my gf is with a new person

iamv

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Me and my gf share a mutual friend. I met him online abt 4 years ago and we just clicked well. I introduced them to each other not that long ago and they both started to like each other. The conversation of being a polycule came up and he wasn’t opposed to it. I am. He’s 7 hours away. I can’t do distance like that. My gf can, and so they are in some sort of thing right now together.

It’s hard, because I know him personally, and he was always the person I went to abt things like this, and I can’t now because it’s different now that he’s technically almost dating my gf too.

So idk how I should feel at all. I've always wanted to try a polycule, but I know I can’t because I'm a person who needs physical touch and quality time in a relationship, and I can’t have much of those with someone who’s 7 hours away. I don’t want to break up w my gf, but I also don’t want to stay in this, because the idea of my friend knowing what my gf looks like naked messes w my head so much.
 
"because the idea of my friend knowing what my gf looks like naked messes w my head so much."

Why?

No, seriously, why?

Dig deep.

Why does this bother you so much?

Hint: patriarchal values. You have taken ownership of your gf rather than actually affording her the autonomy of the 21st century, let alone the autonomy of polyamory. So, are you going to deconstruct your upbringing? Or are you going to continue to struggle with polyamory as each individual being the determiner of their own sexuality without judgement?

FYI, it's definitely possible to overcome preexisting biases.

Tldr: you can find peace with this.

Also, you don't both need to date the same person to form a polycule. She can date him and you can date someone else closer.
 
You posted this other thread less than two months ago, where the conclusion was no, not poly at this time.


So she didn't agree after all? She's going ahead starting something with this friend and you're forced to take it or leave it. That's not kind.

It's possible for a lot of people to do the deconstruction Evie is proposing... If you have a strong motivation to do so. You don't sound like that. You sound like you'd rather just be monogamous. Is that so?

Your gf is rushing you ahead, not respecting your wishes on the topic. At the same time she's respecting who she is and how she wants to live relationships. Will you respect how you want to live relationships, let her do her thing and seek a monogamous partner for yourself?
 
You posted this other thread less than two months ago, where the conclusion was no poly at this time.

Oh, good call, Tinwen, remembering the previous thread!
So she didn't agree, after all? She's going ahead starting something with this friend and you're forced to take it or leave it? That's not kind.

It's possible for a lot of people to do the deconstruction Evie is proposing, if you have a strong motivation to do so. You don't sound like that. You sound like you'd rather just be monogamous. Is that so?

Your gf is rushing you ahead, not respecting your wishes on the topic. At the same time, she's respecting who she is and how she wants to live relationships. Will you respect how you want to live relationships, let her do her thing and seek a monogamous partner for yourself?
Yeah.

Yikes.

Now gf is long-distance dating a friend of yours, iamv. You've lost your confidante. Maybe he was your go-to for talks about relationships, and now gf has "stolen" him, so to speak. Some poly people have a list of "messy people" to date, and these lists can include best friends. Having our partner date a good friend can cause an end to the friendship, unless handled very carefully.

Another point, from reading your thread from February, is that you and gf were talking about moving in together, getting married, and starting IVF procedures. Have you ever wondered, now that she's dating a man, whether she might choose to get pregnant by him, using the usual technique of intercourse, sperm meets egg, rather than going through the trouble and expense of IVF with you?

Personally, this whole thing would be a dealbreaker for me. First, as per the other thread, she didn't tell you about her so-called polysexual desires until you'd been dating 6 months. Then you had a few talks and she agreed to be mono with you until y'all carried out your living together/marriage/have a kid or two plans. That's like a 5-year plan, at least! You two "couldn't imagine your futures without each other." Yet here she is, happily going ahead with a new relationship, which sounds emotional as well as sexual!

She is not a person of her word. She is not the one to plan to have a family and a future with, imo.

My gf and I share a mutual friend. I met him online abt 4 years ago and we just clicked well. I introduced them to each other not that long ago. They both started to like each other. The conversation of being a polycule came up.

By "polycule," do you mean a triad? You and gf both date this guy? Are you bi, as well?

