Fun and Frolic With Long-Term Love

Quick update - WarMan told his kids and it didn't go as expected. Apparently they thought him dating someone was great news! He messaged me that they were happy and chill and cool with the poly stuff as well. They didn't have any questions yet, but he showed him photos of me, and everything went better than I thought they would. :) I told him to be sure to check in again tomorrow, as my youngest had more questions on the second day, than the first. Whoo hoo! Hopefully things stay good. I am sure talking to his extended family is not going to go as well, but WarMan's main concern has been his kids' reactions.

Yes! I'm so happy to hear this. This has to be a huge relief to both of you. :)
 
I don't think it's going to be a big announcement, though I don't honestly know what his plans are. I don't think he plans to only tell his kids though - he doesn't want them to feel like it's a secret that they have to keep from anyone. From what he texted me, he was very open about it with them. However he wants to handle things is fine with me though - DarkKnight wanted his family to know, PunkRock told everyone but his stepmother and then she found out through others. *shrugs* If he had decided to say nothing at all, that would have been ok too - I just did not want to meet his kids and try to pretend we weren't romantically involved. He didn't want to not tell them I was poly, because when they found out later they might be upset or think that it was something he was embarrassed or ashamed of about me.
 
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I am hearing that WarMan ... wants a woman he can see every freeking day. I can't help but wonder at his neediness.

He's in love, he wants to see her. I'd consider that pretty normal, not 'needy.' Some people want less time with their girlfriends/boyfriends, but many people want more than what he's getting as one of three. I don't see any reason to cast character aspersions on him over such a thing.

Honestly, I don't think many people would be willing to put up with such time limits and constraints on the relationship forever.
 
Ha! I would describe myself as needy and clingy, actually. I don't consider it necessarily to be a bad thing. In this instance, it makes life harder, because the more independent or into their hobbies my guys are, the less likely they are to have the schedule seem limited. WarMan and I are fighting NRE and neediness on both sides. It's only natural for both of us to want to be all up in each other's grill, constantly.
 
Ha! I would describe myself as needy and clingy, actually. I don't consider it necessarily to be a bad thing. In this instance, it makes life harder, because the more independent or into their hobbies my guys are, the less likely they are to have the schedule seem limited. WarMan and I are fighting NRE and neediness on both sides. It's only natural for both of us to want to be all up in each other's grill, constantly.

You're right. I was too harsh. I don't know, I am so used to delayed gratification and anticipation with lovers, I guess. Plus I was married so long, 30+ years, and homeschooled 3 kids, I kinda treasure my me-time now. Miss Pixi and I even take some vacations separately, now that we live together. It makes the reunions all the sweeter, and then we have new stories to share with each other. :eek:
 
You're right. I was too harsh. I don't know, I am so used to delayed gratification and anticipation with lovers, I guess. Plus I was married so long, 30+ years, and homeschooled 3 kids, I kinda treasure my me-time now. Miss Pixi and I even take some vacations separately, now that we live together. It makes the reunions all the sweeter, and then we have new stories to share with each other. :eek:


I completely understand this. Delay gratification is awesome but something I have only recently learned. 😍:rolleyes:

But all styles are ok too, I'm ok you're ok we're ok....:D
 
I am the most impatient person on the planet. There is no such thing as delayed gratification, only frustration! :)

Right now I am home alone. Seriously. WarMan is in New Mexico, PunkRock is at work until 10:15 tonight, and DarkKnight has his part in Cabaret. More than likely, it'll be around 11 pm before I have someone come kiss me. You have no idea how difficult this is for me! I have plenty of things I could be doing, but I am sitting in bed feeling stressed and actually a little bit dizzy. I don't do alone well. I know this is something that isn't good, but right now, that doesn't help to think about.

