Fun and Frolic With Long-Term Love

WH - to be perfectly honest this post seems harsh and aggressive to me.

All of this baffles me. Why would you think that getting a third of your time is enough to build a relationship? Yes, it's great for you because you're always with someone. Where is he the 2/3 of his life you're with someone else?

Doing "normal-people-living-their-lives" shit, maybe?!? I mean I spend 8-12 hours a day x 5-7 days a week at work and another 5-10 hours a day sleeping (depending on how much time I was working). How many hours a weeks do you think is needed to maintain a relationship? Bluebird manages much more for each of her guys than I ever managed when I only had one. (To be fair, I also need a LOT more "alone" time than she does.)

... News flash, we all affect each other's happiness, and that's why there are manners, social norms, ideas like 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.' It's a recognition that we do affect each other. Thus, we don't act in ways that are highly likely to hurt others.

To me, a relationship is ALL ABOUT caring for and fostering another's growth and happiness. Otherwise, what's the point of a relationship? Regular sex?

News Flash - you can't control anyone else's feelings/perceptions/happiness! Those are internal interpretations of events. Yes, we can "affect" others BUT only through their own filters/perspectives/interpretations. There is a GIANT divide between "affect" and "control". Someone could do everything "right" and their partner could still be unhappy!

To me, a relationship is ALL ABOUT a mutually satisfying arrangement - in whatever form that takes. As adults we have the option of only participating in relationships that are positive for us and the people we are interacting with.
 
Hey folks, just wanted to pop in and comment on a few items I noticed that might have been misconstrued.
All of this baffles me. Why would you think that getting a third of your time is enough to build a relationship? Yes, it's great for you because you're always with someone. Where is he the 2/3 of his life you're with someone else?

What my actual concern was is that 1/3rd of her time might not be enough time to establish the kind of relationship we both want in the time we have left before some serious decisions will need to be made. Fuck, I want more time with Bluebird more than I want almost anything. BUT, she's always been extremely clear with me on what she had to offer. Initially, I said that I could be happy with very little time. That was during the period when we were talking about a possible FWB situation. When she offered a deeper relationship, I eagerly accepted, and decided said that for that, I'd need more time, which she also agreed to. As the situation became more clear, and our commitment to each other and a future together became more desirable on both our parts, I've begun to feel a bit of a pinch concerning the future and our available time etc. That is what I was trying (Poorly, and at 2 AM) to express. Additionally, I CAN'T be with Bluebird all of the time. A big part of why I was excited to try Poly, was that I have other time commitments (Monkey for example). While I would like More of her time, and yes, sometimes I'm lonely, and almost always I wish I was with Bluebird, I knew what I was getting into.

What I'm trying to say is that BLUEBIRD, isn't hurting me at all! The SITUATION hurts sometimes. Bluebird and I are both responsible for the situation, and fuck, sometimes ANY kind of relationship hurts. Mono, poly, whatever. All good things have growing pains attached.

I hear contradictions here, as I did in my own poly relationship. XBF told me I could tell him anything...and then got mad if I told him anything he didn't want to hear. If you want communication and honesty, you need to be willing to hear that this is painful to him, regardless of how it feels to you. Instead, you're angry with him for telling you the truth of how it feels to be #3.

You talk about how you're upset because he told you how he feels...and then you say you don't want to be responsible for his happiness.

To be fair, Bluebird wasn't angry that I was expressing myself. She was unhappy with the WAY I was doing it, the timing of it, and the fact that she thought I was asking her to fix it, and her perception that I wasn't listening to her responses.

To me, a relationship is ALL ABOUT caring for and fostering another's growth and happiness.

I can't think of a better way to describe my relationship with Bluebird thus far. Sometimes growth hurts, and while I don't enjoy it, I don't think she's to blame in any way for the growing pains themselves.

Bluebird said:
WarMan was upset about this too, and told me that he reuses nicknames all the time. This wounded me - he always calls me his corazón, which is Spanish for "heart." I have always felt that was special, but apparently not. He told me it wasn't unique to me at all and that it's very common for guys to call their wives or girlfriends it. So yeah, that was kind of shitty.

I don't reuse my nicknames honey. I was saying that Corazón is something that a Spanish speaker might call his Sweetheart, i.e. that I hadn't invented it, it's a common affectionate name but I've never called another girl Corazón like I do you.

This might be a "love languages" issue. I have observed, in reading your posts, that you are a very sexual person but "physical affection" might be even more important to him that you (which is very true for me+Dude). So, for him, txting or phone calls may not fill the "touching you" bucket.

BINGO. I think this is especially true. Txting and calls help, so does game night, ect. But I need touch. Sex is part of that, but I need touch outside of sex to be happy, no matter how much sex I'm having.

