Which way to turn?

Called off work today. Fibro is outta control and three nights of panic attacks have taken their toll.

I've taken my anxiety meds, hopefuly they work.

I love how when g/f calls in a panic, he spends hrs on the phone with her.

When I call I get "do you know why?" and silence. I asked when he was coming home and was told he was enjoying a bonfire and would be home when he sobered up.

Feeling really alone and confused and lost at the moment.

Of course I don't want him to drive when he's been drinking, but it seemed like I was interupting his night and he didn't care that I needed him.

Don't tell me to call if I need something, and then not follow through.
 
Hugs! Mo, panic attacks are so hard! I have been experiencing them for years. I have a great deal of empathy for you. It is so frightening to be afraid and truly unable to ground yourself.

I am sorry your not feeling supported.
 
((((HUGS)))) to you Mo! I'm sorry you are going through this and that your needs are not being met. The balancing act that hinges have to go through is extremely difficult. However - you are his wife and he should put your needs above hers. I hope he sobered up and came home to be with you.

I'm sure you two will be able to talk about this and work things out so you don't feel like this again!
 
I have a lot to update, but for now. I am in a better frame of mind. Karma and I had a long talk when he got home. I shut down more than I thought and he really didn't know how bad it was. We are heading to faire to see friends and take my mind off things. Will fill you all in later. Thanks for the support.
 
Wow!! What a weekend!!

So Friday the guy that was training me did a not so sneaky breast grab, I then found out that my position isn't classified as cashier, it's a "hidden" position so they can save on numbers and put me whereever they want, then found out that there are no full time positions, yet plenty of people working full time-their way of not paying benefits- and was told to get used to it, come holiday season I'd be on 40 hrs too, was then told that for my 9 hr day on sat I would be out in the 80 degree heat setting people up for oil changes and tires, when told that won't happen, due to my meds I can't be in the heat like that- was once again told to suck it up.

Came home, went to bed.

Called off Saturday. Mix of fibro attack, panic attack and just exhaustion.

Karma spent a few hours with me then off he went to see G/F. Fine whatever, I told them they could have work hours, so why should be calling off change that? Called Karma around midnight to tell I took and anxiety med. Didn't do so well with communicating that I needed him.

He FINALY came home around 3 am, read my post, got mad and then we got to talking. By 7 he had drug everything out of me and we decided I was done, I quit, and would deal with it Monday. Sunday he was going to Darkon then we were going to Faire to see friends and have a good time.

Woke up today and had a pretty good time at Ren faire. there was some Drama but whatever.

Came home and decided we were both in too much pain to cook, went to a diner for their $6 meals. After ordering, realized he left the debit card in his wallet, in his garb, at home. He left to go get it. Comes back all weird.

Girlfriend had e-mailed me earlier in the day to say she had read my blog, had some questions, all seemed cool and calm, I messaged back that when I got home and could think, I'd respond.

Well apparently while driving home to get the card they talked, and she was PISSED, at what she had read.

He comes back and fills me in, and wow did that place get some entertainment. I went OFF!!!!! I was being accused of purposely pushing buttons, being catty, being a bitch, and the constant I;ve made my mind up about her and won't give her a chance thing. Oh and my favorite, I'm playing games. I wish I had known it was going on, I'd have sold tickets to the customers to witness my rant, and poor Karma being stuck in the middle.

Got home, she IM's him that she's sorry if she pissed him off but she's sick of my games, he tells her she can tell me that and hands me the computer. We then yelled a bit back and forth and 2 hrs later if not more, were discussing making plans to hang out and her first post on here and what to say.

Basicaly we have different context for the same words, lots of miscommunication, playing telephone through Karma, her fearing confrontation and me apparently coming off as a condescending bitch. I think we worked through most of it. Part of it was Karma encouraging her to stand up to me and fight back. I didn't want a fight, I just wanted SOMETHING other than blank stares. She took a lot of what I say personaly, when in fact much of it was generalizations. She felt I didn't find her worthy of being with Karma when I asked what he saw in her, when in fact I was asking because I wanted to know. I wanted to know what was inside the shell of a person I saw. It had nothing to do with being worthy, and everything to do with wanting to understand her.

She doesn't know me, to trust that coming to me with an issue, won't result in me saying they can't be together anymore. I tried to emphasize that had I wanted to break them up/ veto their relationship, that wold have happened long before now. Now I see that she does care about him and isn't out to hurt him. All 3 rules (happy, healthy, sane) are being met, so I have no need to veto.