I started up a load of laundry so I have clothes to wear to D&D with DarkKnight tomorrow, and I watched the final two episodes of the Great Food Truck Race that were on Netflix. I put on pajamas, and now I am updating my journal. I could work on some Ancestry stuff - actually I WILL work on some of that because I am running out of time on it! I also need to throw together a budget through til the end of the year.

haha In the middle of writing this, a friend came online and tried to get me to go out tonight. Too bad I already am wearing pajamas. Sigh. I wouldn't have enjoyed myself anyway. I am a crazy extrovert - for real y'all - but when I am anxious, I can't recharge. I need skin contact with one of my loves. Sigh.

Oh! I started seriously looking at Cumberland last night/today as an option to move to. It seems to be going through a depression, so housing prices are great - median cost is $100,000 - and it's two hours from DC and Harrisburg, and an hour from where we are located now. The only thing I really know about it is that we drive through the Gap whenever we go camping in Deep Creek. If I get into the mood I am going to do some more research.
 
I guess I have some more time on my hands, so I can update a bit more about my life.

Everything is going well in the sex department. I definitely can't say I'm deprived at all. I am on my period right now, but I just call it "Blow Job Week" and it's still lots of fun. In fact, I got some extra awesome butt love from PunkRock last night! It had been like, forever, since we've had anal. We both have been talking about it a bunch, but the timing never matched up. But OMG it was worth the wait. He blew all in my butt too, which I always love. Anyway, I call him Awesomesauce for a reason! There seriously is no comparison when it comes to anal sex and how great it is with him.

I was able to spend pretty much all of today with DarkKnight, and started out the morning with some mutual masturbation. I've been missing him a lot lately, and it was weird to be hanging out on a Saturday with him, since for the past couple of months, that's been WarMan's date day. We spent some time together at the mall and I bought him some new running shoes. We shared a strawberry julius and a pretzel. It was nice. :)

WarMan called me tonight again and it was so great to hear his voice. It helped raise my spirits a bit. He told me he told his brother in law about me, but decided it was best to hold off on telling the rest of the family, since it was a large gathering. He figures he'll send a letter next week, so he can avoid ruining his visit and so they have time to absorb the news before talking to him. Sounds like a good idea to me. His BIL was chill, apparently.

The big stressful stuff that I am dealing with now involves my son. He's 26 and has some developmental disabilities, as well as depression and anxiety. He's on disability and has been for years due to all these issues. He works part time cleaning at a grocery store nearby. He does have a car, that we helped him buy earlier this year. However, the plan has been for a while now to help him transition to an apartment. The last time he lived independently he ended up homeless for a little while before we allowed him to move back home.

Right now I am just tired. I adopted him when he was 12 and though he has seen a lot of growth with his issues, some things refuse to die. He is a food hoarder and his hygiene is variable. His bedroom smells bad and I have to remind him to keep the windows open and wash his sheets. Honestly, I think he is looking forward to moving out too!

Up until last week, the plan was to get him on a waiting list for an assisted living house, where a social worker would visit him once a week to make sure he wasn't hoarding and he was doing ok. The organization we have been hooked in with said they could take over as rep payee on his checking account and we could transition him, probably by the summer. My son was on board with this, and everyone agreed that this would be great.

Only, we found out that he doesn't qualify for any of their services! They are paid under a very strict program and his disabilities don't fall under it. He has Pervasive Development Disorder - NOS, and that isn't the population who can get their assistance. He's fine for the job help he currently and has been receiving, but nothing else.

So we are back to square one. I have him hooked into another case management organization, but I am now afraid that we are going to be up against the same restrictions. Honestly, I am not worried about finding him a place to live, but the lack of oversight is intimidating. I don't think he would do well as living in someone's home, like a roommate. He needs to rent a studio or one bedroom apartment. Because his hoarding could become an issue (it was one of the reasons he was evicted previously when he was on his own) we could probably get someone in to clean once a week. He can't really afford it, but it would be cheaper than getting kicked out again. He has told me and his counselors that he believes he wouldn't be able to keep up with it, so at least he is up front about it. If it is a small apartment, maybe we can get someone from clean.com to come in and make sure the garbage is emptied and his crap doesn't pile up. Sigh.

