If you are doing things with one person that the other also likes, do that with them, too. If you are doing things with one person the other doesn't like, find a thing to do with the other that the third doesn't care for. Nurture each dyad.

And NURTURE YOURSELF. Make sure you get your own alone time that isn't just hiding in the bathroom (parents, I see you, and even you have kids walk in on you there. It's tough, boundaries take time to communicate to toddlers, they learn eventually.) Don't indulge toddler behaviour in adults. Boundaries should be respected.

Keep your friendships outside your two relationships. Keep your hobbies. Keep your job, for God's sake, keep your job. And your own bank accounts. Keep your autonomy, your sense of self. Some people get swallowed up in one relationship; you're in two - that could be considered twice as easy to lose your own identity. Be on guard. You ARE the main character of your own story. Write it.

As for how the story unfolds, be it shared house, or possibly more easily autonomous spaces of some ilk, be it a duplex, next door or a suburb over, you're still going to be messy humans just trying to do the best for yourselves and your kids. And there's likely to be drama, and even break ups eventually given the nature of modern relationships, but if you can all just be as kind as possible to each other during the relationship (and during the potential breakups) then you've done all that is humanly possible without sacrificing yourself.
 
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Hello Amy,

You are in the early stages of your triad relationship. As the saying goes, "First year forming, second year storming, third year norming." You are somewhere between your forming and storming stages, it is okay to have some upset feelings, that is part of the process. If you hang in there, things will slowly get better. I suggest the three of you get together once a week or once a month, to discuss your relationship/s with each other and have a "state of the union address." You may need to make adjustments in your working agreements, and those talks are the time to decide on those adjustments. Also you can share with each other how you feel, and what your needs are. When it comes to communication, you should never assume. Always get/give confirmation. And don't assign blame, no one is at fault here. Here are some resources for dealing with jealousy:
Hang in there,
Kevin T.
 
Good read, solid words, excellent pacing 10/10 first post.

So, both you and Alexis are learning how to love and be in a relationship with someone who is poly. That's a lot to figure out all at once, and as you'll see from any of the veterans of this site, an enormous paradigm shift for the uninitiated. Welcome to the Matrix.

I want to push back on your belief that a relationship between you and Alexis being paramount in making the entire system work: I fundamentally disagree. You can't force a relationship to be anything it's not, and anything that works long-term for you all is going the be paramount to keeping the system stable, not how often the two of you make-out. There may well be other "metamours" appearing down the road and you all need to be aware and comfortable with what that will mean, but you should never feel obligated to feel as strongly about someone else's lover as you do for them. Poly doesn't mean everybody loves everybody equally; it means everyone loves everyone else differently and that's ok.

Getting Alexis on board with new baby plans ASAP is gonna be integral to her not feeling like she got stuck in something she didn't sign up for. The longer she's out of the loop, the more she'll feel like an obstacle to be overcome rather than a partner whose opinion and feelings are valued.
 
Hi Amy,

Welcome.

Reading and rereading your post, a few things stick out to me.

1) You say Matthew and Alexis have a very up and down, complicated relationship. I have no idea why you'd want to insert yourself into the middle of that, including moving to another state, and moving in with them and their child. Their one argument with you present sounded bad enough.

It sounds to me (I could be wrong, please confirm) that you've only been friends with Matthew for about a year, and only admitted to and declared your love for each other a month or two ago. With all the other complications (your joblessness, their chaotic relationship, the presence of a child), it seems unwise to try and move in with them. Heck, it sounds iffy whether Matthew and Alexis should even live together, from what I see. They aren't living together at this point.

2) You seem to be implying that if you decide to date Matthew (despite being lesbian), and move to another state to be with him, and all that entails, that having Alexis as a sex partner would help grease the wheels, so to speak. I think you're trying to tell us you and she had threesome sex at least once with Matthew already, and it was hot. (Yes?)

I say, so what?

You've got a complicated relationship going with Matt. He's got a complicated relationship with Alexis. You've got a complicated relationship with yourself (loving a man after having been lesbian all your life.) Why introduce one more complication-- sex with Alexis, possible emotions arising, and the resulting swirl of NRE, etc.?

This is my advice:

1. Slow down.

2. Stop having sex with Alexis, if you are. Any kind of sex. There is no need for that! (Being friends isn't even required, but it's nice. Keep it at that.) She's not polyamorous. But you possibly could be. What if you fell in love with her, but she didn't fall in love with you? Then you'd have a disconnect and a possible end to the threesomes, and the whole shebang reverting to a V. Maybe you won't even like kitchen-table poly, after all. Maybe having garden-party poly, or parallel poly, would work better.

3. Get a job.

4. Let Matt and Alexis and the kid move to their new home(s). Give them time to get settled. See how their relationship unfolds over the next several months. Why get super-entangled in their mess?

You can surely visit back and forth, but don't go signing any leases.

5. After say, 6 months go by (at least), assess. See if you still want to move. If and when you do, get your own apartment.

6. Put getting pregnant on hold. Don't even think about it until you see how stable all the adult relationships truly are. There is no rush.

7. Slow down.
 
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I see Alexis actually has two kids. One is a teenager. Is this teen aware of the whole complicated thing, the polyamory, the open relationship? Where does this kid's father come into this, if Alexis is moving?

You say that Matthew's lease is up in seven months. Is Alexis moving out of state shortly, leaving M behind to ride out his lease, or what?

Again, if I were you, the last thing I'd be contemplating right now is house-sharing with these two, and the two kids of disparate ages, any time soon, if ever.
 
I'm confused about why you need to have a romantic/sexual relationship with Alexis. That's not a requirement of polyamory.

Most poly people date separately. Why can't Matthew have a relationship with Alexis and a separate relationship with you?

It just seems like you and Matthew are sort of forcing Alexis to be involved with you when she is monogamous and has never dated a woman before. She may enjoy occasional threesome sex, but she may not actually want a girlfriend.

What I mean is, just because you and Matthew have feelings for each other, and Matthew and Alexis have feelings for each other, doesn't mean all three of you have to date in a triad.
 
So you moved to another state?

I'm with others on what has been written. I understand you're in love and it's normal to have fantasies about happily ever after and babies, but in the real world, it's good to wait a year before moving in with your lover (let alone your metamour) and perhaps another before deciding if you want to have a kid. Of course, age could be a factor.

For inspiration on living situations, we have two separate apartments in the same building. Me and Meta would kill each other in a shared kitchen (not mentioning other problems). I usually see her briefly once or twice a week when she rings at the door to talk to idealist or fetch something, and basically we could go a month without even that level of contact if there was some jealousy crisis (there have been in the past). We have some shared friendgroups and she'd invite me to birthdays and such, but we don't make an effort to spend time together. (That's what people started to call garden party poly nowadays ;))

It's nice to have a nice metamour relationship, and maybe that intimacy you started is something you genuinely want, but triads do mean a LOT of complications on top of more parallel-type poly.
 
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