I dunno if I made my point or not. I guess time will tell.

I do look forward to having her posting on here. I hope she gets the same awesome feedback I get. I know the friends I've made on here have been really helpful in putting things in perspective.

And we promised no more telephone through Karma. We promised to talk things out, or IM things out as the case may be.

So tomorrow, Karma and I are going to call the state prosecuter to see if I have any grounds to file a complaint on any of the issues at work. We are then job hunting. But given the pain I am in right now, the job hunting may not happen til tuesday, we shall see.

And thanks to Living My Best Life- I now have better mid panic attack communication. Karma and I are going to discuss a set of code words. So If I can't really spell out everything, but need him home, I can tell him that, and he'll know he needs to come home, like NOW.

Still have some residual anxiety and panic, and some nervousness over tomorrow. I hate that I shut down instead of standing up for myself. that is so NOT me and I don't know why it happened. But I am doing something now, so hopefuly it does some good.

Once again, I don't know that g/f and I will be the best of friends, but at least the line of communication is open. We had our first real conversation since this whole thing started. So even though it started out shitty, it ended on a good note.

So now I am going to snuggle with my boy. Apologize again for making him look like the bad guy last night. (yes 3 am was a little much, but I didn't exactly tell him I needed him, I had shut so far down, apparently long before this weekend, that he had no idea where I was mentaly.) And hopefully get a good nights sleep.


I think that sums up my weekend. It's all kind of blur now.
 
Panic attacks

Mo,

Always here on the panic attack front. I am very very lucky to have a pscyhologist who understands me. She is also awesome at helping someone through the most horrible situation imaginable.

Critical is to give an intial alert, so that Karma is aware there is potential for a full blown code call. Yes, there are times I go into panic out of nowhere, and other's where I feel it coming.

Hugs,

L
 
Oh Mo!!!! Okay I hope both of you on here can help work things out. Truly I do- communication is best, I just hope it doesn't get too intense for you. Are you okay with the back and forth that happens? Can you physically handle that added drama? I hope so my dear. I guess that cat is outta the bag anyway, posts have and will continue to be read. Be mindful of eachother. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Realise that Karma will be hurt and put in an awkward position no matter who is right or wrong. Don't do what I do darlin. I often write/answer posts without thinking of the repercussions. I am working on that. Make sure it is a battle that is worth having...cattiness will have to be in check from now on. However, if it is a real issue then use this forum as a sounding board as you have and a way to communicate to her clearly who you are and how you feel. Best of luck sweets!
 
I have never been affraid to confront somone. I may take a few days to calm down, get my points straight, or whatever, but I see no good coming over crossing my fingers and hoping it will all turn out. If I'm happy, I can focus on making those around me happy. So I try to deal with things as soon as they come up.

G/f is the complete opposite.

My biggest fear is that she'll not say something she needs to on here for fear of my response, or that she'll have something to say about something I've said and not address it for fear of my response.

After our talk, I have more understanding of why she's like this, but it doesn't make it any easier to deal with.

If we have conflict over posts, I think that will be way.

I'm not interested in fighting just to fight. I am interested in putting in the work, painful as it may be, to sort through any issues and find resolution.


I think a lot of people, not just g/f, have a hard time believing me when I say I value honesty more than anything, that my word is my bond, that I don't waste time on pretty words to make others feel better when there's something that needs to be said.

People just don't know how to deal with me. Society as a whole is so full of backstabbing, two faced, bitchery, that it's hard to believe people like me exist.

I think because of that it is just as hard for her to understand me, because she has to go out on that branch and trust that I mean what I say, as it is for me to understand her.

A lot of presumptions were made, based on past history with others. I am often reminded that I am an original in how I deal with things, how I process things, how I deal with others.

It hurt, to be lumped in with catty highschool girls who play games, for simply stating what I saw and what I felt. I understand where she was coming from, and I understand I hurt her as well. But being accussed of something I have strived hard to avoid completely was a like a slap in the face.

It bothered me that she would think I was pushing buttons just to get s response from her. Did she ever wonder why Karma, with the personality he has, would be with someone like that? She doesn't have anything to go on other than past experiences with that type of woman, so for some of it I can understand. But I tried really hard to not make accusations that seemed outlandish. Would Karma date someone with the traits I am accusing her of having? Probably not, so I think I need to relook at this.