He wasn’t opposed to it. I am.

So, you obviously didn't bring up this "polycule," triad or V idea. Your gf did? Did she suggest to you that you actually "date" this male friend of yours (i.e., make it sexual, include cybersex in a long-distance relationship), and she would too?

He’s 7 hours away. I can’t do distance like that. My gf can, and so they are in some sort of thing right now together.

What sort of thing? Flirting? Cybersex? I am guessing so, if he's seen her naked. Is she not aware she agreed, promised you, committed to you, to put the open relationship idea on the backburner at least until after you and she had a couple kids? Wtf?

It’s hard because... he was always the person I went to abt things like this. I can’t now that he’s technically almost dating my gf too. Idk how I should feel at all.

There are no "shoulds" with feelings. You feel what you feel. You do have control over your own choices though!

I've always wanted to try a polycule, but I know I can’t, because I'm a person who needs physical touch and quality time in a relationship, and I can’t have that with someone who’s 7 hours away.

Well, maybe you want to date someone besides your gf someday, after the kids you hope to have are born and older. I don't see you being overly eager to consider an open relationship, whether the other person is long distance or around the corner.

And btw, please be aware that polyamory does not mean you and gf both date the same guy! That is a triad, and they are extremely difficult. Most poly couples date separately. Triads rarely last. Feelings are almost always unequal and things get ugly fast. You really need to do more research, hon. You don't even have the terminology down yet.

I don’t want to break up with my gf, but I also don’t want to stay in this, because the idea of my friend knowing what my gf looks like naked messes with my head so much.

It sounds like you and gf are on very thin ice! She is not being open and transparent with you. She is conflicted about her own desires, feeling like a "whore," and now she's going off after your long-distance friend, showing him naked pix or videos, when what you want is a mono marriage and kids! Can you not see you are on entirely different pages??

It's quite clear from here that while she was willing to fantasize with you (during NRE) about settling down and starting a family, this is actually not what she wants!
 
I wanted to add, since this other guy was your friend first, and you told him intimate details about your life, does he not know that you and gf were seriously considering staying mono, moving in together, getting engaged and married and starting a family?? What makes him okay with exchanging naked pix with your gf now? That's not cool of him.
 
I wanted to add, since this other guy was your friend first, and you told him intimate details about your life, does he not know that you and gf were seriously considering staying mono, moving in together, getting engaged and married and starting a family?? What makes him okay with exchanging naked pix with your gf now? That's not cool of him.
Riiiight, have you told either of them you're not cool with this, or are you bottling everything up?
 
I'm sorry this happened this way.

In your other post from Feb you said she wanted to open and you did not. The decent thing to do with that kind of incompatibility would have been for her to break up politely with you first, before moving on.

Your GF said she's emotionally monogamous and sexually poly. You didn't sound up for that in your other post. You sounded like you were thinking about exploring actual polyamory, but wanted to heal from past exes first so you weren't mixing up polyamory with cheating. So you were not ready to open yet.

It sounds like she didn't break up with you first. She just took up with your friend.

So idk how I should feel at all. I've always wanted to try a polycule, but I know I can’t because I'm a person who needs physical touch and quality time in a relationship, and I can’t have much of those with someone who’s 7 hours away. I don’t want to break up w my gf, but I also don’t want to stay in this, because the idea of my friend knowing what my gf looks like naked messes w my head so much.

Let's unpack that one thing at a time.

Are you thinking "trying a polycule" means all 3 people dating each other? Because polyamory just means each person can date more than one person, like another BF/GF/partner-type person. You could date a local partner and skip LDR stuff, because you know yourself and would not like an LDR. You want physical touch and quality time in person.

You sound like you are in anticipatory grief, like you kinda know you have to end it with this GF because you don't want to stay in this, but feel super sad about it, and super sad that she treated you poorly doing things this way. It is not loving behavior.

It's ok to feel sad and end it anyway.

If your friend and your GF know about your pain from past exes cheating, them taking up like this before you and GF updated your agreements is pretty much new cheating. That's not a great foundation to start from. It's not kind and not friendly.

