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vinsanity0 said:
Lawsuits are silly. They won't go anywhere. If that was reasonable we could all sue our own governments.
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We all know that it will go nowhere, but it will hopefully be a wake-up call to the Chinese dictatorship that they are accountable to the rest of the world. For god's sakes, they sit on the UN security council.

Best way we could send a clear message is boycott their goods. Although that will hurt the Chinese people, it might wake the masses up, so they start protesting against their self-imposed leaders.
 
For all the anti-China and pro-"Made in America" (or Canada) sentiment that there is, people and corporations still vote with their wallets.

Cost of moving the supply chain for tablet and cell phone parts would be exorbitant if we were to move out of China, although some places are moving to Viet Nam, etc. It's a slow process, and these companies (if public) are beholden to their shareholders, so at some point, the price will be a no-go.

That, and nobody's going to stop buying cheap goods. Especially now. Especially if you buy anything from Amazon and can't accurately vet what you're buying.

Boycotting anything from China doesn't seem to work on a large scale, because many people aren't privileged enough to be able to spend the extra money to do so. Maybe in time?

I wouldn't count on a kick in the pants doing much. They've been kicked before.
 
I'm pretty sure I'm buying more from China these days since I'm ordering online instead of going to my local stores...
 
YouAreHere said:
For all the anti-China and pro-"Made in America" (or Canada) sentiment that there is, people and corporations still vote with their wallets.

Cost of moving the supply chain for tablet and cell phone parts would be exorbitant if we were to move out of China, although some places are moving to Viet Nam, etc. It's a slow process, and these companies (if public) are beholden to their shareholders, so at some point, the price will be a no-go.

That, and nobody's going to stop buying cheap goods. Especially now. Especially if you buy anything from Amazon and can't accurately vet what you're buying.

Boycotting anything from China doesn't seem to work on a large scale, because many people aren't privileged enough to be able to spend the extra money to do so. Maybe in time?

I wouldn't count on a kick in the pants doing much. They've been kicked before.
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I would agree that most of us buy based on price, but I sense there will be more & more people considering the ethics when making purchases.
 
apexcone said:
I would agree that most of us buy based on price, but I sense there will be more & more people considering the ethics when making purchases.
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People only seem to have memories within their own generation. Many people today only know Tiananmen Square from what their teachers and parents have told them. Kids take selfies in front of the 9/11 memorial because they don't have the memory of the event and have no emotional response to it because it happened before they were born. I don't know if people will be able to consider ethics now in the moment (when they're worried about rent/mortgage payments), and I don't know if they'll remember it as important after the fact, or if we'll just grab back at whatever our "normal" was.

I would love for the majority of people to consider the ethics of what they're buying, and hope you prove my cynicism wrong.
 
Ethics plays no part in it. Boycotting China would put most American companies out of business. Why do you think Trump is heaping so much praise on China?

On a brighter note, Jerod Kushner is on it. We're all safe now :rolleyes:
 
That’s the problem with globalization. You end up in bed with rogue nations. Then you're trapped. 😱
 
As far as I'm aware, this is the first major global catastrophe that has happened since the Second World War. As most of us know, the current social welfare system was introduced in most western societies in the late 1940s, a few years after the war had finished, in order that the state could protect, care for and support the people (the nanny state).

I know some folks here will think my comments are harsh and lack compassion. But it's not my intention to sound like I have no compassion for those who are financially suffering, I'm just questioning whether by bailing people out because they've overspent on their credit card or have no savings is interfering with natural selection.

Why is the Canadian government responsible because millions of Canadian have no savings and have out of control spending habits? Don't we learn from suffering? Those of us who have had teenagers know that bailing them out when they're in the shit, robs them of the opportunity to grow. How is that love or genuine compassion? It is not. Not even close. There are always going to be people who are genuine and in need through no fault of their own (and we should consider helping them), but how does bailing millions of people out because they've made consistently bad choices help them? All it does is create a nanny state, victims and an entitlement culture.

The government and the taxpayers aren't responsible for people's bad choices.

Speaking in the third person:

"I'm sorry you're suffering because of your poor choices. Would you like me to sit down with you, ask you a few questions and help you understand that most of your issues are self imposed? Please help me understand why the government should bail you out."

THAT IS NOT LOVE.
 
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In the "silver linings" department, today is nice enough for me to have set up the deck furniture and work outside. Hearing the neighborhood kids playing outside and getting some fresh air is a much nicer vibe for work than being at the actual office. Now, if I only had a beer... :)
 
YouAreHere said:
In the "silver linings" department, today is nice enough for me to have set up the deck furniture and work outside. Hearing the neighborhood kids playing outside and getting some fresh air is a much nicer vibe for work than being at the actual office. Now, if I only had a beer... :)
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NO BEER :confused::eek:
 
YouAreHere said:
In the "silver linings" department, today is nice enough for me to have set up the deck furniture and work outside. Hearing the neighborhood kids playing outside and getting some fresh air is a much nicer vibe for work than being at the actual office. Now, if I only had a beer... :)
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A beer before noon. lol
 
At last some common sense regarding this fear-based global shut down. I'm pleased to see that the Trump admin has a plan to get people back to work. It's tragic that people die. My heart goes out to the loved ones. But people die. 125,000 abortions a DAY. Last year, 600,00 people died of the flu. Did the world get shut down? NO. What we have here is a TOTAL overreaction by fear-based politicians leading a nanny state, being advised in most cases by ill-informed doctors in bed with pharmaceutical companies.

Please listen to anything you can by Dr shiva Ayyadurai, particularly his take on Dr Fauci.
 
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apexcone said:
At last some common sense regarding this fear-based global shut down. I'm pleased to see that the Trump admin has a plan to get people back to work. It's tragic that people die. My heart goes out to the loved ones. But people die. 125,000 abortions a DAY. Last year, 600,00 people died of the flu. Did the world get shut down? NO. What we have here is a TOTAL overreaction by fear-based politicians leading a nanny state, being advised in most cases by ill-informed doctors in bed with pharmaceutical companies.

Please listen to anything you can by Dr shiva Ayyadurai, particularly his take on Dr Fauci.
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The flu doesn't run rampant through nursing homes and assisted living facilities, killing dozens of patients and workers in one facility (as has happened with COVID-19 in numerous facilities here in the US and other countries, including one a few miles away from my home.) Those 600,000 deaths from the flu happen over the course of the whole flu season, without social distancing and stay at home orders. The bulk of COVID deaths have happened despite such measures, and mostly over a 2 month period.
 
Most of those who have sadly died had existing health issues, including a compromised immune system. The basic engineering of our planet works on the survival of the fittest. People are dying for a reason. The elderly die, so do the sick, and those who have chosen to live a lifestyle that compromises their immune systems.

Sorry, people die.
 
apexcone said:
Most of those who have sadly died had existing health issues, including compromised immune systems. The basic engineering of our planet works on the survival of the fittest. People are dying for a reason. The elderly die, so do the sick, and those who have chosen to live a lifestyle that compromises their immune systems.

Sorry, people die.
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Many people without underlying health conditions, including children, have died. Young, healthy medical personnel have died because their viral loads were so high from caring for the sick. Pregnant women with no underlying health conditions other than pregnancy, have died. People died who likely would have survived had the hospitals in the area not been so over-burdened with the sick.

The number you've quoted die during a very bad flu season (which spans many months). Over twice that have died in about a 2 month period, despite drastic measures, and we haven't even hit the peak in many areas.
 
Apex seems to be one of those older people who gets all their "news" from Fox. sigh...
 
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