Waiting in the wings

Evie

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It is not unusual for someone to already have someone in mind when they ask to transition to polyamory.

I just wanted to lift this comment (from Kevin in another thread) up for a bit of a general poly discussion. We know it's common, we see it here A LOT. I'm pretty sure somewhere along the way a lot of us have given a response along the lines of, "it's not advisable to open a current relationship with someone waiting in the wings." And yet, that's the huge motivation for so many people. Sometimes there may be some mention of "an emotional affair" if - not an outright sexual one - that has caused someone to rethink monogamy, or serial monogamy. Perhaps there's enough polyamory content on much larger platforms than this one that the seeds are getting planted to much bigger and more fertile ground.

I've noticed that many of our replies are not condemning these confessions of having someone in mind as much as they were a few years ago. Sure, this can be really tough on the partner that gets the poly bomb dropped on them, but so would, "I've met someone else and I'm leaving you" be.

So, it appears to me that ethics have shifted (and not in a purely linear fashion) from, "it's not a good idea to open with someone else in mind," to, "if you do, it's likely you'll have to write this particular person-of-interest off and open with a blank slate," to, "if there's someone in the wings, have the opening up conversations *before* pursuing that connection. Give your partner time to listen, grieve, learn, adjust and if they then agree, go ahead with that person of interest," and the modifier, "it's okay to pop a time limit on that process so there isn't an eternal limbo." Sure, there's the chance that that conversation will end with, "I'm leaving" but it has the potential of being a measured choice by either person. And of course, it could be a case of breaking up with the monogamous person to be with the polyamorous one, (or potentially, just another pathway to serial monogamy).

So, just to toss around some ideas, is there another ethical approach, or somehow soon to be ethical approach to the oh so common love triangle?

(Also, I'm watching an episode of M*A*S*H wherein the most faithful of husbands, BJ Hunnicut, is grappling with falling for another woman but, being BJ, he simply walks away.)
 
In my experience, the risk (for me) isn't what people usually say.

The times I've been the person who inspires someone to open their relationship (for me), its been rare we're actually compatible as a poly couple.

Most often, the person isn't actually polyamorous at all. They were in a monogamous relationship that wasn't working and so opening it seemed like a solution. They then met me (or someone else) and it met whatever need the other relationship didn't meet. Then, they just wanted to be monogamous with that new, better match.

Other times, they were somewhere on the ENM or even poly spectrum, but they just wanted something totally different to what I did. Thinking about it, maybe the way they exited the previous monogamous relationship steered them towards a relationship structure where someone couldn't leave them, the way they left their ex.

So for me as an established poly person, I am not optimistic about the longevity of a relationship that starts that way. That way being when you get a crush on someone else and open the relationship to pursue that crush. That's why I'd tell the crush (whether they're poly or not) not to bank on this person still being (your type of) poly in 5 years.

So that's why I think the old advice of advising the monoganously partnered person to let that crush go and consider what relationship style they want is really the best advice. It's the most ethical.

It's most ethical because it also protects us (established poly people), too. If we can be as sure as we can be that the person is choosing polyamory and not NRE, then we reduce the chance of them wanting monogamy from us down the line. We have more of chance to actually see if our poly styles match if they've put some consideration in first.

It's also better if people come to a joint decision that a relationship isn't working and make as cleaner break as they can. And then both are free(er) to start again how they'd want to.
 
So, just to toss around some ideas, is there another ethical approach, or somehow soon to be ethical approach to the oh so common love triangle?

Measured against WHOSE personal ethics, though?

While I'm sympathetic, and I try to center that the OP that is posting about their struggle, and I'm not going to condemn anyone for struggling, measured against my personal ethics, I'd sort out old business before starting up new business. For me it isn't a problem. I never promised monogamy in the first place. I'm one of the few like that here.

I'm also older and don't experience the same kind of grief/wailing/gnashing of teeth that younger people seem to do over break-ups or change. I think when you are young and haven't had many relationships under your belt, it hits you differently than when you are older and have lived though that and other griefs. It still stinks to be sad and grieving over a break up, but it's not this scary thing. You know you have lived through it before and can get through it again. There's a comfort in that, which young people don't always have yet, so it adds to their stress.

Another thing that sometimes adds to their stress is being decisive and making hard calls. Again, I'm older. I've had to make hard calls in my personal life, in my work life, etc. So if I have to make another one, I reflect and then I just make the best call I can and own it. Sometimes people won't like me because of the call I made, and I'm ok with that.

Some people are going to struggle with making hard calls.