Bluebird said:
WarMan thinks that I need to work on controlling my responses to compliments, but that maybe believing them and internalizing them as being true is beyond what is possible. That maybe I will never believe these positive things about me, but that will be okay. I don't know if I liked hearing that.

And well you should not have. What I said was that you needed to break it down into two steps. The first is believing that the compliment is honestly meant by the giver. The second step is accepting it as true for yourself. The example that I gave is that when you and Monkey tell me I'm handsome, I don't really believe that I'm a handsome man, BUT I do believe that YOU and Monkey think I'm handsome. For YOU it is true, and when you say it you mean it. I've reached step one. Step two is still something I'm working on. All I was suggesting is that taking BOTH Steps at once might be a bigger challenge than you need to take on. Baby steps...
 
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Whew! I'm really glad so many misconceptions have been cleared up. Seriously.

FWIW, I think you guys (WarMan and Bluebird) are doing great. You are both getting to know each other and moving forward in your still-new relationship with compassion and caring. And all of you have demonstrated a willingness to be flexible and to think about everyone, not just yourselves. Others may project their own baggage and broken hearts onto what they read here, but you are living it and making it work.
 
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All of this baffles me. Why would you think that getting a third of your time is enough to build a relationship? Yes, it's great for you because you're always with someone. Where is he the 2/3 of his life you're with someone else?

... What's the point of a relationship? Regular sex?

This seems like a very mono viewpoint. Most of us here are poly, and do not give our partners 24/7 of our free time.

Gosh, I am currently in several new relationships. My gf is seeing one other person. I don't see my new partners all that often, and miss pixi mostly sees her bf for 2 overnights a month. We both do spend a good chunk of each day texting with our others though.

We are fine with it! We aren't co-dependent, although we are extremely close. We spend most days together, since she works from home and I work part time. We sleep together 95% of the time. I have lately been dating others a couple days a week, for like 3 hours at a time, more or less. Have had a few overnights with Artist at her place or mine.

When I am busy with others, miss p can talk to her bf, or do projects, or watch TV or work or play around on her computer. She also takes the train to Boston once or twice a week for medical appointments, and sometimes I see others then. Also, she is a night owl and I am an early bird, so sometimes I see an OSO while she is still snoozing the morning away.

She also spent time away this summer at camp and a music fest. We were apart for a good 4 weeks total while she spent time on her volunteer work and with her Phish Head friends.

It all works out. You just need to be creative, flexible, lacking in envy and jealousy, and have a life outside your partner, maybe have a demanding job, or kids, or hobbies/activities, and some platonic friends to spend time with (who may share interests with you that your "primary" doesn't).

Bluebird likes to spend lots of time with her guys, probably wants more closeness than I even need with miss pixi... although we are very bonded and cuddly when we are together, focused on each other, loving, talking, sexing. I'd say she is doing the best she can, and WarMan is adjusting.

I have heard, in new relationships, you spend the first year forming, the second year storming, the third year norming. I think poly can force the "storm" bit into the NRE phase, out of necessity.
 
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Even when Hubby and I were monogamous--and cohabitating!-- we didn't give each other 100% of our time, because that just plain isn't how Hubby operates. In fact, that was a huge conflict in our marriage (he was content to have us give each other very little time, confining it to sexual encounters and hugs in passing as he left for or came home from work), and was one of the reasons he was happy when I fell in love with someone else, because he couldn't figure out how to reconcile my need for time and attention with his need to not deal with other human beings for more than short stretches of time.

Guy and I built a relationship that in large part involved not being able to spend any time together at all; we kept in touch via phone calls and texts, but it was still a pretty good relationship until he let jealousy and dick-headedness interfere. S2 and I built a relationship that, until the last couple months of it, was probably the best, happiest, healthiest relationship I've ever been in (despite some of the things I bitched about in my blog), and that was done only seeing each other once or twice a week and texting occasionally between times, because he's like Hubby as far as his need for solitude vs. need for connection.

Even in a monogamous relationship, the participants aren't necessarily giving each other ALL their time, because everyone has a life, in theory... In a poly situation, yeah, it can be even more difficult to balance time among one's partners, but I've said and still say that as much as *quantity* of time can contribute, *quality* is far more important.

From both Bluebird's and WarMan's blogs, it sounds like Bluebird goes above and beyond to ensure the *quality* of her time with each of her guys, even if the *quantity* is less than they might like. And she even went to the effort of establishing a schedule to try to address the quantity issue. Sounds to me like she's doing everything right.
 
Thanks everyone!

In other news, my vagina is broken. Holy crap. According to the internet medical community, it is experiencing temporary discomfort from overuse. This temporary discomfort means OUCHIES in places that should not have OUCHIES. Gah! No sex for me at all yesterday, or today, and probably not tomorrow either.