So anyway, our talk was a good one and I hope we only continue to straighten things out and build on that. It's hard for me to switch my brain around and realize she works differently than anyone else I've encountered, but she has to do the same with me. I have to work on stopping myself from going into full confrontation. Most everyone I associate with gets that about me. It's why we're friends. You need tough skin to hang around the people I call family. I don't have the energy to waste on fake smiles and tea parties. It's much easier to know I can call Panda or anyone else and say "here's my issue, when this happened I felt like this. Here's my idea of how things went down and why I feel this way. Here's what I want done to resolve it. What was your take on that?"

I don't waste time with pretty words. When I found out about Karma and g/f, one of the biggest slaps was that Panda had known for months and never said a word. We promised eachother if we ever knew of the others spouse committing such acts, we'd say something. I was beyond pissed at her. I took a few days then went over and simply stated " You really hurt me and pissed me off by breaking that promise and not telling me. I know you felt he should have and that it wasn't your place, but you made a promise and when it was obviouse he wasn't going to step up, you should have. I felt like I lost a lot of trust for you, that instead of loving us both, you had loyalties to him and I was a cast off. I'm not sure how to recover us from here."

And from there we talked and moved on.

No yelling. No screaming. No fighting. Just flat out here's the issue.

But I apparently can't do that with g/f without coming off as a total bitch, so I need to figure out what to do to change that, and how to switch it on when she's involved.

I think for now, online communication is still best. But we may be getting to a point of spending acutal time together.
 
And thanks to Living My Best Life- I now have better mid panic attack communication. Karma and I are going to discuss a set of code words. So If I can't really spell out everything, but need him home, I can tell him that, and he'll know he needs to come home, like NOW.

This sounds really great! I bet it will really help you get what you need when these panic attacks happen.

I think for now, online communication is still best. But we may be getting to a point of spending acutal time together.

Glad to hear there's some progress going on, even if its still very difficult.


Anotherbo :)
 
and we promised no more telephone through karma. We promised to talk things out, or im things out as the case may be.

hooray!!!!!!!
 
For being sick I was baking like crazy today. Karma is sick too so we split diner duty, he's making burgers and I made sweet potato chips. I baked them though, so they aren't very crisp.

Then I made an apple for g/f and an apple pie for us, and then made Karma's favorite cookies, but accidentaly dumped all the butter in the dirty sink, so I made them into brownies instead.

G/f is having a ton of drama at home, and is sick on top of it, plus school and the drama with us, I decided she needed something yummy to come home to. I'm sending it with Karma when he goes to get her from school at 11.

Think it's gonna be an early night for all of us.
 
G/f is having a ton of drama at home, and is sick on top of it, plus school and the drama with us, I decided she needed something yummy to come home to. I'm sending it with Karma when he goes to get her from school at 11.

Thanks Mohegan! Pie made getting up this morning worthwhile. :D If homework and ma famille allow, I'll post an introduction after class tonight.
(This is G/F, btw)
 
Thanks Mohegan! Pie made getting up this morning worthwhile. :D If homework and ma famille allow, I'll post an introduction after class tonight.
(This is G/F, btw)

I am so glad you're on here, and for the preview of your post. I am not deluding myself into believing that this will all be sunshine and sparkles feom now on, but I think it's an awesome line of communication that we need, with the added bonus of insight and help from others who are on the outside looking in, and for some, who have years of experience in making it all work.


Glad you liked the pie and brownies :D

Now I am off to find something for Karma and I to eat that doesn't require any effort to make. Bah! I hate being sick.
 
There's an odd weight that's lifted now, that I didn't even know was there. It's nice to FINALY understand where Cricket is coming from and to get the motivation behind the actions. Since our talk the other night we've been writing books back and forth on Facebook, and I think it is doing us some good.

The contempt I held for her is gone.

Still don't agree with some things, but that's natural. Still don't completely understand some things, but again, natural.

I think A LOT of it stems from how alike we really are.

Being this way works great with others who aren't like me.

But when met with someone with very similar personality traits, it ended up putting us on opposite ends of the Earth because neither of us knew what the hell to do.

It takes me a long time to trust. I am a bit ( or a lot) stand offish. I wait for others to make the first move, so I can analyze them and figure out why they did what they did and what type of person that makes them and if they are worth my time.

We were both waiting on the other to do something, to give the other, something, to play off of.