The real problem though is the rep payee business. Everyone - including my son - agrees that he is not going to be able to manage his bills. I am tired of having to deal with it every month myself, honestly. However, if we move out of state, the federal government apparently wants someone local to handle it. There is no one though. The agency we were working with says normally the social security office will send letters and pitch a fit, and then eventually just let the accounts be handled by the disabled person. UGH. So, really, the best thing for my son then, is that I continue to live nearby and handle this.

I really, really don't want to though. And I really resent that I have to then not ever live anywhere else.

That said, WarMan has said that he'd prefer we not move more than 2 hours away from Harrisburg. And Maryland has remained on our states to consider list since the beginning. I just would rather make the choice to stay in Maryland because I want to, not because I have to, if that makes sense.

So, anyway, that's kind of where I am stuck. I am now looking at places in Maryland to consider moving to, and Cumberland was tonight. I have to say it seems to look ok on paper. It's an hour from where I am now, so hopefully I can find time in a week or so to pop over and check it out in person.
 
Ugh. Had a Messenger chat with my sister last night and it had me all out of sorts. She is just so terrible. Basically she gave me thinly guarded passive aggressive bullshit on a umber of topics.

First being, who is coming with me to her house for family Christmas. I guess I kind of avoided the topic of the fact she told my mom that PunkRock and WarMan weren't invited - she asked me who was coming, and I said myself and my kids. She asked if DarkKnight was coming - OH! Why not DarkKnight?!! - and I told her, he has never come and he has to work. And then I added that PunkRock has to work as well. She let that pass over with no comment.

Rather than recount entire conversations, I'll give you a list:

* Why wouldn't I move back to NY if my youngest goes to college/trade school up there? Family is everything, and only seeing my adult children 3 or so times a year means I don't love them.

* My son will never live independently. It didn't work last time and it won't work again, so why bother trying.

* Why haven't I ordered any Avon stuff from her?

* Again, her kids will all choose to live close to her, when they grow up. For them to do otherwise just makes no sense.

* Lots of questions about how is it legal to homeschool - how will my youngest graduate, will she need to pass a state test, how does she get a diploma, doesn't she need to take calculus?

This was all said very condescendingly, which I find hilarious, since she dropped out of school in the 10th grade, her 16 year old son has made no secret that he wishes to move far, far away from the disfunction in their household and I have told her numerous times that my daughters have sensitive skin and I can't order any lotions or perfumes from her.

Ugh. Anyway, talking to her is so frustrating and sad. Last night was shitty because of it.

I was also really missing WarMan. I am so very happy that he will be back from his trip tomorrow. I could feel myself being clingy to PunkRock, and then to DarkKnight and I know that isn't cool. But I was just feeling sad.
 
Oh! The last day or so has been so very hard. My day was ruined after dealing with my sister. It left me feeling very out of sorts, with missing WarMan so much already. My friends were tearing apart my idea of Cumberland as a location for my family too. Nothing was well.

PunkRock and I went through chapter 4 in More Than Two last night. I don't even know how many hours it took. It was really raw work for me. Interesting that I just did the same chapter with WarMan, oh, 15 days ago or so, but it was much more intimate and difficult with PunkRock. Maybe because he knows me so deeply? Because we've been together longer? I dunno. It was rough for me though. I was in tears and couldn't talk a few times. He was very open as well - this book is an emotional experience.

We discussed self-worth, validation, courage - our pasts and present. I believe the work I am doing with SuperBetter is going to help with all of these. Right now it is difficult for me to look in the mirror any more, with all the notes tucked in the frame. I force myself to read at least one, each time though. It is sad and I recognize my disfunction, because a message that says "You are beautiful" should not upset me. It is a struggle just to acknowledge the note, much less thank someone for it, and it seems impossible still to internalize and accept the message as truth. I look at the note, and feel shame, and anger, then sadness. My immediate reaction is to think that the writer is mocking me, to make me feel hurt.