Apparently the dryness I had with PunkRock a few days ago, added to the vigorous and enthusiastic reunion I had with WarMan after he returned home has resulted in this hurty. Cold washcloths against my junk are helping, and I let it air dry. Of course, I have never felt hornier, and I am, for once in my life, not really feeling discriminating - I am ready to fuck any one of my guys, like, right now. Sigh.
 
Sorry! I have been in your shoes there, girl. Or in your panties? No, that's not where I've been.

Ahhh, you know what I mean.
 
Calendula cream helps too. Weleda make a good one. You could probably buy it online these days.

And as a preventative, a natural oil like grapeseed or coconut.

Hope you're all better soon.
 
You wouldn't put witch hazel or calendula inside the vagina though, right ladies? It's for the outside, the vulva, not inside the vag. The vagina is self cleaning and should be left alone.

Of course, you can't use coconut or other oils for lube, healing or yeast inhibitor, if you're using condoms.

I'd say have sex a little less, or less vigorously, or with less penetration, and use lube at the slightest indication it could come in handy. Most of us women have probably had this problem at some point, getting carried away. Men too.

Yeah, it's possible to have too much fun. And people with high libidos sometimes need to be uncomfortable and sit with the frustration, when a partner isn't available, or the old body gives out. Ugh.
 
I appreciate all the suggestions! I've never had to use anything, so this is new to me! Would you even put coconut oil into a vagina? I don't use condoms wth any of my guys - just my diaphragm, but that I can only use water-based lube with. Honestly, I have only ever needed lube for toys going into my butt.

Now that things are a little less ouchie, it feels like it's my inner labia that are the main culprit here. It doesn't hurt all the way inside or all the way outside, just at the gate, but that means it is all shut down. All 3 of my guys offered oral assistance yesterday - I thought that was pretty funny. Things aren't funny though - I am just as horny as ever and I want a penis inside me! That's still on hold. I hope things start feeling better soon. I mean, it is, but I want it al the way better!

Today WarMan and I are heading to Cumberland, MD for a day trip to check out the city, since it is still a potential settling place for us. I am excited to check it out.
 
I appreciate all the suggestions! I've never had to use anything, so this is new to me! Would you even put coconut oil into a vagina? I don't use condoms wth any of my guys - just my diaphragm, but that I can only use water-based lube with.

Yes, you can use coconut oil in the vagina. But not when latex is involved.
Now that things are a little less ouchie, it feels like it's my inner labia that are the main culprit here. It doesn't hurt all the way inside or all the way outside, just at the gate, but that means it is all shut down.

When I homebirthed, my midwives had me make calendula "tea" and soak a few menstruals pad in it, and then freeze the pads, and then use them. It felt so good, and healed any little tears or abrasions I had from the births. So if you really want to heal as fast as possible, I'd look into that.

My most recent pain (from sex overload) was inside the vag at the gspot, so it just healed on its own after a couple days of leaving it alone.
 
Thanks for all the tips! My rawness is all gone, but yesterday I started feeling itchy and I went ahead and took my last Diflucan. Sure enough, this morning I really felt like I was now getting a yeast infection - but I am not 100% sure, as I was itchy around the outside, and I hadn't shaved my vag all weekend because I didn't want to irritate anything. The itchy *could* be from the hair growing in. I have been using the coconut oil. I can say after showering today, shaving, drying thoroughly and then slapping on a coat of the coconut oil, I feel just fine. Guess we will see how the day goes. I am hoping this will be all done soon, but if I am still itchy this evening I am going to grab a Monistat kit. I seem to get everything knocked out when I combine the Diflucan with the Monistat.

So, the Cumberland visit was very positive. WarMan and I explored the Canal area, and the downtown pedestrian mall on foot, talking to business owners and people about the city and where they personally would live - or neighborhoods they would avoid. Everyone was really friendly and helpful. WarMan said well, they have a vested interest on encouraging good people to move to their city - which I do agree with, but I also don't buy 100% into. I feel like people were being honest.

Anyway, we drove around recommended neighborhoods and then checked out some properties in the sketchy parts of town too. I am looking forward to going back in a couple of weeks with my other guys, to get their impressions as well. We only had time to really visit the west side and east side of the city, so there are other neighborhoods to explore. I really enjoyed being with WarMan, and felt connected to him even more. Talking about a possible shared future is scary and exhilarating, all at once.