We've been talking about how neither of us really gave the other anything to go on. My opinion? Because we don't know how to be the one to start, or are too afraid to be the one to start. So we both kept waiting for the other to share something, or say something to start a true conversation.

By the time we did, I was giving advice,that she didn't really want, but it was all I knew how to do, given that I had nothing else to relate with her on. So she took my words as judgemental and condesending. When all I really wanted to do was help.


I love the phrase "Oh the tangled webs we weave" and it couldn't be more true than now.

Only now we are trying to untangle 5 months worth of pain, misunderstanding, assumptions, and confusion.

We've woven quite the web, and were in risk of tangling ourselves beyond saving, but as usualy happens, things worked out right when they were supposed to.
 
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My head is kind of spinning at the moment.

J/A (crickets on again off again other b/f) Needs to keep my name out of his mouth. I am so sick of him thinking he can use me, to play her. I haven't spoken to him since MAY!!! How the HELL does he know what I want or feel? He DOESN'T!!! But he's doing a damn good job of causing issues, just by being alive.
 
Okay I'm calmer.

The issue stemmed from reading an IM between Cricket and Karma. Cricket was discussing an issue with J/A and apparently he is still oh so upset about the breech of my trust committed by Cricket and Karma, among other things.

At first I was pissed b/c I took it to mean a current breech. Meaning all this talk of honesty, and all this work on trust, was bull shit. My world was kind of rocked.

After talking to Karma I am calmer. And get where the whole thing was coming from.

But I am still really irritated with J/A.

He tried to use me as a pawn in keeping cricket all to himself 5 months ago. At which point I told him to never speak to me, never use my name.

The fact that I was brought up during their discussion of issues, PISSES ME OFF.

He has no concept as to why I was upset at their betratal. I don't give a damn that they fucked, when they fucked or who the hell else they fucked.

I was upset about the lies.

He has no place, and no business, pretending to give a damn about my feelings, when he was the one who out of malice, sent me the e-mail that brought this whole shit storm to the open. So don't sit there and act like you care about my feelings when in reality, you are once again trying to use me as a pawn in your sick emotional game.

I don't wish bad on others often, but I really wish he and D would both move to deserted island in the path of a hurricane. So if they don't kill eachother, mother nature can take out her mistakes herself.

They are both sick nasty fucks who prey on women and deserve nothing but to have their own karma destroy them.



Okay, Rant over.
 
I love the phrase "Oh the tangled webs we weave" and it couldn't be more true than now.

Only now we are trying to untangle 5 months worth of pain, misunderstanding, assumptions, and confusion.

We've woven quite the web, and were in risk of tangling ourselves beyond saving, but as usualy happens, things worked out right when they were supposed to.
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Watching the show "sister wives" Brought up some intersting points for me, that I hadn't addressed in awhile.

I grew up with my "Aunt" living with us. She and my mom were close friends and she moved in with my parents shortly after they were married. She moved out somewhere around when I was in 3rd grade.

There has never been any confirmation or denial, of any sexual relationship between any of them. My brother and I have always had our suspicions, but it's something that's never been brought up.

But growing up in that environment, I always imagined, as a child, living with a close friend with my husband. As a teenager and as an adult, I wanted something more, but wouldn't let myself accept my own sexuality and how it would play into that.

So watching the show brought up somethings for me, because that is part of what hurt about Cricket joining our lives. I thought it was something my husband and I would do together, and that was taken away from me.

I don't know how long they'll be together. I can't predict the future on that one, but it was just something that crept back up. I didn't get a say in this woman joining our family. I'm not close with her, like I am Panda. And that's what I imagined. My husband loving someone, that was a best friend, if not lover to me.

Maybe one day we'll get there.

And I am kinda irate to find that that family is already being investigated for bigamy. I HATE those types of laws. Who's busisness is it?

Happy. Healthy. Sane.
Butt the hell out. Sometimes, laws are just yuck. Who decided that needed to be a law?
 
Butt the hell out. Sometimes, laws are just yuck. Who decided that needed to be a law?

My honest opinion? Men who were afraid that, if the more charming, more intelligent, better looking men were allowed to have maore than one wife, then there wouldn't be any women left to 'settle' for their inferiority.

It allows bigoted, sexist, abusive, or just plain stupid and ugly men to have a chance at getting laid without having to change their undesirable traits..... I see legalized poligamy as more of a 'survival of the fittest' type breeding pool, that they just couldn't compete in..... but I am something of an elitist :)
 
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