Singles that wonder about poly don't carry the fear of "losing my (other) relationship." There isn't another relationship to consider. It's the coupled people. If a person who is coupled is wondering about poly after promising monogamy, and maybe changing their minds about monogamy, or having promised that without really thinking about it, or realizing there are other relationship models? For them, them sorting old business first becomes: WHICH old business first?
  • How they were raised and going on a different path than that
  • Changing their core beliefs about love, relationships -- maybe actively thinking about it for the first time rather than going on auto-pilot?
  • Dealing with their current relationship and asking partner if they'd consider poly
  • Depending on who the crush is... dealing with LGBTQ+ awakenings
  • Crushing on a roomie, a coworker, the best friend of the partner, other messy people
  • Worries about family/friend support
  • Being honest with themselves -- is it really wanting poly or just wanting to line up a new person before dumping the old one because they are scared to be alone; or wanting to keep the old person around for a safety net; or from guilt?
  • What about dealing with internal struggles with having a crush, for wanting to leave the old partner, or other things?

Say they ask their partner if they are up for a change. Depending on the answer:

The couple....
  • Stops being a couple. One of them wants out.
    • It is a peaceful parting
    • It is a messy parting
  • Decides to let the poly idea go and stick with monogamy
  • Decides to change to a new poly model... but fails.
    • They let polyamory go, and try a different non-monogamy that works better for them
    • They return to monogamy
    • Or they break up.
      • It is a peaceful parting
      • It is a messy parting
  • Decides to change to a new poly model and succeeds.

I find that many times it's largely anticipatory grief, like the bargaining stage of grief -- knowing that eventually they have to make a choice, but trying to avoid having to make it by getting both partners to just agree to poly. Poly in that sense is being used like a "band-aid." I think it just leads to mess.


(Also, I'm watching an episode of M*A*S*H wherein the most faithful of husbands, BJ Hunnicut, is grappling with falling for another woman but, being BJ, he simply walks away.)

I remember that episode. Carrie gets dumped by her husband in a letter. BJ tries to console her and they end up sharing sex, even though he's married to Peg. They both struggle with how to continue as coworkers. Carrie wants to transfer out. Potter stops her. BJ struggles with what to tell his wife. He's writing her a letter and Hawkeye stops him and tells him not to send it. BJ and Carrie talk it out and decide to set it aside as a one-time thing, and choose to carry on with their field hospital work as coworkers and friends.

War conditions are a whole other thing, but I can see possible parallels.

Say that's the hypothetical couple. Let's simplify it down-- no war, no divorce, no war time fling, no coworkers, just bare bones.

BJ and Carrie

He has an attraction to her and suspects it is mutual. She's single and he's married.

Does BJ have things to square up internally first? Does he want help with that from a friend or therapist, or does he want to sort it on his own?

Should BJ tell his wife Peg about his crush on Carrie? Does he tell Peg about his internal struggles?

Should BJ tell Carrie about his crush on Carrie? Does he tell Carrie about his internal struggles?

Who does he tell first? His wife; the potential; or a friend or therapist (before telling either his wife or his potential)?

GalaGirl
 
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I remember that episode. Carrie gets dumped by her husband in a letter. BJ tries to console her and they end up sharing sex even though he's married to Peg.

Actually, it was the episode he fell for Aggie, the war correspondent. No sex, no kiss, no letter to Peg, a final conversation with Aggie, a hug, then a resolute walk away without looking back.
 
Oh, that other one! Thanks for clarifying. It's been a long time since I watched them. I looked up the numbers.

S5E19 Hanky Panky --- BJ and Carie

S8E23 War Co-Respondent --- BJ and Aggie

BJ really struggles with his attraction for Aggie in that one.

GG
 
He does, and chooses Peg, which is true to his character. Of course, polyamory wasn't even on the radar (sorry lol) back then, and an opening up conversation at that distance and time wouldn't have been feasible, but the acknowledgement that the human experience is that there's a very real possibility of finding another person that sparks a deep attraction even when married (or otherwise seriously partnered) is what brings a lot of people to consider polyamory these days.

There are a variety of ways to manage such an experience, and no guaranteed outcome. Feelings are messy. Societal expectations around coupledom are still predominantly mononormative. As noted, ethics are not cut and dried and "whose ethics" is a very valid question.
 
Of course, polyamory wasn't even on the radar (sorry lol) back then

Ha. Radar. I saw what you did. :)

The MASH story time was the Korean War (1950-1953). The MASH show was aired in 1972-1983. Polyamory certainly was not on TV "full on" yet in either of those times. But that's not a reflection of real life. I think people were probably involved in poly relationships in the past, but just not calling that.

But yes. BJ struggles with temptation again.

When BJ is confiding in Hawkeye during surgery that he's tempted and struggling, Hawkeye reminds him that people get brought together in war that might not actually work out in real life back home.