As painful as it is to end it, I think it's the healthiest thing to do here. You’ve been together about 9 months. Usually that’s still the “on best behavior” phase. If this is what’s happening now, it’s worth paying attention to that.

Do the hard thing you were already thinking about doing in the other thread. Break up with GF and with the friend. Don't drag things out any more.

Basically my suggestion doesn't change much from your last post.

That doesn't change the disclosure part, though. It would have saved a lot of heartache to know from the start that your desires weren’t compatible, because she wants poly (amory or sexuality) and you don't.

Take what you can from this experience, and when you start dating again, be upfront about asking people what they’re looking for—ENM, polyamory, monogamy, or something else, so you don’t end up in the same situation.

So now that it's a few weeks later, end it as peacefully as possible under the circumstances with each of them. It can be a simple:
  • "GF, this doesn't work for me. I'm breaking up."
  • "Friend, this doesn't work for me. I'm breaking up."
That's short enough, polite enough, dignified enough, and gets you out fast. And then you mute/block them on all the things.

Whatever you think and feel in privacy of your own head is your business. You might have a lot of anger and upset to process. Take a time out to do your healing from past cheating exes, from this GF break-up, from the Friend break-up, and anything else that may need healing. If it's heavy on you, consider working with a counselor, if you can. Don't process with your STBX gf and STBX friend. Just be exes.

And when you're ready, date locally, since you prefer that. But don't keep going in this. You have to put your own well-being first.

If you want to explore actual polyamory later on, do it on your own terms, not like some GF dragging you along behind her, against your will. Poly under duress is not great. You have a voice. You have agency. It's okay to say "No, thank you. Not doing this like this."

I hope things get better for you.

Galagirl
 
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Hi iamv,

What happened to your original plan? Your girlfriend would move in with you, then you would propose, then you would look into sperm donors so she could bear a child. Are those plans still intact?

Would this guy consider moving to live much closer to you and your girlfriend? Does he know that the distance poses a problem for you? Does your girlfriend know that you are not okay with the current arrangement?

This looks like a real dilemma.
With sympathy,
Kevin T.
 
I haven’t updated because, well, me and her decided to break up. Well, she broke up with me. It hasn’t been great. Me and her had a conversation from 11pm-6am about the situation. (I should’ve handled this better. I know I should’ve.) Ultimately, she asked me if I was making her choose after I had explained that I'm not comfortable with the idea of my friend seeing my gf naked. (He hasn’t yet, but this will most likely happen.) I basically had her choose. She ultimately chose him. Her reasoning was as follows:

If she moves in with me, she gets a future, a job, a fresh start, kids, and a home. With him, she loses all of the above, but gains a more stable partner, because he’s been able to talk about things that I don’t have a connection with, because she recently was diagnosed with endometriosis, and he’s been diagnosed with a lot of other things, so they bond on that fact.

One thing she brought up was the fact that when me and her play video games I tend to get mad at her in the game, which is completely my fault and I own up to that.

Then with the relationship, there was already a strain with us being the couple that hurts each other.

Then she told me that the major reason as to why she ended up choosing him was because of how I handled the choosing thing. She said that it felt like I backed her into a corner. She told me it felt like I was standing over her, screaming at her to choose, which was not at all my intention.

I never meant to hurt her. I just don’t know if how I reacted was right, or if I'm in the wrong, because I've had mixed reactions to it so far. My dad said it was reasonable, and some of my friends said that it was reasonable, as well as I overreacted. So I don't know what I should be feeling. I want my girlfriend back, but she said that she doesn’t know if there will be a chance because of how badly I fucked her up with what I did. She said she doesn’t know if she’ll ever trust me like again, after what I did.
 
Shortly after I made the initial post was when she broke up with me. We broke up around 6:15am, and 3 hours later, she told me, "I can’t choose, so that means him,” because she’s right, if she ultimately truly wanted to choose me, she would’ve chosen me in a heartbeat, but since all the hesitation happened, she chose him.
 
She gets a future, period. She doesn't lose that from breaking up with you.