I realize this is not the truth. I think I feel a little less like these are lies when I look at them. I know this has a long way to work. DarkKnight, sometimes I think, would rather I not do this. He doesn't like to see me hurt so much. I can acknowledge though that this MUST happen. When I think about any of my guys dating, or loving another woman, I am either excited for them, or I am terrified. I think the terrified feeling comes when my self worth is low. If I do not start believing compliments, and being able to internalize these good feelings that my guys are trying to send, I do not believe we will be successful with poly. I am going to sabatoge any external relationships they might start, because I will not be secure in my own self.

I did not feel like this was an issue with existing relationships that past partners have had. However, the love I have for my husbands is so deep and vast, and my self worth is sometimes so low - I am worried. Thankfully, we have time. I am determined to fix this about me. Even if my guys never date anyone else, I want them to have the option to do so, without the fear that it will send me into a funk.

Last night after the book discussion, I wanted snuggles from PunkRock, and that turned into sexy times. My head was not into it, and I actually didn't get wet at all. This just doesn't happen, and I felt even worse. Then, he was unable to get off either - in spite of an intense blow job attempt. It was frustrating for the both of us. I am bummed that I won't be with him again until Thursday night. Hopefully we will be back in sync sexually then. Honestly, I didn't feel emotionally disconnected or anything, but I think all the processing and garbage from the past few days was wearing on me.

So, anyway, onward and upward. Today I am feeling more positive and upbeat. WarMan will be home tonight and I am looking forward to grabbing him and not letting go.
 
Bluebird, it's good that you recognize the dysfunctional thoughts, even if right now you're not able to counter them. As cliche as it might sound, recognizing the errors in your perception and wanting to correct them is the first step to learning healthier ways of thinking, perceiving, and relating to yourself. (Coming from someone who has been where you are with self-image, self-perception, and fear...) A lot of people never even get as far as you've already gotten with working on your issues, so give yourself credit for that!
 
Yes, yesterday was the date that Marty and Doc went Back to the Future. So we are now all living in the past. :)

Thanks for explaining that - I was confused. (I am a BOOK sci-fi fan, not a MOVIE sci-fi fan...we have now determined my "Geek-Level")

We talked about nicknames too, which I consider sort of important - I call DarkKnight a specific thing, and PunkRock has always been a specific thing, and I would never call WarMan either of those names. WarMan was upset about this too, and told me that he reuses nicknames all the time. This wounded me - he always calls me his corazon, which is Spanish for "heart." I have always felt that was special, but apparently not. He told me it wasn't unique to me at all and that it's very common for guys to call their wives or girlfriends it. So yeah, that was kind of shitty.

Hmmm. Both of my boys call me "Sweetie" on occasion - I don't feel the need to reserve that for one or the other of them. Same with "hon". Dude's nickname is actually "Dude" and he has adopted it as his own, and I don't mind that others use it as well. MrS is sometimes my "lover-husband" and Dude my "lover-boy".

Dude reports that he occasionally felt that he was "outside" the loop because MrS and I shared "in-jokes" that he was not privy too (in our early days - now we all have our in-jokes and it is a lesser issue).

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That he still feels like it isn't enough, and that when compared to the beginning of my relationships with DarkKnight and PunkRock, there is no way he will ever be able to become as close and as important as they are to me - due to the lack of this time.

No, he can never "catch-up" in terms of "time spent" - you have been with the other boys longer - and that will never change. But he can catch up in levels of intimacy. For instance, it took MrS much longer to achieve certain levels of intimacy than it has with Dude...because with MrS it was my "first" for many things, I have had more practice now.

He said he understood, but that it wasn't enough to foster a strong relationship. That it was a problem because he was number 3.... as the third guy coming into my life, it just wasn't what he thinks we need. He doesn't feel like I treat him as he is in third place, but that the time constraints that are inherent because he is third, are causing him to feel like he can't connect.

Meh. This may be specific to him - HE may need a certain amount of time/period to feel connected, but that is not universal. Others on this board have commented that having a lesser amount of time together just seems to prolong the NRE/excitement phase.