(To me that's the NRE parallel right there. Just because you have an attraction or you are all NRE drunk and it is creating this false urgency thing, doesn't mean this it's actually gonna pan out long term.)

BJ declines Aggie's proposal despite the attraction, probably because he already "fell off the fidelity wagon" once with Carrie in Season 5 and wasn't up for it again. And he does really love his wife Peg. He tells Aggie his family is his lifeline.

Aggie respects his choice and sends him that message through the art work she "gives" to Potter, but which was really for BJ. She drew him with a life preserver with his family's location on it.

It's a good "break-up" for them, even though they talk, but never actually go there, so there isn't anything to break up.

but the acknowledgement that the human experience is that there's a very real possibility of finding another person that sparks a deep attraction even when married (or otherwise seriously partnered) is what brings a lot of people to consider polyamory these days.

Yes, always possible. It might lead to considering poly. Sometimes it leads to anguish and having to review core beliefs or their understanding of love/attraction. Sometimes it leads to other things.

I've seen some people struggle with that -- like if you feel that attraction at all, SURELY it must mean you that you don't really love your partner or don't love them enough, when really, it's just being alive.

But then polyamory practice is also saying a lot of "No." Like yay, sparks maybe for this new person! But no. Wrong person, wrong time, saturated, work, family, friends, messy, etc. So not pursuing.

Akin to BJ: for the first time since Peg he really felt some sparks for a new person, Aggie. But he decided not to go there. Maybe he would for the right person. But no. It was the wrong time and wrong circumstances to explore that.

I remembered wondering about Peg at home, and if in their letters to each other, did BJ and Peg ever talk about "open while gone," much like some people today might have that agreement, especially those who travel a lot for work?

Maybe Peg was getting lonely stateside, just as BJ sometimes got lonely in Korea.

Societal expectations around coupledom are still predominantly mononormative.

Yup. It's changing, but change is slooooooow.
 
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I can't speak for others, but I was "waiting in the wings" when my now-partner, metamour, and I transitioned into poly. We seem to be doing pretty well in spite of that. Brother-Husband knew that I was waiting in the wings from his very first discussion with Snowbunny about poly. It took about a year for him to accept poly, but he did accept my part in the equation from the beginning.

By the way, Snowbunny and I were coworkers at the time when we developed feelings for each other. Come to think of it, Brother-Husband and Snowbunny were also coworkers when they developed feelings for each other. Also I was a friend of Brother-Husband and Snowbunny for about ten years before our discovery of poly, so I was definitely a messy person. Not entirely relevant to the thread topic here, I guess I'm just saying that the standard answers don't work for everyone.
 
And by the way, their marriage was in trouble back then. We definitely embodied the sarcastic proverb, "Relationship broken, add more people." Just saying.
 
I can't speak for others, but I was "waiting in the wings" when my now-partner, metamour, and I transitioned into poly. We seem to be doing pretty well in spite of that. Brother-Husband knew that I was waiting in the wings from his very first discussion with Snowbunny about poly. It took about a year for him to accept poly, but he did accept my part in the equation from the beginning.

Snowbunny and I were coworkers at the time when we developed feelings for each other. Come to think of it, Brother-Husband and Snowbunny were also coworkers when they developed feelings for each other. Also, I was a friend of Brother-Husband and Snowbunny for about ten years before our discovery of poly, so I was definitely a messy person. Not entirely relevant to the thread topic here, I guess I'm just saying that the standard answers don't work for everyone.
Their marriage was in trouble back then. We definitely embodied the sarcastic proverb, "Relationship broken, add more people."

So how did you make it work?
 
Lots of time and communication. Our first few years together were rough -- in general -- not all the time. But I think that's the case with most new polycules. We just learned how to understand and get along with each other.
 
I think that as polyamory becomes more known these things are going to come up And we will see it here, in this forum, more and more. When poly language or knowledge wasn’t easily obtainable the rule society imposed was “you can’t do that” or “you must end first relationship before pursuing the second“ unless you intend to have an affair. So people broke up or suffered through feelings they weren’t allowed to act on Or had affairs until they were forced to choose.

I saw my first poly tv show, on showtime, I think, and I was amazed and intrigued. I did not want what they had, but I was interested in the concept. Fast forward 10 years and hubby and I both wanted different things in our lives but are still committed to each other and sharing our lives together. I suggested polyamory and we did a ton of learning and research to get where we are today. Opening to poly really did save our marriage because the things each of us needed, neither of us could live without in our monogamous relationship.

i Think people have enough exposure now, that when feelings do develop and they realize you CAN love another person without it changing the way you feel about the first partner, they look into polyamory more as a real alternative to monogamy or divorce. Most people who develop feelings outside of a marriage do not want that marriage to end.
 
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