Ultimately, she chose herself, not him.

Good on her.
 
I think it’s okay to leave the breakup as it is. It wasn’t a graceful ending, but now that it’s done, it should stay done.

You two don’t really get along and aren’t compatible. The stuff about bonding over medical issues or video game habits isn’t the real issue. Trust was already broken before the “choose me or him” conversation ever even happened.

Bottom line: she wanted an open relationship, and you did not. That’s a major incompatibility. The respectful thing would’ve been for her to break up with you first before moving on. Instead, she got involved with your friend and stepped outside the shared agreements.

I understand you’re sad and grieving. Breakup grief comes in stages, and not always in order. You might feel some emotions more than once. It’s okay to just be in that grieving space right now and give yourself time to process everything.



Block both of them and create some distance. Don’t get back together with either one. The relationship with her has already been rocky for months, and your mind and body need a break from the stress.

Focus on calming things and taking care of yourself over the next few weeks. Healing will take time, but taking some space will help a lot. Lean on trusted people in your life -- ask to be aired out, distractions like taking a walk or watching a movie. For the ones who are good at listening? You can process your story and your grief with them.

It's ok to miss her, but that doesn't mean you get back together. It doesn't mean you are compatible with each other. Be ok being a grieving person right now.

I hope things get better for you over time.

Galagirl
 
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It’s just hard because this is my first relationship that’s been this in depth. She met my family, she loved my family. We were planning on moving in together. I’ve never done that with anyone. I’ve just done a lot w her that I’ve never done, which is why this hurts so much. But idk if I reacted right or if I was in the wrong.
 
Of course it is hard.

First break-ups are like double load. It's not just breaking up with the person. It's dealing with a break-up for the first time ever. You don't even know how to take care of yourself, the things you like to have that comfort you, how long each stage of grief usually lasts for you... All these things come from lived experience. If it's your first break-up ever, you don't have the experience yet. It can be rough.

I like going into "low power mode." I get some frozen meals, cereal, sandwiches, canned soup, so I don't have to cook or clean up too much. I like watching my TV shows, listening to music, reading my comforting fiction books, having a weighted blanket, my journal, extra rest/naps. Yoga and walks instead of tougher workouts. Maybe even go get a massage.

Some of my friends are great for the "deep talks," and I call them up to set up times to talk. I ask them to bring me lunch. Other friends are terrible at that, but good for distractions, so I set up video games, walks, movies, coffee dates with them.

I'm a lot older, so I know the things I like when I'm in grief mode. I also know from lived experience-- "I did it before, I can get through it again." You don't know that yet. It's ok.

But idk if I reacted right or if I was in the wrong.

To me, it sounds like you were full. 7 hours of conversation is too long for a break-up convo. It sounds like both of you got emotionally flooded from the overwhelm.

I'm not even sure if she apologized for cheating on agreements, and taking up with your friend, when you were clear that you did not want an open relationship. Some of this other stuff with the medical bonding and video games just sounds like deflection, not really wanting to own it, trying to flip it around on you, like you are the baddie. Really, nobody has to be the baddie. This simply was not compatible, and if both are relatively young and new to relationships, it's messy, like young adult relationships tend to be.

Give both of you some grace for being less than perfect at this and let it be over.

I don't know if this helps you any.

You might think about Heather Corinna's book too. Anyone of dating age could read it.

Galagirl
 
But idk if I reacted right or if I was in the wrong.
Please don't overthink the explanations she gave you. They sound like rationalizations. You probably couldn't have done anything to change her decision, it was a question of time.
 
You're gonna be okay. She was just a learning curve for you. You're going to take those learnings into your next relationship.

You can still have all the things you want in life, you'll just find someone more compatible to have them with. In the meantime, be kind to yourself recognising that people come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. She sounds like a reason, a chance to learn what your core values are and that you are not someone who is ready for non-monogamy. That's okay, you don't have to be non-monogamous to find an awesome person that will suit you for your next relationship. Feel your feels now but don't wallow in them. Keep your head up and your eyes open for the person who will be next.
 
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