Every time we get back together, he feels like it takes a while for us to be reconnected. We don't launch into sex right away - we need to discuss things and be together for a bit. Hearing this made me REALLY upset, because I'm sorry but I am expecting a lot more than just instant sex in our relationship. We're dating and I am not just a booty call. But he says that this is distressing to him and that he wishes we didn't need any reconnection time. I told him I didn't feel like I needed that time, myself, that I didn't feel disconnected because we hadn't seen each other in a day. Plus we text all the time we aren't together, and talk on the phone once in a while.

This might be a "love languages" issue. I have observed, in reading your posts, that you are a very sexual person but "physical affection" might be even more important to him that you (which is very true for me+Dude). So, for him, txting or phone calls may not fill the "touching you" bucket. You may be viewing/interpreting interactions through the "quality time" lens that don't register for him at all.

Never have I had a relationship with this much unhappiness and unrest in my partner...

To be utterly honest - in my early months with Dude I felt a lot of "unhappiness and unrest" in myself, that I had not experienced before (you know, in the one relationship that I had before, with MrS) and my only response is to give it more time, when my NRE wore off, and my sanity returned, I was happy again.

WarMan says now that unless he gets more time with me, he doesn't know if he'll be ready to say he is comfortable with moving in, because he won't have connected with me enough prior to that.

OK - he is being honest he "doesn't know" - that doesn't mean that he WON'T, just that our emotions are not necessarily predictable. To be perfectly honest, however, you could give him all the time in the world and he still might "not know" until it actually happens.

... at this point I just don't know how to make him feel good.

Short answer...you can't. You do not have the power the "make" anyone feel a certain way - ever. You do/say stuff and other people feel stuff. You are not responsible for their feelings, you are only responsible for your words/actions.

His unhappiness is not something I want to be responsible for creating, fostering or growing.

That is NOT your responsibility. You are responsible for being true to your authentic self and being kind. How other people respond is THEIR responsibility.
 
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So, I am not sure if I feel like writing today, but I noticed my photo album hadn't been updated in a while, so here are two pictures I just added:

October 2015 Selfie

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WarMan and me, on the Metro, on our trip to DC last month

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Don't worry - I have permission to post photos of him. I have this great picture of him wearing wolf ears in the museum gift shop, but he would kill me if I put that up anywhere. lmao

I think you have to be logged into the site to see my photos.

Anyway, things have been up and down lately. It is super great to have WarMan back from New Mexico and I am no longer missing him like crazy. Well, more than the normal. :) I grabbed him from the BWI airport on Tuesday night and stayed over at his place, then was with him all day Wednesday. We had sex 3 times and just generally couldn't stop being kissy faced. On Wednesday we spent several hours - and I mean SEVERAL - working on questions and discussing chapter 5 in More Than Two.

OMG when I first read this book a year ago, I thought that chapter 5 was the first real relevant chapter for me, and the most helpful and intense. Things have not changed. Stuff was really emotional for me to get through, and I felt like it was shining a HUGE light on everything that is wrong with me. WarMan didn't want to answer many of the questions in the beginning - he was squirmy and would skip ahead if I didn't pay attention. They were really intimate and raw, I think.

I especially had issues with talking about compassion - "looking for the most charitable interpretation of someone's deepest motives." Oh fuck. Seriously - this is something I am struggling with every day, when I look in the mirror and see all the notes that the guys have written to me. The very first thing I feel is anger, because clearly they are making fun of me. It takes a a second to stop and calm myself, to center and feel that - that they are only trying to help me, they truly believe these statements and that they love me. Giving them that positive motive is difficult sometimes, because it hurts so bad, depending on which note I happened to look at.

Really though, the most difficult issue that this chapter had waiting for me is regarding security. It's very clear as I read down through it that my issues with hearing and accepting compliments stem from a lack of feeling secure. Which may seem obvious to anyone reading my journal, but it is always such a surprise to me. It was a surprise to WarMan too, and he was really focused on trying to figure out what trauma or terrible event is my insecurity stemming from. He doesn't feel like it should be a minor thing.