I do believe this city may work for us. Further visits are definitely warranted, anyway. :)
 
So tired today. PunkRock has the day off and I wish I could go downstairs, crawl into his bed and fall back asleep, but instead I am about to get up and take a shower, before prepping for my two Biology classes. I have the kids dissecting rats in lab today, and it's my least favorite one. I don't enjoy cutting on things with faces. :( However, it is an important part of Biology, so I will soldier on.

Tonight is book club for me, but I think I am not going to go. I forgot to read the book and I am on day 3 of a 25 day health challenge, and the restaurant my friends are meeting at will cause me to probably make poor choices, calorie-wise.

This weekend is WarMan's birthday, and he and I are going to take a trip up to Scranton, to visit the coal mine museum there. So many of my ancestors worked there in the past! I have to find time before our trip to refresh in my mind all of the info I've discovered about them. Lately I have been concentrating on other sections of the family.
 
Cumberland? As in Cumberland, MD? Didn't you say you didn't want a cold weather location? And even though it's only an hour or so from you it's up further in the mountains meaning more snow, and that highway and old streets up there scare me in that weather. It's a beautiful old town and quiet but for me it would just never work.
 
Yes, Cumberland, MD. It actually isn't that much colder - the surrounding communities seem to get much more snow. We are going to do some visits during the winter season to see if I can handle it. :)
 
Stumbled upon this site elsewhere today, and thought of you:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

Basically, if it has enough information, it'll compare the cost of living between any two cities.

Good luck!
 
So today is apparently the day I have decided to spend procrastinating on everything. Not really, but my list is a mile long. WarMan messaged me and he asked what I had to get done, and here is what I sent to him:

Sigh. I need to shower. I need to go locate my laptop and cord, which are both downstairs in different rooms. (I am upstairs in my bed.) I need to order groceries. I need to go to the social security office. I need to go to Sam's Club. I need to get my developer from Sally Beauty Supply. I need to figure out a list for my son, of stuff the case management company can help us with doing. I need to remind him to cut his hair and talk to his manager today. I need to wash my bathroom floor. I need to make a dinner list for the week. I need to go back to the bank and transfer money. I need to check on my daughter's plane tickets and see if her flights have changed. I need to talk to my friend, to see about having my daughter visit her in December. I need to get my genealogy stuff straight for Friday. I need to wrap your birthday presents.

I need to copy over PunkRock's schedule and work out the next couple of weeks' date nights. I need to figure out a budget from now until the end of the year. I need to send a message about family photos. I need to figure out what clothing and poses I want to do for those photos and make up a list so my oldest daughter can bring matching stuff when she comes down. I need to talk to DarkKnight about Thanksgiving and who will definitely be here. I need to make a Thanksgiving dinner list and shop for it.

Then I remembered that I also need to get my nephew's birthday gift put together and mailed out, and I need to clean out the fridge prior to getting groceries.

Yeah, just getting everything onto a list is bullshit.

WarMan and I have a sleepover tonight, but I am not sure about what is happening this evening. It's supposed to be a trivia night with my friends, but since most of them went to book club last night, they may cancel tonight. So that would give me time to do all the shopping. Oh crap - just remembered my D&D character leveled up and I need to get that sorted for Sunday.

It's a busy week - Thursday afternoon I have the appointment with my son with the case management company, and on Friday and Saturday I will be in Scranton with WarMan to visit the coal mining museum and do a tour of the mine where my ancestors worked. D&D on Sunday, and then Monday and Tuesday I am in Philly with DarkKnight - my daughter comes home from Nepal on Tuesday! I had to shift my Biology class to Wednesday to accommodate that, and we are having a Phylum Round Up that day, meaning 4 back to back dissections, in each class. I have yet to create the lab sheets for that too.

Someone shake me. I need to seriously lay out my list and get everything scheduled, to at least plan when things need to be done.
 
Oh geez. Remember my last entry - the one where I listed all the stuff I needed to do - the one that detailed how insane my life had gotten lately? Of course I couldn't be satisfied with all of that!

My trivia night got canceled, and I started messaging one of my friends, and she ended up giving me 4 kittens that afternoon. Yes, FOUR. No mother, 4 weeks old. My house is now a foster home for our county animal shelter.

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Rather, my bedroom has been commandeered and overrun by four adorable babies. It seriously smells like iams wet kitten food, and though I don't particularly like that part of things, I do love this:

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PunkRock holding Ray until the little guy falls asleep

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Winnie, attacking the crap out of a dangerous snake

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DarkKnight, snuggling with Venkman

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Egon, actually standing in the food dish, with Venkman encouraging him

The kittens were surrendered as strays to the shelter on Halloween, so we named them after the Ghostbusters. :) Winnie is the only girl, and she and Venkman are polydactyl.

So, yeah, my life has an added stress now, and it's my own damn fault. However, my life also has an extra stress reliever, and that's awesome.
 
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