"Intentionally and deliberately challenging, understanding, and choosing to move past insecurity is frightening, uncomfortable work." YEP.

I feel like I have always had anxious attachment issues. There has never been a time when I wasn't that way. Up until recently, I was content to just label myself as having this issue. It wasn't until I started dating M that I began looking at my difficulty with accepting compliments, and though I have made a lot of progress (I don't burst into tears and freak out), I still have a long way to go. It is clear though, that the compliment problem stems from something deeper - it is just a way that this insecurity with myself and others manifests.

WarMan thinks that I need to work on controlling my responses to compliments, but that maybe believing them and internalizing them as being true is beyond what is possible. That maybe I will never believe these positive things about me, but that will be okay. I don't know if I liked hearing that.

I have decided to do a 25-day challenge with a few of my friends, beginning November 1. I am going to start counting calories again, because I am hella overweight and working on internalizing positive comments is made harder when I feel grossly unattractive. I am also going to start giving myself a compliment before going to bed each night. I already write a sentence in my happiness journal every night, so after I do that, I am going to try the compliment thing. At first I was thinking that I would write it down, like a compliment journal, but the thought of doing that makes it feel like I can't breathe, and I don't want to cry for hours before going to bed. Actually, I am a little nervous about the compliment thing ruining the positive benefits I get from my happiness journal. We will see, I guess.
 
When I restarted the SuperBetter program, I wiped all of my old information to begin anew. Well, today was the wonderful day that it decided to instruct me to ask my allies:

* Why do you think I rock?
* What’s my unique brand of sparkliness?
* What do you admire about who I am and how I show up in the world?

I've written before the answers that I received, and so I figured I'd copy over what my 3 guys had to say today. Unfortunately, WarMan sent his over first, so he had the dubious honor of making me cry first this morning. I was better prepared and hardened for my husbands' responses, but it still was fairly terrible. Still, I appreciate them helping me out with this. I am going to post them unlabeled, in no particular order.

Why do you think I rock?

"I think you rock because you're all about making other people feel good about their lives. You have energy that you share with people like me. You make me more excited to be alive."

"You have the outgoing and fun personality that everybody loves. You brighten up any room you enter."

"You rock because you have a twisted sense of humor. And boobs."


What’s my unique brand of sparkliness?

"You wear your heart on your sleeve (and lots of bracelets!). No one has to wonder where they stand with you and you have a tendency to infect others with your joy."

"Your princess-ness. How people are willing to do things to help you out all the time. Like bringing you onion rings."

"I'm not sure what Sparkliness means, but if I had to guess, I'd say that it means what makes you appealing. Just ONE way is that you dress great! You know what style suits you, and you are great at putting it all together. Just one look at you is enough to know that you know how to wear clothes, makeup, etc. You know how to "girl" good."


What do you admire about who I am and how I show up in the world?

"I admire how you try to be optimistic most of the time when dealing with others."

"You work hard to lift people up and make them feel better about themselves. You're very good at it (you just need turn those powers on yourself once in a while!)"

"I admire how you're nobody's fool, you know how people and the world are, but you STILL love people, and you want to know as many of them as you can. You see a potential friend in everyone around you. I can't feel that myself, but I admire it in you very much."

I am so very lucky to have these men in my life. Though it hurt me a bit to read these at first, I am feeling much better now and they make me smile!
 
WARNING! Compliments ahead - reduced and made illegible for skipping over.(can be read by changing font size and color).

I am writing this really small, because it is a really small compliment and you should be able to skip it if you want. I read through your boys' comments AND...I think they are spot on based only on what I know of you on this site. And clearly, they would know you better than I!

I wonder if some of your fear of compliments stems from fear of an expectation that you will/will not live up to those compliments/expectations in the future. For myself - compliments don't bother me, per se. I either appreciate them or discount them (i.e. recognize that someone is trying to manipulate me) but don't get upset.

For me the "I love you"s are what sends me screaming into the night. For me that is placing a WHOLE lot of responsibility on me to be worthy of that love. (I recall a story that Dude tells - I was visibly agitated and MrS asked Dude if he had told me that he loved me. Dude replied that he had because he does. MrS's reply: "That's fine, but you don't need to TELL her.")
 
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WarMan...not liking the amount of time he was being given in our relationship. That he still feels like it isn't enough....

I told him that there really wasn't any other time left for me to give him. ....
He said he understood, but that it wasn't enough to foster a strong relationship. That it was a problem because he was number 3..... He doesn't feel like I treat him as he is in third place, but that the time constraints that are inherent because he is third, are causing him to feel like he can't connect.
.... Hearing this made me REALLY upset,

After a while he apologized and said he didn't want a solution, he just wanted an acknowledgement that he had a legitimate complaint

....I laid there for a long time, wondering why he was so determined to fight with me right before leaving for a week. It was very disconcerting and hurtful. Never have I had a relationship with this much unhappiness and unrest in my partner, and I am not sure there is a solution on my end.....

I am so very happy to have him in my life. I have bent over backwards to include him and love him as a primary, but he isn't happy, and at this point I just don't know how to make him feel good.

.... His unhappiness is not something I want to be responsible for creating, fostering or growing.

All of this baffles me. Why would you think that getting a third of your time is enough to build a relationship? Yes, it's great for you because you're always with someone. Where is he the 2/3 of his life you're with someone else?

I hear contradictions here, as I did in my own poly relationship. XBF told me I could tell him anything...and then got mad if I told him anything he didn't want to hear. If you want communication and honesty, you need to be willing to hear that this is painful to him, regardless of how it feels to you. Instead, you're angry with him for telling you the truth of how it feels to be #3.

You talk about how you're upset because he told you how he feels...and then you say you don't want to be responsible for his happiness. News flash, we all affect each other's happiness, and that's why there are manners, social norms, ideas like 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.' It's a recognition that we do affect each other. Thus, we don't act in ways that are highly likely to hurt others.

To me, a relationship is ALL ABOUT caring for and fostering another's growth and happiness. Otherwise, what's the point of a relationship? Regular sex?
 
Um, honestly, you sound really upset WhatHappened. I'm sorry things didn't work out for you, the way you wanted with your ex.

To me, a relationship is ALL ABOUT caring for and fostering another's growth and happiness. Otherwise, what's the point of a relationship? Regular sex?

I said I don't want to be responsible for causing unhappiness. Bringing joy to someone and making them happy - I totally am into that. Discontent and shitty feelings - no.

I was mostly frustrated with WarMan because it was ass o'clock in the morning and we were talking in circles about an issue I couldn't come up with a solution for.

However, you asked why would I feel the time I've given him is/was enough to build a relationship with? Well, how about the fact that people do that exact thing, all the time. Everyone has their own amount that they feel is workable. For some people - they see a partner every day. Others, maybe once a week. For me, that number has always been 2 dates a week with at least one sleepover. WarMan is getting more than that now, and initially he told me less than that would be fine. So I have been adjusting the schedule around to try and get him to a place that he feels is adequate. It may end up that I can't give him the amount he needs to feel secure, and if that happens, we will either have to downgrade or separate. Neither of us want that, so we will see.

We don't act in ways that are likely to hurt others

I agree with this. Obviously you feel that the time I am giving to WarMan is hurtful. However, I am not dating you. I will continue to let him make that judgement call. He's a 40 year old man. I give him some credit to be able to advocate for himself, and he's agreed to not start conversations about issues during our sexual afterglow, after midnight.

Jane - Thank you for the insight. Compliments really only bother me lots if they are focused on my appearance. Ones like these aren't too terrible, but I was out of sorts this morning for other reasons, so it was trickier for me to process. Honestly, I don't think my issue stems from a spot of having to live up to expectations, though some of my stress does come from having so much responsibility in making huge life-altering decisions for these guys. They put so much trust in me to steer our household and it is a little daunting sometimes. But they can compliment me on that, most of the time. :)
 
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